Class ranking end of 2018

antihero727

@Skander Please show us on this doll where the sorc touched you? The only thing OP about sorcs ATM is the amount of unjustified #nerfsorc threads.

CyrusArya

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

When did stam nb become bad for bgs ???.

They are good for solo que but bring little to group comps. I’d much rather plug in a stamplar stamden or stam sorc.

CatchMeTrolling

CyrusArya wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

When did stam nb become bad for bgs ???.

They are good for solo que but bring little to group comps. I’d much rather plug in a stamplar stamden or stam sorc.

Some of the best small man players I’ve played with happen to be nbs, think it really depends on the players. Stam nb usefulness decreases with the more people you bring, bgs only have 8 players max to deal with. Burst, hard cc, defile and possibly troll king can compliment a group.

Automatically being a magplar doesn’t necessarily mean they compliment a team, the average Templar is more of a nuisance in bgs. Even with a high mmr you’ll notice most are healbots, you can do that exact same thing with magden. So why isn’t magden high in group comp based on support?

Lexxypwns

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

When did stam nb become bad for bgs ???.

They are good for solo que but bring little to group comps. I’d much rather plug in a stamplar stamden or stam sorc.

Some of the best small man players I’ve played with happen to be nbs, think it really depends on the players. Stam nb usefulness decreases with the more people you bring, bgs only have 8 players max to deal with. Burst, hard cc, defile and possibly troll king can compliment a group.

Automatically being a magplar doesn’t necessarily mean they compliment a team, the average Templar is more of a nuisance in bgs. Even with a high mmr you’ll notice most are healbots, you can do that exact same thing with magden. So why isn’t magden high in group comp based on support?

Purify.

Literally if there’s a stamplar or offensive Magplar in group then Magden>Magplar for heals/support

KBKB

Way off on most bar Stamden. I didn't struggle a hell of a lot when fighting them for some reason Stam sorcs seem to be my cross class counter.

However leveled a bosmer Stamden hadn't touched for about 8 months then rebuilt Vel/Eternal hunt/Marksman 2h/bow 2H5M so damn Op I went over 3 battlegrounds 46/1/? It was ridiculous I haven't since hit those heights but usually 4/5x positive KD on it. I'm a better than Average pvper imho but not to the god like status Warden has ascended me too.

Waffennacht

KBKB wrote: »

Way off on most bar Stamden. I didn't struggle a hell of a lot when fighting them for some reason Stam sorcs seem to be my cross class counter.

However leveled a bosmer Stamden hadn't touched for about 8 months then rebuilt Vel/Eternal hunt/Marksman 2h/bow 2H5M so damn Op I went over 3 battlegrounds 46/1/? It was ridiculous I haven't since hit those heights but usually 4/5x positive KD on it. I'm a better than Average pvper imho but not to the god like status Warden has ascended me too.

Stamden definitely has some great things going for it

Joy_Division

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

ll_Rev wrote: »

Cries wrote: »

Here's how I would rank them specifically for no-CP BG's:

A tier: Stamina Warden, Magicka Sorcercer, Magicka Templar

B tier: Stamina Nightblade, Magicka Nightblade, Stamina Templar, Stamina Sorcerer, Magicka Dragonknight

C tier: Stamina Dragonknight, Magicka Warden*

*DPS, healer is A tier.

Lmao when you put magicka Templar in A tier and stamina NB in B tier.

Would you rather have a magplar in your bg group or a trashblade?

If the magplar was one of those reactive types that think spamming sweeps doing 250 damage per, I'd rather have a decent stamblade.

ak_pvp

Lexxypwns wrote: »

@ak_pvp mDK and Magplar fit this meta quite fine and aren’t outdated imo. They arguably have the largest benefit from swift since it fills the only real gap in their class.

And if we’re being honest the stand your ground playstyle you’re actually taking about is more viable than it’s been in months now that you’re not perms-defiled. mDK is definitely better this patch than last

Joy_Division wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Magicka Sorcerer: Overperforming as f***k

OP would rather troll than have a productive discussion

LeifErickson wrote: »

This could have been a really good thread if it wasn't such a troll/low effort.

