Templars PvP - Detailed Guide, Suggestions, Advice, etc. - Elsweyr

EtTuBrutus

Im staying support. Although the build works solo too.

Rhaegar75

Firstmep wrote: »

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

any major changes for your templars with the new update?

Nerf to burning light, backlash, radial sweep, puncturing sweeps.

They removed the healing from ritual of retribution, slightly reworked light weaver passive to not be as useless.

So mostly just nerfs.

Are you testing a different build? I've gone back to Alfyiq + CA + Malacath: 5 heavy...i'm frankly quite bored of this setup so was wondering if anyone had something more interesting to bring to the table.

Khatou

Great guy, motivate even more players to play this class already well abused in PVP, keep on kicking the pvp, you're on the right track...

EtTuBrutus

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

Firstmep wrote: »

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

any major changes for your templars with the new update?

Nerf to burning light, backlash, radial sweep, puncturing sweeps.

They removed the healing from ritual of retribution, slightly reworked light weaver passive to not be as useless.

So mostly just nerfs.

Are you testing a different build? I've gone back to Alfyiq + CA + Malacath: 5 heavy...i'm frankly quite bored of this setup so was wondering if anyone had something more interesting to bring to the table.

Respite/trans both back barred with snb, masters frost staff front, monster of choice has been my go to small group build for a couple months. I run it solo too. Im in 4 welfitted 3 sturdy. Got some videos if u wanna see.

What kind of build are u looking for though? Templars are kinda sub par at anything but spammable against potatoes standing still. (Why i use immobilize to hit or extra stamina pressure).

FirmamentOfStars

Khatou wrote: »

Great guy, motivate even more players to play this class already well abused in PVP, keep on kicking the pvp, you're on the right track...

Well abused class? What the hell do you mean with that? Its strong 1v1 and does good group support, but thats it, nothing extraordinary there.

Firstmep

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

Firstmep wrote: »

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

any major changes for your templars with the new update?

Nerf to burning light, backlash, radial sweep, puncturing sweeps.

They removed the healing from ritual of retribution, slightly reworked light weaver passive to not be as useless.

So mostly just nerfs.

Are you testing a different build? I've gone back to Alfyiq + CA + Malacath: 5 heavy...i'm frankly quite bored of this setup so was wondering if anyone had something more interesting to bring to the table.

Oh I've been playing ranged on magplar for a few patches now, and thi patch with all the procsets I can't see myself go melee.
My current setup is 5 eternal vigor(jewellery+chest and legs, swift x3, reinforced and infused), 5 caluurion(small pieces all well fitted and sharp fire staff), 2pc slimecraw both well fitted, and master ice staff backbar infused with spell dmg glyph.
Gets about 2k mag recovery, 1k hp and stam recov, 4k spell dmg and 28k mag fuly buffed.
The burst with dark flare, javelin and calurion is pretty deadly against most players, I've tried a lot of different setups for ranged plar but so far this one is my favorite, the extra Stam sutan for EV makes a huge difference, and the hp recovery below 50% is pretty good too.
Not a tank build, but with 3x and rat you can kite around LOS pretty well.

I did mock about with a melee build a few bgs, 5stuhn, 5 hist sap, malacath, malubeth, 5 heavy.
It was pretty tanky with some solid burst dmg, but I just find the playstyle too boring for my taste, and honestly playing ranged is just safer most of the time, even on a squishier build.

Waffennacht

Notices some strong temps earlier, have no idea wut they use. And i miss @minno

Datolite

Hey guys. So... Any good builds lately?

Came across a melee magplar rocking malacath, vates staff and zaan, smacked me around [snip].

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StarOfElyon

You got beat by procs, not a Templar. xP

Waffennacht

StarOfElyon wrote: »

You got beat by procs, not a Templar. xP

Truth.

My magden runs all that too...
And my health sorc...
And my necro could swap Bal for Zaan...
Lol

The only question is the "other" set

EV? Maybe.

And I do know of a really good Templar on Xbox BGs NA

He runs Auroran's Thunder as one set. Does pretty darn well; he is also a vamp for mist and the ult; runs with da beams

dcmgti

Anyone having success in light armor magplar(non nord) this patch? I keep trying to go back to light but its tough to survive in light this patch. Been in heavy and malacath more than I want to be, I dont run malacath in light though.

