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Is Med Armor Tank A thing?
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Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »Is Med Armor Tank A thing?
i ask that cause with my lvl 30 nord DK tank with sword & shield i feel like i don't have enough Dam, want to be better with damage (with sword & shield) to go to med armor for it, but is it bad for tanking?
also should i go for different race like Orc? like start over as orc?
before u mentioned this, i am not fan of mix matching med & heavy
no medium and light armor you cant tank with. heavy armor only if you dont like how it looks we have outfit system
i only don't like mixing 2 types, only reason i like med is fot stam regen & for damage, i have no issue with heavy armor looks, once i was building Orc for 2h tank with heavy armor until some1 said ur DPS will suck, but issue is i like this type of warrior, i hate the restriction, only issue in skyrim was penalty to stam regen
you know theres no point to stamina regen when tanking right? as when your tanking you have zero regen outside of pots and abilitys. it turns your stamina regen off. so heavy armor is required as a tank. plus if anyone catches you in medium or light armor trying to tank thats instant boot no questions asked cause your not a tank at that point.
Stamina regen works when you're tanking as long as you're not blocking.
yea but you drop block your dead due to cleave you never drop block while tanking. you drop block your a bad tank period.
Sorry I didn't know we were talking about a specific fight. Which fight are we talking about?BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA3 -
DuskMarine✭✭✭✭✭
✭DuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »Is Med Armor Tank A thing?
i ask that cause with my lvl 30 nord DK tank with sword & shield i feel like i don't have enough Dam, want to be better with damage (with sword & shield) to go to med armor for it, but is it bad for tanking?
also should i go for different race like Orc? like start over as orc?
before u mentioned this, i am not fan of mix matching med & heavy
no medium and light armor you cant tank with. heavy armor only if you dont like how it looks we have outfit system
i only don't like mixing 2 types, only reason i like med is fot stam regen & for damage, i have no issue with heavy armor looks, once i was building Orc for 2h tank with heavy armor until some1 said ur DPS will suck, but issue is i like this type of warrior, i hate the restriction, only issue in skyrim was penalty to stam regen
you know theres no point to stamina regen when tanking right? as when your tanking you have zero regen outside of pots and abilitys. it turns your stamina regen off. so heavy armor is required as a tank. plus if anyone catches you in medium or light armor trying to tank thats instant boot no questions asked cause your not a tank at that point.
Stamina regen works when you're tanking as long as you're not blocking.
yea but you drop block your dead due to cleave you never drop block while tanking. you drop block your a bad tank period.
Sorry I didn't know we were talking about a specific fight. Which fight are we talking about?
any vet dungeon with boss mechanics you have to pay attention to normal and vet trials also. leaving out the others cause who takes a tank anymore in the original dungeon line up anymore when 4 dps can clear all of them.0 -
Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »Is Med Armor Tank A thing?
i ask that cause with my lvl 30 nord DK tank with sword & shield i feel like i don't have enough Dam, want to be better with damage (with sword & shield) to go to med armor for it, but is it bad for tanking?
also should i go for different race like Orc? like start over as orc?
before u mentioned this, i am not fan of mix matching med & heavy
no medium and light armor you cant tank with. heavy armor only if you dont like how it looks we have outfit system
i only don't like mixing 2 types, only reason i like med is fot stam regen & for damage, i have no issue with heavy armor looks, once i was building Orc for 2h tank with heavy armor until some1 said ur DPS will suck, but issue is i like this type of warrior, i hate the restriction, only issue in skyrim was penalty to stam regen
you know theres no point to stamina regen when tanking right? as when your tanking you have zero regen outside of pots and abilitys. it turns your stamina regen off. so heavy armor is required as a tank. plus if anyone catches you in medium or light armor trying to tank thats instant boot no questions asked cause your not a tank at that point.
Stamina regen works when you're tanking as long as you're not blocking.
yea but you drop block your dead due to cleave you never drop block while tanking. you drop block your a bad tank period.
Sorry I didn't know we were talking about a specific fight. Which fight are we talking about?
any vet dungeon with boss mechanics you have to pay attention to normal and vet trials also. leaving out the others cause who takes a tank anymore in the original dungeon line up anymore when 4 dps can clear all of them.
