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Class ranking end of 2018
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Magsorc shield delay will be reverted. So nothing will change much
Apart from shields being overall weaker and sorc will be forced to go into heavy armour armour becoming troll tank builds with ignorable dmg.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...1 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭leepalmer95 wrote: »
Oh please. Being able to crit on shields won't change much at all. Since you mitigate such damage (and the non crit still) with armor resistences.I meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
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Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭FrancisCrawford wrote: »
Magplar being able to use their own Spear Shard sinergyI meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
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SilverWF✭✭✭✭✭
✭leepalmer95 wrote: »
Oh please. Being able to crit on shields won't change much at all. Since you mitigate such damage (and the non crit still) with armor resistences.
How many resistances you can get as DD?
30%? 35% in the best case? 40% if going extremely tanky and completely negate your own dmg output?
How many crit damage you can have as DD?
+50% from start, +70-80% with little investments.
So, if you can do math, this is by itself a 30-50% nerf to the shields strength
But also they added a cast time (say hello to the Crushing Shock and Venom Arrow)
Absurd...- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
- YouTube: All ESO disguises (2014)
- EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
- Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
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Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭leepalmer95 wrote: »
Oh please. Being able to crit on shields won't change much at all. Since you mitigate such damage (and the non crit still) with armor resistences.
How many resistances you can get as DD?
30%? 35% in the best case? 40% if going extremely tanky and completely negate your own dmg output?
How many crit damage you can have as DD?
+50% from start, +70-80% with little investments.
So, if you can do math, this is by itself a 30-50% nerf to the shields strength
But also they added a cast time (say hello to the Crushing Shock and Venom Arrow)
Absurd...
Not every hit you'll take will be critI meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
Want competitive pvp while being outnumbered? Tough luck, the devs clearly said you have to die in those situations0 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »
Oh please. Being able to crit on shields won't change much at all. Since you mitigate such damage (and the non crit still) with armor resistences.
How many resistances you can get as DD?
30%? 35% in the best case? 40% if going extremely tanky and completely negate your own dmg output?
How many crit damage you can have as DD?
+50% from start, +70-80% with little investments.
So, if you can do math, this is by itself a 30-50% nerf to the shields strength
But also they added a cast time (say hello to the Crushing Shock and Venom Arrow)
Absurd...
Not every hit you'll take will be crit
But a lot of them will be. Games all about burst. It's still making shields weaker and in open world shields are the weakest form of defence. Dodge/ heavy builds are way better.
PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...1 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »
Oh please. Being able to crit on shields won't change much at all. Since you mitigate such damage (and the non crit still) with armor resistences.
How many resistances you can get as DD?
30%? 35% in the best case? 40% if going extremely tanky and completely negate your own dmg output?
How many crit damage you can have as DD?
+50% from start, +70-80% with little investments.
So, if you can do math, this is by itself a 30-50% nerf to the shields strength
But also they added a cast time (say hello to the Crushing Shock and Venom Arrow)
Absurd...
Not every hit you'll take will be crit
But a lot of them will be. Games all about burst. It's still making shields weaker and in open world shields are the weakest form of defence. Dodge/ heavy builds are way better.
Welcome to a class that actually needs to watch out about burstI meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
Want competitive pvp while being outnumbered? Tough luck, the devs clearly said you have to die in those situations1 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »
Oh please. Being able to crit on shields won't change much at all. Since you mitigate such damage (and the non crit still) with armor resistences.
How many resistances you can get as DD?
30%? 35% in the best case? 40% if going extremely tanky and completely negate your own dmg output?
How many crit damage you can have as DD?
+50% from start, +70-80% with little investments.
So, if you can do math, this is by itself a 30-50% nerf to the shields strength
But also they added a cast time (say hello to the Crushing Shock and Venom Arrow)
Absurd...
Not every hit you'll take will be crit
But a lot of them will be. Games all about burst. It's still making shields weaker and in open world shields are the weakest form of defence. Dodge/ heavy builds are way better.
Welcome to a class that actually needs to watch out about burst
Mag sorc has always need to watch out for burst, if they don't constantly re apply shields they go from 100-0. In open world you die to just dots pretty much.
It's not like magplar which breaks free from a full burst and casts 1 breath to full hp.
Imagine if magplar had to wait 1s to cast a breath of life?
PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...0 -
SilverWF✭✭✭✭✭
✭Wonder if they'll add a cast time to Cloak
- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
- YouTube: All ESO disguises (2014)
- EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
- Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
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Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »
Oh please. Being able to crit on shields won't change much at all. Since you mitigate such damage (and the non crit still) with armor resistences.