Let’s just make a good discussion of it regardless of him.

I mean, eh sorta. They both work OK, but not as well as others within the role.

MagDKs now play a lot like magblades, so work like that, but not as good as magblades
Magplars play a bit more unique, but not nearly as good as any stam build, they are really good for support with heal skills and purge, and more passive damage like backlash, eclipse and beam. (Beam a target your group focuses as opposed to lowering them yourself)

Stand your ground doesn't work, and that is even more so now since the meta is mobile as heck, the defile changes were better for magplars, but a MagDK or a magplar v snipe spammer is permanently defiled even still.

@Joy_Division Tag?

CatchMeTrolling

Lexxypwns wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

When did stam nb become bad for bgs ???.

They are good for solo que but bring little to group comps. I’d much rather plug in a stamplar stamden or stam sorc.

Some of the best small man players I’ve played with happen to be nbs, think it really depends on the players. Stam nb usefulness decreases with the more people you bring, bgs only have 8 players max to deal with. Burst, hard cc, defile and possibly troll king can compliment a group.

Automatically being a magplar doesn’t necessarily mean they compliment a team, the average Templar is more of a nuisance in bgs. Even with a high mmr you’ll notice most are healbots, you can do that exact same thing with magden. So why isn’t magden high in group comp based on support?

Purify.

Literally if there’s a stamplar or offensive Magplar in group then Magden>Magplar for heals/support

That’s my point, if we’re going to rank magplar high in bgs because of support then magden should be up there too. Heal wise magden is more annoying, has major defile and can run fissure. Only thing missing is purify but there’s alternatives just not as good.

Joy_Division

ak_pvp wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

@ak_pvp mDK and Magplar fit this meta quite fine and aren’t outdated imo. They arguably have the largest benefit from swift since it fills the only real gap in their class.

And if we’re being honest the stand your ground playstyle you’re actually taking about is more viable than it’s been in months now that you’re not perms-defiled. mDK is definitely better this patch than last

Joy_Division wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Magicka Sorcerer: Overperforming as f***k

OP would rather troll than have a productive discussion

LeifErickson wrote: »

This could have been a really good thread if it wasn't such a troll/low effort.

Let’s just make a good discussion of it regardless of him.

I mean, eh sorta. They both work OK, but not as well as others within the role.

MagDKs now play a lot like magblades, so work like that, but not as good as magblades
Magplars play a bit more unique, but not nearly as good as any stam build, they are really good for support with heal skills and purge, and more passive damage like backlash, eclipse and beam. (Beam a target your group focuses as opposed to lowering them yourself)

Stand your ground doesn't work, and that is even more so now since the meta is mobile as heck, the defile changes were better for magplars, but a MagDK or a magplar v snipe spammer is permanently defiled even still.

@Joy_Division Tag?

IMO, mDK and magplar have good skills and can play quite strong, so it's hard to put them in a lower tier. I do think it's hard to play them in the classic "stand your ground" philosophy without being a no damage tank. Part of that is due to nerfs (specifically templars: their melee skills are unspectacular), but in my estimation, just the nature of how the game has changed which puts an emphasis on movement.

Merlin13KAGL

Skander wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

How is mag sorc over performing right now?

You need a single cp to counter it, and only that particular class, so if you invest on it, you lose on other sides

Sorcs have double executes, stuns and teleports leaving them always one foot ahead of other classes

That's mainly it.

People always forget to mention that Execute #1 starts 5% lower than most (and is dodgeable), and 'Execute #2' starts another 5% below that.

Rune Prison can be dodged now, can it not?

And it still takes a minimum of 2 'teleports' to cover the distance of a single gap closer, if it even works right to begin with.

Fortunately, the OP is about as scientifically formulated as polling Elementary school kids why they like grilled cheese.

StamWhipCultist

idk wrote: »

Lol. So according to OP Zos has most things pretty well balanced.

