In BG with a full group(except me) that had no impen...

MaxJrFTW

One of them mentioned from the start that it was his 1st game ever, and all 3 of them were getting 1 shot constantly so it's obvious they weren't running any impen.

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I was 4-3.

I thought this game had MMR?

Taylor_MB

I wouldn't be surprised if it set people without a ranking as "average". So first time players would get slotted against "average" players rather than the least skilled.

Just speculation.

Integral1900

Also you may be assuming that they have any interest in pvp in the first place, it’s been my experience that a lot of bg players are pve focused and have little to no interest or desire to do pvp. They are there because it’s far easier to get transmute stones that way than doing dungeons, or they want a motif or they are after vigor. Why do you think there are so many assault rank six players running around pve dungeons, it’s because by that point they have vigor, warhorn, caltrops and a huge pile of transmute stones and so have no reason to stay in a part of the game many of them actively hate

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

And how many matches have you had were everyone does good? Do you just remember and post about the lopsided matches since they stick out the most? If you have played other pvp games you would know that matches like this happen. No system is perfect.

MaxJrFTW

Integral1900 wrote: »

Also you may be assuming that they have any interest in pvp in the first place, it’s been my experience that a lot of bg players are pve focused and have little to no interest or desire to do pvp. They are there because it’s far easier to get transmute stones that way than doing dungeons, or they want a motif or they are after vigor. Why do you think there are so many assault rank six players running around pve dungeons, it’s because by that point they have vigor, warhorn, caltrops and a huge pile of transmute stones and so have no reason to stay in a part of the game many of them actively hate

That's irrelevant to the discussion though. The game supposedly has an MMR system. I have played at least 300 bgs by now, definitely more 1st place finishes than 3rd place. I shouldn't be in a game with someone playing their 1st bg ever, or a full group of people without impen. These guys were actually dying instantly, 1 hit and they were dead. I doubt they even knew what impen was.

Integral1900

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

Integral1900 wrote: »

Also you may be assuming that they have any interest in pvp in the first place, it’s been my experience that a lot of bg players are pve focused and have little to no interest or desire to do pvp. They are there because it’s far easier to get transmute stones that way than doing dungeons, or they want a motif or they are after vigor. Why do you think there are so many assault rank six players running around pve dungeons, it’s because by that point they have vigor, warhorn, caltrops and a huge pile of transmute stones and so have no reason to stay in a part of the game many of them actively hate

That's irrelevant to the discussion though. The game supposedly has an MMR system. I have played at least 300 bgs by now, definitely more 1st place finishes than 3rd place. I shouldn't be in a game with someone playing their 1st bg ever, or a full group of people without impen. These guys were actually dying instantly, 1 hit and they were dead. I doubt they even knew what impen was.

Precisely my point, I get the same thing and all I want from bg the stupid motifs, you like bg, most players don’t, they want the rewards and the couldn’t care less about the finer points, THEY ARE NOT THERE TO PLAY PVP..... THEY PROBABLY HATE IT..... THEY JUST WANT THE STUFF THEY CANT GET ELSEWHERE, good greif.....

They don’t use inpen for the same reason most dungeon pugs tanks and healers are fake, they want the rewards but not the effort, they don’t give a toss about problems this causes for others, they just take their pve builds in there, hit stuff and hope for the best, I’ve done it myself with a dps tank. Run in, get loot and go. Half the time I’m watching tv while I do it

MaxJrFTW

Integral1900 wrote: »

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

Integral1900 wrote: »

Also you may be assuming that they have any interest in pvp in the first place, it’s been my experience that a lot of bg players are pve focused and have little to no interest or desire to do pvp. They are there because it’s far easier to get transmute stones that way than doing dungeons, or they want a motif or they are after vigor. Why do you think there are so many assault rank six players running around pve dungeons, it’s because by that point they have vigor, warhorn, caltrops and a huge pile of transmute stones and so have no reason to stay in a part of the game many of them actively hate

That's irrelevant to the discussion though. The game supposedly has an MMR system. I have played at least 300 bgs by now, definitely more 1st place finishes than 3rd place. I shouldn't be in a game with someone playing their 1st bg ever, or a full group of people without impen. These guys were actually dying instantly, 1 hit and they were dead. I doubt they even knew what impen was.