How many resistances you can get as DD?
30%? 35% in the best case? 40% if going extremely tanky and completely negate your own dmg output?
How many crit damage you can have as DD?
+50% from start, +70-80% with little investments.
So, if you can do math, this is by itself a 30-50% nerf to the shields strength
But also they added a cast time (say hello to the Crushing Shock and Venom Arrow)
Absurd...
Not every hit you'll take will be crit
But a lot of them will be. Games all about burst. It's still making shields weaker and in open world shields are the weakest form of defence. Dodge/ heavy builds are way better.
Welcome to a class that actually needs to watch out about burst
Mag sorc has always need to watch out for burst, if they don't constantly re apply shields they go from 100-0. In open world you die to just dots pretty much.
It's not like magplar which breaks free from a full burst and casts 1 breath to full hp.
Imagine if magplar had to wait 1s to cast a breath of life?
What are you talking about. With 3 shields you jhust need to pop resto ult when you are being pressured and it's over.
Magsorc is the most burst free classI meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
Want competitive pvp while being outnumbered? Tough luck, the devs clearly said you have to die in those situations0 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »
Oh please. Being able to crit on shields won't change much at all. Since you mitigate such damage (and the non crit still) with armor resistences.
How many resistances you can get as DD?
30%? 35% in the best case? 40% if going extremely tanky and completely negate your own dmg output?
How many crit damage you can have as DD?
+50% from start, +70-80% with little investments.
So, if you can do math, this is by itself a 30-50% nerf to the shields strength
But also they added a cast time (say hello to the Crushing Shock and Venom Arrow)
Absurd...
Not every hit you'll take will be crit
But a lot of them will be. Games all about burst. It's still making shields weaker and in open world shields are the weakest form of defence. Dodge/ heavy builds are way better.
Welcome to a class that actually needs to watch out about burst
Mag sorc has always need to watch out for burst, if they don't constantly re apply shields they go from 100-0. In open world you die to just dots pretty much.
It's not like magplar which breaks free from a full burst and casts 1 breath to full hp.
Imagine if magplar had to wait 1s to cast a breath of life?
What are you talking about. With 3 shields you jhust need to pop resto ult when you are being pressured and it's over.
Magsorc is the most burst free class
Any class can cast resto ult and be fine.
Templar can use remembrance
Nb's can use soul siphon
Any stam class s&b ult etc..
Mag sorc is not 'Op' because they use 3 defensive skill than use a defensive ult.
What are you on about, it's all about burst when vs a mag sorc, of course if you are with 1-2 people its easy. But on your own you just build up burst and when shield is low you go for it.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...2 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »
Oh please. Being able to crit on shields won't change much at all. Since you mitigate such damage (and the non crit still) with armor resistences.
How many resistances you can get as DD?
30%? 35% in the best case? 40% if going extremely tanky and completely negate your own dmg output?
How many crit damage you can have as DD?
+50% from start, +70-80% with little investments.
So, if you can do math, this is by itself a 30-50% nerf to the shields strength
But also they added a cast time (say hello to the Crushing Shock and Venom Arrow)
Absurd...
Not every hit you'll take will be crit
But a lot of them will be. Games all about burst. It's still making shields weaker and in open world shields are the weakest form of defence. Dodge/ heavy builds are way better.
Welcome to a class that actually needs to watch out about burst
Mag sorc has always need to watch out for burst, if they don't constantly re apply shields they go from 100-0. In open world you die to just dots pretty much.
It's not like magplar which breaks free from a full burst and casts 1 breath to full hp.
Imagine if magplar had to wait 1s to cast a breath of life?
What are you talking about. With 3 shields you jhust need to pop resto ult when you are being pressured and it's over.
Magsorc is the most burst free class
Any class can cast resto ult and be fine.
Templar can use remembrance
Nb's can use soul siphon
Any stam class s&b ult etc..
Mag sorc is not 'Op' because they use 3 defensive skill than use a defensive ult.
What are you on about, it's all about burst when vs a mag sorc, of course if you are with 1-2 people its easy. But on your own you just build up burst and when shield is low you go for it.
No, magsorcs are op becouse while having 3 stacking shields that go over max health, and a defensive ult that heals and makes them take 30% less damage. They get 2 executes, burst, stun that go trough block and teleportI meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
Want competitive pvp while being outnumbered? Tough luck, the devs clearly said you have to die in those situations0 -
SilverWF✭✭✭✭✭
✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »
Oh please. Being able to crit on shields won't change much at all. Since you mitigate such damage (and the non crit still) with armor resistences.
