These crown crates.. I feel like..

iiYuki

Crown crates are a scam, the apex have less than a 2% drop chance and the ultra rares have less than 0.1% drop chance. Either be prepared to spend thousands gambling to a company that clearly doesn't reinvest its profits or just buy one from the store and stick to that, they all do the same thing and its not like you can even earn mounts in this game to show off.

menathradiel

kojou wrote: »

The house always wins...

As someone who once worked in the counting room of a casino, I can attest to this truth. It's the reason why I never gamble. And at least casinos and arcades are regulated - crown crates... they can have any odds they like and they don't even have to tell you what they are. Any game's "loot boxes" always make me think of "mystery box" games, where you know it's gonna be filled with trash but somehow convince yourself there might be something really good inside because Mavis just won a bottle of whisky.

GreenhaloX

Tabbycat wrote: »

That is a lot of money to spend on gamble crates. I wish I had your disposable income, OP.

Well.. after getting rid of the ex a while back, I became a little bit richer every year thereafter. Plus, even growing back some hair too. Ha ha

Jamdarius

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Before you call me an idiot and stick a kick me sign on my back.. I know, I know, but I really would like to get at least one, or two, of the Radiant Apex Award mounts from these current Scalecaller crates. That Galvanic Storm Steed, Dragonfire wolf and Shadow-Rider Senche look so cool. After 60 crates, not one ffing Radiant Apex reward. Only got one damn mount from the Apex reward; rest are all crap potions, poisons, scrolls and shitt repeatedly. WTF.. 60 ffing crates/ 20k crowns wasted. You would think we would have received at least 1 or 2 from the Radiant Apex and a few from the Apex; mounts specifically. I feel like (if I could) shove all these crates up somebody's arse over there in the Zen and ZOS land. Damn, this shitt needs rework and improved bad. . Had a thumb back up for the recent fix to the 2H reticle issue. Now this.. thumb is back down. Goodness..

Heck I managed to get Gold card reward from free crates, imagine my happiness I was like OMG LOL i am so lucky :D


Than I revealed the card to be grand exp scroll... Such pure troll thing to place it there... Oh well had 33 crown gems for it but that happiness I initially had and letdown later were awful.

rez0055

I never buy any more crates, i've done it in the past way too much. And afterwards I got a bad feeling in the stomach. Nowadays I simply save up the crowns I get from subbing. But I hate the fact that every cool item or mount is only achievable by purchasing crown crates. Why can't they just simply put a radiant mount for xxxx crowns every now and then in the crown store is beyond me.
But what the hell am I saying, why should I even still care for the game? They don't have a clue how to fix PVP but also PVE. Hah, what a joke.

vamp_emily

MajBludd wrote: »

@vamp_emily exactly. They lost a sale because you couldn't buy it using crowns.

Also, hello, Em. Did you unblock me yet, lol

You are still on block for disagreeing with me.

JaZ2091

Hippie4927 wrote: »

Sorry for your bad luck, OP.

Tonight I bought only 15 crates and to my surprise.........







I have wanted that mount ever since I first saw it but wasn't willing to spend much trying to get it. Usually RNG hates me but tonight I got lucky.

I pulled mine from 15 as well when they first released. I dont expect to see another drop like that tbh.

CalmZeus

My friend opened 6 crates this week 2 Twitch 2 form daily and bought some from crown store.
He's got mount from Twitch crate
Fire wolf thing from daily crates and that blue lantern horse. His luck has been real good.
3 Radiant Apex Mounts from 6 crates 🤔

Hippie4927

Mureel wrote: »

AWWW you deserve it though Hippie! You're always the coolest to people!

Awww! Thank you!

Perwulf wrote: »

Noticed that most of the people with radiant apex are top players? Coincidence?

Coding in this game is bonkers let alone have them make a purest form of RNG that is equivalence to real luck. There would obviously be biased and favoritism within this system.

I am far from a top player! I'm not a streamer; I'm not on Twitch or Facebook or any of that; Zeni doesn't know who I am.

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

Hippie4927 wrote: »

Sorry for your bad luck, OP.

Tonight I bought only 15 crates and to my surprise.........







I have wanted that mount ever since I first saw it but wasn't willing to spend much trying to get it. Usually RNG hates me but tonight I got lucky.

AWWW you deserve it though Hippie! You're always the coolest to people!

