ESO Lore Names in character names not allowed anymore
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Those are often in their 60s-70s and are less advanced PC users than an average ESO player. Though once I indeed witnessed a player (not in ESO tho) who could fall for something like this..... but later he revealed to the guild that he had a serious mental disability. However such people are still quite rare, at least in my personal experience.Believe it or not, yes, there are people that would give up that information. There are still people who fall for the Nigerian prince scam.
Are they worried that someone will make an ingame RP movie and then monetize is on the youtube? I'm actually now genuinely curious what is in the root of such rule.Other MMO’s I’ve played have not allowed players to name their characters after in-game NPC’s, probably to protect their intellectual property rights. Actually I’m surprised they allowed it at all for a period of time
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✭✭✭✭✭StormChaser3000 wrote: »Those are often in their 60s-70s and are less advanced PC users than an average ESO player. Though once I indeed witnessed a player (not in ESO tho) who could fall for something like this..... but later he revealed to the guild that he had a serious mental disability. However such people are still quite rare, at least in my personal experience.
Are they worried that someone will make an ingame RP movie and then monetize is on the youtube? I'm actually now genuinely curious what is in the root of such rule.
@StormChaser3000 : Hmph. I got my first PC in 1984 and my first CRPG in 1985. I've been building machines, playing games, and designing/maintaining websites for my client stable since then. So while I fit your age demographic, I don't fit the rest of it. I don't have any problem not falling for scam crap. I actually don't know anyone my age who HAS fallen for it. Perhaps it's not as common as made out to be, I don't know.
Now, what I'm not very good with is smart phones. I don't have one. I have a 10 year old flip phone which I use only when away from home and in case of emergency on the road or outside of our area. Several reasons for that: first, I have no cell, internet or tv service at the house - no LOS to the towers, with several pretty high altitude magnetic ridges in the way. Second, I really hate phones period (including the land line). Third, I have a desktop and two laptops - I have no interest in trying to use a phone as a computer. Fourth, even if all the above didn't obtain, I would absolutely refuse to be at anyone's beck and call 24 hours a day the way the rest of our families and everyone else we know are - am I addicted to my computer? Yep. However, I would never be addicted to a 6 inch screen!
I guarantee you however, that if I needed to use a smart phone (for instance if I had to "un-retire" and go back to work), I'd be able to figure it out in short order.
@Ashtaris: It's an oddity I think - I mean only someone with no knowledge of ownership would try to monetize on youtube with property from ESO (and I suppose there might be people that clueless - as well, there are those elsewhere who simply don't care whose property they're infringing on). Back on the old Beth forums a number of us posted fan fiction set in TES (mostly Skyrim, but also Oblivion and Morrowind). None of the great moderators there ever said anything to me or any of the rest of us, and as far as I'm aware, none of the actual Beth personnel did either. Of course, it was likely obvious that none of us were attempting to monetize their IP. And none of us ever even considered adding a copyright line! I did add copyright info to my other fiction I posted occasionally - but not fanfic stuff, but that was it.
[Edited for typos and clarity.]
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StormChaser3000✭✭✭✭✭
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I didn't mean that 100% of your age group are like that. I meant that it is more vulnerable based on the research I've done before posting my comment. Glutin was right, it is rare, but it does happen unfortunately.
I believe you that are good with computers, plus I also know a lot of people myself of that age bracket who feel themselves like a fish in the water at the PC. But not everyone are like you and them. One of my personal examples: I still can't unsee how during my first visit to the new dentist his silver haired lady-assistant was adding information about me into the system by slowly typing with one finger...:) What BS she eventually typed there is a separate hilarious story... But it's too long and I don't want to derail the topic. But just imagine now what can be the level of some of those who have... less "sophisticated" jobs and minds.0 -
albesca✭✭✭✭✭LadyNalcarya wrote: »Well, those "Boethias and Nocturnals" could be used as "npcs" in the story, not as main characters, much like in tabletop rpgs.
And why cant they rp as Silvenar and Green Lady, for example? People like creating stories about characters they like, that's why fanfiction is a thing. I can understand that ZOS wouldnt want to see copies of characters that belong to other companies due to legal reasons, but if we're talking about TES characters, whats the problem?
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I admit I have no idea about how role playing works in a MMORPG, but I think it is something that plays out (also, if not mainly) in the open world, so I think that the possibility of meeting multiple instances of characters taken from lore or outright appearing in game would break the immersion a bit.
For example, what happens if a She Ogo Rath meets a Sheaw Gorath while roleplaying in the same group/zone? They duel to establish who's the real one? They throw a fit like two ladies with the same dress at a party? They quietly ignore each other?
