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ZOS Please remove taunt from ice staff heavy attack
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Silver_Strider✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No.
In fact, I want an ability that allows me to transfer all the aggro that I currently have and place it on another person entirely so I can kill the Dumb*** with the Ice Staff even quicker and not have to deal with their tomfoolery because they couldn't be bothered to read a line of text.Edited by Silver_Strider on August 25, 2018 7:06AMArgonian forever2 -
Azuramoonstar✭✭✭✭Mephisto939 wrote: »Or at least make the taunt a morph of one of the destro skills no one uses like force shock or destructive touch.
no thanks i prefer the ice staff taunt. It allows me to slot more skills that maybe more useful and it is easier to use imo.
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Azuramoonstar✭✭✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »itd be nice if it did more damage or something to frosted enemies with ice damage long as you had a ability from destro staff.
it balanced ok, it puts a shield up with every hit even if the taunt is immune. if you are good, you can keep that shield up a good bit just press and hold for heavy attack as you weave in your slotted skills between hits. as of right now I can taunt enemies easy, keep my hp up with my healing skills keep my b/f up (unless he rolls out of my line of sight) while keeping the shield up and my resources up.Long time mmo player: 2004-[current year]
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✭✭✭✭✭Mephisto939 wrote: »
My magwarden is set up the exact same way (no frost staff though).Mephisto939 wrote: »
Probably gonna say "not BIS", "Why play Warden? Lol", or something to that effect .
Edit: Now granted, I only decided to level a Wardy during the last 2xEXP event. Plus, I needed an excuse to level a new character for the leveling rewards.
actually there are a couple of players, which have been waiting to play an ice mage (u get flame via dk, lightning via sorc), winterborn and warden are ideal for that. its a pitty they cant play it, i agree on that.
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Azuramoonstar✭✭✭✭Dont_do_drugs wrote: »Mephisto939 wrote: »
My magwarden is set up the exact same way (no frost staff though).Mephisto939 wrote: »
Probably gonna say "not BIS", "Why play Warden? Lol", or something to that effect .
Edit: Now granted, I only decided to level a Wardy during the last 2xEXP event. Plus, I needed an excuse to level a new character for the leveling rewards.
actually there are a couple of players, which have been waiting to play an ice mage (u get flame via dk, lightning via sorc), winterborn and warden are ideal for that. its a pitty they cant play it, i agree on that.
you can do that with out putting points into tri force. tbh if you look at the skills for warden most the winter skill set has tank in mind. which is why they added the taunt to ice staff.Long time mmo player: 2004-[current year]
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✭✭✭✭✭Azuramoonstar wrote: »Dont_do_drugs wrote: »Mephisto939 wrote: »
My magwarden is set up the exact same way (no frost staff though).Mephisto939 wrote: »
Probably gonna say "not BIS", "Why play Warden? Lol", or something to that effect .
Edit: Now granted, I only decided to level a Wardy during the last 2xEXP event. Plus, I needed an excuse to level a new character for the leveling rewards.
actually there are a couple of players, which have been waiting to play an ice mage (u get flame via dk, lightning via sorc), winterborn and warden are ideal for that. its a pitty they cant play it, i agree on that.
you can do that with out putting points into tri force. tbh if you look at the skills for warden most the winter skill set has tank in mind. which is why they added the taunt to ice staff.
doing it via tri focus in ice staff is a cheap deal, and zos made a cheap deal for magicka-tanking. zos had the chance to make another weapon type, it also had been seen on a morrowind trailer or morrowind pic (something like that) 1hnd + spell. and actually i'd expect this to be more logical to be the future magicka-tanking thing. but instead of giving us that, they just rushed through that problematic and killed the frost staff. its a pitty. and no, not using the tri focus is a pretty bad deal for a frost mage dd. every other element gets a damage boost with it. making frost staff a taking staff was just lazy and as lazy as it happened, it has become a worthless weapon.
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Azuramoonstar✭✭✭✭Dont_do_drugs wrote: »Azuramoonstar wrote: »Dont_do_drugs wrote: »Mephisto939 wrote: »
My magwarden is set up the exact same way (no frost staff though).Mephisto939 wrote: »
Probably gonna say "not BIS", "Why play Warden? Lol", or something to that effect .