How many resistances you can get as DD?
30%? 35% in the best case? 40% if going extremely tanky and completely negate your own dmg output?
How many crit damage you can have as DD?
+50% from start, +70-80% with little investments.
So, if you can do math, this is by itself a 30-50% nerf to the shields strength
But also they added a cast time (say hello to the Crushing Shock and Venom Arrow)
Absurd...
Not every hit you'll take will be crit
But a lot of them will be. Games all about burst. It's still making shields weaker and in open world shields are the weakest form of defence. Dodge/ heavy builds are way better.
Welcome to a class that actually needs to watch out about burst
Mag sorc has always need to watch out for burst, if they don't constantly re apply shields they go from 100-0. In open world you die to just dots pretty much.
It's not like magplar which breaks free from a full burst and casts 1 breath to full hp.
Imagine if magplar had to wait 1s to cast a breath of life?
What are you talking about. With 3 shields you jhust need to pop resto ult when you are being pressured and it's over.
Magsorc is the most burst free class
Any class can cast resto ult and be fine.
Templar can use remembrance
Nb's can use soul siphon
Any stam class s&b ult etc..
Mag sorc is not 'Op' because they use 3 defensive skill than use a defensive ult.
What are you on about, it's all about burst when vs a mag sorc, of course if you are with 1-2 people its easy. But on your own you just build up burst and when shield is low you go for it.
No, magsorcs are op becouse while having 3 stacking shields that go over max health, and a defensive ult that heals and makes them take 30% less damage. They get 2 executes, burst, stun that go trough block and teleport
Any mag class can use 2 shield (yes, it's 2, not 3, but still) and Resto ult.- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
- YouTube: All ESO disguises (2014)
- EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
- Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
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technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think critable shields AND a cast time both is a bit too much. Even with armor rating counting. Going with just 1 or the other to see how it goes would be more tolerable. Even then, I think the cast time might be a little long.
FWIW; I don't play my magsorc much as is as I dont like the mechanic. I do run my stamblade often and do wonder if making cloak have a cast. You still will get interupt immunity, but you're not going to spam it.0 -
templesus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »
Oh please. Being able to crit on shields won't change much at all. Since you mitigate such damage (and the non crit still) with armor resistences.
How many resistances you can get as DD?
30%? 35% in the best case? 40% if going extremely tanky and completely negate your own dmg output?
How many crit damage you can have as DD?
+50% from start, +70-80% with little investments.
So, if you can do math, this is by itself a 30-50% nerf to the shields strength
But also they added a cast time (say hello to the Crushing Shock and Venom Arrow)
Absurd...
Not every hit you'll take will be crit
But a lot of them will be. Games all about burst. It's still making shields weaker and in open world shields are the weakest form of defence. Dodge/ heavy builds are way better.
Welcome to a class that actually needs to watch out about burst
Mag sorc has always need to watch out for burst, if they don't constantly re apply shields they go from 100-0. In open world you die to just dots pretty much.
It's not like magplar which breaks free from a full burst and casts 1 breath to full hp.
Imagine if magplar had to wait 1s to cast a breath of life?
What are you talking about. With 3 shields you jhust need to pop resto ult when you are being pressured and it's over.
Magsorc is the most burst free class
Any class can cast resto ult and be fine.
Templar can use remembrance
Nb's can use soul siphon
Any stam class s&b ult etc..
Mag sorc is not 'Op' because they use 3 defensive skill than use a defensive ult.
What are you on about, it's all about burst when vs a mag sorc, of course if you are with 1-2 people its easy. But on your own you just build up burst and when shield is low you go for it.
Shields weren’t overperforming until Zenimax made it possible to attain 50k+ max. You dont need a defensive set on sorc like say a magplar because by stacking into magicka~essentially damage~you got all the defense you needed. Back when 40k was average shields were balanced, but something had to be done to bring the other magicka specs in line. Imo nerfing shields wasn’t the way to go, I’d much prefer buffs to those other classes, but unfortunately that’s what they did.Edited by templesus on September 18, 2018 6:32AM0 -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »
Oh please. Being able to crit on shields won't change much at all. Since you mitigate such damage (and the non crit still) with armor resistences.
How many resistances you can get as DD?
30%? 35% in the best case? 40% if going extremely tanky and completely negate your own dmg output?
How many crit damage you can have as DD?
+50% from start, +70-80% with little investments.
So, if you can do math, this is by itself a 30-50% nerf to the shields strength
But also they added a cast time (say hello to the Crushing Shock and Venom Arrow)
Absurd...
