Calling Elitists Out

idk

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

It seems to be a little bit of elitism to put down others and pat yourself on the back for your 50k dps.

Not putting them down for their numbers, only their attitude towards doing things differently for the same result

and you are being elitist about it. You do not see top players calling out other top players like this. Alcast certainly does not pat himself on the back either..

Actually I see "top" players that are great and cool/respectful such as Alcast and others, but I also see "top" players who are rude and overly elitist shouting useless rude comments in chat and on the forums.

Those that are top players, it is very rare they call out others in the forums because they got into a disagreement with someone as this thread seems to be. Top players generally let the results speak for themselves. They are also more likely to help someone else out than create a thread like this.

Tell that to the people in my DMs

Your dungeon masters? I assume raid leaders is what you mean and that would be a guild issue. A good raid leader does not care about your build, only results.

No people who I personally run with are good people. I also lead raids once a week.

Then the idea of this thread makes even less sense.

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

I'm sorry but your cookie cutter builds aren't impressive. So don't talk elitism to me when half of you have no idea "why" the cookie cutter builds work in the first place. Yes, non-meta builds can hit just as high numbers and in some cases higher, so quit quoting Alcast like he's the one true god of DPS and act like a respectable human being for once. Open minds are richer and have more fun!

~ Signed,
My dps is the same 50k as yours with non-meta

[Alcast has good builds, they are a great base to build on. However, they are not the end all one true build answers.]

ESO is all about numbers, I'm curious how you come to the conclusion that a lesser build will perform better in "some cases" because it doesn't work like that lol.

A lesser build that does the same damage? I'm sorry I didn't know Relequen made you a tank also?

And we take another step back with this post.

DMs and some comments, getting irritating. And as I've said before somewhere gear isn't a replacement for skill and general understanding of how not to die in trials.

I think any skilled player knows gear is secondary. However, they also know it all comes down to math so once a player has the skill gear begins to matter.

But that is not what I called you out about. The OP is purely elitsts. You are calling yourself out as a good player because you got your feelings hurt via some direct messages from people who probably do not really matter to you.

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

I'm sorry but your cookie cutter builds aren't impressive. So don't talk elitism to me when half of you have no idea "why" the cookie cutter builds work in the first place. Yes, non-meta builds can hit just as high numbers and in some cases higher, so quit quoting Alcast like he's the one true god of DPS and act like a respectable human being for once. Open minds are richer and have more fun!

~ Signed,
My dps is the same 50k as yours with non-meta

[Alcast has good builds, they are a great base to build on. However, they are not the end all one true build answers.]

ESO is all about numbers, I'm curious how you come to the conclusion that a lesser build will perform better in "some cases" because it doesn't work like that lol.

A lesser build that does the same damage? I'm sorry I didn't know Relequen made you a tank also?

Then you follow it up with such odd comments like this. Certainly does not answer the question or deal with the solid point Nifty made that this game is about numbers. It is all about math.

Again, go watch Xynode Gaming 's Infused StamDK build and compare it to Alcast. All the evidence I really need. Also StamDK isn't my forte, though I'm very close to meta numbers. But I can show you later my parses

No offense but you are calling out others and saying you are that good so it is not really relevant what is on Alcasts page and the pages of others. More so since Alcast does not post his best parses on the site because it is not needed.

For someone that said this is not about Alcast it sure does seem to be.

Stania

Elitism is feeling superior to other players and putting them down for their achievements and numbers reached on the game.

Chicharron

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

I'm sorry but your cookie cutter builds aren't impressive. So don't talk elitism to me when half of you have no idea "why" the cookie cutter builds work in the first place. Yes, non-meta builds can hit just as high numbers and in some cases higher, so quit quoting Alcast like he's the one true god of DPS and act like a respectable human being for once. Open minds are richer and have more fun!

~ Signed,
My dps is the same 50k as yours with non-meta

[Alcast has good builds, they are a great base to build on. However, they are not the end all one true build answers.]

And what is your point?

People can do what they want with their characters and if they decide to follow Alcast and venerate him as their god, so be it.

Every now and then someone asks me:

Your healer is very good, what guide of Alcast do you use?

...

It seems that tolerance is not one of your virtues.

All keyboard warriors are like that.

The_Sadist

Reading through this thread it seems like the OP is sprouting a bit of nonsense, as they're actively refusing to post evidence of their non-meta-amazing-DPS builds.
I'm by no means an amazing player, but if I'm PUGing and a DPS is using heavy armour with light resto staff attacks and they complain about me being elite when I call them out on it, I'm happy to just dip and be called toxic.
Play how you want outside of group content.

mairwen85

qbit wrote: »

I only have 17k sustained dps at cp 420 using Alcast’s magsorc build. Your 50k dps comment comes off as quite elitis in itself. You’re a hipster. A protohipster.

