Class ranking end of 2018

FloppyTouch

So nerf nbs?

Ariades_swe

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Checkmath

Nothing new here....Skander never posted something, which really encourages a good discussion. His OPs always are rather troll-like without any facts, only his opinion as a statement. Maybe we can make something good out of this thread.

WuffyCerulei

I do agree magsorcs are pretty strong, but they always have been. However, they're been pretty balanced as not being too strong that people cannot kill whatsoever. I mean it. I'd say stamdens are that sort of unkillible now. It takes multiple people to take down a stamden, while that stamden easily dunks half those people and then zips off while healing themselves to full health in 3 seconds. Magsorcs have had their shields, bolt escape, crystal frags, and rune prison nerfed. There's also so many ways to counter magsorcs, that if you have issues with them and call them OP, then it's a serious L2P issue.

Skander

Checkmath wrote: »

Nothing new here....Skander never posted something, which really encourages a good discussion. His OPs always are rather troll-like without any facts, only his opinion as a statement. Maybe we can make something good out of this thread.

If you see every thread of mine has at least 3 different discussions in it.

I'm just manipulating you into using your brain

Checkmath

Skander wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

Nothing new here....Skander never posted something, which really encourages a good discussion. His OPs always are rather troll-like without any facts, only his opinion as a statement. Maybe we can make something good out of this thread.

If you see every thread of mine has at least 3 different discussions in it.

I'm just manipulating you into using your brain

No you manipulate mainly people bashing on you first.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Checkmath wrote: »

Nothing new here....Skander never posted something, which really encourages a good discussion. His OPs always are rather troll-like without any facts, only his opinion as a statement. Maybe we can make something good out of this thread.

You may disagree with the way the OP presents his information or his perceived intention behind it but as representatives I would expect a little better than a post just trying to bash them. This guy is also a part of the group you are supposed to be representing.

If you want to make something good from from the thread be a part of that change and discussion. No need for the snide comments from anyone as it only further hinders things.

As for the rankings.
I'd group it by content type:

Duels / BGs / openworld solo / openworld smallscale / openworld medium+

I won't comment on duels/bgs because I barely play them this patch.

Open world solo:
Stamblade > Mag Sorc > Stamden > Mag DK > Stamplar > Stam sorc > Stam dk > Magden > Magblade > Magplar

Smallscale:
Stamden> Mag DK > Magplar > Magden > Stamplar > Stam NB > Stam Sorc > Mag sorc > Stam Dk > Magblade

Medium+
Magblade > Mag DK > Mag Sorc > Stam sorc > Stamden > Magplar > Magden > Stamplar > Stam NB > Stam Dk

Role specific lists would be slightly different (magplar would be last on DD) but based on overall use and performance in their respective roles that would be my opinion.

Chilly-McFreeze

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Magicka Sorc is not overperforming at this moment. They are back in their box. I'd say NBs of both specs and Stamden meta is still strong. With new addition, Stamsorcs.

What changed for the new addition to deserve such a tier raise?

Checkmath

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Magicka Sorc is not overperforming at this moment. They are back in their box. I'd say NBs of both specs and Stamden meta is still strong. With new addition, Stamsorcs.

What changed for the new addition to deserve such a tier raise?

Probably the high mobility, high burst and passive execute they have. With forward momentum and speed lingering pots they are very hard to catch. They do not even need swift trait for that. Additionally their high burst and passive execute make their aoe damage potential dangerous. There are already several spin-to-win builds out there, which at most time do not need more than a dawnbreaker, hurricane and steel tornado to kill people.

PapaWeeb

OP, have you tried dueling a DK with wings on a magblade? With 100% projectile damage? Brain delay lul

Skander

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

Nothing new here....Skander never posted something, which really encourages a good discussion. His OPs always are rather troll-like without any facts, only his opinion as a statement. Maybe we can make something good out of this thread.

You may disagree with the way the OP presents his information or his perceived intention behind it but as representatives I would expect a little better than a post just trying to bash them. This guy is also a part of the group you are supposed to be representing.

If you want to make something good from from the thread be a part of that change and discussion. No need for the snide comments from anyone as it only further hinders things.

