Is there a way i can talk to the developers directly about simple but very impactful changes?

xxthir13enxx

Violynne wrote: »

Yet players constantly complain their characters can't kill both classes, which is just absurd.

Stop and think about why this is absurd. Here's a hint:
Paper kills rock and scissors
Rock kills paper and scissors
Scissors kills rock and paper

If you throw out Rock and I throw out Paper, who wins?

That's not balance, because the reality is: if everyone has the strength to kill everyone else, no one can kill anyone else.

Except...that’s kind of the flaw isn’t it?

This game is moving more n more towards What class is wearing what sets and using These skills

And less and less about Who can do What with the Skills available.
I constantly throw crap gear on just to Have Fun....Skilled Gameplay is quickly going the way of the dragons....

Kikke

Ultiscrub Gaming wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Your best bet would be to use the feedback tool. If your ideas are truly worth while, you'll get the attention of a dev someday.

But you have to understand, they get tons messages everyday from tons of people that are sure their idea is the cat's meow. There is no way for them to go through it all.

Its not that i think my idea is the cats meow. I know for a fact that the game would be better off with some simple changes. For instance why can you as a player have more than 1 double dot poision up at a time on you. Same thing with other things in game like vipersting, sloads, and even some cased of you having more than one befoul or other status affect. Its not like a major and a monor de buff either. I was trying to 1v x the other day but it was stoped because i had 3 double dot poisions on me and they all happened to proc the poisioned status effect. Thats not balance. I have tried feed back but my ideas allways get shruged off because it never actualy goes any where.

This game aint balanced for 1vX.

1vX in any game is always extremly cancerous.

stewhead2ub17_ESO

lol this was my laugh of the morning

ChunkyCat

Don’t let any of these foolios tell you different! We need moar men like you, with legitimate ideas, to stand up and be heard!

It’s about time we had some *** legitimacy around here!

BigBragg

Somebody get this man a direct line. Yup a direct line, with a red phone. STAT!

Maggi12

try to contact Alcast or Blobsky or another famous streamers and tell them your ideas. If your ideas are nice enough, that guys probably will make video about it, some sort of "thoughts about ...".

Violynne

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

Except...that’s kind of the flaw isn’t it?

The flaw comes when things are changed in order to represent the "all beat all, so skill matters" because it's impossible to regulate this.

Back in the early days of Magic: the Gathering, they ran into this very issue. The original design was based on a point system, and each card was weighted. During development, low cost mana cards were given a medium weight while 0 cost were given low eight. High cost mana cards were weighted based on their attributes.

This idea... didn't last long, because players (yeah, we ruin the best of plans) figured out how to stack these points in order to whip out full armies without paying much to do so. The "penny decks" (where the majority of costs were 1 mana) were everywhere, making any attempt to build a defense impossible if you couldn't hold back the growing number of 1 hit wonders (which add up over rounds).

This very mechanic has plagues games like this for years. Even Blizzard struggles with it, because a change "here" may go unnoticed until players figure out "Whoa! I can stack this with [skill]" and balance is shifted because, while not a direct way to kill, can indirectly lead to an advantage to do so.

This is why Rune Prison is getting a huge nerf. It didn't directly cause damage, but the stun allowed for damage to be applied after the fact, which is why 5 seconds is pretty much a death sentence when a player cannot move.

Little things like this may look good on paper, but once in the hands of players, any attempt at control goes right out the window.

That's how we get players who get 50k+ dps. They literally squeeze every spell, armor proc, weapon dmg, potion combos (which in itself is actually incredible considering all the variances), and anything the game offers to gain even one point.

This is why ZoS said: "Yup. We're toast. Let's bring on those who use Excel to manage their alts."

