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Major Exploit: Undaunted Daily Randoms

  • Ackwalan
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    ZOS will patch this "exploit" long before they fix the queue issue.
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    Ramber wrote: »
    What, Ertosi, makes you this this isnt working as designed? One could argue both sides but your passion on the subject is a little over dramatic.

    The finder simply finds a dungeon then passes off to a completion or non completion of A dungeon not THE dungeon. That is a very specific programming choice. or to put it another way, the system is currently working as it is designed. If they wanted to attach us to a specific dungeon (for the 15 minute timer) come what may (bugged content, bad dps where u go nowhere, tanks that aren't tanks, healers that aren't healers, etc..) they easily could by altering the same line of code that allows it.

    Possibly. Or, maybe the developer made incomplete assumptions about how people would be using the DF? Exploits are often places where the developer did not correctly anticipate how something would be used.



  • Hippie4927
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    I thought the reason for doing this wasn't just to choose which random you run but to kill two birds with one stone, so to speak.

    Is it an exploit or does ZOS not care if people do that?
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  • yodased
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    @hippie4927 as i've been explained to, during this event it is used to circumvent the assigned random dungeon so a different one which is the easiest to clear (literally takes 4minutes with a solid group) can be done.

    The reasoning provided to me was that with 15 characters, zoning into even normal moonhunter or scalecaller would take 30m or more, sometimes with the wrong group not even able to be done, so the rationalization is do the one that can be done by anyone, soloed by any competent player and get 15 reward box chances.

    I'm not saying its right or wrong, or even that I fully understand the motivations of either side, just trying to keep an open discussion and not attack anyone
    Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.
  • Hippie4927
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    yodased wrote: »
    @hippie4927 as i've been explained to, during this event it is used to circumvent the assigned random dungeon so a different one which is the easiest to clear (literally takes 4minutes with a solid group) can be done.

    The reasoning provided to me was that with 15 characters, zoning into even normal moonhunter or scalecaller would take 30m or more, sometimes with the wrong group not even able to be done, so the rationalization is do the one that can be done by anyone, soloed by any competent player and get 15 reward box chances.

    I'm not saying its right or wrong, or even that I fully understand the motivations of either side, just trying to keep an open discussion and not attack anyone

    I get that but I heard there was another reason for doing it. I wouldn't know! o:)
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  • MasterSpatula
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    yodased wrote: »
    No one has answered the simple question of why they care what dungeon other people do to get the same exact reward they would have gotten within the rolled dungeon.

    Are you angry because you feel a rule is being broken?

    Do you feel slighted because people are being dishonorable and should die on the sword dealt to them?

    Is it some kind of social justice to keep people honest?

    Again, this doesn't matter to me, I would do vet fanglair and scalecaller if that is what the event called for. I have 0 issues clearing any 4 man content in this game on multiple roles, but I don't care what dungeon other people are running to get the same thing I am getting.

    It just seems so petty and trivial compared to the actual larger problems, i.e. not being able to do a dungeon at all.

    Hypothetical:

    I need to do Moon Hunter Keep for the Achievement, Skill Point, Bust, and quest. I don't have a group to do it with me.

    You want to do a random dungeon for the rewards.

    I queue for MHK, you queue for random. We get put in the dungeon together. You get your random dungeon and the associated reward, I get the dungeon I needed. Everybody wins. Situations like this are a big part of why there even is a Group Finder at all and why it needs people willing to take their chances in order to work.

    So you take your chances. Maybe you'll get FG1. Maybe you'll get MHK. Maybe you'll get 4 pugs who know their stuff and you'll burn through the dungeon in no time. Maybe you'll get a bunch of noobs and have to struggle through the simplest of content. For taking this risk, you get a pretty decent reward.

    And yet, you can already skip the risk of getting a weak group by taking a premade group into GF and selecting a random, getting all the same rewards while cutting your risk way, way down. That's awfully darn generous of ZOS to allow that. But even then, some of us want to cut our risk all the way down to zero by queuing for a random and then choosing our dungeon for ourselves.

    If you're not willing to take the risks of a random, you don't deserve the full rewards associated with that risk.
    Edited by MasterSpatula on November 30, 2018 10:48PM
    "A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle
  • yodased
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    OK @MasterSpatula , thats a valid point and well laid out. I can see the issues that could arise from that because even if you dropped to re queue for the dungeon you needed, you would be penalized because you got grouped with players that were trying to circumvent the perceived limitations of the system.

    I am ignorant about the group finding algorithm as I rarely use it, I started a dungeon guild in 2014 and have a friends list that is populated with like minded people. When someone needs MHK or any dungeon for that matter, they can rely on me to get a group that will clear it.