As for the rankings.
I'd group it by content type:

Duels / BGs / openworld solo / openworld smallscale / openworld medium+

I won't comment on duels/bgs because I barely play them this patch.

Open world solo:
Stamblade > Mag Sorc > Stamden > Mag DK > Stamplar > Stam sorc > Stam dk > Magden > Magblade > Magplar

Smallscale:
Stamden> Mag DK > Magplar > Magden > Stamplar > Stam NB > Stam Sorc > Mag sorc > Stam Dk > Magblade

Medium+
Magblade > Mag DK > Mag Sorc > Stam sorc > Stamden > Magplar > Magden > Stamplar > Stam NB > Stam Dk

Role specific lists would be slightly different (magplar would be last on DD) but based on overall use and performance in their respective roles that would be my opinion.

Solo magden stronger then magblade and magplar

Yeah, that's new.


Got me to giggle at least

mojomood

Skander wrote: »

Magicka DragonKnight: It's ok
Stamina DragonKnight: it's ok
Magicka Sorcerer: Overperforming as f***k
Stamina Sorcerer: It's ok
Stamina Nightblade: Meh, Still overperforming a lot
Magicka Nightblade: It's ok but not in duels. In duels you must be brain delayed to lose
Magicka Templar: It's ok
Stamina Templar: it's ok
Stamina Warden: Not ok, too strong
Magicka Warden: Declassified. It's now counted as "NpC" or Healer with 2 good heals.

Magicka Nightblade in duels is OP, but in almost every other pvp scenario is lacking. They need some other than offering. It's a bad skill. Base and all morphs.

Stamina Warden is very strong...but it also is behind a pay wall so you can't expect it to be 'meh'.
I don't mind Sorcs and NBs being bursty, as long as it follows the glass cannon line and not a tank that also has nuke options.

SpiderCultist

Got 4 nightblades, 2 stamina, 2 magicka

the stamina version is way stronger than the magicka version

I would dare to say all stamina classes are overperforming compared to their magicka specs except mDK

MetalHead4x4

Mag Sorc feels the weakest it has in a long time. Especially if you don't shield stack which a lot of guys in PvP don't, it's too costly. I use Streak more offensively than anything cause trying to get away from people spamming Flying Blade and Rune Cage just slows or locks you down where you get nuked. Plus it's complete lack of any dodge ability just makes you have to eat all the incoming damage which means you have to keep casting shields and using your stamina sparingly as you only get 2-3 dodge rolls at most.

Granted there are those shield stacker Sorcs (mainly duelist builds) that seem to jump around all day eating the damage of 5 people without a care in the world. Which is and will always remain fishy to me. I run Dark Deal but its hard to fine time to cast it depending on the Sorc you're fighting cause their shields seem to always be up and I'm totally out of magicka. They like to whisper you and tell you how bad you suck cause you won't 1v1 them but you can barely 5v1 them. It's never made sense to me and I've run a Sorc for a long time.

Chilly-McFreeze

Checkmath wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Magicka Sorc is not overperforming at this moment. They are back in their box. I'd say NBs of both specs and Stamden meta is still strong. With new addition, Stamsorcs.

What changed for the new addition to deserve such a tier raise?

Probably the high mobility, high burst and passive execute they have. With forward momentum and speed lingering pots they are very hard to catch. They do not even need swift trait for that. Additionally their high burst and passive execute make their aoe damage potential dangerous. There are already several spin-to-win builds out there, which at most time do not need more than a dawnbreaker, hurricane and steel tornado to kill people.

Everyone can use lingering speed pots. Without anything further, the difference is merely 10%, which can be reduced to 0 by one single jewelry trait. FM is also available to everyone.
I really don't see where stamsorcs are something extraordinary/ unreachable fast now. In times when it was hard to gain speed, stamsorcs where special, but I couldn't say that since summerset.

And I'd like to know where that class burst comes from. Dizzy Swing? Flying Dagger? Dawnbreaker? Non of that is class relevant. Only thing that comes close to "burst" is the energyzed passive and that has been there since when? Forever, I guess. Again, I don't see why this suddenly becomes overachieving.

