Is Med Armor Tank A thing?

Sugram22

Is Med Armor Tank A thing?

i ask that cause with my lvl 30 nord DK tank with sword & shield i feel like i don't have enough Dam, want to be better with damage (with sword & shield) to go to med armor for it, but is it bad for tanking?

also should i go for different race like Orc? like start over as orc?

before u mentioned this, i am not fan of mix matching med & heavy

Ratzkifal

Generally speaking medium armor tanking is a very bad idea, yes.
However if you run Fortified Brass (a craftable tank set) in medium, you can get the 30k physical and spell resistance to be a proper tank. The evasion skill from medium armor comes in very handy and you can then combine it with Tava's blessing (another crafted set that gives you ultimate when evading attacks). If you have access to crafted jewelry, then you can even wear a monster set along with that.

Nords are perfectly fine for tanking. Orcs are generally considered better, but there is no need for you to change your race. Unless you want to be in the top 1% of the leader boards in pve your race doesn't matter.

Keep in mind that your damage might still be lacking as you are practically sacrificing a 5 piece set for the medium armor passives.

Elwendryll

I made a medium armor tanking build for fun. (Pure theorycraft)
http://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=76643
40k health, resists at cap + 15% dodge chance...
Vykosa isn't on UESP yet, I put Shadowrend to put vigor instead of heroic slash...

Nifty2g

Yes Medium Armor tanking has been a thing for awhile now, you use Powerful Assault & Alkosh. Typically "off tanks" do it in trial groups.

Sugram22

Elwendryll wrote: »

I made a medium armor tanking build for fun. (Pure theorycraft)
http://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=76643
40k health, resists at cap + 15% dodge chance...
Vykosa isn't on UESP yet, I put Shadowrend to put vigor instead of heroic slash...

64 heath

i with stam chars always go for stam 64 & magic chars with magic 64 & never take health, stam gives damage

but i didn't get what is the overload bar, there are just 2, u can swap between 2wep not 3 so didn't get that

Dr_Rektar

long ago used Powerfull assault for trial offtank and tanking vet dungoens, not sure if its a thing now

Elwendryll

It's a sorcerer build, and sorcerers have a third bar unlocked when using the Overload ultimate, you can put other skills here (even an other ultimate), but casting any weapon ability will take you back to the normal bar.

I just do builds when at work, for my entertainment. I will most certainly never test this. It was just to show you a tank build with medium armor. Because I happened to have one already made, but for sorcerer, because it's my main class. But, anyway, for most veteran dungeons, you can survive the boss aggro even with a DD build, if you really want to do damages.

The build I linked here has some buffs and group utility.

SilverWF

A thing... to laugh on

GimpyPorcupine

At level 30, you're still only running normal dungeons, so medium will work fine. Do equip two pieces of heavy for the passives though.

Itacira

Which would be best then, in terms of damage/defense balance ? A heavy armor build with an agressive set, or a medium armor build with a defensive set ?

@SilverWF don't be an assbutt

Gnozo

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Generally speaking medium armor tanking is a very bad idea, yes.
However if you run Fortified Brass (a craftable tank set) in medium, you can get the 30k physical and spell resistance to be a proper tank. The evasion skill from medium armor comes in very handy and you can then combine it with Tava's blessing (another crafted set that gives you ultimate when evading attacks). If you have access to crafted jewelry, then you can even wear a monster set along with that.

Nords are perfectly fine for tanking. Orcs are generally considered better, but there is no need for you to change your race. Unless you want to be in the top 1% of the leader boards in pve your race doesn't matter.

Keep in mind that your damage might still be lacking as you are practically sacrificing a 5 piece set for the medium armor passives.

Orcs better for tanking? Why? I would say Argonian are bis atm.

Also you cant wear 2x 5piece crafted sets without juwelry crafting. And at lvl 30 this wouldnt make much sense to craft juwelry.

Sure you can tank normal dungeons in medium but for endgame you should go heavy cause medium armor passives are not made for tanking.

Sugram22

Gnozo wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Generally speaking medium armor tanking is a very bad idea, yes.
However if you run Fortified Brass (a craftable tank set) in medium, you can get the 30k physical and spell resistance to be a proper tank. The evasion skill from medium armor comes in very handy and you can then combine it with Tava's blessing (another crafted set that gives you ultimate when evading attacks). If you have access to crafted jewelry, then you can even wear a monster set along with that.

Nords are perfectly fine for tanking. Orcs are generally considered better, but there is no need for you to change your race. Unless you want to be in the top 1% of the leader boards in pve your race doesn't matter.

Keep in mind that your damage might still be lacking as you are practically sacrificing a 5 piece set for the medium armor passives.

