Is Med Armor Tank A thing?

ItsNebula

Sugram22 wrote: »

Is Med Armor Tank A thing?

i ask that cause with my lvl 30 nord DK tank with sword & shield i feel like i don't have enough Dam, want to be better with damage (with sword & shield) to go to med armor for it, but is it bad for tanking?

also should i go for different race like Orc? like start over as orc?

before u mentioned this, i am not fan of mix matching med & heavy

Youre a tank.. NOT a DD. Period.
A tank wanting to do damage but as well not even be a tank.

jypcy

DuskMarine wrote: »

profundidob16_ESO wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

jypcy wrote: »

I know a guy who tanked the axes in vAA hm in medium armor, and tmk that’s still considered one of the most demanding trial fights for a tank.

I’ve personally tanked vFL hm in medium armor (and a couple times in light) w/o heals, and most people I talk to consider that to be the hardest dungeon fight (imo vBRF hm is more demanding for a tank specifically, but that’s beside the point).

You definitely can tank in medium armor. No it won’t be as efficient as heavy armor is in most scenarios, and you likely won’t have very high damage while also being a good tank, but it’s possible if that’s what you want to do.

in vaa i call that a lie as even heavy armor you still get hit hard by axes and in hm your completely lieing no way can you tank in medium armor in there on hm impossible. in regular dungeons you can probly get away with this but in dlc and trials youll be kicked almost instanteously trying to look cool instead of trying to win.

I’ve tanked it in medium before, it’s sort of the meta right now actually

video cause your 100% lieing cause its impossible. the axes do way to much for a medium armor user to keep up with.

you're wrong again, if a tank with medium armor but near resistance cap has enough health and stamina sustain it's perfectly possible, the rest is skill and knowing when to do heavy attacks.

no it aint video please cause your full of it. no tank will be allowed to come into a vet trial(especially hardmode) with light or medium armor. you dont have heavy your booted instantly. so unless you can show a video of someone tanking it in medium your lieing through your teeth.

Oh look it’s vmol with a medium armor tank (5 PA, 5 Alkosh): https://youtu.be/5bufwrAdOYw (this is the first vid that popped up. For vAA MT specifically you might be able to find a streamer’s vid of it, otherwise if I have time this weekend I’ll make a vid of it)

I’m not sure why you keep going on about people lying. I don’t know why any of us would have a reason to lie, and it’s not like I’ve seen anybody make the assertion that medium armor is better for tanking than heavy armor is (that’s more debatable). OP simply asked if it was possible to tank in medium armor. Several of us, from doing it ourselves or being in a group where somebody’s done it, have confirmed that it is possible. Yeah, it can take skill to successfully do, but protip: just because you’ve never seen it done doesn’t mean that it’s impossible. Even more so, just because it’s not meta doesn’t mean that it’s impossible.

Sugram22

Danksta wrote: »

Sugram22 wrote: »

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Sugram22 wrote: »

Is Med Armor Tank A thing?

i ask that cause with my lvl 30 nord DK tank with sword & shield i feel like i don't have enough Dam, want to be better with damage (with sword & shield) to go to med armor for it, but is it bad for tanking?

also should i go for different race like Orc? like start over as orc?

before u mentioned this, i am not fan of mix matching med & heavy

If you are worried about doing damage as a tank, specially in this game, you are a doing it wrong. Your job is control and debuff mobs and buff your group members.

when in dung i would tank & outside i would like to be good with fighting, with DPS, also in dung until i get to boss i want to be defective at killing to, if its not possible they need to change the game, that ur required to tank only at boss & ur good DPS with other mobs

Tanks can be important to have on some add pulls. Chaining in the adds so the dps can focus them all at once as well as debuffing and taunting hard hitting adds.

i almost forgot, BDW as a tank u can pull only one, well at first u can pull horde if u mean that, but they wont stay on u cause u can taunt all, u can taunt single target, so if u din't mean pull group at first when fight starts then i have no clue what u meant

UrQuan

Sugram22 wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Sugram22 wrote: »

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Sugram22 wrote: »

Is Med Armor Tank A thing?

i ask that cause with my lvl 30 nord DK tank with sword & shield i feel like i don't have enough Dam, want to be better with damage (with sword & shield) to go to med armor for it, but is it bad for tanking?

also should i go for different race like Orc? like start over as orc?

before u mentioned this, i am not fan of mix matching med & heavy

If you are worried about doing damage as a tank, specially in this game, you are a doing it wrong. Your job is control and debuff mobs and buff your group members.

