Class ranking end of 2018

Skander

Magicka DragonKnight: It's ok
Stamina DragonKnight: it's ok
Magicka Sorcerer: Overperforming as f***k
Stamina Sorcerer: It's ok
Stamina Nightblade: Meh, Still overperforming a lot
Magicka Nightblade: It's ok but not in duels. In duels you must be brain delayed to lose
Magicka Templar: It's ok
Stamina Templar: it's ok
Stamina Warden: Not ok, too strong
Magicka Warden: Declassified. It's now counted as "NpC" or Healer with 2 good heals.

Waffennacht

How is mag sorc over performing right now?

ccmedaddy

Paging @Priyasekarssk for maximum drama

Skander

Waffennacht wrote: »

How is mag sorc over performing right now?

You need a single cp to counter it, and only that particular class, so if you invest on it, you lose on other sides

Sorcs have double executes, stuns and teleports leaving them always one foot ahead of other classes

That's mainly it.

_Ahala_

I have a solution to the Stamden problem... just nerf shalks again.. and make sure you nerf Deep Fissure just as hard as Subterranean Assault (if not harder) because otherwise you would mess up the perfect 95:5 Stamden to Magden in game ratio

idk

Lol. So according to OP Zos has most things pretty well balanced.

Waffennacht

Skander wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

How is mag sorc over performing right now?

You need a single cp to counter it, and only that particular class, so if you invest on it, you lose on other sides

Sorcs have double executes, stuns and teleports leaving them always one foot ahead of other classes

That's mainly it.

Ah, so first off you should adjust the post to mention CP (cuz in BGs that ain't the case)

Execute - fair enough, implosion does suck to die to

Teleport - well there's the better teleport from shades.

Biggest reason why I would say Sorc (mag) is not OP - only 1 non-ult ability is not dodgeable, so if you don't die to curse, you really shouldn't ever die. (If running a meta build)

Skander

idk wrote: »

Lol. So according to OP Zos has most things pretty well balanced.

"it's ok" it's not "well balanced".

Skander

Waffennacht wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

How is mag sorc over performing right now?

You need a single cp to counter it, and only that particular class, so if you invest on it, you lose on other sides

Sorcs have double executes, stuns and teleports leaving them always one foot ahead of other classes

That's mainly it.

Ah, so first off you should adjust the post to mention CP (cuz in BGs that ain't the case)

Execute - fair enough, implosion does suck to die to

Teleport - well there's the better teleport from shades.

Biggest reason why I would say Sorc (mag) is not OP - only 1 non-ult ability is not dodgeable, so if you don't die to curse, you really shouldn't ever die. (If running a meta build)

Teleport: a morph of it makes magicka casting ability useless to persuit the opponent, also i've seen sorc spam 10 of those in a row and still have magicka to fight which shoudn't be possible
Execute: Double execute. Not one. Double. And the Casting one is a DoT execute, which means if you get low when is active, you pop, with a chance of double popping


Those are the main iusses with sorc. it does too much damage, and gets away with it without losing survaivability

Waffennacht

Skander wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

How is mag sorc over performing right now?

You need a single cp to counter it, and only that particular class, so if you invest on it, you lose on other sides

Sorcs have double executes, stuns and teleports leaving them always one foot ahead of other classes

That's mainly it.

Ah, so first off you should adjust the post to mention CP (cuz in BGs that ain't the case)

Execute - fair enough, implosion does suck to die to

Teleport - well there's the better teleport from shades.

Biggest reason why I would say Sorc (mag) is not OP - only 1 non-ult ability is not dodgeable, so if you don't die to curse, you really shouldn't ever die. (If running a meta build)

Teleport: a morph of it makes magicka casting ability useless to persuit the opponent, also i've seen sorc spam 10 of those in a row and still have magicka to fight which shoudn't be possible
Execute: Double execute. Not one. Double. And the Casting one is a DoT execute, which means if you get low when is active, you pop, with a chance of double popping


Those are the main iusses with sorc. it does too much damage, and gets away with it without losing survaivability

The 10 in a row is not the same as a damage dealing one; and is exclusively in CP. That's impossible with the limited resources and increase cost of no-CP

Yeah, two executes, but most PvP classes already run 1 (with a higher execute mark) implosion is proc based and I agree it sucks to die to. If you die to wrath you deserve to die, you didn't dodge or purge (and if you don't have access to either then I question the build choice)

Again, how much damage a sorc can do is moot because you (opposing player) should be mitigating it all through other means.

NB - cloak or roll
Sorc - shield or roll
Templar - purge or roll
Warden - shimmering or roll
DK - wings or roll

(If you're Stam - which you kinda should be in this meta, just dodge everything)

If you're mag you have to try harder but still have counters

WreckfulAbandon

The fact that you failed to differentiate in any way between 5/10 of the classes shows how easily this "feedback" can be disregarded. Just make a nerf sorc thread you silly potato. That way no one will click on the link expecting actual insights.

katorga

Mag Sorc has had shield stacking, mages fury and implosion since day one, and people have been beating them just fine.

usmguy1234

Skander wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

How is mag sorc over performing right now?