The general idea is that some characters should be unique, although I realize that unique and MMO games just don't go together.PC EU
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Rukia541✭✭✭✭✭Your character still looks hilarious at least xD
e; make it some type of anagramEdited by Rukia541 on September 15, 2018 9:14AM0 -
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Edited by Glurin on September 15, 2018 9:43AM"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."0 -
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I admit I have no idea about how role playing works in a MMORPG, but I think it is something that plays out (also, if not mainly) in the open world, so I think that the possibility of meeting multiple instances of characters taken from lore or outright appearing in game would break the immersion a bit.
For example, what happens if a She Ogo Rath meets a Sheaw Gorath while roleplaying in the same group/zone? They duel to establish who's the real one? They throw a fit like two ladies with the same dress at a party? They quietly ignore each other?
The general idea is that some characters should be unique, although I realize that unique and MMO games just don't go together.
Well, I do not roleplay, but I dont think that every rper is "in character" 24/7.
It's just... Player's freedom is one of the main selling points of TES series, it's kinda stupid to put this kind of limitations. Fanart and fanfiction are also super popular, which proves that people like to "copy" their favorite characters and create "what if" scenarios with them.
We also dont know what's the extent of this rule. For example, my account name and character names are based on existing characters and there are many other people who use UESP lists to name their chars. According to this rule, we all can be forced to rename our characters if someone reports us. OP's situation sets a very unhealthy precedent I think.Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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✭✭✭Oof, now they're nerfing names too~
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✭Girl_Number8 wrote: »Oof, now they're nerfing names too~
Oh boy. Fun.
Seriously ZOS let us keep our names instead of a forced change months or YEARS after we make our character!1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭StormChaser3000 wrote: »Are they worried that someone will make an ingame RP movie and then monetize is on the youtube? I'm actually now genuinely curious what is in the root of such rule.
It's probably a liability issue, ironically enough.
So, this goes back almost a decade. Marvel sued Cryptic (or Atari, I don't remember which, I'm going to assume Cryptic for the rest because otherwise it would be Cryptic/Atari, so this is faster) because people were recreating Marvel characters in Champions Online using the character creation tools, claiming the action was copyright or trademark infringement (I can't remember which.) It kinda was. The specific case torpedoed when it turned out that the in game characters Marvel's lawyers were citing had been created by investigators working for Marvel's legal team. Unclean hands and all that.
Now, that ended with three part test. Name, appearance, backstory (CO allowed you write up a quick biography for your character, which could be viewed by other players when they inspected you.) If you met two of the three on your character, that was considered to be infringing, and you would be forced to change them.
That was a settlement between Cryptic and Marvel. It's still up in the air, but as a developer you can potentially get sued for using someone else's IP as a character name in your MMO.
Now, it's not likely to happen, the spat between Cryptic and Marvel came from CO starting development under contract with Marvel, and then one, or both, parties split, so the suit looks way less like a legitimate tort, and more like retribution.
Now, ZOS isn't going to get sued by Zenimax over someone using Pelinal Whitestrake as a character name. That's not going to happen. They could, theoretically, get sued over someone naming their character Captain Kirk, Luke Skywalker, Spiderman, or any number of other trademarked characters.
At that point, it's way easier to simply say, "no, you can't use any names from fiction, including ours," than it is to partition out which rights you expect problems from and which ones you don't.
If all of this sounds kinda absurd... it's because it kinda is. But, as an attorney, never let logic and reason stand in the way of vigorously defending your client's legitimate interests. I'd say, "racking up billable hours," but, for most IP lawyers this is really motivated by being able to get your client a payday.2 -
A name is just a name, so I don't understand why there is such a problem. Anyone can see that other players are not Npcs pretty clearly. As long as it's not offensive to anyone, it should be fine to use any name.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »
It's probably a liability issue, ironically enough.
So, this goes back almost a decade. Marvel sued Cryptic (or Atari, I don't remember which, I'm going to assume Cryptic for the rest because otherwise it would be Cryptic/Atari, so this is faster) because people were recreating Marvel characters in Champions Online using the character creation tools, claiming the action was copyright or trademark infringement (I can't remember which.) It kinda was. The specific case torpedoed when it turned out that the in game characters Marvel's lawyers were citing had been created by investigators working for Marvel's legal team. Unclean hands and all that.
Now, that ended with three part test. Name, appearance, backstory (CO allowed you write up a quick biography for your character, which could be viewed by other players when they inspected you.) If you met two of the three on your character, that was considered to be infringing, and you would be forced to change them.