Malacthulhu

I like that the op does not have a huge ego about it. Complaining and whining on the forums actually does nothing, so you have to ask yourself what are you actually doing about it. Doing something about it does not always mean it will be the outcome you want but, I respect that. I do not think he is expecting a one on one sit down, just wants to get his ideas to right avenue. Obviously they are not gonna say if they are gonna use them for various reasons etc.

vamp_emily

Ultiscrub Gaming wrote: »

This is not for jokes. I have tried contacting them on the forums in the past but they wont listen. I don’t have dumb ideas like take this set out of the game or this class is to powerful nerf the crap out of it. I have legitimate balance ideas i would like to talk to them about in a serious manor.

I don't think it is a dumb idea to totally destroy all files related to "sload". Who knows I might sub again if they did that.

Maybe talk to a class rep and have them relay your message.

AhPook_Is_Here

Ultiscrub Gaming wrote: »

This is not for jokes. I have tried contacting them on the forums in the past but they wont listen. I don’t have dumb ideas like take this set out of the game or this class is to powerful nerf the crap out of it. I have legitimate balance ideas i would like to talk to them about in a serious manor.

Serious manor

/endthread

albesca

Ultiscrub Gaming wrote: »

This is not for jokes. I have tried contacting them on the forums in the past but they wont listen. I don’t have dumb ideas like take this set out of the game or this class is to powerful nerf the crap out of it. I have legitimate balance ideas i would like to talk to them about in a serious manor.

There's Linchal Grand Manor, but much of the seriousness depends on how it is furnished.
Also Mathiisen Manor, if you're more of an elf person.

geonsocal

Ultiscrub Gaming wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

oh man, you all show some tough love...

too funny

I gotta admit though: ultiscrub gaming is a pretty memorable monikor...

so, now that you have our attention - hit us with some of your ideas...in like fifty words or less...bullet points/highlights would be nice...no text walls please...

you got to focus...

having great ideas, and, being able to communicate them are two very different skills...

Edit: don't make the forums your rough draft...start wording up your ideas somewhere else...formatting them...perfecting them...

cut out any superfluous bull...no opinions...just the facts...

You can’t just bring forth an idea to fix an issue in game in 50 words or less. You have to state all the rules and parameters for the issue you want to fix and some times give situations. If i just say X should not work like it does in game. Then the next question is. How should X work in game. Then you answer and they will ask why and when should X work that way. That will almost never be under 50 words. I do how ever try to keep it short as possible.

understood @Ultiscrub Gaming ...good point...

do your best though to make it easily digestible for others - in particular your target audience: the game's developers...

maybe tackle one key balance suggestion per thread...tag whichever player rep you think might be taking a look at that portion of the game...

don't waste your time engaging with some of the other folks on the forums here - they're just having fun...

if you truly wish to assist in providing insight on some possible ways for improving the game - stay focused on that...

get your ideas formatted in to a logical discussion - put out the premise, identify the issue, then provide some steps for remedying that issue...

looking forward to reading what you got

ZOS_Ragnar

Unfortunately, we are unable to accept unsolicited ideas regarding The Elder Scrolls Online. This is for legal reasons.

That being said, we do allow and welcome feedback and suggestions. Players should feel free to post on our Facebook page or use the /feedback function at any time in game to let us know what they think. You can also provide feedback on our support site: https://help.elderscrollsonline.com

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/508

Also, we have removed some comments from this thread that were not constructive.

theyancey

10 million copies of ESO sold and I am sure that most of us would like to lodge some suggestion, complaint, or attaboy directly to the devs. Imagine that disaster! It was different back in the day when gaming was young. There was more than one occasion when I called them up with a problem I was having with Leisure Suit Larry and spoke directly with Al Lowe. That sort of thing is just not possible today.

Cryptical

ZOS_RyanM wrote: »

Unfortunately, we are unable to accept unsolicited ideas regarding The Elder Scrolls Online. This is for legal reasons.

That being said, we do allow and welcome feedback and suggestions. Players should feel free to post on our Facebook page or use the /feedback function at any time in game to let us know what they think. You can also provide feedback on our support site: https://help.elderscrollsonline.com

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/508

Also, we have removed some comments from this thread that were not constructive.