Well if you need to perma-block for all of those fights I'd say it's you that's the bad tank.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA13 -
DuskMarine✭✭✭✭✭
✭DuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »Is Med Armor Tank A thing?
i ask that cause with my lvl 30 nord DK tank with sword & shield i feel like i don't have enough Dam, want to be better with damage (with sword & shield) to go to med armor for it, but is it bad for tanking?
also should i go for different race like Orc? like start over as orc?
before u mentioned this, i am not fan of mix matching med & heavy
no medium and light armor you cant tank with. heavy armor only if you dont like how it looks we have outfit system
i only don't like mixing 2 types, only reason i like med is fot stam regen & for damage, i have no issue with heavy armor looks, once i was building Orc for 2h tank with heavy armor until some1 said ur DPS will suck, but issue is i like this type of warrior, i hate the restriction, only issue in skyrim was penalty to stam regen
you know theres no point to stamina regen when tanking right? as when your tanking you have zero regen outside of pots and abilitys. it turns your stamina regen off. so heavy armor is required as a tank. plus if anyone catches you in medium or light armor trying to tank thats instant boot no questions asked cause your not a tank at that point.
Stamina regen works when you're tanking as long as you're not blocking.
yea but you drop block your dead due to cleave you never drop block while tanking. you drop block your a bad tank period.
Sorry I didn't know we were talking about a specific fight. Which fight are we talking about?
any vet dungeon with boss mechanics you have to pay attention to normal and vet trials also. leaving out the others cause who takes a tank anymore in the original dungeon line up anymore when 4 dps can clear all of them.
Well if you need to perma-block for all of those fights I'd say it's you that's the bad tank.
nope a good tank stays alive without risking the teams safety cause he wants to be fancy. no tank should ever drop block you do you endangering the run. you are meant to be a meat shield, not a dps or healer. let them do their job while you stay alive which is your job.0 -
jypcy✭✭✭✭✭I know a guy who tanked the axes in vAA hm in medium armor, and tmk that’s still considered one of the most demanding trial fights for a tank.
I’ve personally tanked vFL hm in medium armor (and a couple times in light) w/o heals, and most people I talk to consider that to be the hardest dungeon fight (imo vBRF hm is more demanding for a tank specifically, but that’s beside the point).
You definitely can tank in medium armor. No it won’t be as efficient as heavy armor is in most scenarios, and you likely won’t have very high damage while also being a good tank, but it’s possible if that’s what you want to do.1 -
DuskMarine✭✭✭✭✭
✭I know a guy who tanked the axes in vAA hm in medium armor, and tmk that’s still considered one of the most demanding trial fights for a tank.
I’ve personally tanked vFL hm in medium armor (and a couple times in light) w/o heals, and most people I talk to consider that to be the hardest dungeon fight (imo vBRF hm is more demanding for a tank specifically, but that’s beside the point).
You definitely can tank in medium armor. No it won’t be as efficient as heavy armor is in most scenarios, and you likely won’t have very high damage while also being a good tank, but it’s possible if that’s what you want to do.
in vaa i call that a lie as even heavy armor you still get hit hard by axes and in hm your completely lieing no way can you tank in medium armor in there on hm impossible. in regular dungeons you can probly get away with this but in dlc and trials youll be kicked almost instanteously trying to look cool instead of trying to win.0 -
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✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »Is Med Armor Tank A thing?
i ask that cause with my lvl 30 nord DK tank with sword & shield i feel like i don't have enough Dam, want to be better with damage (with sword & shield) to go to med armor for it, but is it bad for tanking?
also should i go for different race like Orc? like start over as orc?
before u mentioned this, i am not fan of mix matching med & heavy
no medium and light armor you cant tank with. heavy armor only if you dont like how it looks we have outfit system
i only don't like mixing 2 types, only reason i like med is fot stam regen & for damage, i have no issue with heavy armor looks, once i was building Orc for 2h tank with heavy armor until some1 said ur DPS will suck, but issue is i like this type of warrior, i hate the restriction, only issue in skyrim was penalty to stam regen
you know theres no point to stamina regen when tanking right? as when your tanking you have zero regen outside of pots and abilitys. it turns your stamina regen off. so heavy armor is required as a tank. plus if anyone catches you in medium or light armor trying to tank thats instant boot no questions asked cause your not a tank at that point.