Orcs better for tanking? Why? I would say Argonian are bis atm.

Also you cant wear 2x 5piece crafted sets without juwelry crafting. And at lvl 30 this wouldnt make much sense to craft juwelry.

Sure you can tank normal dungeons in medium but for endgame you should go heavy cause medium armor passives are not made for tanking.

i was thinking Orc for more damage

also i would like to be DPS tank forever without changing in the end


that's where skyrim was better (only thing heavy armor gave penalty to stam a bit (or was it stam regen), but u could be 2h warrior with heavy armor & sword & shield guy with med)

i don't expect to be as good with 1h as i am with 2h (i have second DK to orc 2H guy), but i do expect to slice enemy's faster, that's why i am not fan of the restriction of either be tank or DPS


or maybe ESO needs new class whos Wep fighting style with Sword & sheild is bit different & skills are slightly faster kind of like DW, so he taunts to, but is bit better at DPS & he will actually benefit from MED armor more, bit more balanced class whom with cp build u could still make more tank

Peekachu99

It’s more than a thing and with jewelry crafting on something like Bone Pirate you lose nothing, have gobs more sustain and damage, and can have the same defensive values as Heavy. I even have a PVP Magden that’s defesively capped—without Fortified Brass—in Light Armor with 3K spellpower and 2K regen.

Sugram22

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Generally speaking medium armor tanking is a very bad idea, yes.
However if you run Fortified Brass (a craftable tank set) in medium, you can get the 30k physical and spell resistance to be a proper tank. The evasion skill from medium armor comes in very handy and you can then combine it with Tava's blessing (another crafted set that gives you ultimate when evading attacks). If you have access to crafted jewelry, then you can even wear a monster set along with that.

Nords are perfectly fine for tanking. Orcs are generally considered better, but there is no need for you to change your race. Unless you want to be in the top 1% of the leader boards in pve your race doesn't matter.

Keep in mind that your damage might still be lacking as you are practically sacrificing a 5 piece set for the medium armor passives.

to be honest if not consider the passives i like nord better cause skyrim focused around Nord's & there he also was best for any type of warrior, but starting over has bit benefit, i start in summerset (& also new lvl up rewards) & easier to get armor lvl, changing at lvl 30 hurts a bit i did that with my 2h orc DK, it slightly hurts to run in med when i use to run in heavy


well i'l see when i start playing him, but even if i start again it would be Nord probably

Nevasca

Sugram22 wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Generally speaking medium armor tanking is a very bad idea, yes.
However if you run Fortified Brass (a craftable tank set) in medium, you can get the 30k physical and spell resistance to be a proper tank. The evasion skill from medium armor comes in very handy and you can then combine it with Tava's blessing (another crafted set that gives you ultimate when evading attacks). If you have access to crafted jewelry, then you can even wear a monster set along with that.

Nords are perfectly fine for tanking. Orcs are generally considered better, but there is no need for you to change your race. Unless you want to be in the top 1% of the leader boards in pve your race doesn't matter.

Keep in mind that your damage might still be lacking as you are practically sacrificing a 5 piece set for the medium armor passives.

Orcs better for tanking? Why? I would say Argonian are bis atm.

Also you cant wear 2x 5piece crafted sets without juwelry crafting. And at lvl 30 this wouldnt make much sense to craft juwelry.

Sure you can tank normal dungeons in medium but for endgame you should go heavy cause medium armor passives are not made for tanking.

i was thinking Orc for more damage

also i would like to be DPS tank forever without changing in the end


that's where skyrim was better (only thing heavy armor gave penalty to stam a bit (or was it stam regen), but u could be 2h warrior with heavy armor & sword & shield guy with med)

i don't expect to be as good with 1h as i am with 2h (i have second DK to orc 2H guy), but i do expect to slice enemy's faster, that's why i am not fan of the restriction of either be tank or DPS


or maybe ESO needs new class whos Wep fighting style with Sword & sheild is bit different & skills are slightly faster kind of like DW, so he taunts to, but is bit better at DPS & he will actually benefit from MED armor more, bit more balanced class whom with cp build u could still make more tank

It's because you're low level and do not have gear sets yet, that's why you feel weak, ask someone to craft you Hundings Rage and Night Mothers Gaze, you will feel a huge diference. The build you described fits PvP builds that use 2h/Sword+Shield and Heavy Armor while having a lot of damage, functioning like a Bruiser type. These builds use sets like Fury and Seventh Legion, these sets allow you to get stronger the more and more you get hit.