Precisely my point, I get the same thing and all I want from bg the stupid motifs, you like bg, most players don’t, they want the rewards and the couldn’t care less about the finer points, THEY ARE NOT THERE TO PLAY PVP..... THEY PROBABLY HATE IT..... THEY JUST WANT THE STUFF THEY CANT GET ELSEWHERE, good greif.....

They don’t use inpen for the same reason most dungeon pugs tanks and healers are fake, they want the rewards but not the effort, they don’t give a toss about problems this causes for others, they just take their pve builds in there, hit stuff and hope for the best, I’ve done it myself with a dps tank. Run in, get loot and go. Half the time I’m watching tv while I do it

This has nothing to do with MMR dude...

WuffyCerulei

I'm pretty sure Battlegrounds is just random. You'll get all Grand Overlords and people dunking the enemy teams one match, and complete noobs with under 100 cp the next. Just roll with the punches. Losing matches and having crappy games isn't going to ruin your rank or whatever.

VaranisArano

The game does have MMR, it just doesn't guarantee that noobs with no clue are only ever going to fight noobs with no clue.

I started a new character after the MMR was introduced. I wound up with a mixed bag in solo queue. Everything from focused groups to groups who wanted to deathmatch in a flag match. There was one group where 3 out of 4 of us had no idea what to do with a captured relic, and the other teams crushed us.

So I'm not sure what you want out of the MMR in this case. The BG population isn't that big, and while complete newbies stick out like a sore thumb, they are going to get mixed in with the general population and hopefully learn quickly.

Royaji

Thing is, when you say MMR you are imagining a robust system like in CS, R6 or LoL. That is not the case. MMR in ESO is weird and half baked.

It is very prone to matching one high MMR player with 3 low MMR players because it takes into account the average MMR of the group. So matching this high MMR player with better players makes team MMR too high to find opponents. For example many pre-mades who have played hundreds BG matches are unable to queue together anymore because they have an hour+ waiting time.

ChunkyCat

MMR broken. All it does it slow down the queue. It doesn’t do *** to actually match you with equal opponents.

Betty_Booms

I dont run impen.

Sylosi

Games like this don't have enough players queuing for a well functioning matchmaking system.

They then made that problem worse by making BG for 4 man teams and making it 3-way, they should of either gone with 2v2/3v3 so you can work with smaller units which makes matchmaking easier or they should have gone the other direction and made 16vs16 or something (limit queuing as a group to 4 players max) and make a format with a longer match which would make handling premades much easier as it dilutes their impact and you can do things like sticking a 4man pre-made on one side vs a three man plus a two man on the other, gives a lot more wriggle room than 4v4v4, and in both cases matching a 2 way is easier than a 3 way.

Qwazzy

ChunkyCat wrote: »

MMR broken. All it does it slow down the queue. It doesn’t do *** to actually match you with equal opponents.

This.

Finviuswe

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

One of them mentioned from the start that it was his 1st game ever, and all 3 of them were getting 1 shot constantly so it's obvious they weren't running any impen.

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I was 4-3.

I thought this game had MMR?

This is something that is off-putting about BGs.

Don't get me wrong lowbies and newbies need to be able to play and be introduced to PVP. I hope for as many of them to be introduced to PvP as is possible.

But, for someone like me it is not fun to play against them. Going 20-1 in a game against a bunch of CP 300s is not fun for me at all. I actually get little to no enjoyment out of that. Frankly, it's a bit of a waste of time. And they probably do not enjoy it either.

I'm most interested in fighting players who I consider to be skilled. That means players who I think are as good or better than me. That way, I am getting something out of the experience. Either a challenging fight or something that will test my ability at the game, which can help you get better at the game.

For me as well, sometimes it seems like the MMR is not working properly. I usually can't take more than one of those "noob fest" games before I get bored and do something else.