For people who don't catch the meaning behind this... Ideas have value. Ideas are owned by their creator. Ideas are intellectual property of the person that created them. If zeni accepts / uses the ideas you throw at them then they are using your property, and you become part-owner of the product that they made. And then you would get to go to court and take a chunk of zeni.

Raise your hand if you think zeni should accept unsolicited ideas.

Everyone else, take careful note of those raised hands. Those are unreasonable people, and you should be careful around them.

There is, however, feedback and suggestions. These preserve zeni's full ownership of the product innately. It's feedback/suggestions on *their* product, for them to take into consideration (or not) on *their* decision to make changes (or not) to *their* product.

So go nuts with the feedback and suggestions. It shows excitement with the game, and that the players want it to be better tomorrow than it is today.

DuskMarine

ZOS_RyanM wrote: »

Unfortunately, we are unable to accept unsolicited ideas regarding The Elder Scrolls Online. This is for legal reasons.

That being said, we do allow and welcome feedback and suggestions. Players should feel free to post on our Facebook page or use the /feedback function at any time in game to let us know what they think. You can also provide feedback on our support site: https://help.elderscrollsonline.com

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/508

Also, we have removed some comments from this thread that were not constructive.

and the bad thing is that policy needs to go you guys alienate us and our ideas for what wed like to see on the game. yall ask all the time what would we like to see but never do it. so really that policy is put in to alienate the communitys idea is it not? @ZOS_RyanM yall kindve need to tweak it a bit. cause everyone also knows that your feedback tickets get thrown out on contact. on here is the only way we got housing implemented. so yall honestly need to interact with us more not less and take our ideas for what we all want to see.

Chilly-McFreeze

So, OP, in general you say "same kind of damage (procs) shouldn't stack"? Aha, aha.

idk

Ultiscrub Gaming wrote: »

This is not for jokes. I have tried contacting them on the forums in the past but they wont listen. I don’t have dumb ideas like take this set out of the game or this class is to powerful nerf the crap out of it. I have legitimate balance ideas i would like to talk to them about in a serious manner.

@Ultiscrub Gaming

You can post your idea in the forums in a well organized and thought out manner but don’t be to wordy.

They do read the forums and one former Zos employee ended up getting hired by Zos as a result of an idea posted in the forums.

But don’t expect one to send you a pritaye message as a result of this thread. Pretty much everyone in these forums wants to talk with them directly and many think they have good ideas.

Sanctum74

As much as I hate poisons and procs, everyone's damage should always count. Not allowing damage stacks just because you want to 1vX would never be balanced.

Danikat

Turn this around: Imagine if someone got in touch with you at your work and said "Hey I know you don't actually care about doing a good job and you never listen to your customers but I know how to do it better than you do and I want to give you a series of long essays on what you should be doing. Where do I send them?"

What would your answer be? I doubt you'd feel inclined to listen to that person, but that's exactly what you're doing to ZOS here.

Now imagine what someone could say or do that would get you to think they might have some good ideas for you, and would persuade you to listen. Then do that instead.

swippy

i read OP's theory and examples, and i don't see the problem. if poisons make light attacks better than regular light attacks, then using those poisons should continue to function even against prospective 1vXers. i don't see the harm in 5 people being able to defeat a single person either, poisons/procs or no. it sounds perfectly balanced to me that 5 people will usually defeat a single person. they'd have to all five be terribly clumsy and thoughtless to not make an advantage of their number.

if you're the kind of person who feels they need to dominate in every scenario, and anything less is "unbalanced" there are some pretty killer single-player games out there. if you like ESO, Skyrim comes to mind. you can become damn-near godlike in combat in that game without all that much effort or creativity. but trying to beat up 5 strangers who are trying as hard as you are should be a losing battle most of the time. winning just because you want to doesn't sound balanced at all, in a PvP setting.

definitely gotta agree though, props on the name. that's a for-sure "foot in the door". just gotta work on the ideas you're presenting, or the delivery. i'd vote against the proposal because i think strength in numbers is logical in a combat framework, and making everything in the game non-stackable would discourage PUGging (or anything but finely-honed premade groups) and then some of the lovelier social aspects of this game would suffer, but having lots of potential isn't so bad. it's not easy to change the world, not even an imaginary one.