And tbh, that is far from truth.

IAVITNI

ak_pvp wrote: »

For openworld, solo/small.
Vgood>good>fine>Outdated

MagDK - OK, playstyle outdated, skills good.
StamDK - OK, playstyle good, weak class skills
Magsorc - OK, playstyle fine, outdated skills
Stamsorc - Good, playstyle good, class abilities good.
Magblade - Good, playstyle fine, class abilities very good.
Stamblade - Very good, playstyle very good, abilities good.
Magplar - OK, playstyle outdated, abilities fine.
Stamplar - Weaker, playstyle fine, abilities outdated.
Magden - OK, playstyle outdated, abilities good
Stamden - Very good, playstyle good, abilities very good.

Playstyle = How it plays and can it fit meta sets etc. I.e. Heavy Stam tonk or rogyeis better on a Stamden/snb respectively than a Stamplar. Caster style with shields for mag matches nb more than Magplar.
Abilities = General potency of abilities not factoring the meta, for example talons/whip would be counted towards MagDK good skill despite meta weaknesses.

Stamplar gets my vote for weakest since it doesn't do Stam heavy tonk or rogue as well as others, and is limited skill wise even out of meta (jabs easy to avoid) with no redemption in healing either.
That said, if I was rating BGs, they would be a lot higher, making use of cqc and bleed meta playstyle really well.

Much better list than OP

I think you need to differentiate small scale from solo. That extra body really makes a difference.

Solo I'd put magden and stamDK at the bottom below stamplar. With lag and targeting issues aiming Shalks and keeping DK dots is a lot harder than aiming jabs. Stamplar has to pick their engagements a bit more, but because they actually have good and reliable damage, they are far more likely to win the fights they get into.

Not saying magden and stamDK are as bad as people say they are. A lot of that is hyperbole. But they have the least forgiving offensive rotations of all classes, which is exasperated in solo play. You miss a Shalk/let a DoT drop off and it takes a while to regain momentum. I know far more solo stamplars than magdens or stamDKs and their feats are also a lot better (due to class not player skill).

Magden shoots up significantly from solo to small scale. Best off-healers imo. A dps Magden can heal better than a dps Templar, although the Purifies will be missed. Again. Imo, since magplars need to stop dps to heal.

I'd rather have a stamplar than stamDK for small scale since they can bring a lot more damage and Repent is still a nice group skill. Duo is a little different since they can decently tank while still building for damage.

IAVITNI

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Magicka Sorc is not overperforming at this moment. They are back in their box. I'd say NBs of both specs and Stamden meta is still strong. With new addition, Stamsorcs.

What changed for the new addition to deserve such a tier raise?

Probably the high mobility, high burst and passive execute they have. With forward momentum and speed lingering pots they are very hard to catch. They do not even need swift trait for that. Additionally their high burst and passive execute make their aoe damage potential dangerous. There are already several spin-to-win builds out there, which at most time do not need more than a dawnbreaker, hurricane and steel tornado to kill people.

Everyone can use lingering speed pots. Without anything further, the difference is merely 10%, which can be reduced to 0 by one single jewelry trait. FM is also available to everyone.
I really don't see where stamsorcs are something extraordinary/ unreachable fast now. In times when it was hard to gain speed, stamsorcs where special, but I couldn't say that since summerset.

And I'd like to know where that class burst comes from. Dizzy Swing? Flying Dagger? Dawnbreaker? Non of that is class relevant. Only thing that comes close to "burst" is the energyzed passive and that has been there since when? Forever, I guess. Again, I don't see why this suddenly becomes overachieving.

But sure, Implosion was and still is a hot topic that really shines in a dot-heavy build.

When was the last time DB and Steel Tornado were changed? Or does tornado's suddens rise to popularity happend as an answer to how elusive dodge (& cloak) builds have become since some skills lost their undodgeable aspect? (especially elusive when combined with swift). BTW hurricane lost 75% of it's bonus damage a few patches ago.