These builds don't work well in group PvE scenarios where you have roles though: You either do damage in the DPS role, or you are tanky while providing utlity in the Tank role. You don't necessarily need to be in heavy armor to tank for example, but you have a role that is to taunt, survive and provide as much utility as possible, how you do that is entirely up to you. But I am talking about group enviroment (Dungeons and Trials), when you are solo, the PvP bruiser type builds are actually really strong due to the high survivability and high damage potential, regardless if you are in PvE or PvP.

Sugram22

Littlebluelizard wrote: »

Sugram22 wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Generally speaking medium armor tanking is a very bad idea, yes.
However if you run Fortified Brass (a craftable tank set) in medium, you can get the 30k physical and spell resistance to be a proper tank. The evasion skill from medium armor comes in very handy and you can then combine it with Tava's blessing (another crafted set that gives you ultimate when evading attacks). If you have access to crafted jewelry, then you can even wear a monster set along with that.

Nords are perfectly fine for tanking. Orcs are generally considered better, but there is no need for you to change your race. Unless you want to be in the top 1% of the leader boards in pve your race doesn't matter.

Keep in mind that your damage might still be lacking as you are practically sacrificing a 5 piece set for the medium armor passives.

Orcs better for tanking? Why? I would say Argonian are bis atm.

Also you cant wear 2x 5piece crafted sets without juwelry crafting. And at lvl 30 this wouldnt make much sense to craft juwelry.

Sure you can tank normal dungeons in medium but for endgame you should go heavy cause medium armor passives are not made for tanking.

i was thinking Orc for more damage

also i would like to be DPS tank forever without changing in the end


that's where skyrim was better (only thing heavy armor gave penalty to stam a bit (or was it stam regen), but u could be 2h warrior with heavy armor & sword & shield guy with med)

i don't expect to be as good with 1h as i am with 2h (i have second DK to orc 2H guy), but i do expect to slice enemy's faster, that's why i am not fan of the restriction of either be tank or DPS


or maybe ESO needs new class whos Wep fighting style with Sword & sheild is bit different & skills are slightly faster kind of like DW, so he taunts to, but is bit better at DPS & he will actually benefit from MED armor more, bit more balanced class whom with cp build u could still make more tank

It's because you're low level and do not have gear sets yet, that's why you feel weak, ask someone to craft you Hundings Rage and Night Mothers Gaze, you will feel a huge diference. The build you described fits PvP builds that use 2h/Sword+Shield and Heavy Armor while having a lot of damage, functioning like a Bruiser type. These builds use sets like Fury and Seventh Legion, these sets allow you to get stronger the more and more you get hit.

These builds don't work well in group PvE scenarios where you have roles though: You either do damage in the DPS role, or you are tanky while providing utlity in the Tank role. You don't necessarily need to be in heavy armor to tank for example, but you have a role that is to taunt, survive and provide as much utility as possible, how you do that is entirely up to you. But I am talking about group enviroment, when you are solo, the PvP bruiser type builds are actually really strong due to the high survivability and high damage potential, regardless if you are in PvE or PvP.

i am searching for something that is good in both

Nevasca

Sugram22 wrote: »

Littlebluelizard wrote: »

Sugram22 wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Generally speaking medium armor tanking is a very bad idea, yes.
However if you run Fortified Brass (a craftable tank set) in medium, you can get the 30k physical and spell resistance to be a proper tank. The evasion skill from medium armor comes in very handy and you can then combine it with Tava's blessing (another crafted set that gives you ultimate when evading attacks). If you have access to crafted jewelry, then you can even wear a monster set along with that.

Nords are perfectly fine for tanking. Orcs are generally considered better, but there is no need for you to change your race. Unless you want to be in the top 1% of the leader boards in pve your race doesn't matter.

Keep in mind that your damage might still be lacking as you are practically sacrificing a 5 piece set for the medium armor passives.

Orcs better for tanking? Why? I would say Argonian are bis atm.

Also you cant wear 2x 5piece crafted sets without juwelry crafting. And at lvl 30 this wouldnt make much sense to craft juwelry.

Sure you can tank normal dungeons in medium but for endgame you should go heavy cause medium armor passives are not made for tanking.

i was thinking Orc for more damage

also i would like to be DPS tank forever without changing in the end


that's where skyrim was better (only thing heavy armor gave penalty to stam a bit (or was it stam regen), but u could be 2h warrior with heavy armor & sword & shield guy with med)

i don't expect to be as good with 1h as i am with 2h (i have second DK to orc 2H guy), but i do expect to slice enemy's faster, that's why i am not fan of the restriction of either be tank or DPS


or maybe ESO needs new class whos Wep fighting style with Sword & sheild is bit different & skills are slightly faster kind of like DW, so he taunts to, but is bit better at DPS & he will actually benefit from MED armor more, bit more balanced class whom with cp build u could still make more tank

It's because you're low level and do not have gear sets yet, that's why you feel weak, ask someone to craft you Hundings Rage and Night Mothers Gaze, you will feel a huge diference. The build you described fits PvP builds that use 2h/Sword+Shield and Heavy Armor while having a lot of damage, functioning like a Bruiser type. These builds use sets like Fury and Seventh Legion, these sets allow you to get stronger the more and more you get hit.