Stamina regen works when you're tanking as long as you're not blocking.
yea but you drop block your dead due to cleave you never drop block while tanking. you drop block your a bad tank period.
Sorry I didn't know we were talking about a specific fight. Which fight are we talking about?
any vet dungeon with boss mechanics you have to pay attention to normal and vet trials also. leaving out the others cause who takes a tank anymore in the original dungeon line up anymore when 4 dps can clear all of them.
Well if you need to perma-block for all of those fights I'd say it's you that's the bad tank.
nope a good tank stays alive without risking the teams safety cause he wants to be fancy. no tank should ever drop block you do you endangering the run. you are meant to be a meat shield, not a dps or healer. let them do their job while you stay alive which is your job.
Not true at all. You don't need to perma block every single fight. Tanks are mostly hybrid with stats and stam and magicka regen are extremely vital. You can tank your own way.6 -
Itacira✭✭✭✭✭I didn't see an answer to my question - and if there was, my bad - so I'll repeat it here :
Which would be the best damage/defense balance : medium armor with a defensive set like those mentioned above or heavy armor set with an aggressive set ?PC/EU - PVE 2H stam orc petsorc (meta, what meta?) ww - terrible dps - mediocre player - fun times - free ww bites to whomever asks so don't be shy if interested0 -
nemvar✭✭✭✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »I know a guy who tanked the axes in vAA hm in medium armor, and tmk that’s still considered one of the most demanding trial fights for a tank.
I’ve personally tanked vFL hm in medium armor (and a couple times in light) w/o heals, and most people I talk to consider that to be the hardest dungeon fight (imo vBRF hm is more demanding for a tank specifically, but that’s beside the point).
You definitely can tank in medium armor. No it won’t be as efficient as heavy armor is in most scenarios, and you likely won’t have very high damage while also being a good tank, but it’s possible if that’s what you want to do.
in vaa i call that a lie as even heavy armor you still get hit hard by axes and in hm your completely lieing no way can you tank in medium armor in there on hm impossible. in regular dungeons you can probly get away with this but in dlc and trials youll be kicked almost instanteously trying to look cool instead of trying to win.
I seriously doubt that you have a proper grasp on this game. A good tank ocasionally drops block for better crusher enchant uptime with light attacks. Furthermore you often need to drop block in more movement focused fights such as Zaan or the Giantress in vSC.
There is absolutly no need to permablock in most fights. In some fights it is even detrimental to block (planar inhibitor). If you time your blocks in trashpulls you have a lot more stamina which you need for leash on non-dk tanks.
I personally think that for vSC a sorc 'shield tank' in light armor would probably be better than your classic heavy armor build. You can selfpurge more effectively and have a ranged interrupt on the first boss, have good enough shielding for the geysers and more mobility/damage for zaan.
Unless you are in a progression group tanks are not just meatbags. They are a support role that strifes to maximise damage output. Medium armor + tavas has a better warhorn uptime than heavy armor which is something very valuable in 4 man content.Edited by nemvar on August 1, 2018 8:07PM2 -
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✭✭Is Med Armor Tank A thing?
i ask that cause with my lvl 30 nord DK tank with sword & shield i feel like i don't have enough Dam, want to be better with damage (with sword & shield) to go to med armor for it, but is it bad for tanking?
also should i go for different race like Orc? like start over as orc?
before u mentioned this, i am not fan of mix matching med & heavy
If you are worried about doing damage as a tank, specially in this game, you are a doing it wrong. Your job is control and debuff mobs and buff your group members.0 -
Sugram22✭✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »Is Med Armor Tank A thing?
i ask that cause with my lvl 30 nord DK tank with sword & shield i feel like i don't have enough Dam, want to be better with damage (with sword & shield) to go to med armor for it, but is it bad for tanking?
also should i go for different race like Orc? like start over as orc?
before u mentioned this, i am not fan of mix matching med & heavy
no medium and light armor you cant tank with. heavy armor only if you dont like how it looks we have outfit system
i only don't like mixing 2 types, only reason i like med is fot stam regen & for damage, i have no issue with heavy armor looks, once i was building Orc for 2h tank with heavy armor until some1 said ur DPS will suck, but issue is i like this type of warrior, i hate the restriction, only issue in skyrim was penalty to stam regen
you know theres no point to stamina regen when tanking right? as when your tanking you have zero regen outside of pots and abilitys. it turns your stamina regen off. so heavy armor is required as a tank. plus if anyone catches you in medium or light armor trying to tank thats instant boot no questions asked cause your not a tank at that point.