BNOC

Integral1900 wrote: »

Also you may be assuming that they have any interest in pvp in the first place, it’s been my experience that a lot of bg players are pve focused and have little to no interest or desire to do pvp. They are there because it’s far easier to get transmute stones that way than doing dungeons, or they want a motif or they are after vigor. Why do you think there are so many assault rank six players running around pve dungeons, it’s because by that point they have vigor, warhorn, caltrops and a huge pile of transmute stones and so have no reason to stay in a part of the game many of them actively hate

Add to that: I find the same thing with the reason being, many of the BG game modes are PvE friendly - Where, PVP can safely be ignored in favour of PvO (Objectives).

There's shiny prizes for being ranked on the leaderboards which are minimally skill based and are mostly a case of playing more than other people. Even actual PvE leaderboards require a certain amount of skill which makes this so much easier.

kind_hero

Integral1900 wrote: »

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

Integral1900 wrote: »

Also you may be assuming that they have any interest in pvp in the first place, it’s been my experience that a lot of bg players are pve focused and have little to no interest or desire to do pvp. They are there because it’s far easier to get transmute stones that way than doing dungeons, or they want a motif or they are after vigor. Why do you think there are so many assault rank six players running around pve dungeons, it’s because by that point they have vigor, warhorn, caltrops and a huge pile of transmute stones and so have no reason to stay in a part of the game many of them actively hate

That's irrelevant to the discussion though. The game supposedly has an MMR system. I have played at least 300 bgs by now, definitely more 1st place finishes than 3rd place. I shouldn't be in a game with someone playing their 1st bg ever, or a full group of people without impen. These guys were actually dying instantly, 1 hit and they were dead. I doubt they even knew what impen was.

Precisely my point, I get the same thing and all I want from bg the stupid motifs, you like bg, most players don’t, they want the rewards and the couldn’t care less about the finer points, THEY ARE NOT THERE TO PLAY PVP..... THEY PROBABLY HATE IT..... THEY JUST WANT THE STUFF THEY CANT GET ELSEWHERE, good greif.....

They don’t use inpen for the same reason most dungeon pugs tanks and healers are fake, they want the rewards but not the effort, they don’t give a toss about problems this causes for others, they just take their pve builds in there, hit stuff and hope for the best, I’ve done it myself with a dps tank. Run in, get loot and go. Half the time I’m watching tv while I do it

My case too... I enjoy BGs to some extent, but would rather prefer doing something else. All I want is the Fanged Worm staff page, which does not drop for me (I get all the others). I spent more gold than I would like to remember on pvp sets and weapons, just to have a better chance of getting in the 1st or 2nd place team. I have 200 transmute crystals, and probably 100 more in various geodes. There should be some tokens that allow people to get stuff like motif pages or geodes, it will clear the bgs of pve players that don't care about BG pvp (not a big fan)

SugaComa

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

One of them mentioned from the start that it was his 1st game ever, and all 3 of them were getting 1 shot constantly so it's obvious they weren't running any impen.

4-10
0-9
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I was 4-3.

I thought this game had MMR?

I played for months in cyrodil all light all devines ...

But I think differently than most players ...

I like to weak as *** when I first start so I have to learn to play rather than rely on gear to keep me alive ...

While I'm not great at PvP, I do reasonably well in 5L1H1M no shields and impen on 4 pieces

Maybe he values learning his craft over being carried by gear

Prabooo

kills don't determine skill in BG, their assistances where crucial for the kills that were attributed to you and the other fellow

Prabooo

Prabooo wrote: »

kills don't determine skill in BG, their assistances where crucial for the kills that were attributed to you and the other fellow

ranged executes will bring you more kills in a BG

MaxJrFTW

Prabooo wrote: »

kills don't determine skill in BG, their assistances where crucial for the kills that were attributed to you and the other fellow

Dying in one hit doesn't determine skill neither. Kills win games.

raviour

Having played nearly 1k BGs on 9 different characters I see no MMR.