StarOfElyon

I wear light armor on one of my magplars and my DK. It's rough.

Datolite

I've been considering breaking out my old Auroran build too but the light armor thing is scaring me off.

What would be a good way to mitigate the loss of protection there? Not to mention stamina regen as a melee. Protection trait on jewelry? Running sun shield?

UppGRAYxDD

Datolite wrote: »

I've been considering breaking out my old Auroran build too but the light armor thing is scaring me off.

What would be a good way to mitigate the loss of protection there? Not to mention stamina regen as a melee. Protection trait on jewelry? Running sun shield?

Nord, mit pots, cp... honestly tho heavy armor + Band of Brutality is too strong atm

Syiccal

I can literally play in orgnams scales, grothdar, vateshrans and malacath, 34k hp, 1500 spell dmg 900 recovery and wreck solo bg. Went 37 - 1 yesterday on my main. Shouldn't be possible but mala and procs while building tanky allow it

techyeshic

I have always swapped between mag and stam offer; but anyone else having issues block casting HTD lately in Cyro lag? Have had quite a few deaths trying to heal and it just doesn't go

Syiccal

Anyone have a decent magplar build, I been rotating like 3 or 4 builds but can't settle on one

EtTuBrutus

Procs have taken over, there are ways to not succumb to the poor gameplay of procs, but youve actually gotta be good at the game.

Waff, my wolf build translates to every class very well.

Syiccal

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Procs have taken over, there are ways to not succumb to the poor gameplay of procs, but youve actually gotta be good at the game.

Waff, my wolf build translates to every class very well.

It will do as ww is op in every way

BaiterOfZergs

Procs rule the day. I brought the old school grothdar/overwhelming combo + curse eater yesterday for bgs after not playing my Magplar since the patch after scalebreaker and had a field day. To be fair I’ve played magplar longer than most even with the huge gap but it still shows just how out of control procs are.

Edit: I think you can play without procs because I’ve been playing stamplar and stam sorc without procs but I have to admit that it feels like I’m barely trying on my magplar in comparison.

EtTuBrutus

Syiccal wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Procs have taken over, there are ways to not succumb to the poor gameplay of procs, but youve actually gotta be good at the game.

Waff, my wolf build translates to every class very well.

It will do as ww is op in every way

Yea WW is broken. I meant the build works great on all classes when not a WW. As in you haven’t been bitten, can’t morph into a WW, don’t need a flea collar.

Syiccal

So I need an eso theory guys help! Is 2 willpower 2 trainee and vateshrans staff better or worse than using overwhelming surge 5 peice full set

Waffennacht

Syiccal wrote: »

So I need an eso theory guys help! Is 2 willpower 2 trainee and vateshrans staff better or worse than using overwhelming surge 5 peice full set

I would personally prefer Vateshran if I had to pick between the two in a vacuum

VirtualElizabeth

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Procs have taken over, there are ways to not succumb to the poor gameplay of procs, but youve actually gotta be good at the game.

Waff, my wolf build translates to every class very well.

Why do you say the use procs is poor game play. I have used Overwhelming surge off and on on my magplar for about 4-5 years now, alternating between destro/destro and destro/S&B. The reason I use it is largely due to the fact that it helps my dps when I being pounded on by a plethora of stam builds - For me, this set, I believe in some ways, helps even the playing field. If you have a suggestion on how to do this without a proc set feel free to share.

FYI I have also played with 2 x resource set with some modicom of success as well. OS to me, helps me feel a bit more aggressive in the middle of the ruccus lol.

FirmamentOfStars

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Procs have taken over, there are ways to not succumb to the poor gameplay of procs, but youve actually gotta be good at the game.

Waff, my wolf build translates to every class very well.

Why do you say the use procs is poor game play. I have used Overwhelming surge off and on on my magplar for about 4-5 years now, alternating between destro/destro and destro/S&B. The reason I use it is largely due to the fact that it helps my dps when I being pounded on by a plethora of stam builds - For me, this set, I believe in some ways, helps even the playing field. If you have a suggestion on how to do this without a proc set feel free to share.