well for solo PVE i need stam regen, i need to be prepared for that to, group dung tank out DPS without chaining gear or anything, that's how i roll even if it is heavy armor i half to wearDuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »Is Med Armor Tank A thing?
i ask that cause with my lvl 30 nord DK tank with sword & shield i feel like i don't have enough Dam, want to be better with damage (with sword & shield) to go to med armor for it, but is it bad for tanking?
also should i go for different race like Orc? like start over as orc?
before u mentioned this, i am not fan of mix matching med & heavy
no medium and light armor you cant tank with. heavy armor only if you dont like how it looks we have outfit system
i only don't like mixing 2 types, only reason i like med is fot stam regen & for damage, i have no issue with heavy armor looks, once i was building Orc for 2h tank with heavy armor until some1 said ur DPS will suck, but issue is i like this type of warrior, i hate the restriction, only issue in skyrim was penalty to stam regen
you know theres no point to stamina regen when tanking right? as when your tanking you have zero regen outside of pots and abilitys. it turns your stamina regen off. so heavy armor is required as a tank. plus if anyone catches you in medium or light armor trying to tank thats instant boot no questions asked cause your not a tank at that point.
Stamina regen works when you're tanking as long as you're not blocking.
also good pointDuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »Is Med Armor Tank A thing?
i ask that cause with my lvl 30 nord DK tank with sword & shield i feel like i don't have enough Dam, want to be better with damage (with sword & shield) to go to med armor for it, but is it bad for tanking?
also should i go for different race like Orc? like start over as orc?
before u mentioned this, i am not fan of mix matching med & heavy
no medium and light armor you cant tank with. heavy armor only if you dont like how it looks we have outfit system
i only don't like mixing 2 types, only reason i like med is fot stam regen & for damage, i have no issue with heavy armor looks, once i was building Orc for 2h tank with heavy armor until some1 said ur DPS will suck, but issue is i like this type of warrior, i hate the restriction, only issue in skyrim was penalty to stam regen
you know theres no point to stamina regen when tanking right? as when your tanking you have zero regen outside of pots and abilitys. it turns your stamina regen off. so heavy armor is required as a tank. plus if anyone catches you in medium or light armor trying to tank thats instant boot no questions asked cause your not a tank at that point.
Stamina regen works when you're tanking as long as you're not blocking.
yea but you drop block your dead due to cleave you never drop block while tanking. you drop block your a bad tank period.
if u don't drop block to regen stam ur also dead when boss does light attacks u use the opportunity
also u cant use permanent block on boss, cause that means u dont taunt & if u taunt u use stam witch means u slowly run out of stam
Edited by Sugram22 on August 1, 2018 8:50PM0 -
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Any tank worth his weight is not gonna be perma blocking, its not necessary nor is it efficient to do so. This goes for Trials as well as difficult dungeons. Please stop telling people that dropping block makes you a bad tank, the opposite is more true than what you are claiming. Timing is the key here, and knowledge.9 -
Sugram22✭✭✭DMuehlhausen wrote: »Is Med Armor Tank A thing?
i ask that cause with my lvl 30 nord DK tank with sword & shield i feel like i don't have enough Dam, want to be better with damage (with sword & shield) to go to med armor for it, but is it bad for tanking?
also should i go for different race like Orc? like start over as orc?
before u mentioned this, i am not fan of mix matching med & heavy
If you are worried about doing damage as a tank, specially in this game, you are a doing it wrong. Your job is control and debuff mobs and buff your group members.
when in dung i would tank & outside i would like to be good with fighting, with DPS, also in dung until i get to boss i want to be defective at killing to, if its not possible they need to change the game, that ur required to tank only at boss & ur good DPS with other mobsEdited by Sugram22 on August 1, 2018 8:54PM0 -
Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭DMuehlhausen wrote: »Is Med Armor Tank A thing?
i ask that cause with my lvl 30 nord DK tank with sword & shield i feel like i don't have enough Dam, want to be better with damage (with sword & shield) to go to med armor for it, but is it bad for tanking?