Edit: Now granted, I only decided to level a Wardy during the last 2xEXP event. Plus, I needed an excuse to level a new character for the leveling rewards.
actually there are a couple of players, which have been waiting to play an ice mage (u get flame via dk, lightning via sorc), winterborn and warden are ideal for that. its a pitty they cant play it, i agree on that.
you can do that with out putting points into tri force. tbh if you look at the skills for warden most the winter skill set has tank in mind. which is why they added the taunt to ice staff.
doing it via tri focus in ice staff is a cheap deal, and zos made a cheap deal for magicka-tanking. zos had the chance to make another weapon type, it also had been seen on a morrowind trailer or morrowind pic (something like that) 1hnd + spell. and actually i'd expect this to be more logical to be the future magicka-tanking thing. but instead of giving us that, they just rushed through that problematic and killed the frost staff. its a pitty. and no, not using the tri focus is a pretty bad deal for a frost mage dd. every other element gets a damage boost with it. making frost staff a taking staff was just lazy and as lazy as it happened, it has become a worthless weapon.
do you know how much time/resources it takes to develop a armor set or weapon? the game is not a forced subscription so money can be iffy as you are not guarantee x amount of ppl subbing each month.
in ff14 dev said for 1 set of armor it takes 6 months to develop. that is with a sub based game.
i imagine it can take eso longer as sub money can be hit or miss. I personally like the ice staff as a tank staff. Ice has been a known tank type for decades in rpg, and i personally enjoy it.
If you look at the winter warden tree it is made for tanking, all the skills are set up for tanking in mind. You can be an ice mage, just a tanking one. That shouldn't be a bad thing. MMo need tank players.Long time mmo player: 2004-[current year]
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✭✭✭✭✭Azuramoonstar wrote: »Dont_do_drugs wrote: »Azuramoonstar wrote: »Dont_do_drugs wrote: »Mephisto939 wrote: »
My magwarden is set up the exact same way (no frost staff though).Mephisto939 wrote: »
Probably gonna say "not BIS", "Why play Warden? Lol", or something to that effect .
Edit: Now granted, I only decided to level a Wardy during the last 2xEXP event. Plus, I needed an excuse to level a new character for the leveling rewards.
actually there are a couple of players, which have been waiting to play an ice mage (u get flame via dk, lightning via sorc), winterborn and warden are ideal for that. its a pitty they cant play it, i agree on that.
you can do that with out putting points into tri force. tbh if you look at the skills for warden most the winter skill set has tank in mind. which is why they added the taunt to ice staff.
doing it via tri focus in ice staff is a cheap deal, and zos made a cheap deal for magicka-tanking. zos had the chance to make another weapon type, it also had been seen on a morrowind trailer or morrowind pic (something like that) 1hnd + spell. and actually i'd expect this to be more logical to be the future magicka-tanking thing. but instead of giving us that, they just rushed through that problematic and killed the frost staff. its a pitty. and no, not using the tri focus is a pretty bad deal for a frost mage dd. every other element gets a damage boost with it. making frost staff a taking staff was just lazy and as lazy as it happened, it has become a worthless weapon.
do you know how much time/resources it takes to develop a armor set or weapon? the game is not a forced subscription so money can be iffy as you are not guarantee x amount of ppl subbing each month.
in ff14 dev said for 1 set of armor it takes 6 months to develop. that is with a sub based game.
i imagine it can take eso longer as sub money can be hit or miss. I personally like the ice staff as a tank staff. Ice has been a known tank type for decades in rpg, and i personally enjoy it.
If you look at the winter warden tree it is made for tanking, all the skills are set up for tanking in mind. You can be an ice mage, just a tanking one. That shouldn't be a bad thing. MMo need tank players.
dude, what is this kind of answer when criticizing a bad deal about magicka tanking, u come aroun with poor poor zos, having not enough staff to correctly develop magicka tanking, while their wins increasing each year? imagine me jsut rolling my eyes. i mean, the development part isnt my problem. and yes, warden then has been built around the frost staff tanking then. still its a cheap deal. but hey, as long as we can by crown crates everything is awesome.
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Azuramoonstar✭✭✭✭Dont_do_drugs wrote: »Azuramoonstar wrote: »Dont_do_drugs wrote: »Azuramoonstar wrote: »Dont_do_drugs wrote: »Mephisto939 wrote: »
My magwarden is set up the exact same way (no frost staff though).Mephisto939 wrote: »
Probably gonna say "not BIS", "Why play Warden? Lol", or something to that effect .