    For the people that do not have that luxury I can see why this would be a problem, but is that an edge case scenario? Do people use the dungeon finder to pug the hardest and longest dungeons in the game? That seems a bit counter intuative to me, but again, I'm operating without all the facts.

    I just want to make this clear that I am not advocating for anyone to try and circumvent systems. I create systems for a living and it sucks when people skirt your hard work.

    Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.
  • MasterSpatula
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    yodased wrote: »
    OK @MasterSpatula , thats a valid point and well laid out. I can see the issues that could arise from that because even if you dropped to re queue for the dungeon you needed, you would be penalized because you got grouped with players that were trying to circumvent the perceived limitations of the system.

    I am ignorant about the group finding algorithm as I rarely use it, I started a dungeon guild in 2014 and have a friends list that is populated with like minded people. When someone needs MHK or any dungeon for that matter, they can rely on me to get a group that will clear it.

    For the people that do not have that luxury I can see why this would be a problem, but is that an edge case scenario? Do people use the dungeon finder to pug the hardest and longest dungeons in the game? That seems a bit counter intuative to me, but again, I'm operating without all the facts.

    I just want to make this clear that I am not advocating for anyone to try and circumvent systems. I create systems for a living and it sucks when people skirt your hard work.

    I have done every DLC dungeon on Normal via GF, solo queued, at least once. I didn't necessarily have to, but sometimes getting a guild run together actually takes longer than just queuing.
    "A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle
  • Ertosi
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    Runs wrote: »
    It could also be that fixing this would lead to worse performance and more queues. This gets taken away and either what I said above ends up happening, or people just disband, regroup and queue again till they get one of the easier dungeons. I can't imagine that being good for the servers performance, but I could be wrong.

    This very well could be the case. Apparently this issue has been around since group finder itself, so I find it hard to believe ZOS would not be aware of it. Your idea would explain their silence, if they are aware of it. They certainly wouldn't come on and say "Yes, this is an exploit, but we can't do anything about it, so please don't do it." They would, in that circumstance, just remain silent. If it wasn't an exploit and they were aware of it, there is no reason I can come up with to explain their silence.

    As a programmer, it seems to me it would be a very simple matter to correct. As soon as the Random Dungeon is first selected, save the variable of which dungeon it is. When they complete their dungeon, check to see if its the same one they were assigned. If not, then no Random Dungeon rewards are deserved. A single variable being saved and later verified is not going to noticeably impact performance.
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  • Ertosi
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    (OP could have PM'd a mod detail just as easily vs making a forum post.)

    One provides feedback, the other draws attention. Just throwing that out there.

    Is PMing the mod stuff like this considered acceptable? When deciding which of those two actions would be the best course, I certainly would have preferred a PM but honestly felt it presumptuous to directly contact any mod and instead used the commonly seen method of @'ing their names to invite them to the conversation, if interested.
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  • VaranisArano
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    Minyassa wrote: »
    It's not an exploit or they would have hotfixed it the very minute someone reported it years ago.

    LOL, you know how long it took them to fix the exploit whereby people could get multiple Premium rewards by running more than one Daily Random Dungeon in a day?

    I'll give you a hint - it wasn't an immediate hotfix.

    However, they did get to it reasonably quickly only after it became general knowledge thanks to a forum post.
    Edited by VaranisArano on November 30, 2018 11:38PM
  • kargen27
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    yodased wrote: »
    Ertosi wrote: »
    yodased wrote: »
    Random in this context appears to be any dungeon, so completing a dungeon while in the random queue satisfies the criteria of the system.

    That part is dead false. Where it true, a player's Randomly Daily would automatically trigger on its own upon completion of any dungeon. That is not the case. People are intentionally glitching the system by joining the Random Daily queue and then triggering the exploit. There's a distinct difference.

    You are too stuck on the fact that you think you are correct to actually understand the concept. I am simply stating that the word random may be conceptually based on the group and not the dungeon.

    You conveniently left out being in a random group and tried to assign criteria to a system you didn't design nor know the scope or intent of.

    Very well could be that you are correct and that the systems qualifications for a random group should be changed to only that specific dungeon that was rolled upon, but again you don't know what the emphasis of random is.

    You are saying that person A takes action B and its exploiting a system, I am saying that person A's action very well could not be exploitative in the context of this game and it's creators.