also should i go for different race like Orc? like start over as orc?
before u mentioned this, i am not fan of mix matching med & heavy
If you are worried about doing damage as a tank, specially in this game, you are a doing it wrong. Your job is control and debuff mobs and buff your group members.
when in dung i would tank & outside i would like to be good with fighting, with DPS, also in dung until i get to boss i want to be defective at killing to, if its not possible they need to change the game, that ur required to tank only at boss & ur good DPS with other mobs
Tanks can be important to have on some add pulls. Chaining in the adds so the dps can focus them all at once as well as debuffing and taunting hard hitting adds.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA2 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Medium armor tanking can be done. vMoL HM was cleared with a tank in medium armor.
Granted it was with a group of some of the best in the game and before sustain was nerfed to the ground which included the homogenization of orbs and shards. So it can be done but would be more challenging now.
The main reason for it would be to wear Alkosh and Powerful Assault to boost the groups damage. Beyund that I do not see a good reason for it.
Of course OP is talking about lvl 30 so it really does not matter what he/she wears. Nothing serious to tank at that level. For tanking of more challenging content at end game tanks do not gear for doing damage themselves.
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✭I didn't see an answer to my question - and if there was, my bad - so I'll repeat it here :
Which would be the best damage/defense balance : medium armor with a defensive set like those mentioned above or heavy armor set with an aggressive set ?
I've seen it answered a few times...There is no "Hybrid". You either go best damage (DPS) or best defense (tank). You want to do both, use different gear.Littlebluelizard wrote: »Then I suggest going after a DPS build, going full damage. There's no reason to only use one build though, you can have multiple sets to different occasions. I'd use DPS sets while questing and switch to my tank gear when I am tanking in Dungeons. There's no such thing as Tank build that does good damage in GROUP enviroment. You can have a bit of damage but it will not compare to a DPS build.You can't actually tank things in medium armor - not more tanky than any medium armored DD. But you - for your 'tankyness' - would sacrifice your DPS capability.
Basically: not a tank, not a DD, why this guy even in my group? Votekick.
In matter of "content at low levels are easy anyway, who cares?" - I'll answer: still better be a pure DD then. In the game mechs, "offense - the best defense", so even light armored DD would be better than that lol-tank.
Now it clearer?I have completely different set-ups between tanking for group content compared to doing overland content.
As a tank, your DPS is going to be abysmal, you're wearing 5/1/1 (H/M/L armor pieces) with dual 1H&Shield set-up with very few to no DPS skills on your bar. Tanks job is to CC, Taunt, and position the Boss and Adds and survive getting hit by really big bosses, a large amount of creatures, or (most likely) both. Your gear sets and CP choices are going to reflect that as well, opting for survivability and group buffs to DPS.
However, for solo content, run whatever you want. I often run all medium with a 2h/Bow set-up if I'm doing solo content because the lack of DPS outfitted as a tank makes combat/questing excruciatingly boring.
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MerlinPendragon✭✭✭✭Maybe it could work for a hybrid template, but true tanks should be wearing heavy armor._____________________________________
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Brutusmax1mus✭✭✭✭✭
✭DuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »Is Med Armor Tank A thing?
i ask that cause with my lvl 30 nord DK tank with sword & shield i feel like i don't have enough Dam, want to be better with damage (with sword & shield) to go to med armor for it, but is it bad for tanking?
also should i go for different race like Orc? like start over as orc?
before u mentioned this, i am not fan of mix matching med & heavy
no medium and light armor you cant tank with. heavy armor only if you dont like how it looks we have outfit system
i only don't like mixing 2 types, only reason i like med is fot stam regen & for damage, i have no issue with heavy armor looks, once i was building Orc for 2h tank with heavy armor until some1 said ur DPS will suck, but issue is i like this type of warrior, i hate the restriction, only issue in skyrim was penalty to stam regen
you know theres no point to stamina regen when tanking right? as when your tanking you have zero regen outside of pots and abilitys. it turns your stamina regen off. so heavy armor is required as a tank. plus if anyone catches you in medium or light armor trying to tank thats instant boot no questions asked cause your not a tank at that point.
Stamina regen works when you're tanking as long as you're not blocking.
yea but you drop block your dead due to cleave you never drop block while tanking. you drop block your a bad tank period.
