Class ranking end of 2018

ChefZero

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i only pvp in eso, i dont like the pve in eso, i came here for the pvp. and i do not group. hate groups, love the solo aspect of cryodiil.
as for the zone chat, all the time i see people saying in zone chat that they prefer Not to Group. and it has even become a joke with many and often when they say "NLFG".
meaning Not Looking For Group, because often you see lower levels trying to spam group invites and people hate it, as most of us prefer solo.

Attitudes like this destroy every pvp game in long term. People come to a group based PvP game, try to group up with somebody, encounter a toxic community and leave.

The thing is, not only the publishers are responsible for making a game successful. The community as well.

Gilvoth

we have had zero problems running solo, in the past 5 years, they advertise as "play as u want to"
we play solo because we want to, it is not poisening anything.
harms nothing.

CatchMeTrolling

Zerg surfing 24-7 isn’t playing solo. That’s exactly what the average player does, nothing wrong with it , that’s just cyrodiil. But can’t say they’re playing solo, just not grouped.

Priyasekarssk

Cries wrote: »

Here's how I would rank them specifically for no-CP BG's:

A tier: Stamina Warden, Magicka Sorcercer, Magicka Templar

B tier: Stamina Nightblade, Magicka Nightblade, Stamina Templar, Stamina Sorcerer, Magicka Dragonknight

C tier: Stamina Dragonknight, Magicka Warden*

*DPS, healer is A tier.

Complete garbage from a night blade. NBs desperate cry for supremacy with full of lies.

Sergykid

Cries wrote: »

Here's how I would rank them specifically for no-CP BG's:

A tier: Stamina Warden, Magicka Sorcercer, Magicka Templar[...]

can u tell me this build where u see magplar being A tier in ur opinion? i am running shacklebreaker heavy with rattlecage and shadowrend or sometimes engine guardian, 2h sword with jabs and DBoS, and i ain't quite as powerful as u describe

Skander

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

we have had zero problems running solo, in the past 5 years, they advertise as "play as u want to"
we play solo because we want to, it is not poisening anything.
harms nothing.

Solo is dead, if you aren't a nightblade or a sorc

CyrusArya

Skander wrote: »

Solo is dead, if you aren't a nightblade or a sorc

You can successfully 1vX on any class as of this moment. Some are harder than others, and solo in general is more frustrating. But 1vX is definitely possible on any class and spec. And I’m talking about vs max rank geared players too.

So no solo isn’t dead at all. It’s just, for me personally, the fun appeal of duo or small scale is significantly higher.

Aedaryl

Skander wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

we have had zero problems running solo, in the past 5 years, they advertise as "play as u want to"
we play solo because we want to, it is not poisening anything.
harms nothing.

Solo is dead, if you aren't a nightblade or a sorc

A Sorc ? The mag one that get outpeed by the 5 stamina classes ?

thankyourat

Derra wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

The “issue” with Stamden is that open world builds differ pretty noticeably from duel builds so fighting a good player 1v1 can be super annoying. That’s the only real problem it has.

Conversely this is what makes Stamplar so damn awesome. It might not overall be the best at anything, but it has such a universal kit. Literally swap one skill two tops to go from a dueling build to a small scale one to a larger group spec, whatever. So you run into a 1vX stamplar 1v1 open world and you’re pretty much facing a full on dueling kit sans trap.

Same with Stamblade and Mag sorc for the most part.

Hmm, perhaps that’s why people seem to think these specs are overperforming. It can be very difficult to deal with a duel setup when you’re in a 1vX or group build and will definitely leave you feeling weak against a similarly skilled player

WHAT?

As a magsorc for dueling i literally switch 3 core open world skills.
Conversion => gone
streak => gone
fury => gone

But more likely i´ll switch my whole build. Sorc is the class (out of all classes i play - that being magDK magNB stamsorc magsorc) that i switch the most when seriously dueling with.

But mag sorc is excellent in open world 1v1s when both players are geared for open world. Stamblade is the same way its not very good against actual dueling builds but it's strong against open world builds. I believe this is why these classes are so popular. In actually duels where no one is worried about mobility and regen these classes can feel kind of weak but once the other classes start making sacrifices to build viable open world builds they can have a really hard time dealing with these two classes

technohic

I’m trying to figure out when magblade became far below stamblade and stamden open world. Or when stam sorc will be recognized as being pretty damned good. I think it has to do with low floors.

Open world in general sense independent of group right now I’d have

Stamblade
Stamden

magblade

Magdk
Stam sorc
Stamplar
Magsorc

Magplar

Stam DK

Magden.


Only thing wrong with magblade is on players who want to only run ranged and they run into DKs or Wardens projectile counter. Otherwise they have all the utilities if stamblade but able to use more of it in exchange for a little burst.