Edit: Now granted, I only decided to level a Wardy during the last 2xEXP event. Plus, I needed an excuse to level a new character for the leveling rewards.
actually there are a couple of players, which have been waiting to play an ice mage (u get flame via dk, lightning via sorc), winterborn and warden are ideal for that. its a pitty they cant play it, i agree on that.
you can do that with out putting points into tri force. tbh if you look at the skills for warden most the winter skill set has tank in mind. which is why they added the taunt to ice staff.
doing it via tri focus in ice staff is a cheap deal, and zos made a cheap deal for magicka-tanking. zos had the chance to make another weapon type, it also had been seen on a morrowind trailer or morrowind pic (something like that) 1hnd + spell. and actually i'd expect this to be more logical to be the future magicka-tanking thing. but instead of giving us that, they just rushed through that problematic and killed the frost staff. its a pitty. and no, not using the tri focus is a pretty bad deal for a frost mage dd. every other element gets a damage boost with it. making frost staff a taking staff was just lazy and as lazy as it happened, it has become a worthless weapon.
do you know how much time/resources it takes to develop a armor set or weapon? the game is not a forced subscription so money can be iffy as you are not guarantee x amount of ppl subbing each month.
in ff14 dev said for 1 set of armor it takes 6 months to develop. that is with a sub based game.
i imagine it can take eso longer as sub money can be hit or miss. I personally like the ice staff as a tank staff. Ice has been a known tank type for decades in rpg, and i personally enjoy it.
If you look at the winter warden tree it is made for tanking, all the skills are set up for tanking in mind. You can be an ice mage, just a tanking one. That shouldn't be a bad thing. MMo need tank players.
dude, what is this kind of answer when criticizing a bad deal about magicka tanking, u come aroun with poor poor zos, having not enough staff to correctly develop magicka tanking, while their wins increasing each year? imagine me jsut rolling my eyes. i mean, the development part isnt my problem. and yes, warden then has been built around the frost staff tanking then. still its a cheap deal. but hey, as long as we can by crown crates everything is awesome.
actually you're insulting the devs, and calling them lazy in an immature way. You clearly have no idea about the time and resources it takes to develop and maintain an MMO.
eso is one of the top 3 MMO due to success. Most mmo after WoW died in 1-3 years, or subs are so low they barely run. ESO was doa, but game was turned around, just because you don't like a choice doesn't make it lazy or give you the right to insult people for doing their jobs. All MMO lessen staff after launch, but time/resources more means the time it takes and money involved.
The more involved a class is the longer it takes to develop, the longer it takes to develop the more money it takes. MMO do not have infinite resources, and the money Zenimax makes from the sub, cash shop and loot crates doesn't 100% go back into the game. It is used to fund other projects, pay their staff, pay for the server rental fees, and pay for the server maintenance.
warden was made to be a 3 role class to give people more options. It can be a tank, healer, dps. ice has been a tank type in most MMO.
seen it in several MUD, seen it in DCUO, ice magic in ff14 is more defensive to maintain resources while fire is more of an attack magic. even in Elder scrolls ice magic wasn't that strong, most enemies are weakest to fire magic. Ice is more of immobilizer. used to slow enemies down as you set up for a stronger attack.
Only time i've seen ice magic used as a main attack is game of thrones. And even still, the enemies in game of thrones die in a single it with 2 different types of alloy. (aka they weak, literal glass cannons)Edited by Azuramoonstar on August 25, 2018 7:56AMLong time mmo player: 2004-[current year]
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✭✭✭✭✭actually you're insulting the devs, and calling them lazy in an immature way. You clearly have no idea about the time and resources it takes to develop and maintain an MMO.
i dont need to have a clue about that. everyone can research and find something about the financial situation of zos, giving an idea that zos is far away from having problems, paying some more staff people. they had enough money to pay people making each month a ton of crown store items. the devs team working on a tight schedule of new content, while other important stuff stays unaffected. yeah there is a displacement of priorities away from quality to quantity. but hey, as long as there are some people in the forums telling, how much zos would struggle and how hard it is, to make quality content, as long there is no need to change, right? good. some days ago someone here told me, zos would need volunteering programmers who would help zos programming stuff (for free) or it would be good to donate to zos. ure not far away from that.
yes, the ice staff change has been lazy. lazy lazy lazy lazy.