when in dung i would tank & outside i would like to be good with fighting, with DPS, also in dung until i get to boss i want to be defective at killing to, if its not possible they need to change the game, that ur required to tank only at boss & ur good DPS with other mobs

Tanks can be important to have on some add pulls. Chaining in the adds so the dps can focus them all at once as well as debuffing and taunting hard hitting adds.

i almost forgot, BDW as a tank u can pull only one, well at first u can pull horde if u mean that, but they wont stay on u cause u can taunt all, u can taunt single target, so if u din't mean pull group at first when fight starts then i have no clue what u meant

What @Danksta is talking about is grouping the adds together to make it easier & more efficient for the DPS to take them down with AOEs.

Generally what you want to do is be the first one in, go right into the biggest concentration of adds, and start taunting the heavy-hitters, use Fiery Grip/Unrelenting Grip if you're a DK or Silver Leash if you're not to pull in some of the adds who aren't grouped (especially archers & mages), and throw down snares and/or roots to keep the adds grouped until they're burned down.

The way I'll usually do it is to get in to the biggest concentration (sometimes with a gap closer, sometimes just running), immediately use an AOE snare or root, then work on the taunting and chaining before the snare/root expires and then throw down another snare/root just before the first one expires.

Also, I think you've already figured this out by this point in the thread, but don't listen to what @DuskMarine has been saying. He's completely wrong. Permablocking is not a sign of a good tank. Outside of a couple of fights (actually the only one that comes to mind is tanking the axes in vAA, but I'm probably forgetting one or two other fights where you need to permablock) permablocking is a crutch for an inexperienced tank. It's a decent tool to use while you're learning the fight (I tend to do it myself when I'm learning a new fight), but once you know a fight well you won't be permablocking - you'll know when it's safe to drop block and throw in a heavy attack, or just not block and let your stam regen a bit.

He's also completely wrong about medium armour not being good enough to tank vet trials. Since at least as early as when the Armour Master set was introduced in the Imperial City DLC there have been some people who use medium armour to tank endgame content. I don't do it myself: I prefer the more standard 5/1/1 heavy/medium/light setup, but that doesn't mean that it's not viable. Hell, one of the absolute most popular sets for a tank to wear is a medium armour set (Alkosh). Granted most people (myself included) use the jewelry and weapons from it for tanking rather than actual medium armour pieces, but still.

The main thing to remember about tanking in medium armour is that you want to make sure that your resistance is at, or close to, the cap for damage mitigation. As long as you can get your physical and spell resistance to the 30-33K range (and this is absolutely achievable with medium armour) you won't be taking any more damage than a traditional heavy armour tank. You will be missing out on the Constitution, Juggernaut, and Rapid Mending passives, but there are other tools available to medium armour users that can somewhat make up for that, and it's more a matter of getting used to them and tailoring your playstyle around them.

Having said that, you shouldn't be going medium just to increase your own DPS. The most effective way a tank contributes to the group DPS is by debuffing the enemies, buffing the group, and controlling the positioning of everything in the fight so that the rest of the group can burn everything down as efficiently as possible. Yes, you will be having some direct contribution to the total group DPS, but that contribution is far less than the indirect contribution you should be making through buffs/debuffs/positioning. Those are the things you should be focusing on before you start thinking too much about your own DPS.

Dubhliam

Tanking in medium armor takes skill.
Unless you are very familiar with all the passives and mechanics of this game, I would not recommend it.

Same thing goes for "dealing damage" as a tank.
Can it be done? Sure it can!
All players that are experienced PvP players are ready to dish out a bit of damage while at the same time can take a beating.

Key word: experienced.

WOULD
NOT
RECOMMEND

paulsimonps

jypcy wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

profundidob16_ESO wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

jypcy wrote: »

I know a guy who tanked the axes in vAA hm in medium armor, and tmk that’s still considered one of the most demanding trial fights for a tank.

I’ve personally tanked vFL hm in medium armor (and a couple times in light) w/o heals, and most people I talk to consider that to be the hardest dungeon fight (imo vBRF hm is more demanding for a tank specifically, but that’s beside the point).

You definitely can tank in medium armor. No it won’t be as efficient as heavy armor is in most scenarios, and you likely won’t have very high damage while also being a good tank, but it’s possible if that’s what you want to do.

in vaa i call that a lie as even heavy armor you still get hit hard by axes and in hm your completely lieing no way can you tank in medium armor in there on hm impossible. in regular dungeons you can probly get away with this but in dlc and trials youll be kicked almost instanteously trying to look cool instead of trying to win.