Your 17k has nothing to do with gear or build, meta or otherwise. It has more to do with timing and understanding why suggested rotations have all that pesky bar swapping mainly, alcast(for example) sets his bars up with the skills in a sawtooth layout, bar swapping after each to cancel the animation and prevent it overrunning the second. You fire light attacks before each skill, even though they actually work in the remainder of the gcd after skill is triggered, because this staggered rhythm is easier to catch than skill > light attack. So what actually hits the dummy is skill (anim cancel by swap) > light attack. But you execute it light attack > skill > swap which feels more natural and sets you up nicely to repeat. Just getting that rhythm and knowing the why of it will massively improve that 17k.

Tasear

There is definitely issue in game that does exist. Players come to ESO for freedom but other players come and try restrict which leads to a vicious cycle of fighting between each other. I see a thread like this at least once year. At the end of the day though we most all remember it's a game that we all can enjoy in different ways.

GeneralSezme

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

I'm sorry but your cookie cutter builds aren't impressive. So don't talk elitism to me when half of you have no idea "why" the cookie cutter builds work in the first place. Yes, non-meta builds can hit just as high numbers and in some cases higher, so quit quoting Alcast like he's the one true god of DPS and act like a respectable human being for once. Open minds are richer and have more fun!

~ Signed,
My dps is the same 50k as yours with non-meta

[Alcast has good builds, they are a great base to build on. However, they are not the end all one true build answers.]

ESO is all about numbers, I'm curious how you come to the conclusion that a lesser build will perform better in "some cases" because it doesn't work like that lol.

25-17=8


Right?

Is this how you get emp or silver skin?

XiDiabolismiX

Solo parses show your capability of holding a rotation.... Unless you add orbs and stuff to sustain on a 6 mill, solo parses are irrelevant when it comes to true end game trial potential. Most of the sets that are meta (in regards to trials) are sets that accentuate and thrive off of group buffs and debuffs.

I’m sure you can “HiT 50k iN nUn-meta gErR”, but how is your raid dps? You probably hit like a potato, and unless you’re on pc, you won’t know you’re dps in raid.

I’ve been a victim of swapping from console to pc thinking I was king tut in raid, only to find out it was garbage because my ToT (time on target) and other variables were off.

Tldr: There’s a reason meta gear is meta...

enzoisadog

GeneralSezme wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

I'm sorry but your cookie cutter builds aren't impressive. So don't talk elitism to me when half of you have no idea "why" the cookie cutter builds work in the first place. Yes, non-meta builds can hit just as high numbers and in some cases higher, so quit quoting Alcast like he's the one true god of DPS and act like a respectable human being for once. Open minds are richer and have more fun!

~ Signed,
My dps is the same 50k as yours with non-meta

[Alcast has good builds, they are a great base to build on. However, they are not the end all one true build answers.]

ESO is all about numbers, I'm curious how you come to the conclusion that a lesser build will perform better in "some cases" because it doesn't work like that lol.

25-17=8


Right?

Is this how you get emp or silver skin?

ladies and gentlemen we got him

Valrien

OP is so obvious that I'm surprised so many took the bait

Valrien

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

ccmedaddy wrote: »

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

Odovacar wrote: »

My question isn't meant to call you out, but after reading through this thread I'm genuinely curious what your running & hitting 50k consistently with sub-optimal gear that's all.

Some examples include Unfathomable + Defiler, Defiler + Hundings, Unfathomable + Hundings, Red Mountain + Hundings, a few different combos of those and even swerving into Swamp Raider and Vipers on some tests.

.... literally every single set you listed here is mathematically inferior to the meta sets. Like, if you're doing 50k dps solo with these sets (which I doubt) you'll be doing a lot more than 50k with an alcast build.

What a dumb thread.

What I didn't include was CP, skills, passives, monster set, or even Mundus. Those i'd have to actually look at my stuff to remember. But its only mathematically inferior if you are using the meta for cp, skills, etc. And yes, the "meta" might be capable of 60k territory but I don't think people's fingers move fast enough for that kind of intense rotationing.

This whole post is objectively wrong to the point of being overt bait

Tan9oSuccka

Acrolas wrote: »

*teleports group to Stonefalls*
/sassydance

You better work work work.

carlos424

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

It seems to be a little bit of elitism to put down others and pat yourself on the back for your 50k dps.

Not putting them down for their numbers, only their attitude towards doing things differently for the same result

and you are being elitist about it. You do not see top players calling out other top players like this. Alcast certainly does not pat himself on the back either..

Actually I see "top" players that are great and cool/respectful such as Alcast and others, but I also see "top" players who are rude and overly elitist shouting useless rude comments in chat and on the forums.

Those that are top players, it is very rare they call out others in the forums because they got into a disagreement with someone as this thread seems to be. Top players generally let the results speak for themselves. They are also more likely to help someone else out than create a thread like this.