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Azuramoonstar✭✭✭✭Dont_do_drugs wrote: »actually you're insulting the devs, and calling them lazy in an immature way. You clearly have no idea about the time and resources it takes to develop and maintain an MMO.
i dont need to have a clue about that. everyone can research and find something about the financial situation of zos, giving an idea that zos is far away from having problems, paying some more staff people. they had enough money to pay people making each month a ton of crown store items. the devs team working on a tight schedule of new content, while other important stuff stays unaffected. yeah there is a displacement of priorities away from quality to quantity. but hey, as long as there are some people in the forums telling, how much zos would struggle and how hard it is, to make quality content, as long there is no need to change, right? good. some days ago someone here told me, zos would need volunteering programmers who would help zos programming stuff (for free) or it would be good to donate to zos. ure not far away from that.
yes, the ice staff change has been lazy. lazy lazy lazy lazy.
more people =/= faster development/better development. Nothing i stated said Zenimax is going bankrupt. games themselves have finite budgets, and finite staff as companies make/run several games at once.
Please do more research on MMO game development. Or better yet watch the youtube channel "noclip" on the rise and fall of ff14. You may learn something instead of being arrogant and ignorant.
Ice staff change wasn't lazy, they wanted to make an ice mage tank. Why waste dev time and resources on building a new weapon type, when one was in the game already. Changes happen, its how al MMO are. you may like or dislike the change. Insulting devs is NEVER a good thing. These guys work long hours, and try to make good choives with the time/resources they got.
again 100% of the money Zeni makes from eso does not go back into Eso, it goes to other projects, and keeping the game running. It takes time to code, there is no magic switch.
please do research in how MMO are built, maintained and what goes into it. You will learn a lot, and hopefully stop making dumb comments. Which is what you are doing. You clearly have no idea how things are, and just want to complain for sake of complaining.Long time mmo player: 2004-[current year]
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TheInfernalRage✭✭✭✭✭I'm cool with it but taunt should be transferred somewhere. I already have a Warden and DK frost staff tank.0 -
swippy✭✭✭✭✭Dont_do_drugs wrote: »actually you're insulting the devs, and calling them lazy in an immature way. You clearly have no idea about the time and resources it takes to develop and maintain an MMO.
i dont need to have a clue about that.
no, you don't need to, but it always helps to actually understand the workings of a system you hope to affect.
unless you're just over here being "entitled to your opinion" which is just, yeah.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Dont_do_drugs wrote: »actually you're insulting the devs, and calling them lazy in an immature way. You clearly have no idea about the time and resources it takes to develop and maintain an MMO.
i dont need to have a clue about that.
no, you don't need to, but it always helps to actually understand the workings of a system you hope to affect.
unless you're just over here being "entitled to your opinion" which is just, yeah.
some people just need to understand, that i dont need to understand, how programming works, or how many devs zos has - what i need to understand is, is that i am a consumer who meanwhile paid over 1.500 € into this game, which is pretty a lot, even for 4 years. as consumer its my right to expect quality from the company i am purchasing stuff from. actually, looking at stuff like "consumer awareness" its also a pitty, that consumers start to discuss like lawyers of a millions-making company. looking at that, also in general on market and capitalism, this is a problem, people beeing less and less aware of their role and their influence on the product they are consuming, beeing less and less critical, instead of that even defending the producers of not beeing able to do it better. this definitely isnt, how consumer awareness works and also this is also the way, you all are taking your parts in making products worse in quality, since the producer knows, he can go on lowering the quality, since nobody is critical but keeps repeating the "poor zos and poor pgrammers"-lines over and over again. zos has the money and zos has the ability to increase their devs team and also to focus on quality management and as example also on bug fixing, they just dont do it, because there are always those people like you, the lawyers of rip-off-politics.
edit: i mean i also dont expect people to understand my job. but people paying me for my job are also expecting me to do my job good and with a certain quality.Edited by Dont_do_drugs on August 25, 2018 9:56AM
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✭✭✭Mephisto939 wrote: »
Ice staff tanking isn't perfect, and this might be a solution to it.
Personally, I'd like to see an entirely new staff line. We could potentially have, for example, alteration staves, illusion staves, mysticism staves, etc. A new staff line would open up the opportunity to return ice staves to being a damage-dealing tool and instead put magicka tanking in one of the new skill lines.
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Azuramoonstar✭✭✭✭Still find it horrendous to force tanks use destro staves...
why it is unique, staves are normally seen as dd/dps weapon here you can tank with it. tanks are normally sword/board.
i'm playing eso because of warden, and the ice staff tanking i love elder scrolls and the freedom the games provide, and the uniqueness that can come from the games.