I’ve tanked it in medium before, it’s sort of the meta right now actually

video cause your 100% lieing cause its impossible. the axes do way to much for a medium armor user to keep up with.

you're wrong again, if a tank with medium armor but near resistance cap has enough health and stamina sustain it's perfectly possible, the rest is skill and knowing when to do heavy attacks.

no it aint video please cause your full of it. no tank will be allowed to come into a vet trial(especially hardmode) with light or medium armor. you dont have heavy your booted instantly. so unless you can show a video of someone tanking it in medium your lieing through your teeth.

Oh look it’s vmol with a medium armor tank (5 PA, 5 Alkosh): https://youtu.be/5bufwrAdOYw (this is the first vid that popped up. For vAA MT specifically you might be able to find a streamer’s vid of it, otherwise if I have time this weekend I’ll make a vid of it)

I’m not sure why you keep going on about people lying. I don’t know why any of us would have a reason to lie, and it’s not like I’ve seen anybody make the assertion that medium armor is better for tanking than heavy armor is (that’s more debatable). OP simply asked if it was possible to tank in medium armor. Several of us, from doing it ourselves or being in a group where somebody’s done it, have confirmed that it is possible. Yeah, it can take skill to successfully do, but protip: just because you’ve never seen it done doesn’t mean that it’s impossible. Even more so, just because it’s not meta doesn’t mean that it’s impossible.

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Caff32

If you’re under 50 in normal dungeons, it’s fine. I queue as a tank with a sword and board and a taunt on my DPS in medium training Hundings just to get the daily random done faster while leveling. But I also have a ton of CP and if you don’t, it might be a bit trickier. Typically though, I’d you really want to tank, I’d stick to heavy.

Sugram22

Dubhliam wrote: »

Tanking in medium armor takes skill.
Unless you are very familiar with all the passives and mechanics of this game, I would not recommend it.

Same thing goes for "dealing damage" as a tank.
Can it be done? Sure it can!
All players that are experienced PvP players are ready to dish out a bit of damage while at the same time can take a beating.

Key word: experienced.

WOULD
NOT
RECOMMEND

well then i half to stick with heavy, when it comes to trials in future, i doubt i can manage with damage dealer chars i have cause for one their gear & build is focused on Crit DPS & all point are either magic or stmina depending on build is it stam build or magic build char so low HP i doubt that even food would save my in trial dung, tank would be only char i probably manage in trial, cause keeping boss on me sounds easy enough specially compare to damage dealers, but if low HP isn't a issue that u can dodge effectively then maybe i could do trials with other chars to, but ofc i may be bad at it if its 2crazy, but i am more confident with tank when i comes to trials, another question is can my PC handle a trial (its not just PC, issue is mix of PC & connection, i mean both have little bit fault, if it would be single-player game & the others NPC it wouln'd be that bad, but still not perfect), even in mass group war i was not in the middle (cant remember with witch char) but frame rate dropped dam low, if trial is lighter or same it should not be a real issue

BDW Ebon set is W8 for my tank, but i don't have second set yet, that can W8 more, new the question is For solo PVE a second set is Leviathan crit rate is good (that i have, sword shield & jewels)? or i should get Wep dam, that low crit is pointless? or should i get second set that has bit both damage & Tanking?

ofc i would not change my second set for dung (not much fan of chaining gear), or one tanking set isn't enough when he becomes vet?

also one question more would a DPS Templar be good enough healer for trial? he has crit rate gear, well will have crit gear, cause i was thinking that this would boost heal, only heal build is are staff & Templar skills & passives haven't spend any CP on improving heal all has gone to DPS, just curious, i don't even know will i ever use him for trial

(EDIT: i almost forgot, i will get 2 pieces from 3th set just to get little extra HP for my damage dealer classes, i think it had 1.6k HP, but still it wont be enough, archer NB gets max over 17k with the food i can make, well don't have any better recipes & also the better food that has more then over 5k probably uses expensive hard to get ingredients, if so i probably wont try to make them, don't like 2much work, like getting perfect roe, even getting this was pain when i last farmed for it last year & getting something harder to get from roe, i cant imagine working so hard , i don't much like even farming for roe)


@UrQuan
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UrQuan

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