FYI I have also played with 2 x resource set with some modicom of success as well. OS to me, helps me feel a bit more aggressive in the middle of the ruccus lol.

Its poor game play, because the sets do what you should be doing: the set does damage for you. Thats why everyone calling proc sets lazy gameplay and the current meta one of the least skill full and most unenjoyable metas ever.

techyeshic

Proc meta is really obnoxious but it does put magplar a bit higher than they'd already be. And here I am on my stamplar, near the bottom, running no procs wondering why I don't at least just get the Warden out if I'm going to ignore that meta. It's like part hipsters, part wanting to keep my main going, and part foolish belief that 1 day it will be better and I'll be better at templar by toughing it out.

VirtualElizabeth

SavageChain wrote: »

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Procs have taken over, there are ways to not succumb to the poor gameplay of procs, but youve actually gotta be good at the game.

Waff, my wolf build translates to every class very well.

Why do you say the use procs is poor game play. I have used Overwhelming surge off and on on my magplar for about 4-5 years now, alternating between destro/destro and destro/S&B. The reason I use it is largely due to the fact that it helps my dps when I being pounded on by a plethora of stam builds - For me, this set, I believe in some ways, helps even the playing field. If you have a suggestion on how to do this without a proc set feel free to share.

FYI I have also played with 2 x resource set with some modicom of success as well. OS to me, helps me feel a bit more aggressive in the middle of the ruccus lol.

Its poor game play, because the sets do what you should be doing: the set does damage for you. Thats why everyone calling proc sets lazy gameplay and the current meta one of the least skill full and most unenjoyable metas ever.

Then what is your suggestion? Replace OS with something like Julianos? What is a decent damage set these days that doesn't "proc" for magplars? Or is the 2x resource set with damage glyph the most acceptable - seems the most "hand made" option, which in an odd sense would fit more with my Bohemian leanings in real life, LOL.

StarOfElyon

Innate Axiom is such a great set for my magplar. I've been using it since Summerset (when I started playing). I mostly use class skills so it works for me. And that was before the recent buff.

VirtualElizabeth

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StarOfElyon wrote: »

Innate Axiom is such a great set for my magplar. I've been using it since Summerset (when I started playing). I mostly use class skills so it works for me. And that was before the recent buff.

Thanks for the suggestion!

Datolite

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

SavageChain wrote: »

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

Procs have taken over, there are ways to not succumb to the poor gameplay of procs, but youve actually gotta be good at the game.

Waff, my wolf build translates to every class very well.

Why do you say the use procs is poor game play. I have used Overwhelming surge off and on on my magplar for about 4-5 years now, alternating between destro/destro and destro/S&B. The reason I use it is largely due to the fact that it helps my dps when I being pounded on by a plethora of stam builds - For me, this set, I believe in some ways, helps even the playing field. If you have a suggestion on how to do this without a proc set feel free to share.

FYI I have also played with 2 x resource set with some modicom of success as well. OS to me, helps me feel a bit more aggressive in the middle of the ruccus lol.

Its poor game play, because the sets do what you should be doing: the set does damage for you. Thats why everyone calling proc sets lazy gameplay and the current meta one of the least skill full and most unenjoyable metas ever.

Then what is your suggestion? Replace OS with something like Julianos? What is a decent damage set these days that doesn't "proc" for magplars? Or is the 2x resource set with damage glyph the most acceptable - seems the most "hand made" option, which in an odd sense would fit more with my Bohemian leanings in real life, LOL.

Stuhn's is a good damage set that focuses on penetration - which is good against the heavy armor meta.

Rattlecage is my go-to since day 1 for heavy armor damage set. It frees up a skill slot you'd normally have to use for Major Sorcery, also allows you to ditch spell potions in favor of tri-pots if you're using Vampire's Bane.

Personally I found my Rattlecage/BTB combo just isn't as viable as it used to be so I also went back to Overwhelming to give me an edge. Even then, still getting out-pressured by dummies running Zaan/Vate/Malacath. Put up a good fight and they tea bag you for your efforts.

Proc meta is brutal for honest templars.