I'm building my character to use the staff, with 0 issues. No one is forcing anyone to use it.Long time mmo player: 2004-[current year]
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Azuramoonstar✭✭✭✭Dont_do_drugs wrote: »Dont_do_drugs wrote: »actually you're insulting the devs, and calling them lazy in an immature way. You clearly have no idea about the time and resources it takes to develop and maintain an MMO.
i dont need to have a clue about that.
no, you don't need to, but it always helps to actually understand the workings of a system you hope to affect.
unless you're just over here being "entitled to your opinion" which is just, yeah.
some people just need to understand, that i dont need to understand, how programming works, or how many devs zos has - what i need to understand is, is that i am a consumer who meanwhile paid over 1.500 € into this game, which is pretty a lot, even for 4 years. as consumer its my right to expect quality from the company i am purchasing stuff from. actually, looking at stuff like "consumer awareness" its also a pitty, that consumers start to discuss like lawyers of a millions-making company. looking at that, also in general on market and capitalism, this is a problem, people beeing less and less aware of their role and their influence on the product they are consuming, beeing less and less critical, instead of that even defending the producers of not beeing able to do it better. this definitely isnt, how consumer awareness works and also this is also the way, you all are taking your parts in making products worse in quality, since the producer knows, he can go on lowering the quality, since nobody is critical but keeps repeating the "poor zos and poor pgrammers"-lines over and over again. zos has the money and zos has the ability to increase their devs team and also to focus on quality management and as example also on bug fixing, they just dont do it, because there are always those people like you, the lawyers of rip-off-politics.
edit: i mean i also dont expect people to understand my job. but people paying me for my job are also expecting me to do my job good and with a certain quality.
you kinda do because your comments and complaints are out of ignorance. I find the option of staff/magic tanking to be unique, as most MMO or rpg don't promote tanking beyond the sword/board archetype. Which is BEYOND CLICHE, i think making quality is doing something unique not more of the same. I've been playing mmo since 2002, i started to tank in 2013 due to ff14 making my main job in 1.0 unplayable by me in 2.0. I tried paladin tanking, and found it dull. Warrior tanking in the early days was too steep. I tried dark knight tanking and enjoyed it till they changed how the job worked in 4.0, then started to do warrior tanking as the ease of use improved and a scythe glamour was added.
I enjoyed that till SE changed the role skill system, which I'm now here in ESO. If you don't like changes, vote with your wallet. I personally like the changes so i vote with mine.
None of my commenting was about "poor zos" I was explaining how MMO development works because you are complaining for sake of complaining bred from ignorance of a topic.
I took a small business course in high school (trade high school so it was college level) and learn a good deal with consumer relations and quantity vs quality. I wanted to go into game development so i researched that, watching "making of" videos on how games are made. The time/resources (which is more then jut money) it takes to build game. I learned how big companies can be made or broken over a bad game (ET comes to mind) Final fantasy 14 1.0 literally nearly bankrupted SE causing them to shut down. They had to delay most of their games to get their whole gaming division to work on ff14 1.0 and make ff14 2.O the Japanese tsunami quack happen mid development and SE even suffered a hot Japanese summer just to keep the servers on which were going t be shut down long term because power was precious.
You keep claiming something was bad because you don't like it. That is subjective, and has nothing to do with quality, or the devs. You don't like it and want to vent/complain.
I gave my opinion, and you want to attack me not my opinion. Again your comments are crude, and its comment like your that make people think the gaming community is toxic. Devs may not even have a choice in what they can or can't do. As a business they need to weight the pros and cons of each choice, compare the cost and time. For zos that is revamping a weapon type to fit a new class, or building a new weapon all together. It can take a long time to build a new weapon from the ground up due to conception, balance, coding, design, attack style, animations for all races.
Look up the dev of ff14, the gladiator had a weapon taken away (dagger) and given to rogue class which upgrades to ninja.
ff14 in 3.0 added 3 weapons and 3 jobs. the dark knight machinist, and astrologian(sp). the mch and ast were dead on arrival, and it has taken a complete expack cycle to clean them up. Mch is still an under used class as it is a rng based gun job with a pet. the base dps of the character is low, but you don't get a pet till later levels. Most people who tried it find it too difficult to really play well and you don't see many mch .
making new weapons can be hit or miss, but nothing to do with quality of the dev team. Some choices people will like, some choices people will not like. If you don't like a change, vote with your wallet, if enough votes happen changes can/will be made.
If there isn't enough votes, the change stays.
As i said, i like ice staff tanking. I find it interesting and fun. It is a new style of tanking that is rarely seen in mmo and it gives ESO a unique thing that stands them apart from other MMO.
this change happen a good year or so ago, if the devs were going to change it back they would have done so.