All I see is a shift of popularity, not a shift in power to stam sorcs. They either already were that good or the sources of power is mitinterpreted. And I doubt that everyone didn't saw how good a class was a few patches ago.

Probably has more to do with the death of Heavy meta and the decline of dodge counters. People are just squishy enough to burst, placing blame on a class that benefits from the meta is OP instead of adapting to the met. Since sorcs sacrifice the least and can reset resources with Dark Deal, they are simply the best at bursting peeople who can't roll dodge to safety anymore.

On top of that, stam sorcs vets have the most experience with the high mobile combat meta, so that is probably a factor that is skewing perception as well.

Also Dark Deal has a delayed burst heal. Honestly, ignore everything else I just said. It's probably the ability to run FM with a burst heal. That with the stamina return and Implosion procs and the fact that potatoes just love to hate on sorcs-- so therefore stam sorc is op.

CatchMeTrolling

IAVITNI wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Magicka Sorc is not overperforming at this moment. They are back in their box. I'd say NBs of both specs and Stamden meta is still strong. With new addition, Stamsorcs.

What changed for the new addition to deserve such a tier raise?

Probably the high mobility, high burst and passive execute they have. With forward momentum and speed lingering pots they are very hard to catch. They do not even need swift trait for that. Additionally their high burst and passive execute make their aoe damage potential dangerous. There are already several spin-to-win builds out there, which at most time do not need more than a dawnbreaker, hurricane and steel tornado to kill people.

Everyone can use lingering speed pots. Without anything further, the difference is merely 10%, which can be reduced to 0 by one single jewelry trait. FM is also available to everyone.
I really don't see where stamsorcs are something extraordinary/ unreachable fast now. In times when it was hard to gain speed, stamsorcs where special, but I couldn't say that since summerset.

And I'd like to know where that class burst comes from. Dizzy Swing? Flying Dagger? Dawnbreaker? Non of that is class relevant. Only thing that comes close to "burst" is the energyzed passive and that has been there since when? Forever, I guess. Again, I don't see why this suddenly becomes overachieving.

But sure, Implosion was and still is a hot topic that really shines in a dot-heavy build.

When was the last time DB and Steel Tornado were changed? Or does tornado's suddens rise to popularity happend as an answer to how elusive dodge (& cloak) builds have become since some skills lost their undodgeable aspect? (especially elusive when combined with swift). BTW hurricane lost 75% of it's bonus damage a few patches ago.

All I see is a shift of popularity, not a shift in power to stam sorcs. They either already were that good or the sources of power is mitinterpreted. And I doubt that everyone didn't saw how good a class was a few patches ago.

Probably has more to do with the death of Heavy meta and the decline of dodge counters. People are just squishy enough to burst, placing blame on a class that benefits from the meta is OP instead of adapting to the met. Since sorcs sacrifice the least and can reset resources with Dark Deal, they are simply the best at bursting peeople who can't roll dodge to safety anymore.

On top of that, stam sorcs vets have the most experience with the high mobile combat meta, so that is probably a factor that is skewing perception as well.

Also Dark Deal has a delayed burst heal. Honestly, ignore everything else I just said. It's probably the ability to run FM with a burst heal. That with the stamina return and Implosion procs and the fact that potatoes just love to hate on sorcs-- so therefore stam sorc is op.

Stam sorc has been pretty damn good even before the swift speed meta. Spin to win Stam Sorcs/proc Stam Sorcs have been around for a few patches.

Lexxypwns

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

When did stam nb become bad for bgs ???.

They are good for solo que but bring little to group comps. I’d much rather plug in a stamplar stamden or stam sorc.

Some of the best small man players I’ve played with happen to be nbs, think it really depends on the players. Stam nb usefulness decreases with the more people you bring, bgs only have 8 players max to deal with. Burst, hard cc, defile and possibly troll king can compliment a group.

Automatically being a magplar doesn’t necessarily mean they compliment a team, the average Templar is more of a nuisance in bgs. Even with a high mmr you’ll notice most are healbots, you can do that exact same thing with magden. So why isn’t magden high in group comp based on support?