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I’ve tanked it in medium before, it’s sort of the meta right now actuallyDuskMarine wrote: »I know a guy who tanked the axes in vAA hm in medium armor, and tmk that’s still considered one of the most demanding trial fights for a tank.
I’ve personally tanked vFL hm in medium armor (and a couple times in light) w/o heals, and most people I talk to consider that to be the hardest dungeon fight (imo vBRF hm is more demanding for a tank specifically, but that’s beside the point).
You definitely can tank in medium armor. No it won’t be as efficient as heavy armor is in most scenarios, and you likely won’t have very high damage while also being a good tank, but it’s possible if that’s what you want to do.
in vaa i call that a lie as even heavy armor you still get hit hard by axes and in hm your completely lieing no way can you tank in medium armor in there on hm impossible. in regular dungeons you can probly get away with this but in dlc and trials youll be kicked almost instanteously trying to look cool instead of trying to win.#MOREORBS2 -
Ravingar✭✭✭Nah be like. Magicka warden in full LIGHT ARMOUR, with fortified brass. You get good passives and can heal like crazy, basically making you immortal.PC NA
User ID : @Ravingar | CP 830+
Tommo Bladell | Redguard | Dragonknight | Stamina | DPS
Ma'Muhn | Breton | Templar | Magicka | Healer
Falls-Over-Regularly | Argonian | Warden | Magicka | Tank
Jinjiin | High Elf | Sorcerer | Magicka | DPS
Ruv'erenar | Khajiit | Nightblade | Magicka | DPS
Exkalibur Whitesmith | Nord | Dragonknight | Stamina | Tank0 -
DoobZ69✭✭✭✭I've tanked 5/2 heavy/med for a long time thinking the stamina regen was worth wearing medium. But with all 7 heavy the passives make up for a better stamina regen overall. When I go back to 5/2 in a DLC dungeon now I almost instantly feel myself lacking stamina.
If you can get close to 33k resist you are essentially as tanky as you can get, no matter what manner of armor you are actually wearing. However, the passives for each give different bonuses. The dodge skill from 5 medium is actually very powerful in terms of DPS because it puts the boss who's attack you dodge into Off-balance and can increase the group's DPS.
The crit increase from wearing Medium is quite beneficial to Sorcerers sporting crit surge as tanks. But because you will aim for resists and not necessarily DPS gear for tanking this is a very minor increase and quite niche.
Overall you are better off with Heavy DPS gear. As a tank I run Tremorscale (for the taunt DPS/snare proc), Hundings (because its good and craftable), Dreugh King (weapon increase and a nice proc). 2 pieces of Hundings are Medium because I crafted it) and helps with DPS and it works out nicely. I also find Heavy to be better for PvP anyway because of survivability.
You can tank in Medium perfectly fine in non-DLC vet dungeons and non-vet trials but I wouldn't recommend it for vet DLC dungeons and vet trials.
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I’ve tanked it in medium before, it’s sort of the meta right now actuallyDuskMarine wrote: »I know a guy who tanked the axes in vAA hm in medium armor, and tmk that’s still considered one of the most demanding trial fights for a tank.
I’ve personally tanked vFL hm in medium armor (and a couple times in light) w/o heals, and most people I talk to consider that to be the hardest dungeon fight (imo vBRF hm is more demanding for a tank specifically, but that’s beside the point).
You definitely can tank in medium armor. No it won’t be as efficient as heavy armor is in most scenarios, and you likely won’t have very high damage while also being a good tank, but it’s possible if that’s what you want to do.
in vaa i call that a lie as even heavy armor you still get hit hard by axes and in hm your completely lieing no way can you tank in medium armor in there on hm impossible. in regular dungeons you can probly get away with this but in dlc and trials youll be kicked almost instanteously trying to look cool instead of trying to win.
video cause your 100% lieing cause its impossible. the axes do way to much for a medium armor user to keep up with.0 -
Sugram22✭✭✭DMuehlhausen wrote: »Is Med Armor Tank A thing?
i ask that cause with my lvl 30 nord DK tank with sword & shield i feel like i don't have enough Dam, want to be better with damage (with sword & shield) to go to med armor for it, but is it bad for tanking?
also should i go for different race like Orc? like start over as orc?