    I'm thinking you are wrong on this one. I often queue for the pledges and go in with a random group. I never get the random daily reward for doing so. Obviously the reward is for random group and random dungeon. If it is group only I might be owed a lot of daily rewards. It's an exploit but for the most part a harmless one. Only time it becomes an issue is when part of the group wants to take advantage and part of the group is okay with doing the harder content.
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    Its hard to be right or wrong when presenting an opinion.
    Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.
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    It's fascinating to what weird conversations the North Korean inspired TOS leads. Reminds me of some children game.
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  • kargen27
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    Adding to my earlier post. I can group with three other people in my guild queue for a random dungeon and get the daily reward. Knowing joining a random group to get into a specific dungeon has no reward but a preformed group doing a random dungeon does get the reward takes all the guess out of what part of random is being emphasized.
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    i will repeat myself from the other post on this topic.

    Random queue should not intersect with specific queues then. If you want to do a specific dungeon, you queue and you wait until 3 other people that want to do that dungeon are found.

    Why do you get to dictate what dungeon is run for 3 other people in random queue?
    Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.
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    ChunkyCat wrote: »
    What’s the outcome of the exploit?
    You don’t have to post the “how to” exploit, but what exactly are the exploiters getting out of it?
    @ChunkyCat

    Queue for a random dungeon, once you're in the (random) dungeon, port to a really simple dungeon like Fungal Grotto I and do a speed run, collect your random dungeon reward. Rinse and repeat.

    So basically, you get all the extra rewards from queuing for a random dungeon while still doing a specific dungeon (presumably easy and quick) of your choice.
    dry.gif
    Edited by SirAndy on December 1, 2018 5:20AM
  • GreenhaloX
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    Well, I don't know what this exploit is, or do I care. There are so many damn exploits in the game. Like in real life, if you get caught speeding or commit a crime, then the authorities/court will decide your fate. Likewise in this game, the court is pretty much ZOS, and if you break the rules/conducts emplaced for this game, then it's up to them to decide your fate; or whether they want to do anything about it or not. I commend the OP for speaking up for what he sees something is not right.
  • nuvak
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    So, you get a 5min Dungeon instead of perhaps 10min in average, but the reward works as intended? Doesn't sound like a *major* exploit, like the one with the daily reward resetting not working correctly some time ago. Of course, it someone listed for a specific, then it's lousy to do that, but if everyone agrees and you are in a premade group anyway, the overall damage seems minimal. I would not use it and it should be fixed, but there are really bigger problems in the game at the moment.
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    Why do you get to dictate what dungeon is run for 3 other people in random queue?

    That's the whole point why random exists, to improve the chances of those looking to do something specific. For giving up the choice you get a special reward as compensation. Sure, full premade groups subvert that design, but that is a concession to the play-anything-with-your-friends design.
    Edited by nuvak on December 1, 2018 1:46PM
  • Smith4HirePmMe2Order
    I get wanting to do the doungen u got if you havent done it before. but you have to remember several things.

    1: Not everyone likes pve, so they want to get the "chore/event" overwith so they can go back to doing things they consider fun.
    2: When you have 9+ charecter's and events like this pop up, the grind of doing this will suck your will to live right out from under you. When that happens, i promise ya that you will be all to happy to do anything you can to make it as quick, efficient and reduce as much pain as possible.
    3: Random normal's aren't usually very hard. BUT, people do take the times like this to level power characters & skill bars using the daily random normal XP, and problems arise with groups of 3-4 characters with no skills, no skill points, no gear and mixed matched rolls. Then even simple dungeons become wipes and further mentally drain vets who just wanna get this crap over with and get back into, housing, marketing, pvp, farming, w/e else they find fun other than PVE..

    Again when you multiply scenario 3 (or worse all 3 of them): by the number of characters you have to do each day, AND multiply that by the duration of the event... playing the game quickly goes from being fun, to a truly awful monotonous chore filled grind that burns you out, and makes it so you don't even wanna login to the game anymore.


    I dont know (or even care) if this is/isnt an exploit.
    If people want to skip dungeons/partys, im Ok with that.
    Im also OK with people who dont want to skip.

    I merely think it should be upto the choice of what the majority of that group wants to do..

    Besides if you want to do specific dungeons, you can que for the dungeons you want directly. and or join a guild/forum a preset party with ur friends and knock the specific dungeons out.
    Edited by Smith4HirePmMe2Order on December 1, 2018 3:06PM
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    1: Change the ESO+ Housing item limit from 2x to 3x. (preferably 4x)
    2: Add a working Exit wayshrine item for housing.
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  • tthhyyss
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    Cough*Cough*Taddletale*Cough*Cough :p
  • VaranisArano
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    I get wanting to do the doungen u got if you havent done it before. but you have to remember several things.