Yeah.. oooh, sooo sweet. Good for you. @Hippie4927.

But, tell me.. how did you hacked it..? That's just awesome from one set of crown crates. Yup, somebody likes you.. ha ha

LOL! No hacking! I wasn't even thinking about that mount. I bought the crates hoping to get a couple of motif books that I needed and maybe a couple of other cool things. I was shocked when that mount came up.

MajBludd

@vamp_emily lmao, fair enough

Wildberryjack

Crown crates may go the way of the dinosaur and all of this stuff will end up for straight sale in the Crown Store if the FTC decides that "loot boxes" are gambling and have to be removed from games. And it's looking like that is exactly what they are going to do.

I really have no idea how that will affect Crown item sales overall, but for me I'd buy more because I won't buy Crates anymore due to not being willing to spend cash and run the risk of getting nothing that I want or can use. That's money wasted and I make so little usually that I can't afford to flush cash down the toilet. If I could buy those mounts, costumes, toys, etc outright I'd be all over it when my finances permit. But the Crates, nope nope nope.

lagrue

Epona222 wrote: »

People *could* actually stop buying into this nonsense and stop buying the crates... if they didn't sell and make money for Zeni, they wouldn't do it.

Well people like me aren't going to stop buying them so dream on, not all of us are frothing at the mouth about it. I tend to buy 45 crates every single season and only one season ever did I not get an Apex mount.

Crown Crates are incredibly value for their cost and most people don't consider that. How many non-apex mounts, do you think OP got? I'm willing to be ~3-5 since that's about average for his amount... how many of those would have sold 2-3000 each? Then consider all the other rewards.

People can cry all they want about RNG, but Crown Crates ALWAYS pay out more than their own value per crate, this is undeniable mathematical fact.

Thus I will not stop buying crates, you can't make me, and you can make these choices on your own. OP knew there was a high chance they wouldn't get what they want - they proceeded anyway.

Vapirko

There are tons of threads exactly like this one, why would you think you’re different? This is why ZOS won’t fix anything. $150 for nothing, this is why people who sub barely matter to them

Arthg

lagrue wrote: »

(...) Crown Crates ALWAYS pay out more than their own value per crate, this is undeniable mathematical fact.

In no way is your statement even remotely a "mathematical fact".

What you're merely saying is that mounts that YOU'd be ready to pay 2-3K crowns for end up costing you less in crown crates.
All of this depends on the subjective price you're ready to pay - and that's not even including the odds of getting the precise mount you want.

But that's not all.

Let's say your assumption about the OP getting 5 non-apex mounts for his 60 crates is correct.
Let's say you're ready to pay 2K for each mount, and you want them all.
That's 10K crowns for a guaranteed purchase.

With your "technique", you end up spending 20K crowns - and the odds you won't get all the mounts still exist.

Don't be a sucker.

Don't effing gamble.

DaveMoeDee

I don't get why the OP would expect to get one of those mounts. People have tracked crate opening and the drop rate is horrible.

Don't play a lottery without checking the odds first.

DaveMoeDee

AlienSlof wrote: »

The daftest thing of all is: if the mount in question was sold directly at 4k or more crowns, you'd complain and say that's too much for one mount, yet people throw money at these silly crates without even considering how much they're spending - and either don't get the mount they really want, or it cost them many times more than the most expensive direct purchase mount.

Makes no sense to me.

The person buying 20k crowns worth of crates probably won't complain about a 4k mount (though radiant apex would cost a lot more than that).

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

Never, ever try and get a radiant apex mount. Just don't. Pretend they don't even exist.

I don't particularly like it, but I do buy some crates from time to time (not excessively so), and I like getting the odd hats, costumes, pets and such from them. I find that I usually have enough gems to buy the few items I like, and some times even enough gems to buy one of the normal apex mounts, which is fine.

But anything that cannot be bought for gems, like the radiant apex mounts? Never, ever try and go for them. If you get one, fine, be happy, but don't go into it expecting or even hoping to find one. You might as well just hand over your wallet to ZOS right away. The odds are out there, and the odds are terrible.

Personally I have gotten 2 radiant apex mounts, which I guess is kind of lucky considering the small amount of crates I have bought, but I have never specifically tried to get one of them (and I don't particularly like any of them either). Unfortunately, you throwing away that kind of money, and I know others do as well, just exacerbates the issue, and teaches them that this is a viable monetizing strategy.