Purify.

Literally if there’s a stamplar or offensive Magplar in group then Magden>Magplar for heals/support

That’s my point, if we’re going to rank magplar high in bgs because of support then magden should be up there too. Heal wise magden is more annoying, has major defile and can run fissure. Only thing missing is purify but there’s alternatives just not as good.

Oh, Magplar is actually one of the worst healers for PvP. It’s all about the purify synergy, both Magden and Mageblade are better in terms of healing output.
I think a lot of pepole are actually underestimating Magplar offensive output, but the only thing keeping it in a high tier is Ritual imo.

@Merlin13KAGL rune cage being dodgeable isn’t much of a nerf for people that play Magika and can’t afford to keep dodging it and still CC break when it eventually hits.

CatchMeTrolling

Lexxypwns wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

When did stam nb become bad for bgs ???.

They are good for solo que but bring little to group comps. I’d much rather plug in a stamplar stamden or stam sorc.

Some of the best small man players I’ve played with happen to be nbs, think it really depends on the players. Stam nb usefulness decreases with the more people you bring, bgs only have 8 players max to deal with. Burst, hard cc, defile and possibly troll king can compliment a group.

Automatically being a magplar doesn’t necessarily mean they compliment a team, the average Templar is more of a nuisance in bgs. Even with a high mmr you’ll notice most are healbots, you can do that exact same thing with magden. So why isn’t magden high in group comp based on support?

Purify.

Literally if there’s a stamplar or offensive Magplar in group then Magden>Magplar for heals/support

That’s my point, if we’re going to rank magplar high in bgs because of support then magden should be up there too. Heal wise magden is more annoying, has major defile and can run fissure. Only thing missing is purify but there’s alternatives just not as good.

Oh, Magplar is actually one of the worst healers for PvP. It’s all about the purify synergy, both Magden and Mageblade are better in terms of healing output.
I think a lot of pepole are actually underestimating Magplar offensive output, but the only thing keeping it in a high tier is Ritual imo.

Merlin13KAGL rune cage being dodgeable isn’t much of a nerf for people that play Magika and can’t afford to keep dodging it and still CC break when it eventually hits.

It’s that, plus the fact most healers/support play magplar, when there’s a healer in a bg group it makes a big difference. Typically that healer happens to be a magplar which possibly skews their healing capabilities, plus the fact they have purge and a burst heal.

I’ve been saying magblade are the best healers and off healers. Magden the better overall support since they have hots, fissure, mitigation buff, low cost ult (can be dropped in 8 secs) burst heal, if I recall it gives a regen buff, and a defile with a delayed burst heal.

And dps wise it’s just hard for the average player to find a sweet spot for magplar and end up too squishy.

Merlin13KAGL

Lexxypwns wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

When did stam nb become bad for bgs ???.

They are good for solo que but bring little to group comps. I’d much rather plug in a stamplar stamden or stam sorc.

Some of the best small man players I’ve played with happen to be nbs, think it really depends on the players. Stam nb usefulness decreases with the more people you bring, bgs only have 8 players max to deal with. Burst, hard cc, defile and possibly troll king can compliment a group.

Automatically being a magplar doesn’t necessarily mean they compliment a team, the average Templar is more of a nuisance in bgs. Even with a high mmr you’ll notice most are healbots, you can do that exact same thing with magden. So why isn’t magden high in group comp based on support?

Purify.

Literally if there’s a stamplar or offensive Magplar in group then Magden>Magplar for heals/support

That’s my point, if we’re going to rank magplar high in bgs because of support then magden should be up there too. Heal wise magden is more annoying, has major defile and can run fissure. Only thing missing is purify but there’s alternatives just not as good.

Oh, Magplar is actually one of the worst healers for PvP. It’s all about the purify synergy, both Magden and Mageblade are better in terms of healing output.
I think a lot of pepole are actually underestimating Magplar offensive output, but the only thing keeping it in a high tier is Ritual imo.