Magplar I’m close to bumping up into the near balanced group and magdks are close to going up one.

Group play; I’d put magplars a lot higher and stamblade lower


If I rated it off what I have the hardest time against; Stamden And magdk would be the tops. Trying to level them now to learn.

Lexxypwns

CyrusArya wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Solo is dead, if you aren't a nightblade or a sorc

You can successfully 1vX on any class as of this moment. Some are harder than others, and solo in general is more frustrating. But 1vX is definitely possible on any class and spec. And I’m talking about vs max rank geared players too.

So no solo isn’t dead at all. It’s just, for me personally, the fun appeal of duo or small scale is significantly higher.

He didn’t even mention the best 1vX spec lol.

This guy is just out here trolling everyone.

Slack

technohic wrote: »

Stamblade
Stamden

magblade

Magdk
Stam sorc
Stamplar
Magsorc

Magplar

Stam DK

Magden.

Wanted to make an own list, saw yours and agree 100% on it.

Though I got to say, in my opinion the classes are fairly well balanced as they are now. Sure, some things like sweeps are a bit buggy and need to be fixed.
But from a pure power-potential-perspective the difference is not that big.
Every class and spec got their tools which can make it good, you just have to find out how to use them and invest some time

technohic

Slack wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Stamblade
Stamden

magblade

Magdk
Stam sorc
Stamplar
Magsorc

Magplar

Stam DK

Magden.

Wanted to make an own list, saw yours and agree 100% on it.

Though I got to say, in my opinion the classes are fairly well balanced as they are now. Sure, some things like sweeps are a bit buggy and need to be fixed.
But from a pure power-potential-perspective the difference is not that big.
Every class and spec got their tools which can make it good, you just have to find out how to use them and invest some time

Yeah. As far as when I play what I have: it’s about familiarity. My Stamplar will be as good or better than my NB because I play it the most; but there’s just some crutches I get on the NB as far as when I get in trouble. Sometimes I dislike playing my NB because I wind up a bit sloppy when I get back to my Stamplar

ll_Rev

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

ll_Rev wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

ll_Rev wrote: »

Cries wrote: »

Here's how I would rank them specifically for no-CP BG's:

A tier: Stamina Warden, Magicka Sorcercer, Magicka Templar

B tier: Stamina Nightblade, Magicka Nightblade, Stamina Templar, Stamina Sorcerer, Magicka Dragonknight

C tier: Stamina Dragonknight, Magicka Warden*

*DPS, healer is A tier.

Lmao when you put magicka Templar in A tier and stamina NB in B tier.

Would you rather have a magplar in your bg group or a trashblade?

since when is class rankings about group play?

Since always. There is a reason this game isn't balanced based on duels.

If you still question my reasoning, you can think about why stamden is considered god tier but stamDK is considered bottom, despite the fact that stamDk is actually a better solo class. Obviously solo performance matters, but to a certain degree, and the more people around, the less effective you get.. Even when you're fighting against 4 man aoe trains in Battlegrounds a stamDk or a stamblade will not help you at all because both classes are single target with little to zero group utility.

stam dk is not better than stam warden solo, and no this game is not only balanced around group play, you're dissproving you're own point by saying stamblade has zero group utility.

IZZEFlameLash

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

ll_Rev wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

ll_Rev wrote: »

Cries wrote: »

Here's how I would rank them specifically for no-CP BG's:

A tier: Stamina Warden, Magicka Sorcercer, Magicka Templar

B tier: Stamina Nightblade, Magicka Nightblade, Stamina Templar, Stamina Sorcerer, Magicka Dragonknight

C tier: Stamina Dragonknight, Magicka Warden*

*DPS, healer is A tier.

Lmao when you put magicka Templar in A tier and stamina NB in B tier.

Would you rather have a magplar in your bg group or a trashblade?

since when is class rankings about group play?

Since always. There is a reason this game isn't balanced based on duels.

If you still question my reasoning, you can think about why stamden is considered god tier but stamDK is considered bottom, despite the fact that stamDk is actually a better solo class. Obviously solo performance matters, but to a certain degree, and the more people around, the less effective you get.. Even when you're fighting against 4 man aoe trains in Battlegrounds a stamDk or a stamblade will not help you at all because both classes are single target with little to zero group utility.

I have to disagree that StamDK is better than Stamden in solo. I survive far longer on my Stamden than I do on my StamDK with the same setup making it better for 1vX.

Lexxypwns

@Ragnarock41 is wild crazy thinking sDK>Stam warden solo.