You need a single cp to counter it, and only that particular class, so if you invest on it, you lose on other sides

Sorcs have double executes, stuns and teleports leaving them always one foot ahead of other classes

That's mainly it.

Ah, so first off you should adjust the post to mention CP (cuz in BGs that ain't the case)

Execute - fair enough, implosion does suck to die to

Teleport - well there's the better teleport from shades.

Biggest reason why I would say Sorc (mag) is not OP - only 1 non-ult ability is not dodgeable, so if you don't die to curse, you really shouldn't ever die. (If running a meta build)

Teleport: a morph of it makes magicka casting ability useless to persuit the opponent, also i've seen sorc spam 10 of those in a row and still have magicka to fight which shoudn't be possible
Execute: Double execute. Not one. Double. And the Casting one is a DoT execute, which means if you get low when is active, you pop, with a chance of double popping


Those are the main iusses with sorc. it does too much damage, and gets away with it without losing survaivability

You realize 5 casts of streak back to back is roughly 50k magicka right? I don't think many sorc builds are sporting much more than that in cyrodiil.

Kadoin

Both mag templar and mag warden are still "meh" in my books. I use both as healers only.

Lexxypwns

Stam sorc is just ok? Ok...

Siohwenoeht

ccmedaddy wrote: »

Paging @Priyasekarssk for maximum drama

Oh no you didn't... Lol

Skander

katorga wrote: »

Mag Sorc has had shield stacking, mages fury and implosion since day one, and people have been beating them just fine.

The butterfly effect. If something gets changed, something else it's changed by consequence.

ak_pvp

For openworld, solo/small.
Vgood>good>OK/Fine>Weak/Outdated

MagDK - OK, playstyle outdated, skills good.
StamDK - OK, playstyle good, weak class skills
Magsorc - OK, playstyle fine, outdated skills
Stamsorc - Good, playstyle good, class abilities good.
Magblade - Good, playstyle fine, class abilities very good.
Stamblade - Very good, playstyle very good, abilities good.
Magplar - OK, playstyle outdated, abilities fine.
Stamplar - Weaker, playstyle fine, abilities outdated.
Magden - OK, playstyle outdated, abilities good
Stamden - Very good, playstyle good, abilities very good.

Playstyle = How it plays and can it fit meta sets etc. I.e. Heavy Stam tonk or rogyeis better on a Stamden/snb respectively than a Stamplar. Caster style with shields for mag matches nb more than Magplar.
Abilities = General potency of abilities not factoring the meta, for example talons/whip would be counted towards MagDK good skill despite meta weaknesses.

Stamplar gets my vote for weakest since it doesn't do Stam heavy tonk or rogue as well as others, and is limited skill wise even out of meta (jabs easy to avoid) with no redemption in healing either.
That said, if I was rating BGs, they would be a lot higher, making use of cqc and bleed meta playstyle really well.

TimeDazzler

Here's how I would rank them specifically for no-CP BG's:

A tier: Stamina Warden, Magicka Sorcercer, Magicka Templar

B tier: Stamina Nightblade, Magicka Nightblade, Stamina Templar, Stamina Sorcerer, Magicka Dragonknight

C tier: Stamina Dragonknight, Magicka Warden*

*DPS, healer is A tier.

Joy_Division

Skander wrote: »

Magicka Sorcerer: Overperforming as f***k

OP would rather troll than have a productive discussion

LeifErickson

This could have been a really good thread if it wasn't such a troll/low effort.

Lexxypwns

@ak_pvp mDK and Magplar fit this meta quite fine and aren’t outdated imo. They arguably have the largest benefit from swift since it fills the only real gap in their class.

And if we’re being honest the stand your ground playstyle you’re actually taking about is more viable than it’s been in months now that you’re not perms-defiled. mDK is definitely better this patch than last

Joy_Division wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Magicka Sorcerer: Overperforming as f***k

OP would rather troll than have a productive discussion

LeifErickson wrote: »

This could have been a really good thread if it wasn't such a troll/low effort.

Let’s just make a good discussion of it regardless of him.

Gilvoth

Skander wrote: »

Magicka DragonKnight: It's ok
Stamina DragonKnight: it's ok
Magicka Sorcerer: Overperforming as f***k
Stamina Sorcerer: It's ok
Stamina Nightblade: Meh, Still overperforming a lot
Magicka Nightblade: It's ok but not in duels. In duels you must be brain delayed to lose
Magicka Templar: It's ok
Stamina Templar: it's ok
Stamina Warden: Not ok, too strong
Magicka Warden: Declassified. It's now counted as "NpC" or Healer with 2 good heals.

it should be Noted that, that list, "is Your Opinion".

IZZEFlameLash

Magicka Sorc is not overperforming at this moment. They are back in their box. I'd say NBs of both specs and Stamden meta is still strong. With new addition, Stamsorcs.

Galarthor

Skander wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

How is mag sorc over performing right now?