But sure, Implosion was and still is a hot topic that really shines in a dot-heavy build.

When was the last time DB and Steel Tornado were changed? Or does tornado's suddens rise to popularity happend as an answer to how elusive dodge (& cloak) builds have become since some skills lost their undodgeable aspect? (especially elusive when combined with swift). BTW hurricane lost 75% of it's bonus damage a few patches ago.

All I see is a shift of popularity, not a shift in power to stam sorcs. They either already were that good or the sources of power is mitinterpreted. And I doubt that everyone didn't saw how good a class was a few patches ago.

katorga

All I see is a shift of popularity, not a shift in power to stam sorcs

Same here. Everyone can reach speed cap.

Easy access to speed cap makes streak and gap closers a waste of a slot.

Everyone can use speed to LOS and "dark deal" now using Deep Thoughts, arguably better than Dark Deal for pvp. With around 5K of health regen/Hots per second, cc immunity and a source of minor protection you can face tank damage while you channel deep thoughts.

CatchMeTrolling

Right now the classes that can be a bit ridiculous would be stam Warden (most ridiculous), stam nb And stam sorc.

leepalmer95

Need to base them in different scenerio, duels, solo, small scale zerg.

etc..

Mag sorc is weak af, good in duels like every class can be yet useless against anyone with a brain. Shields are terrible open world, burst is so easily countered as 60% of classes have a skill that straight up ends a mag sorc's burst and apart from curse everything else is dodgeable and so easy to see.

Magplar, weak solo, amazing in any type of group as its the easiest class to play and be effective on. Purge heals etc.. In non cp anyone noob can throw on heavy armour and 30k hp with something like wizards or earthgore and become the most effective in the group because of how strong heals are. If there is more than 1 healer then good luck.

Stam warden is stupid strong, yes, solo, duels and group play.

Stam Nb is one of the only classes i can play solo/ small scale now. But steel tornado is an easy counter to them. I've never struggled to kill a nb on a build with steel tornado, likely because i actually slotted a counter instead of crying on the forum about cloak.

Mag nb, amazing in duels, yet they get snared and die in open world, weaker shields than a mag sorc and a mag sorc shields get melted. Also pretty easy to counter if you know the easy tp predict burst.

Mag dk's same as magplars. Yet mag dk's are good in duels but less effective in groups as magplar purge/ breath/ healing ult is too useful.

Stam dk- weaker version of stam warden

Stam sorc, more mobility yet still weaker than stam warden.

Stam templar - amazing in non cp/ bgs, useful in groups, strong in duels, lacks a bit of sustain open world unless draining bodies all the time. Not that bad of a class like everyone seems to think.

Mag warden - Needs a class cc again, ok in groups as a support type build and off healer. Permafrost, aoe defile etc.. make it not bad in a big enough group, brings enough utility and aoe dmg. But bad solo/ small scale i'd say.

biggda76

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Hutch679

Need @Priyasekarssk in here to comment. He definitely defines most things pvp. Let's hear his definitions of defining the definitive list of pvp class rankings that definitely need defined indefinitely.

Tryxus

S Rank: StamBlade
A Rank: StamDen, Stam Sorc, MagBlade, MagPlar
B Rank: Stam DK, Mag Sorc, Mag DK
C Rank: StamPlar
D Rank: MagDen

thankyourat

The best class is Dbos, Swift jewelry trait, lingering speed pots, master axes, and steel tornado.

LeifErickson

For solo open world:

S tier: stamblade, stam sorc, stam warden
A tier: mag sorc
B tier: stamplar, magplar, magblade, stamdk
C tier: magdk, magden

For small group open world (2-3):

S tier: stam warden
A tier: magplar, magden, stam sorc, stamplar, magdk
B tier: magblade, mag sorc
C tier: stam dk, stamblade

This is assuming the groups are mixed. Mag sorc would be S tier when paired with another mag sorc in my opinion and there are other combos like that that would change the tiers as well.

I don't know what game you guys are playing saying magdk is good solo open world.