Good thing about us humans.. we tend to learn from our mistakes; at least, us sane people. Try something first, and it's not so pleasing, then won't do that again.

I like learning through analysis before leaping in. Learning from other people's mistakes is also good.

thanoscopter

If they sold mounts like Shadow Rider Senche for 4k crowns they would become super common and no one would want them enough to pay hundreds of dollars for a chance to get. If you are Zeni, are you going to sell something for 20-30 dollars and lose all future business from that person or let people gamble hundreds of dollars at a time and potential comeback for more purchases.

Some people can't stop themselves and keep going for crates and although you get buyer's remorse, it isn't exactly a house purchase either. I'm sure buying a house then regretting it is much more stressful than buying some crates on a video game. You either make an educated choice, review the odds and keep buying/gambling or walk away with what you got.

Acrolas

I feel this thread is offering evidence that odds can be just as misleading if you don't understand them. There's no such thing as a cumulative expectation like your grade school coin or marble stat lessons taught you. For odds to have predictable expectations, the number of possible results must be finite enough to have meaning.

Crates offer a lot of possible results. So the only expectation they give you is that the outcome exceeds a crown store value of 400 crowns. Perhaps what needs to be posted is the valuation in crowns of each reward to shut down the argument that people are only receiving garbage, as terms like that are being used to imply that you're not getting at least 400 crowns worth of returns.

And for the nth time, if you feel a crate legitimately does not meet or exceed a crown store value of 400 crowns, screenshot it and open a support ticket. Shortchanges would be probably as rare as a radiant, but they could happen randomly. But you'd need to back it with evidence from the store. Saying that a mimic stone is like 2 crowns and a soul gem is like 1 crown and an adornment is like 5 crowns won't cut it.

But unlike the lottery, where I already know I won't win because of the massive number of tickets I would need to purchase to slightly skew a favorable result to my favor, with the crates I'm enjoying every reward tier. How many crowns you spend should ideally be proportional to how you like the Superior tier of items. When I'm done with the Superior tier I'm pretty much done with the season. I'm not trying to complete everything, I'm never going to have an Apex, and I've never felt ripped off because I actually use all this stuff. Except the nasal rods, which feel more permanent and life-changing than the collections tab suggests they would be.

Maybe somebody might suggest that the issue isn't the loot box system, but rather the unrealistic approach some people take to them. I actually kind of hope the FTC recommendation is to create loot boxes with higher values so that you can pay for the reward tier you're actually aiming for. And then we'll watch that fail miserably because complaining about not getting what you want probably just feels better than paying 4000 crowns for an Apex Box that you'll be bored with 5 minutes later when nobody cares.

lagrue

Arthg wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

(...) Crown Crates ALWAYS pay out more than their own value per crate, this is undeniable mathematical fact.

In no way is your statement even remotely a "mathematical fact"

Let's say your assumption about the OP getting 5 non-apex mounts for his 60 crates is correct.
Let's say you're ready to pay 2K for each mount, and you want them all.
That's 10K crowns for a guaranteed purchase.

With your "technique", you end up spending 20K crowns - and the odds you won't get all the mounts still exist.

Actually yes it is and it has been proven time and time again. One crate is valued 400 crowns and will always pay out items worth more than 400 crowns - that includes the foods, potions, poisons and other junk tier items we get. These things are all sold for direct purchase as well and you could easily sort through some math and be shocked. Why do you think they ensure that 3/4 of those items are consumables? Whether you like or want the consumables, the 3 you get everytime ensure the value will always end being over 400. That is a mathematical fact.

What you fail to account for your in your little example is that along with those 5 non-apex mounts he also got a craptonne of other stuff, even if it isn't what he wanted. That other stuff significantly increases the value of crates.

The only sucker here is the person who goes into Crown Crates looking for 1 specific item and doesn't understand their inherent value goes beyond whatever single thing they want.

lagrue

Acrolas wrote: »

Crates offer a lot of possible results. So the only expectation they give you is that the outcome exceeds a crown store value of 400 crowns.

That's the only expectation anybody should have, period. Expecting specific items and odds is beyond silly. You choose to buy a 400 crate knowing you will get 400 value back, plain and simple.