before u mentioned this, i am not fan of mix matching med & heavy
If you are worried about doing damage as a tank, specially in this game, you are a doing it wrong. Your job is control and debuff mobs and buff your group members.
when in dung i would tank & outside i would like to be good with fighting, with DPS, also in dung until i get to boss i want to be defective at killing to, if its not possible they need to change the game, that ur required to tank only at boss & ur good DPS with other mobs
Tanks can be important to have on some add pulls. Chaining in the adds so the dps can focus them all at once as well as debuffing and taunting hard hitting adds.
i have Ebon set W8 for him to get lvl 50 then hes 369CP, maybe yawls & sword & shield i should get some other set then that gives crit rate or is wep dam more useful for that? like this little crit rate 1set gives is pointless?
my tank has poison caw & toxic breath on my second bar to add DOT, well i think claw was on my first bar
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✭We can get maximum mitigation with medium armor + 15% dodge chance, so, it would actually be more efficient in term of mitigation. The only situation heavy armor would be better is a Perma-blocking fight, because you have a passive return of ressources in heavy armor.
But here, the problem is about sustain, not mitigation. You can easily get to the resistance cap, with a decent block cost, and group utility. Alkosh + Powerful Assault, or even Alkosh + Tava for more ultimate.
I don't understand how you can say "It does too much damage to survive this in medium" when you can easily explode the resistance cap even in medium. I would agree with "It drains too much stamina to survive this without the passive return". And yet, it would only apply to fights where perma-block is required, and outside of that, you would have more stamina regen, and even dodge chances...
Oh, and medium armor reduces the stamina cost of the abilities...Edited by Elwendryll on August 2, 2018 8:29AMPC - EU - France - AD
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profundidob16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »Is Med Armor Tank A thing?
i ask that cause with my lvl 30 nord DK tank with sword & shield i feel like i don't have enough Dam, want to be better with damage (with sword & shield) to go to med armor for it, but is it bad for tanking?
also should i go for different race like Orc? like start over as orc?
before u mentioned this, i am not fan of mix matching med & heavy
no medium and light armor you cant tank with. heavy armor only if you dont like how it looks we have outfit system
i only don't like mixing 2 types, only reason i like med is fot stam regen & for damage, i have no issue with heavy armor looks, once i was building Orc for 2h tank with heavy armor until some1 said ur DPS will suck, but issue is i like this type of warrior, i hate the restriction, only issue in skyrim was penalty to stam regen
you know theres no point to stamina regen when tanking right? as when your tanking you have zero regen outside of pots and abilitys. it turns your stamina regen off. so heavy armor is required as a tank. plus if anyone catches you in medium or light armor trying to tank thats instant boot no questions asked cause your not a tank at that point.
Stamina regen works when you're tanking as long as you're not blocking.
yea but you drop block your dead due to cleave you never drop block while tanking. you drop block your a bad tank period.
oh boy...quite the opposite !! If you permablock every single fight it means you're a bad tank. It means you don't even know when you really have to block something and when you can do heavy attacks to selfsustain properly. Part of the skill into tanking content is precisely knowing exactly what and when must be blocked and what not.1 -
profundidob16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I didn't see an answer to my question - and if there was, my bad - so I'll repeat it here :
Which would be the best damage/defense balance : medium armor with a defensive set like those mentioned above or heavy armor set with an aggressive set ?
hey,
the best would be a medium armor build with a defensive touch where needed. Think of it as a stamina dps build with 64 points into stamina (for dps) which you then turn into the tankiest possible with for instance a medium fortified brass set and plague doctor weaps-jewelry, top off with mighty chudan if needed for the toughest content. For anything you feel easier to tank you can swap your second set into a dps set and dps monster set. Finally for the easiest you content like normal dungeons you can even swap the brass set for a dps set as well turning you basically into almost a full dps except for the fact that your front bar is sword+shield for the absolute basics of tanking, taunting and mob control. The back bar would be pure dps.
Just be aware that there would be limits to this build as it is not made for pure tanking the heaviest possible. But any dungeon and normal trials or even offtanking vet trials should be perfectly doable and allow you to switch on the fly to be more dps or more tankyEdited by profundidob16_ESO on August 2, 2018 10:49AM1 -
profundidob16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »
I’ve tanked it in medium before, it’s sort of the meta right now actuallyDuskMarine wrote: »I know a guy who tanked the axes in vAA hm in medium armor, and tmk that’s still considered one of the most demanding trial fights for a tank.