You can dislike a change, but don't insult the people who would be making that change. It makes your complaint less likely to be heard by the people you want.
community feedback, and changes happen in ff14 when people treated the devs like people and calming explain why they dislike a change, and why they don't think it works.
You are not doing that, you are saying "i hate it, the devs are lazy". And making rude commentary about a company as a whole. More so when the devs imo cleaned up the game quit well considering ESO was dead on arrival because of poor choices. They made this game feel like an elder scrolls mmo. Elder scrolls being an rpg with a lot of creative freedom on how to build and play a character. Which you see in ESO. I can play a tank who uses a staff. I find that to be cool, and i find myself doing a pretty good job at it even though I'm fairly new to the game. heck i find tanking/taunting with my ice staff much more fluid then tanking in ff14. I enjoy tanking in eso more then i did in ff14.
That is how Zos got me as a customer.Edited by Azuramoonstar on August 25, 2018 10:56AMLong time mmo player: 2004-[current year]
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✭✭✭✭✭all this story stuff, again half of it trying to eplain, why a business decides this and that: and again: as consumer its none of my business to think about how someone came to a decision, or why a business is lowering its quality standards. its jsut none of my business, u can write novels over and over again, u just seemingly arent able to understand it has nothing to do here in a discussion - and its been u bringing this stuff up, not me. its none of our business. if i expect something from zos, and i want zos to do something properly, i just say it that way and wont start with "oh but zos, has to do this and that and i need to understand their business." no, no, and again no. thats not how market and the relationship between consumers and producers work.
and btw: i never said i hate it. stop laying things into my mouth, i never said. also i am not rude, i am straight.Edited by Dont_do_drugs on August 25, 2018 11:15AM
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✭When you respec next time, just don't take tri-focus and good.
This. Mostly because Zos chose to retrofit the ice staff for magicka tanking.
It’s no longer a dps weapon but a poor tanking weapon. Yes I have staves for my tank. Only to back bar for a ranged interupt and no points into the passives.
Also because ZOS couldn't be assed to put the melee weapon and rune skill line in for morrowind. This was meant to be the magicka tank weapon tree, the Warden even uses it in the trailer!3 -
Mephisto939✭✭✭✭Azuramoonstar wrote: »Dont_do_drugs wrote: »Dont_do_drugs wrote: »actually you're insulting the devs, and calling them lazy in an immature way. You clearly have no idea about the time and resources it takes to develop and maintain an MMO.
i dont need to have a clue about that.
no, you don't need to, but it always helps to actually understand the workings of a system you hope to affect.
unless you're just over here being "entitled to your opinion" which is just, yeah.
some people just need to understand, that i dont need to understand, how programming works, or how many devs zos has - what i need to understand is, is that i am a consumer who meanwhile paid over 1.500 € into this game, which is pretty a lot, even for 4 years. as consumer its my right to expect quality from the company i am purchasing stuff from. actually, looking at stuff like "consumer awareness" its also a pitty, that consumers start to discuss like lawyers of a millions-making company. looking at that, also in general on market and capitalism, this is a problem, people beeing less and less aware of their role and their influence on the product they are consuming, beeing less and less critical, instead of that even defending the producers of not beeing able to do it better. this definitely isnt, how consumer awareness works and also this is also the way, you all are taking your parts in making products worse in quality, since the producer knows, he can go on lowering the quality, since nobody is critical but keeps repeating the "poor zos and poor pgrammers"-lines over and over again. zos has the money and zos has the ability to increase their devs team and also to focus on quality management and as example also on bug fixing, they just dont do it, because there are always those people like you, the lawyers of rip-off-politics.
edit: i mean i also dont expect people to understand my job. but people paying me for my job are also expecting me to do my job good and with a certain quality.
you kinda do because your comments and complaints are out of ignorance. I find the option of staff/magic tanking to be unique, as most MMO or rpg don't promote tanking beyond the sword/board archetype. Which is BEYOND CLICHE, i think making quality is doing something unique not more of the same. I've been playing mmo since 2002, i started to tank in 2013 due to ff14 making my main job in 1.0 unplayable by me in 2.0. I tried paladin tanking, and found it dull. Warrior tanking in the early days was too steep. I tried dark knight tanking and enjoyed it till they changed how the job worked in 4.0, then started to do warrior tanking as the ease of use improved and a scythe glamour was added.