Angtynur

I never bought crates, I only get those from the daily rewards and I all get are potions and face tattoos. Then you can extract the items you don't want to earn 2 gems.

Dawnblade

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Before you call me an idiot and stick a kick me sign on my back.. I know, I know, but I really would like to get at least one, or two, of the Radiant Apex Award mounts from these current Scalecaller crates. That Galvanic Storm Steed, Dragonfire wolf and Shadow-Rider Senche look so cool. After 60 crates, not one ffing Radiant Apex reward. Only got one damn mount from the Apex reward; rest are all crap potions, poisons, scrolls and shitt repeatedly. WTF.. 60 ffing crates/ 20k crowns wasted. You would think we would have received at least 1 or 2 from the Radiant Apex and a few from the Apex; mounts specifically. I feel like (if I could) shove all these crates up somebody's arse over there in the Zen and ZOS land. Damn, this shitt needs rework and improved bad. . Had a thumb back up for the recent fix to the 2H reticle issue. Now this.. thumb is back down. Goodness..

If you don't like the odds - don't buy them.

I mean its not rocket science - they are going to 'pay out' as little as possible in order to maximize the amount of money they can get from players willing to gamble on the chance at getting something desirable.

Unless people stop buying them - they aren't going to change (and I don't see any real threats to gamble box model here in the US near term from regulators - regardless of the click-bait headlines posted on gaming forums the past week based on an offhand remark of an FTC regulator appearing before congress).

Girl_Number8

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Before you call me an idiot and stick a kick me sign on my back.. I know, I know, but I really would like to get at least one, or two, of the Radiant Apex Award mounts from these current Scalecaller crates. That Galvanic Storm Steed, Dragonfire wolf and Shadow-Rider Senche look so cool. After 60 crates, not one ffing Radiant Apex reward. Only got one damn mount from the Apex reward; rest are all crap potions, poisons, scrolls and shitt repeatedly. WTF.. 60 ffing crates/ 20k crowns wasted. You would think we would have received at least 1 or 2 from the Radiant Apex and a few from the Apex; mounts specifically. I feel like (if I could) shove all these crates up somebody's arse over there in the Zen and ZOS land. Damn, this shitt needs rework and improved bad. . Had a thumb back up for the recent fix to the 2H reticle issue. Now this.. thumb is back down. Goodness..

By what you spent the crates are working as intended....Just like those shifty carnival games showing you all the shiny brand new cars you can win. Wait, sorry I meant the casinos^^

Unit117

This is why crates, lootboxes and gachas should be banned from gaming.

GreenhaloX

Well, I did see a couple Shadow-rider Senche rolling around. Ehh, I still hate you, Zenimax, and you too ZOS (except Gina..You can't hate Gina.)

Ratzkifal

GUYS I JUST GOT A RADIANT APEX MOUNT!!!!11eleven!! BELIEVE ME IT WORKS. YOU JUST GOT UNLUCKY, BUT THE LOSING STREAK GOTTA END AT SOME POINT SO KEEP BUYINGGGGGGG!

Finviuswe

Just go buy more

That will solve your problem.

Jimmy

The Shadow-Rider Senche mount is the mount that ALMOST made me quit ESO. I was hanging on a very small thread after all the money I dumped into Crown Crates for that mount. The only mount I ever truly ever wanted. After opening some 40,000 crowns worth of crates and not receiving ONE Radiant Apex, I stopped and walked away from the game for a while contemplating wtf is ZOS doing to me, forcing me to buy gamble crates to get a cosmetic item I want to have.

Eventually I came back, but if it almost cost me everything.

Reverb

Zeni gave a cost free alternative, but it requires a time commitment. Watch ESO Twitch streams, get crates, get garbage consumables and exchange them for gems, use gems to buy Apex Mount. Leave the stream on your device laying somewhere while you get things done around d the house, or run errands, or whatever. Do this a few times a week and you'll have more than enough gems to buy the mounts.

Hoolielulu

Reverb wrote: »

Zeni gave a cost free alternative, but it requires a time commitment. Watch ESO Twitch streams, get crates, get garbage consumables and exchange them for gems, use gems to buy Apex Mount. Leave the stream on your device laying somewhere while you get things done around d the house, or run errands, or whatever. Do this a few times a week and you'll have more than enough gems to buy the mounts.

Except for those of us on console, you mean.