Unless you mean dueling with open world builds...

templesus

in 1vX - NOT Dueling - imo it goes like this:

S Rank: Stamblade
A Rank: Stamden
B Rank: StamSorc, MagSorc
C Rank: Stamplar, StamDk, Magblade
D Rank: Magplar, MagDk
F Rank: Magden


Anyone who has 1vXed on a Magplar, MagDk or Magden knows just how bad those specs are OW and how they're pigeonholed into certain playstyles and even sets. Magblade is ok with a high floor and high ceiling. Stamplar and StamDk are in similar situations while both having strong points and very weak points as well. The rest is self explanatory.

LeifErickson

templesus wrote: »

in 1vX - NOT Dueling - imo it goes like this:

S Rank: Stamblade
A Rank: Stamden
B Rank: StamSorc, MagSorc
C Rank: Stamplar, StamDk, Magblade
D Rank: Magplar, MagDk
F Rank: Magden


Anyone who has 1vXed on a Magplar, MagDk or Magden knows just how bad those specs are OW and how they're pigeonholed into certain playstyles and even sets. Magblades is ok with a high floor and ceiling, stamplar and Stam dk are in similar situations while both having strong points and very weak points as well. The rest is self explanatory.

Really like this list.

Jjitsuboy98

templesus wrote: »

in 1vX - NOT Dueling - imo it goes like this:

S Rank: Stamblade
A Rank: Stamden
B Rank: StamSorc, MagSorc
C Rank: Stamplar, StamDk, Magblade
D Rank: Magplar, MagDk
F Rank: Magden


Anyone who has 1vXed on a Magplar, MagDk or Magden knows just how bad those specs are OW and how they're pigeonholed into certain playstyles and even sets. Magblade is ok with a high floor and high ceiling. Stamplar and StamDk are in similar situations while both having strong points and very weak points as well. The rest is self explanatory.

What about Xv1 builds? Still stamblade with cloak, snipe, and an oak tree.....oh okay......

IZZEFlameLash

templesus wrote: »

in 1vX - NOT Dueling - imo it goes like this:

S Rank: Stamblade
A Rank: Stamden
B Rank: StamSorc, MagSorc
C Rank: Stamplar, StamDk, Magblade
D Rank: Magplar, MagDk
F Rank: Magden


Anyone who has 1vXed on a Magplar, MagDk or Magden knows just how bad those specs are OW and how they're pigeonholed into certain playstyles and even sets. Magblade is ok with a high floor and high ceiling. Stamplar and StamDk are in similar situations while both having strong points and very weak points as well. The rest is self explanatory.

Looks the most accurate representation atm. MDK and mTemplars are just bad solo open world basically no matter what you do. You just have to pray that they are completely potato with potato builds like all divines light attack spammer.

technohic

templesus wrote: »

in 1vX - NOT Dueling - imo it goes like this:

S Rank: Stamblade
A Rank: Stamden
B Rank: StamSorc, MagSorc
C Rank: Stamplar, StamDk, Magblade
D Rank: Magplar, MagDk
F Rank: Magden


Anyone who has 1vXed on a Magplar, MagDk or Magden knows just how bad those specs are OW and how they're pigeonholed into certain playstyles and even sets. Magblade is ok with a high floor and high ceiling. Stamplar and StamDk are in similar situations while both having strong points and very weak points as well. The rest is self explanatory.

Magicka alone in Cyrodiil can have issues due to a lot of 1vx fights happening around resources with NPCs spamming the *** out of negate like its not an ultimate or anything.

Im anxious to try running a magplar again and a magdk though. I have 3 swift on my stamplar and its gone up to awesome levels. Was drunk as hell and ran into a NB who just flipped a resource tower and I couldnt stay focused on a single target given my RL disorientation status so I was jabbing into thin air and facing the wrong direction but when I got in trouble; I managed to run him and possibly every NPC around the tower while I healed up.

Anyway; point being I think swift could rally help a MDK and Magplars viability.

Waffennacht

technohic wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

in 1vX - NOT Dueling - imo it goes like this:

S Rank: Stamblade
A Rank: Stamden
B Rank: StamSorc, MagSorc
C Rank: Stamplar, StamDk, Magblade
D Rank: Magplar, MagDk
F Rank: Magden


Anyone who has 1vXed on a Magplar, MagDk or Magden knows just how bad those specs are OW and how they're pigeonholed into certain playstyles and even sets. Magblade is ok with a high floor and high ceiling. Stamplar and StamDk are in similar situations while both having strong points and very weak points as well. The rest is self explanatory.

Magicka alone in Cyrodiil can have issues due to a lot of 1vx fights happening around resources with NPCs spamming the *** out of negate like its not an ultimate or anything.