I enjoyed that till SE changed the role skill system, which I'm now here in ESO. If you don't like changes, vote with your wallet. I personally like the changes so i vote with mine.
None of my commenting was about "poor zos" I was explaining how MMO development works because you are complaining for sake of complaining bred from ignorance of a topic.
I took a small business course in high school (trade high school so it was college level) and learn a good deal with consumer relations and quantity vs quality. I wanted to go into game development so i researched that, watching "making of" videos on how games are made. The time/resources (which is more then jut money) it takes to build game. I learned how big companies can be made or broken over a bad game (ET comes to mind) Final fantasy 14 1.0 literally nearly bankrupted SE causing them to shut down. They had to delay most of their games to get their whole gaming division to work on ff14 1.0 and make ff14 2.O the Japanese tsunami quack happen mid development and SE even suffered a hot Japanese summer just to keep the servers on which were going t be shut down long term because power was precious.
You keep claiming something was bad because you don't like it. That is subjective, and has nothing to do with quality, or the devs. You don't like it and want to vent/complain.
I gave my opinion, and you want to attack me not my opinion. Again your comments are crude, and its comment like your that make people think the gaming community is toxic. Devs may not even have a choice in what they can or can't do. As a business they need to weight the pros and cons of each choice, compare the cost and time. For zos that is revamping a weapon type to fit a new class, or building a new weapon all together. It can take a long time to build a new weapon from the ground up due to conception, balance, coding, design, attack style, animations for all races.
Look up the dev of ff14, the gladiator had a weapon taken away (dagger) and given to rogue class which upgrades to ninja.
ff14 in 3.0 added 3 weapons and 3 jobs. the dark knight machinist, and astrologian(sp). the mch and ast were dead on arrival, and it has taken a complete expack cycle to clean them up. Mch is still an under used class as it is a rng based gun job with a pet. the base dps of the character is low, but you don't get a pet till later levels. Most people who tried it find it too difficult to really play well and you don't see many mch .
making new weapons can be hit or miss, but nothing to do with quality of the dev team. Some choices people will like, some choices people will not like. If you don't like a change, vote with your wallet, if enough votes happen changes can/will be made.
If there isn't enough votes, the change stays.
As i said, i like ice staff tanking. I find it interesting and fun. It is a new style of tanking that is rarely seen in mmo and it gives ESO a unique thing that stands them apart from other MMO.
this change happen a good year or so ago, if the devs were going to change it back they would have done so.
You can dislike a change, but don't insult the people who would be making that change. It makes your complaint less likely to be heard by the people you want.
community feedback, and changes happen in ff14 when people treated the devs like people and calming explain why they dislike a change, and why they don't think it works.
You are not doing that, you are saying "i hate it, the devs are lazy". And making rude commentary about a company as a whole. More so when the devs imo cleaned up the game quit well considering ESO was dead on arrival because of poor choices. They made this game feel like an elder scrolls mmo. Elder scrolls being an rpg with a lot of creative freedom on how to build and play a character. Which you see in ESO. I can play a tank who uses a staff. I find that to be cool, and i find myself doing a pretty good job at it even though I'm fairly new to the game. heck i find tanking/taunting with my ice staff much more fluid then tanking in ff14. I enjoy tanking in eso more then i did in ff14.
That is how Zos got me as a customer.
So how much is ZOS paying you?Why did the Dunmer cross the road?
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Mephisto939✭✭✭✭Dont_do_drugs wrote: »all this story stuff, again half of it trying to eplain, why a business decides this and that: and again: as consumer its none of my business to think about how someone came to a decision, or why a business is lowering its quality standards. its jsut none of my business, u can write novels over and over again, u just seemingly arent able to understand it has nothing to do here in a discussion - and its been u bringing this stuff up, not me. its none of our business. if i expect something from zos, and i want zos to do something properly, i just say it that way and wont start with "oh but zos, has to do this and that and i need to understand their business." no, no, and again no. thats not how market and the relationship between consumers and producers work.
and btw: i never said i hate it. stop laying things into my mouth, i never said. also i am not rude, i am straight.
<sarcasm>How dare you question anything the devs do. Don't you realize changes take 6 months and buckets of money? </sarcasm>Why did the Dunmer cross the road?
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✭✭✭✭✭didnt u see that froststaff tanking is THE thing in pve - even the progress masters tank all their superduperraids with froststaffs. how could we dare to criticize froststaff changes. but hey, at least we found the one and only diehardfroststafftank in the world.
seriously: the staffs could be and are a thing in pvp - zos should focus that direction.