You need a single cp to counter it, and only that particular class, so if you invest on it, you lose on other sides

Sorcs have double executes, stuns and teleports leaving them always one foot ahead of other classes

That's mainly it.

Well at least you get a counter to it. A counter that everybody can use and does not require anything special except an ability that deals damage.

There is no counter at all for block and doge.
And the counter to heals requires that you have a skill / set that applies major or minor maim.
So yes ... sorcs are totally receive preferential treatment.

Oh and if shields are so overperforming as people always claim, why are only sorcs running them? If other classes are running them then the Shattering Blow CP is not a "sorc-only counter".

If Fury / Execute is as OP as people always claim, then how do they die to Implosion?
People keep saying Fury one-shots people once they reach 20%. So where does the Implosion proc come in?

You guys really need to get your stories straight. There are too many contradictions in your arguementations why sorcs are "OP".

Seriously? It's 2018 and you are complaining about Streak? It is inferior to every single gap closer in this game. It's even inferior to running ,which can have it's cost reduced by CP + Armor traits and it's speed increased by jewelry traits. Or are you really complaining about sorcs getting away from you when you do not slot a gap closer and cannot / want not to sprint after them? B/c neither makes sorcs general or Streak in particular OP ... it just makes you whiny or lazy. If you don't slot a gap closer, then don't complain about somebody using a gap opener getting away from you. The same way somebody not slotting a gap opener has no right to complain about not getting away from an enemy that slots a gap closer!

Ragnarock41

Cries wrote: »

Here's how I would rank them specifically for no-CP BG's:

A tier: Stamina Warden, Magicka Sorcercer, Magicka Templar

B tier: Stamina Nightblade, Magicka Nightblade, Stamina Templar, Stamina Sorcerer, Magicka Dragonknight

C tier: Stamina Dragonknight, Magicka Warden*

*DPS, healer is A tier.

I do mostly agree to this list. With a fix to the current bleed and swift meta, stamDk would easily go up to B tier though.

I feel like SnB stamDk became too weak after defile nerfs meanwhile those fast bleed builds were not adjusted.

As for stamden its actually a very decent class for coordinated group play, but templar can purge nasty bleeds, debuffs so magplar's existance makes it look bad.

Lexxypwns

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Cries wrote: »

Here's how I would rank them specifically for no-CP BG's:

A tier: Stamina Warden, Magicka Sorcercer, Magicka Templar

B tier: Stamina Nightblade, Magicka Nightblade, Stamina Templar, Stamina Sorcerer, Magicka Dragonknight

C tier: Stamina Dragonknight, Magicka Warden*

*DPS, healer is A tier.

I do mostly agree to this list. With a fix to the current bleed and swift meta, stamDk would easily go up to B tier though.

I feel like SnB stamDk became too weak after defile nerfs meanwhile those fast bleed builds were not adjusted.

As for stamden its actually a very decent class for coordinated group play, but templar can purge nasty bleeds, debuffs so magplar's existance makes it look bad.

The “issue” with Stamden is that open world builds differ pretty noticeably from duel builds so fighting a good player 1v1 can be super annoying. That’s the only real problem it has.

CyrusArya

Lexxypwns wrote: »

The “issue” with Stamden is that open world builds differ pretty noticeably from duel builds so fighting a good player 1v1 can be super annoying. That’s the only real problem it has.

Conversely this is what makes Stamplar so damn awesome. It might not overall be the best at anything, but it has such a universal kit. Literally swap one skill two tops to go from a dueling build to a small scale one to a larger group spec, whatever. So you run into a 1vX stamplar 1v1 open world and you’re pretty much facing a full on dueling kit sans trap.

Lexxypwns

CyrusArya wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

The “issue” with Stamden is that open world builds differ pretty noticeably from duel builds so fighting a good player 1v1 can be super annoying. That’s the only real problem it has.

Conversely this is what makes Stamplar so damn awesome. It might not overall be the best at anything, but it has such a universal kit. Literally swap one skill two tops to go from a dueling build to a small scale one to a larger group spec, whatever. So you run into a 1vX stamplar 1v1 open world and you’re pretty much facing a full on dueling kit sans trap.

Same with Stamblade and Mag sorc for the most part.

Hmm, perhaps that’s why people seem to think these specs are overperforming. It can be very difficult to deal with a duel setup when you’re in a 1vX or group build and will definitely leave you feeling weak against a similarly skilled player

CyrusArya

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Same with Stamblade and Mag sorc for the most part.

Hmm, perhaps that’s why people seem to think these specs are overperforming. It can be very difficult to deal with a duel setup when you’re in a 1vX or group build and will definitely leave you feeling weak against a similarly skilled player

I don’t think many ppl think stamplar is overperforming. But for stamblade yeah, on a heavy bleedblade open world and duel setup is pretty much the same. Sorc no way tho. Sorc duel builds are vastly different from open world specs.

Ultimate_Overlord

Thank you random nobody for telling us all that you think half of the classes are ok, whatever that means.