Acrolas

Cryptical wrote: »

For people who don't catch the meaning behind this... Ideas have value. Ideas are owned by their creator. Ideas are intellectual property of the person that created them. If zeni accepts / uses the ideas you throw at them then they are using your property, and you become part-owner of the product that they made. And then you would get to go to court and take a chunk of zeni.

Except that Elder Scrolls ideas would be considered derivative works, so they're still owned by ZeniMax. In a more professional setting, even discussions throwing around theories would credit ZeniMax and its subsidiaries as the legal owners with no infringement intended.

They don't accept unsolicited ideas because solicitation is asking for a payment in exchange for good or service. A solicited idea would require a contract and payment rendered. But not for shared ownership. That contract is to enforce that ZeniMax or one of its subsidiaries completely own the idea, but that the creator of that idea was fairly compensated for the time and effort it took to create the idea.

Marvel and BuzzFeed are just a few companies that do solicited ideas. Basically they pay you and you get to put that work experience on your resume, but you don't own anything you create there and can never contest ownership in the future.

MJallday

TLDR version “change poisons in pvp”

If you want to make the devs listen to you - there’s -a few ways

1) make a social media channel and scream about it
2) go to PAX and take them out for a pint
3) go work for ZOS

Until then, feel free to post your ideas on here and prepare to wait until the dawn of time

Sorry that’s reality

BigM

Being one that has gone from a good ESO poster to a banned jerk ESO poster, then back again to an okay ESO poster, I have to admit putting in a support ticket and submitting ideas there to get looked at and responded too does work.

The last thing never takes most comments to heart, it's just the gaming world we live in. Majority of them are good gamers that at times go off the rails. We all been there. Submit the ticket with your ideas and believe me they will get back to you, once you get past the first canned response about closing the ticket.

Never know they may even support your ideas with a pet or mount that is never coming back.

DanteYoda

Devs don't even listen to their appointed Reps why would they listen to you or anyone..

Jameliel

Ultiscrub Gaming wrote: »

This is not for jokes. I have tried contacting them on the forums in the past but they wont listen. I don’t have dumb ideas like take this set out of the game or this class is to powerful nerf the crap out of it. I have legitimate balance ideas i would like to talk to them about in a serious manner.

This is only my opinion, but I suspect that if it were legal for you to offer them drugs and or alcohol in exchange for for listening to your ideas, then they would happily contact you.

Quantum_V

Hey, whats up, @Ultiscrub Gaming ?

Feel free to reach the Class representatives. We have direct contact with ZoS developers and basically have the objective of gathering and discussing coherent balance changes with them.

We are reading the forums daily to gather and debate ideas. You can also send us PMs through the forums, discord or ingame. We also setup specific discords for feedback gathering. We can also arrange some time to talk through voice chat as we've done before with different people to have a better discussion and make it easier to to deliver feedback. I'll be linking more information about the program, list the Class reps and link you the discords.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416444/eso-class-representative-program-feedback-channels#latest

Thanks!

Woeler

Ultiscrub Gaming wrote: »

This is not for jokes. I have tried contacting them on the forums in the past but they wont listen. I don’t have dumb ideas like take this set out of the game or this class is to powerful nerf the crap out of it. I have legitimate balance ideas i would like to talk to them about in a serious manner.

Yea kid, so everyone does.

Dubhliam

Sooooo... poisons are balanced for 1v1 duels, and that’s not balance?

You want poisons to be “balanced” for 1vX?

Gotcha.
Legit concern.

Nightfall12

saving ideas in your head alone doesn't give them the chance to be evaluated. There could be huge flaws you are not seeing, but others could.