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✭boThannazzar wrote: »When you respec next time, just don't take tri-focus and good.
This. Mostly because Zos chose to retrofit the ice staff for magicka tanking.
It’s no longer a dps weapon but a poor tanking weapon. Yes I have staves for my tank. Only to back bar for a ranged interupt and no points into the passives.
Also because ZOS couldn't be assed to put the melee weapon and rune skill line in for morrowind. This was meant to be the magicka tank weapon tree, the Warden even uses it in the trailer!
The one hand and rune would look a hell of alot less stupid as well. don't see blocking an axe with a piece staff effective in a realistic sense.0 -
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✭From my experience frost staff tanking can be quite fun when you are doing relatively easy content like normal dungeons and vanilla vet dungeons where damage shields can be your primary means of keeping yourself alive.
Before the change I do not recall many damage dealers wielding an ice staff so I personally feel that the change was more positive than negative.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Pets- Roleplay Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Kinras's jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Shocking Soul (Shock damage, Class Mastery Signature Script, and Empower), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Storm Pulsar, Streak, Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Storms, Shocking Burst (Shock Damage, remove 1 negative effect, and interrupt) and Thunderous Rage.
Solo: Use Kinras's chest, replace Mora with Ring of the Pale Order, and use a heavy Slimcraw piece for max critical.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNHVjemwxZHI2ZmQ2bTg1ZG0xOTZ3b2QwajBzNGxmaHh6OXRpN3p6YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/eBgWizk5dmZRS/giphy.gifElectric-Heal- Stress free one bar pet build .
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants. No chest piece), 1 medium Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, medium, Max Mag Enchants), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant ring and necklace (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant), Oakensoul ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)
- Ability-Bar: Daedric Prey, Summon Volatile Familiar, Bound Armaments, Unstable Wall of Storms, Summon Twilight Matriarch, and Greater storm Atronach.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Iceheart (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Prismatic Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), Combat Physician restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and combat physician ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Regenerative Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that primarily utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward/Breath of life, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifEye of the Queen- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/44/1c/fd441c8242af6ec35ada94496feb0901.gifEye of the King- My casual one bar heavy attack Arcanist build that primarily utilizes Herald of the Tome abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Pragmatic Fatecarver, Cephaliarch's Flail, Rune of Displacement, Inspired Scholarship/Evolving Runemend, and The Languid Eye.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOTAzdjV1eTgwbDFmM3lrZmxuMXRqdDR3Y3h1ZDRpajR0M3VjZzQ3NSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zXmbOaTpbY6mA/giphy.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Steed for speed. Gotta go fast!
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar/arcanist will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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✭Regardless of whether ice staff tanking is good or not, it's unconventional and controversial enough that it should be an optional morph, or a separate skill line.1 -
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✭✭✭Just move the taunt to it's own passive and I'd be happy.
People saying this without saying which passive to remove or relocate. Don't all weapon skill lines have the exact same number of active and passive skills?
Are you saying to combine 2 other passives into a single passive to make way for this? Also, all 5 passives for all weapong types all have 2 ranks. How would that work for the taunt passive? What would the two ranks be? You might think they can just do one rank, but if something is that consistent, I assume there are parts of their codebase that expect that pattern.
If the taunt was moved to its own skill, it would be a useless passive for most destro staff users. That would make destro staff the only weapon skill line that only needs 9 skill points to max out its power.
I'm not necessarily taking sides. It seems a bit confused to make ice staffs taunt if there are also DPS sets that proc based on ice attacks, but I suppose one could be going for a hybrid tank build for base game dungeons and the taunt is not an issue in PvP.0 -
FearAndPatching✭✭✭Mephisto939 wrote: »
How about remove the taunt from ice staves and give impulse a morph for a taunt which would add the first AOE taunt to the game. This would make for a ability tanks would rejoice for.Xbox NA Aldmeri Dominion 1,000 CP+
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✭✭✭Mephisto939 wrote: »
Last time I checked, Warden ice damage doesn't proc Winterborn (only ice staff) and ice staff is terrible for DPS even without the taunt due to the Chilled status being a LOT worse than Burning and Concussion.
Also Ysgramor is simply not great for Warden because they do not just do Ice Damage and Ice tree + Frost staff alone is not enough viable skills to support your DPS. They have more frost damage than most, but you're better off running a general purpose set like Srioria, Julianos, Mother's Sorrow, etc etc.
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