That was a settlement between Cryptic and Marvel. It's still up in the air, but as a developer you can potentially get sued for using someone else's IP as a character name in your MMO.
Now, it's not likely to happen, the spat between Cryptic and Marvel came from CO starting development under contract with Marvel, and then one, or both, parties split, so the suit looks way less like a legitimate tort, and more like retribution.
Now, ZOS isn't going to get sued by Zenimax over someone using Pelinal Whitestrake as a character name. That's not going to happen. They could, theoretically, get sued over someone naming their character Captain Kirk, Luke Skywalker, Spiderman, or any number of other trademarked characters.
At that point, it's way easier to simply say, "no, you can't use any names from fiction, including ours," than it is to partition out which rights you expect problems from and which ones you don't.
If all of this sounds kinda absurd... it's because it kinda is. But, as an attorney, never let logic and reason stand in the way of vigorously defending your client's legitimate interests. I'd say, "racking up billable hours," but, for most IP lawyers this is really motivated by being able to get your client a payday.
Interesting. While I've never been involved in getting a name whacked because reported, I also haven't ever really pushed that envelope - because all my girls start in my mind, and when I get a look I'm happy with in chargen, generally I also have a name that "belongs" to her.
My girls' names are never game specific really - though I do use the UESP name pages for "patterning", which is limited to how the in game names "sound" (that is syllabically). Once a name from my mind "sounds" like it could belong to TES/ESO, I'll generally go with it (unless I think I've heard it somewhere else - like Ishara Meradin....); sometimes I don't have to access UESP - generally Bosmer names just come to me during chargen, and I go with them.
And sometimes, like with Ishara Meradin, I'll do a google search, just to be on the safe side!
As I said, I have thousands of names in file for fiction, for games, whatever. Some of them sound more like TES/ESO than other games.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »
Remember the guy who used to run around with Gamemaster in their name?
Who cares. Zos has always forced players to change their character names when the clearly inappropriate name was reported to them.
What happened with OP is no different. It is a copyrighted name yet he seems to feel entitled to use it since he is clearly upset Zos made him change it. It is common games force character name changes for the very same reason.2 -
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Who cares. Zos has always forced players to change their character names when the clearly inappropriate name was reported to them.
What happened with OP is no different. It is a copyrighted name yet he seems to feel entitled to use it since he is clearly upset Zos made him change it. It is common games force character name changes for the very same reason.
Exactly, though the guy who realized Gamemaster wasn't restricted was pretty funny. I wasn't picking a fight with you.0 -
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✭Now that's just silly.
I'm waiting for my notification that I need to change my forum name now. Hurry up, I don't have all day.1 -
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✭✭✭PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »Now that's just silly.
I'm waiting for my notification that I need to change my forum name now. Hurry up, I don't have all day.
Surprisingly, they don't act on forum names the same as they do on in-game names.Runs| Orc Nightblade • Chim-el Adabal| Dunmer Templar • M'air the Honest| Khajiit Templar
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✭I made an character named "Donelf-Turump" and after all these years some *** at ZOS decided to change it's name without giving me the option of changing the name myself like they used to.Master Debater1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »Now that's just silly.
I'm waiting for my notification that I need to change my forum name now. Hurry up, I don't have all day.
It's because you're Batman.
But, seriously, they don't care about usernames, or I'd be on the chopping block, but they do care about character names. Again, I think this is a liability issue, but I'm not positive.0 -
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Well, I doubt they're actively looking for those particular names. I've seen some names with Padomay in it, a few Umarils and other Elder Scrolls related names... Magnus... even a Gandalf the Fabulous.starkerealm wrote: »
It's because you're Batman.
But, seriously, they don't care about usernames, or I'd be on the chopping block, but they do care about character names. Again, I think this is a liability issue, but I'm not positive.0 -
arpadsweb16_ESO✭✭✭I like how they advertise and charge money for people to dress up like Lore characters, morph into them in the form of costumes as well as obtaining iconic artifact appearances, but having an Elder Scrolls name is a big no-no.
Hypocrisy at its finest.0 -
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✭✭arpadsweb16_ESO wrote: »I like how they advertise and charge money for people to dress up like Lore characters, morph into them in the form of costumes as well as obtaining iconic artifact appearances, but having an Elder Scrolls name is a big no-no.
Hypocrisy at its finest.
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AuraNebula✭✭✭✭✭MehrunesFlagon wrote: »That would include a good portion of my characters too since they are named after GOT characters.
Ditto. But I use old Targaryen names from history. Also this chart from reddit is amazing!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/7ah4xc/spoilers_extended_i_made_nearly_every_possible/0