@Merlin13KAGL rune cage being dodgeable isn’t much of a nerf for people that play Magika and can’t afford to keep dodging it and still CC break when it eventually hits.

i agree it's not much of a nerf, but it's at least a plus vs when it was not dodgeable at all.

I just meant most nerf sorc threads point out the high points but tend to neglect to mention any counter/downside/or counterpart they have.

I fully agree that Stam has the better end of the deal when it comes to non-skill (as in press a button, not player ability) required avoidance.

Skander

Without ritual magplar is a walking damage dummy

Derra

Lexxypwns wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

The “issue” with Stamden is that open world builds differ pretty noticeably from duel builds so fighting a good player 1v1 can be super annoying. That’s the only real problem it has.

Conversely this is what makes Stamplar so damn awesome. It might not overall be the best at anything, but it has such a universal kit. Literally swap one skill two tops to go from a dueling build to a small scale one to a larger group spec, whatever. So you run into a 1vX stamplar 1v1 open world and you’re pretty much facing a full on dueling kit sans trap.

Same with Stamblade and Mag sorc for the most part.

Hmm, perhaps that’s why people seem to think these specs are overperforming. It can be very difficult to deal with a duel setup when you’re in a 1vX or group build and will definitely leave you feeling weak against a similarly skilled player

WHAT?

As a magsorc for dueling i literally switch 3 core open world skills.
Conversion => gone
streak => gone
fury => gone

But more likely i´ll switch my whole build. Sorc is the class (out of all classes i play - that being magDK magNB stamsorc magsorc) that i switch the most when seriously dueling with.

ll_Rev

Cries wrote: »

ll_Rev wrote: »

Cries wrote: »

Here's how I would rank them specifically for no-CP BG's:

A tier: Stamina Warden, Magicka Sorcercer, Magicka Templar

B tier: Stamina Nightblade, Magicka Nightblade, Stamina Templar, Stamina Sorcerer, Magicka Dragonknight

C tier: Stamina Dragonknight, Magicka Warden*

*DPS, healer is A tier.

Lmao when you put magicka Templar in A tier and stamina NB in B tier.

For high MMR BG’s why yes—yes I did. Stamblade is no where near magplar in high MMR. And when I say high MMR I mean 30+ minute solo queue wait times.

why only battlegrounds? that has nothing to do with overall balance.

ll_Rev

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

ll_Rev wrote: »

Cries wrote: »

Here's how I would rank them specifically for no-CP BG's:

A tier: Stamina Warden, Magicka Sorcercer, Magicka Templar

B tier: Stamina Nightblade, Magicka Nightblade, Stamina Templar, Stamina Sorcerer, Magicka Dragonknight

C tier: Stamina Dragonknight, Magicka Warden*

*DPS, healer is A tier.

Lmao when you put magicka Templar in A tier and stamina NB in B tier.

Would you rather have a magplar in your bg group or a trashblade?

since when is class rankings about group play?

Lexxypwns

ll_Rev wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

ll_Rev wrote: »

Cries wrote: »

Here's how I would rank them specifically for no-CP BG's:

A tier: Stamina Warden, Magicka Sorcercer, Magicka Templar

B tier: Stamina Nightblade, Magicka Nightblade, Stamina Templar, Stamina Sorcerer, Magicka Dragonknight

C tier: Stamina Dragonknight, Magicka Warden*

*DPS, healer is A tier.

Lmao when you put magicka Templar in A tier and stamina NB in B tier.

Would you rather have a magplar in your bg group or a trashblade?

since when is class rankings about group play?

Since 99.99% of PVP in this game includes a group

Gilvoth

Lexxypwns wrote: »

ll_Rev wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

ll_Rev wrote: »

Cries wrote: »

Here's how I would rank them specifically for no-CP BG's:

A tier: Stamina Warden, Magicka Sorcercer, Magicka Templar

B tier: Stamina Nightblade, Magicka Nightblade, Stamina Templar, Stamina Sorcerer, Magicka Dragonknight

C tier: Stamina Dragonknight, Magicka Warden*

*DPS, healer is A tier.