Im anxious to try running a magplar again and a magdk though. I have 3 swift on my stamplar and its gone up to awesome levels. Was drunk as hell and ran into a NB who just flipped a resource tower and I couldnt stay focused on a single target given my RL disorientation status so I was jabbing into thin air and facing the wrong direction but when I got in trouble; I managed to run him and possibly every NPC around the tower while I healed up.

Anyway; point being I think swift could rally help a MDK and Magplars viability.

Swift seems mandatory on Templar imo

The_Brosteen

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

ll_Rev wrote: »

Cries wrote: »

Here's how I would rank them specifically for no-CP BG's:

A tier: Stamina Warden, Magicka Sorcercer, Magicka Templar

B tier: Stamina Nightblade, Magicka Nightblade, Stamina Templar, Stamina Sorcerer, Magicka Dragonknight

C tier: Stamina Dragonknight, Magicka Warden*

*DPS, healer is A tier.

Lmao when you put magicka Templar in A tier and stamina NB in B tier.

Would you rather have a magplar in your bg group or a trashblade?

I'll take a Breath of life with a side of readily available purifries please

Skander

The_Brosteen wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

ll_Rev wrote: »

Cries wrote: »

Here's how I would rank them specifically for no-CP BG's:

A tier: Stamina Warden, Magicka Sorcercer, Magicka Templar

B tier: Stamina Nightblade, Magicka Nightblade, Stamina Templar, Stamina Sorcerer, Magicka Dragonknight

C tier: Stamina Dragonknight, Magicka Warden*

*DPS, healer is A tier.

Lmao when you put magicka Templar in A tier and stamina NB in B tier.

Would you rather have a magplar in your bg group or a trashblade?

I'll take a Breath of life with a side of readily available purifries please

the real mvp on magplars is eclipse. Else it's just a way to not die instantly

Chilly-McFreeze

So, anyone cares to update their rankings now with the shield changes?

mojomood

NBrookus wrote: »

(for CP)

OW SOLO:
Top: StamBlade, StamDen, MagBlade gank builds
Viable: MagSorc, MagDK, StamSorc, MagBlade
Hard mode: MagPlar, MagDen, StamDK, StamPlar

SMALL/MID SCALE (2-8):
Top: A collection of stamboi toons with at least one stamden plus one MagPlar for heals
Not top: Anything else

Totally agree on Small/Mid Scale. The stam meta + heals is just so strong.

On OW Solo though, I feel like that is a comparison using the top 5% of players in each class. I think the mean would be a little different if you removed top tier players and noobs. For instance, a top tier Magblade would be in the Top category in OW, but that is because the ceiling for that class is very high and few can do it. There may be 1 top tier OW magblade per 10 top tier OW MagSorcs. It's just easier to be good with a MagSorc in OW than it is a Magblade. The average Magblade is Hard mode in OW due to the complexity in achieving survival and burst.

For instance, a MagSorc's survival is staying at max range and streaking or shield stacking. A magblade has multiple skills (including both class ultimates) that require melee range, does not have a class shield, and can't reactively streak as teleporting has to be down to port back to. Burst is the same way since MagSorcs have multiple delayed burst options plus a pre-execute and a passive execute compared to a MagBlades main burst tool is reflectable and requires 5 light attacks to proc. I'm not bashing Sorcs or saying MagBlades aren't bursty, I'm just saying I find more sorcs with a higher percentage of them being competent than I find magblades in open world. I wouldn't put those two in the same tier.

Same as I wouldn't put Magden on a tier with anything else. Also, because StamDens are so good, people say StamDKs are aweful, but I believe they are still very viable. Being at the bottom of the stam classes doesn't mean that they aren't better than MagDens and MagPlars in solo OW.

templesus

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

So, anyone cares to update their rankings now with the shield changes?

I would have to test on PTS, but there is no PTS for console. Imo people are overreacting, the play style is going to change for sorc and nightblade for sure but good players are also good theory crafters and will make it work.

There was a time when magplar was strictly a dw/snb heavy armor class. Now its shifted to a new meta of lightning/snb with a majority of the population in light. Changes happen, players adapt.

Ragnarock41

Lexxypwns wrote: »

@Ragnarock41 is wild crazy thinking sDK>Stam warden solo.

Unless you mean dueling with open world builds...

To be real stamDK is absolutely garbage tier outside of tanking aspects(god tier tank, no denying, but who tf cares about tanks?) ,but if I tell that I will be ignored so I have to act like I think its decent at something :P

Solo play for stamDK to me, means dueling other solo players anyways so I guess we're both right in this case lol.

Phiathornsyldol

So , after the patch notes, things will change a little. For example, Mag sorc will be in Z-tier (or even below the whole English alphabet)

Skander

Magsorc shield delay will be reverted. So nothing will change much