Tell that to the people in my DMs

Your dungeon masters? I assume raid leaders is what you mean and that would be a guild issue. A good raid leader does not care about your build, only results.

No people who I personally run with are good people. I also lead raids once a week.

Then the idea of this thread makes even less sense.

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

I'm sorry but your cookie cutter builds aren't impressive. So don't talk elitism to me when half of you have no idea "why" the cookie cutter builds work in the first place. Yes, non-meta builds can hit just as high numbers and in some cases higher, so quit quoting Alcast like he's the one true god of DPS and act like a respectable human being for once. Open minds are richer and have more fun!

~ Signed,
My dps is the same 50k as yours with non-meta

[Alcast has good builds, they are a great base to build on. However, they are not the end all one true build answers.]

ESO is all about numbers, I'm curious how you come to the conclusion that a lesser build will perform better in "some cases" because it doesn't work like that lol.

A lesser build that does the same damage? I'm sorry I didn't know Relequen made you a tank also?

And we take another step back with this post.

DMs and some comments, getting irritating. And as I've said before somewhere gear isn't a replacement for skill and general understanding of how not to die in trials.

The thing is this, and there really is no getting around it. Once you get really, really good, the difference comes down to the gear. There is just some gear that is mathematically better than others. That's not to say that there are not combinations that perform well together, but if your'e going for absolute max stats, there are some sets that are mathematically superior.

Liofa

I'm very disappointed by the amount of people who took this thread seriously ^^

Nifty2g

Liofa wrote: »

I'm very disappointed by the amount of people who took this thread seriously ^^

feels bad

Juhasow

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

I'm sorry but your cookie cutter builds aren't impressive. So don't talk elitism to me when half of you have no idea "why" the cookie cutter builds work in the first place. Yes, non-meta builds can hit just as high numbers and in some cases higher, so quit quoting Alcast like he's the one true god of DPS and act like a respectable human being for once. Open minds are richer and have more fun!

~ Signed,
My dps is the same 50k as yours with non-meta

[Alcast has good builds, they are a great base to build on. However, they are not the end all one true build answers.]

Meta setup with 88k DPS from light attack spam laughs at Your 50k. Like seriously 50k ? What is it early 2017 ?

Veinblood1965

Is there an elitist Motif? Maybe has 50k emblazoned on the chest piece?

Ackwalan

Nothing pulls the pixel ego out faster then a name drop followed by a DPS number.

Veinblood1965

I've been playing Morphs so long I've got underwear older than most of you, there were elitists from the first day a mob dropped an item. Well crap I forget my train of thought now, time to go find some elitist depends.....

disintegr8

Got better things to do than stand in front of a test dummy that doesn't fight back....

MaxwellC

@dovakiin5574
I'm Elitist God mode 360 no scope reverse 720 so... umm bow down to me bro.

rexagamemnon

The highest ive ever gotten to is 23k, can someone tell me what i am missing that has me not hitting 50k?

Androconium

I don't know what meta means in this context.

I don't know how to measure dps.

Does a build include traits, mundus, cp settings and abilities?

Not convinced that any two players will get that the same randomly.

Hate away.

Stebarnz

I'm the best at pressing buttons in a specific order repeatedly.

pod88kk

Self praise is no praise

russelmmendoza

Play your game. Have fun.
Talk about being better.
Your an elitist.
Nuff said.

adeptusminor

If you hit over 25k you are an elitist. If your uptimes are 50%+ you are an elitist. If you have completed vet trials you are an elitist. If you pvp you are an elitist. If you log in the game more than me you are an elitist. If you are better than me you are an elitist.

Hamrb

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

I'm sorry but your cookie cutter builds aren't impressive. So don't talk elitism to me when half of you have no idea "why" the cookie cutter builds work in the first place. Yes, non-meta builds can hit just as high numbers and in some cases higher, so quit quoting Alcast like he's the one true god of DPS and act like a respectable human being for once. Open minds are richer and have more fun!

~ Signed,
My dps is the same 50k as yours with non-meta

[Alcast has good builds, they are a great base to build on. However, they are not the end all one true build answers.]

You hit 50k on your build buffed in a group. *shrugs*
Go do that on a 6 million dummy self buffed.

Oh. You can’t? I guess people like alcast have more knowledge of the game than you.

Sure . Put down elitists, but don’t act like you know more than the people who make a living off of playing eso. That’s just ignorant

Cpt_Teemo

Ackwalan wrote: »

Nothing pulls the pixel ego out faster then a name drop followed by a DPS number.

Bust a deal and face the wheel

kronoso1979b14_ESO

kypranb14_ESO wrote: »

I enjoy my build and play style regardless of what the meta is. I may not hit the numbers that others hit, and I may not be a PVP god, but I have fun. That's all that matters to me.

That’s what this game is all about. Having fun.