Lmao when you put magicka Templar in A tier and stamina NB in B tier.

Would you rather have a magplar in your bg group or a trashblade?

since when is class rankings about group play?

Since 99.99% of PVP in this game includes a group

i dont group and from reading most of zone chat in my alliance niether does Most of my alliance.

Lexxypwns

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

ll_Rev wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

ll_Rev wrote: »

Cries wrote: »

Here's how I would rank them specifically for no-CP BG's:

A tier: Stamina Warden, Magicka Sorcercer, Magicka Templar

B tier: Stamina Nightblade, Magicka Nightblade, Stamina Templar, Stamina Sorcerer, Magicka Dragonknight

C tier: Stamina Dragonknight, Magicka Warden*

*DPS, healer is A tier.

Lmao when you put magicka Templar in A tier and stamina NB in B tier.

Would you rather have a magplar in your bg group or a trashblade?

since when is class rankings about group play?

Since 99.99% of PVP in this game includes a group

i dont group and from reading most of zone chat in my alliance niether does Most of my alliance.

Lol, sure thing

Just because you’re not in a group in game doesn’t mean you’re not grouped with other players. You literally never defend keeps? There’s never another player anywhere around you and that’s true for most of your alliance?

stop lying

CyrusArya

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Lol, sure thing

Just because you’re not in a group in game doesn’t mean you’re not grouped with other players. You literally never defend keeps? There’s never another player anywhere around you and that’s true for most of your alliance?

stop lying

Bro do you even know who you’re talking to? This is the legend that didn’t die to sloads ever in summerset. Not once.

Lexxypwns

CyrusArya wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Lol, sure thing

Just because you’re not in a group in game doesn’t mean you’re not grouped with other players. You literally never defend keeps? There’s never another player anywhere around you and that’s true for most of your alliance?

stop lying

Bro do you even know who you’re talking to? This is the legend that didn’t die to sloads ever in summerset. Not once.

Oh, he doesn’t PvP in groups because he doesn’t PvP. Thanks for clearing that up @CyrusArya

Gilvoth

i only pvp in eso, i dont like the pve in eso, i came here for the pvp. and i do not group. hate groups, love the solo aspect of cryodiil.
as for the zone chat, all the time i see people saying in zone chat that they prefer Not to Group. and it has even become a joke with many and often when they say "NLFG".
meaning Not Looking For Group, because often you see lower levels trying to spam group invites and people hate it, as most of us prefer solo.

Ragnarock41

ll_Rev wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

ll_Rev wrote: »

Cries wrote: »

Here's how I would rank them specifically for no-CP BG's:

A tier: Stamina Warden, Magicka Sorcercer, Magicka Templar

B tier: Stamina Nightblade, Magicka Nightblade, Stamina Templar, Stamina Sorcerer, Magicka Dragonknight

C tier: Stamina Dragonknight, Magicka Warden*

*DPS, healer is A tier.

Lmao when you put magicka Templar in A tier and stamina NB in B tier.

Would you rather have a magplar in your bg group or a trashblade?

since when is class rankings about group play?

Since always. There is a reason this game isn't balanced based on duels.

If you still question my reasoning, you can think about why stamden is considered god tier but stamDK is considered bottom, despite the fact that stamDk is actually a better solo class. Obviously solo performance matters, but to a certain degree, and the more people around, the less effective you get.. Even when you're fighting against 4 man aoe trains in Battlegrounds a stamDk or a stamblade will not help you at all because both classes are single target with little to zero group utility.

LeifErickson

CyrusArya wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Lol, sure thing

Just because you’re not in a group in game doesn’t mean you’re not grouped with other players. You literally never defend keeps? There’s never another player anywhere around you and that’s true for most of your alliance?

stop lying

Bro do you even know who you’re talking to? This is the legend that didn’t die to sloads ever in summerset. Not once.

Did you read his signature? He wants sneak speeds increased. I think from that you can tell what kind of player he is.