Not every hit you'll take will be crit
But a lot of them will be. Games all about burst. It's still making shields weaker and in open world shields are the weakest form of defence. Dodge/ heavy builds are way better.
Welcome to a class that actually needs to watch out about burst
Mag sorc has always need to watch out for burst, if they don't constantly re apply shields they go from 100-0. In open world you die to just dots pretty much.
It's not like magplar which breaks free from a full burst and casts 1 breath to full hp.
Imagine if magplar had to wait 1s to cast a breath of life?
What are you talking about. With 3 shields you jhust need to pop resto ult when you are being pressured and it's over.
Magsorc is the most burst free class
Any class can cast resto ult and be fine.
Templar can use remembrance
Nb's can use soul siphon
Any stam class s&b ult etc..
Mag sorc is not 'Op' because they use 3 defensive skill than use a defensive ult.
What are you on about, it's all about burst when vs a mag sorc, of course if you are with 1-2 people its easy. But on your own you just build up burst and when shield is low you go for it.
Shields weren’t overperforming until Zenimax made it possible to attain 50k+ max. You dont need a defensive set on sorc like say a magplar because by stacking into magicka~essentially damage~you got all the defense you needed. Back when 40k was average shields were balanced, but something had to be done to bring the other magicka specs in line. Imo nerfing shields wasn’t the way to go, I’d much prefer buffs to those other classes, but unfortunately that’s what they did.
"You don't need a defensive set on a sorc". True. But in most cases sorcs already can't run more than 1 dmg set at all. I really hope that Skander isn't just talking out of his behind but that they revert the cast time changes.0 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »
Oh please. Being able to crit on shields won't change much at all. Since you mitigate such damage (and the non crit still) with armor resistences.
How many resistances you can get as DD?
30%? 35% in the best case? 40% if going extremely tanky and completely negate your own dmg output?
How many crit damage you can have as DD?
+50% from start, +70-80% with little investments.
So, if you can do math, this is by itself a 30-50% nerf to the shields strength
But also they added a cast time (say hello to the Crushing Shock and Venom Arrow)
Absurd...
Not every hit you'll take will be crit
But a lot of them will be. Games all about burst. It's still making shields weaker and in open world shields are the weakest form of defence. Dodge/ heavy builds are way better.
Welcome to a class that actually needs to watch out about burst
Mag sorc has always need to watch out for burst, if they don't constantly re apply shields they go from 100-0. In open world you die to just dots pretty much.
It's not like magplar which breaks free from a full burst and casts 1 breath to full hp.
Imagine if magplar had to wait 1s to cast a breath of life?
What are you talking about. With 3 shields you jhust need to pop resto ult when you are being pressured and it's over.
Magsorc is the most burst free class
Any class can cast resto ult and be fine.
Templar can use remembrance
Nb's can use soul siphon
Any stam class s&b ult etc..
Mag sorc is not 'Op' because they use 3 defensive skill than use a defensive ult.
What are you on about, it's all about burst when vs a mag sorc, of course if you are with 1-2 people its easy. But on your own you just build up burst and when shield is low you go for it.
No, magsorcs are op becouse while having 3 stacking shields that go over max health, and a defensive ult that heals and makes them take 30% less damage. They get 2 executes, burst, stun that go trough block and teleport
Any mag class can use 2 shield (yes, it's 2, not 3, but still) and Resto ult.
without the 3rd shield, shield stacking isnt' that effectiveI meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
Want competitive pvp while being outnumbered? Tough luck, the devs clearly said you have to die in those situations0 -
Ariades_swe✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Here's how I would rank them specifically for no-CP BG's:
A tier: Stamina Warden, Magicka Sorcercer, Magicka Templar
B tier: Stamina Nightblade, Magicka Nightblade, Stamina Templar, Stamina Sorcerer, Magicka Dragonknight
C tier: Stamina Dragonknight, Magicka Warden*
*DPS, healer is A tier.
I do mostly agree to this list. With a fix to the current bleed and swift meta, stamDk would easily go up to B tier though.
I feel like SnB stamDk became too weak after defile nerfs meanwhile those fast bleed builds were not adjusted.
As for stamden its actually a very decent class for coordinated group play, but templar can purge nasty bleeds, debuffs so magplar's existance makes it look bad.
The “issue” with Stamden is that open world builds differ pretty noticeably from duel builds so fighting a good player 1v1 can be super annoying. That’s the only real problem it has.
What skills would you run on a more 1v1 centric stamden build?0