Priyasekarssk

LeifErickson wrote: »

For solo open world:

S tier: stamblade, stam sorc, stam warden
A tier: mag sorc
B tier: stamplar, magplar, magblade, stamdk
C tier: magdk, magden

For small group open world (2-3):

S tier: stam warden
A tier: magplar, magden, stam sorc, stamplar, magdk
B tier: magblade, mag sorc
C tier: stam dk, stamblade

This is assuming the groups are mixed. Mag sorc would be S tier when paired with another mag sorc in my opinion and there are other combos like that that would change the tiers as well.

I don't know what game you guys are playing saying magdk is good solo open world.

Mage sorc is S or A tier & DK is bottom tier ? Trust me . People will believe and worship you.

Tryxus wrote: »

S Rank: StamBlade
A Rank: StamDen, Stam Sorc, MagBlade, MagPlar
B Rank: Stam DK, Mag Sorc, Mag DK
C Rank: StamPlar
D Rank: MagDen

I agree, except stamplar and magplar exchanged.

A Rank: StamDen, Stam Sorc, MagBlade, Stam DK , Stam NB.
B Rank: Mag DK , Stamplar ( Extremly overpowred in stamplar only group, but ok in solo)
C Rank: Mageplar,Mag Sorc
D Rank: MagDen[/quote]

NBrookus

(for CP)

OW SOLO:
Top: StamBlade, StamDen, MagBlade gank builds
Viable: MagSorc, MagDK, StamSorc, MagBlade
Hard mode: MagPlar, MagDen, StamDK, StamPlar

SMALL/MID SCALE (2-8):
Top: A collection of stamboi toons with at least one stamden plus one MagPlar for heals
Not top: Anything else

ll_Rev

Cries wrote: »

Here's how I would rank them specifically for no-CP BG's:

A tier: Stamina Warden, Magicka Sorcercer, Magicka Templar

B tier: Stamina Nightblade, Magicka Nightblade, Stamina Templar, Stamina Sorcerer, Magicka Dragonknight

C tier: Stamina Dragonknight, Magicka Warden*

*DPS, healer is A tier.

Lmao when you put magicka Templar in A tier and stamina NB in B tier.

TimeDazzler

ll_Rev wrote: »

Cries wrote: »

Here's how I would rank them specifically for no-CP BG's:

A tier: Stamina Warden, Magicka Sorcercer, Magicka Templar

B tier: Stamina Nightblade, Magicka Nightblade, Stamina Templar, Stamina Sorcerer, Magicka Dragonknight

C tier: Stamina Dragonknight, Magicka Warden*

*DPS, healer is A tier.

Lmao when you put magicka Templar in A tier and stamina NB in B tier.

For high MMR BG’s why yes—yes I did. Stamblade is no where near magplar in high MMR. And when I say high MMR I mean 30+ minute solo queue wait times.

Solariken

Cries wrote: »

ll_Rev wrote: »

Cries wrote: »

Here's how I would rank them specifically for no-CP BG's:

A tier: Stamina Warden, Magicka Sorcercer, Magicka Templar

B tier: Stamina Nightblade, Magicka Nightblade, Stamina Templar, Stamina Sorcerer, Magicka Dragonknight

C tier: Stamina Dragonknight, Magicka Warden*

*DPS, healer is A tier.

Lmao when you put magicka Templar in A tier and stamina NB in B tier.

For high MMR BG’s why yes—yes I did. Stamblade is no where near magplar in high MMR. And when I say high MMR I mean 30+ minute solo queue wait times.

Yeah this is true - stamblade is low tier for all BG modes except deathmatch, and even there magplar is much better.

Ragnarock41

ll_Rev wrote: »

Cries wrote: »

Here's how I would rank them specifically for no-CP BG's:

A tier: Stamina Warden, Magicka Sorcercer, Magicka Templar

B tier: Stamina Nightblade, Magicka Nightblade, Stamina Templar, Stamina Sorcerer, Magicka Dragonknight

C tier: Stamina Dragonknight, Magicka Warden*

*DPS, healer is A tier.

Lmao when you put magicka Templar in A tier and stamina NB in B tier.

Would you rather have a magplar in your bg group or a trashblade?

CatchMeTrolling

When did stam nb become bad for bgs ???.