    1: Not everyone likes pve, so they want to get the "chore/event" overwith so they can go back to doing things they consider fun.
    2: When you have 9+ charecter's and events like this pop up, the grind of doing this will suck your will to live right out from under you. When that happens, i promise ya that you will be all to happy to do anything you can to make it as quick, efficient and reduce as much pain as possible.
    3: Random normal's aren't usually very hard. BUT, people do take the times like this to level power characters & skill bars using the daily random normal XP, and problems arise with groups of 3-4 characters with no skills, no skill points, no gear and mixed matched rolls. Then even simple dungeons become wipes and further mentally drain vets who just wanna get this crap over with and get back into, housing, marketing, pvp, farming, w/e else they find fun other than PVE..

    Again when you multiply scenario 3 (or worse all 3 of them): by the number of characters you have to do each day, AND multiply that by the duration of the event... playing the game quickly goes from being fun, to a truly awful monotonous chore filled grind that burns you out, and makes it so you don't even wanna login to the game anymore.


    I dont know (or even care) if this is/isnt an exploit.
    If people want to skip dungeons/partys, im Ok with that.
    Im also OK with people who dont want to skip.

    I merely think it should be upto the choice of what the majority of that group wants to do..

    Besides if you want to do specific dungeons, you can que for the dungeons you want directly. and or join a guild/forum a preset party with ur friends and knock the specific dungeons out.

    You know, last year, somehow we managed to run random dungeons on all of our characters the way it was intended - running the dungeon we got or accepting the queue penalty of 15 minutes and hoping for an eaiser one.

    Did you get lazier over the last year or something?
  • sentientomega
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    It's a good thing I only care about tickets, and that Fungal Grotto 1 can be duoed.

    Yesterday, I and three others did Wayrest Sewers 2, and today, Banished Cells 1 with another three. But only because everyone wants their mystery boxes, so it's hard to get someone from a guild or friends list to duo FG1 with. Fortunately, WS2 went well.

    To me, despite one of my respected GM's assurances that this sort of thing is not, it still feels a bit iffy to me. A random dungeon being supposed to be, you know, random.

    I just want the event tickets...
  • Kooky_Koala
    If this refers to the practice of some people getting into a dungeon from group finder then leaving to go do an easy dungeon like Fungal Grotto, then I don't have very much sympathy. People have been very frustrated that the group finder is not working and players have to wait and wait, clicking F for ready over and over. That some people then decide to cheese it instead of doing the likes of a DLC dungeon that they got randomly assigned is hardly surprising. There is an event on and many players want to get their event boxes on multiple characters. They have so much time to play in and ZOS are wasting people's time by having a game that is not working correctly.

    For myself I do not want to cheat or exploit and to my knowledge, the above has not been noted as an exploit. Right now, the game has been down for 5 to 6 hours of maintenance, then I have not been able to log in to PC EU from my Steam purchased ESO launcher for over 8 hours. I won't be able to do my daily crafting writs on 10 characters today. If I want any event drops and I get on right now, it is 22.41 and I don't intend to go to bed in the early hours of the morning. What sort of temptation do you think players have to cheese a random normal under these conditions?
  • TimeViewer
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    Pretty sure that the how to is posted in the forum, and if they wanted to fix it would have done so last year
  • kargen27
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    I get wanting to do the doungen u got if you havent done it before. but you have to remember several things.

    1: Not everyone likes pve, so they want to get the "chore/event" overwith so they can go back to doing things they consider fun.
    2: When you have 9+ charecter's and events like this pop up, the grind of doing this will suck your will to live right out from under you. When that happens, i promise ya that you will be all to happy to do anything you can to make it as quick, efficient and reduce as much pain as possible.
    3: Random normal's aren't usually very hard. BUT, people do take the times like this to level power characters & skill bars using the daily random normal XP, and problems arise with groups of 3-4 characters with no skills, no skill points, no gear and mixed matched rolls. Then even simple dungeons become wipes and further mentally drain vets who just wanna get this crap over with and get back into, housing, marketing, pvp, farming, w/e else they find fun other than PVE..

    Again when you multiply scenario 3 (or worse all 3 of them): by the number of characters you have to do each day, AND multiply that by the duration of the event... playing the game quickly goes from being fun, to a truly awful monotonous chore filled grind that burns you out, and makes it so you don't even wanna login to the game anymore.


    I dont know (or even care) if this is/isnt an exploit.
    If people want to skip dungeons/partys, im Ok with that.
    Im also OK with people who dont want to skip.

    I merely think it should be upto the choice of what the majority of that group wants to do..

    Besides if you want to do specific dungeons, you can que for the dungeons you want directly. and or join a guild/forum a preset party with ur friends and knock the specific dungeons out.

    If it isn't fun why are you doing it at all? And those players with no skill points no gear and all that are getting the easy dungeons anyway without the exploit. The dungeon you get is meant to be random. So far it seems ZoS isn't all that concerned but that doesn't mean this isn't an exploit. But I want to do all my characters isn't an excuse.
    and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."
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