I’ve personally tanked vFL hm in medium armor (and a couple times in light) w/o heals, and most people I talk to consider that to be the hardest dungeon fight (imo vBRF hm is more demanding for a tank specifically, but that’s beside the point).
You definitely can tank in medium armor. No it won’t be as efficient as heavy armor is in most scenarios, and you likely won’t have very high damage while also being a good tank, but it’s possible if that’s what you want to do.
in vaa i call that a lie as even heavy armor you still get hit hard by axes and in hm your completely lieing no way can you tank in medium armor in there on hm impossible. in regular dungeons you can probly get away with this but in dlc and trials youll be kicked almost instanteously trying to look cool instead of trying to win.
video cause your 100% lieing cause its impossible. the axes do way to much for a medium armor user to keep up with.
you're wrong again, if a tank with medium armor but near resistance cap has enough health and stamina sustain it's perfectly possible, the rest is skill and knowing when to do heavy attacks.1 -
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✭✭✭DuskMarine wrote: »
I’ve tanked it in medium before, it’s sort of the meta right now actuallyDuskMarine wrote: »I know a guy who tanked the axes in vAA hm in medium armor, and tmk that’s still considered one of the most demanding trial fights for a tank.
I’ve personally tanked vFL hm in medium armor (and a couple times in light) w/o heals, and most people I talk to consider that to be the hardest dungeon fight (imo vBRF hm is more demanding for a tank specifically, but that’s beside the point).
You definitely can tank in medium armor. No it won’t be as efficient as heavy armor is in most scenarios, and you likely won’t have very high damage while also being a good tank, but it’s possible if that’s what you want to do.
in vaa i call that a lie as even heavy armor you still get hit hard by axes and in hm your completely lieing no way can you tank in medium armor in there on hm impossible. in regular dungeons you can probly get away with this but in dlc and trials youll be kicked almost instanteously trying to look cool instead of trying to win.
video cause your 100% lieing cause its impossible. the axes do way to much for a medium armor user to keep up with.
@DuskMarine
What type of set up are you running to be that afraid of the Axes? I mean really its just the Axes, its not like you are tanking Saint Olms in vet where his light attacks does 150,000 if unmitigated. You can get to really high mitigation really fast with very few things, resistance is not as important as most people are lead to believe and that is the main difference between the armor types. vAA HM is not that hard for Tanks health and mitigation wise, its mostly about learning how to keep aggro from a high amount of targets simultaneously, the damage is not that bad really. As long as you don't forget to block the Heavy attacks of the Axes, cause you know, the stun.1 -
Malacthulhu✭✭✭✭As much as dps dying is a thing so is medium armor tanking. I hope that helped.Xbox One Na0 -
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✭profundidob16_ESO wrote: »DuskMarine wrote: »
I’ve tanked it in medium before, it’s sort of the meta right now actuallyDuskMarine wrote: »I know a guy who tanked the axes in vAA hm in medium armor, and tmk that’s still considered one of the most demanding trial fights for a tank.
I’ve personally tanked vFL hm in medium armor (and a couple times in light) w/o heals, and most people I talk to consider that to be the hardest dungeon fight (imo vBRF hm is more demanding for a tank specifically, but that’s beside the point).
You definitely can tank in medium armor. No it won’t be as efficient as heavy armor is in most scenarios, and you likely won’t have very high damage while also being a good tank, but it’s possible if that’s what you want to do.
in vaa i call that a lie as even heavy armor you still get hit hard by axes and in hm your completely lieing no way can you tank in medium armor in there on hm impossible. in regular dungeons you can probly get away with this but in dlc and trials youll be kicked almost instanteously trying to look cool instead of trying to win.
video cause your 100% lieing cause its impossible. the axes do way to much for a medium armor user to keep up with.
you're wrong again, if a tank with medium armor but near resistance cap has enough health and stamina sustain it's perfectly possible, the rest is skill and knowing when to do heavy attacks.
no it aint video please cause your full of it. no tank will be allowed to come into a vet trial(especially hardmode) with light or medium armor. you dont have heavy your booted instantly. so unless you can show a video of someone tanking it in medium your lieing through your teeth.0