These builds don't work well in group PvE scenarios where you have roles though: You either do damage in the DPS role, or you are tanky while providing utlity in the Tank role. You don't necessarily need to be in heavy armor to tank for example, but you have a role that is to taunt, survive and provide as much utility as possible, how you do that is entirely up to you. But I am talking about group enviroment, when you are solo, the PvP bruiser type builds are actually really strong due to the high survivability and high damage potential, regardless if you are in PvE or PvP.

i am searching for something that is good in both

Then I suggest going after a DPS build, going full damage. There's no reason to only use one build though, you can have multiple sets to different occasions. I'd use DPS sets while questing and switch to my tank gear when I am tanking in Dungeons. There's no such thing as Tank build that does good damage in GROUP enviroment. You can have a bit of damage but it will not compare to a DPS build.

Liofa

Yes it is. Since Thieves Guild actually. PA + Alkosh is still a very popular off tank setup for any fight that allows the usage of medium armour.

SilverWF

Itacira wrote: »

Which would be best then, in terms of damage/defense balance ? A heavy armor build with an agressive set, or a medium armor build with a defensive set ?

@SilverWF don't be an assbutt

I am not
You can't actually tank things in medium armor - not more tanky than any medium armored DD. But you - for your 'tankyness' - would sacrifice your DPS capability.
Basically: not a tank, not a DD, why this guy even in my group? Votekick.

In matter of "content at low levels are easy anyway, who cares?" - I'll answer: still better be a pure DD then. In the game mechs, "offense - the best defense", so even light armored DD would be better than that lol-tank.

Now it clearer?

swippy

@Littlebluelizard your patience is saint-like. i applaud you.

OrphanHelgen

Depends what you want to tank. You won't regen stamina while blocking, so if you wan't to permablock I think heavy armor is the way to go.
Offtank, pvp, or 4 man dungeons you can do medium tanking just fine. You will have more recovery, reduced cost and damage with physical, poison and disease.
So long story short, yes you can tank in medium armor and no you don't need to change your race in my opinion.

Brutusmax1mus

Powerful assault / spc tanks op in 4man content

DuskMarine

Sugram22 wrote: »

Is Med Armor Tank A thing?

i ask that cause with my lvl 30 nord DK tank with sword & shield i feel like i don't have enough Dam, want to be better with damage (with sword & shield) to go to med armor for it, but is it bad for tanking?

also should i go for different race like Orc? like start over as orc?

before u mentioned this, i am not fan of mix matching med & heavy

no medium and light armor you cant tank with. heavy armor only if you dont like how it looks we have outfit system

Sugram22

DuskMarine wrote: »

Sugram22 wrote: »

Is Med Armor Tank A thing?

i ask that cause with my lvl 30 nord DK tank with sword & shield i feel like i don't have enough Dam, want to be better with damage (with sword & shield) to go to med armor for it, but is it bad for tanking?

also should i go for different race like Orc? like start over as orc?

before u mentioned this, i am not fan of mix matching med & heavy

no medium and light armor you cant tank with. heavy armor only if you dont like how it looks we have outfit system

i only don't like mixing 2 types, only reason i like med is fot stam regen & for damage, i have no issue with heavy armor looks, once i was building Orc for 2h tank with heavy armor until some1 said ur DPS will suck, but issue is i like this type of warrior, i hate the restriction, only issue in skyrim was penalty to stam regen

Sparr0w

You can tank in anything, on anything. Just wont be as effective as meta tanks.

e.g. I've tanked vet hm dungeons before on a light armour mag sorc and a medium armour stam blade

Raraaku

I have completely different set-ups between tanking for group content compared to doing overland content.

As a tank, your DPS is going to be abysmal, you're wearing 5/1/1 (H/M/L armor pieces) with dual 1H&Shield set-up with very few to no DPS skills on your bar. Tanks job is to CC, Taunt, and position the Boss and Adds and survive getting hit by really big bosses, a large amount of creatures, or (most likely) both. Your gear sets and CP choices are going to reflect that as well, opting for survivability and group buffs to DPS.

However, for solo content, run whatever you want. I often run all medium with a 2h/Bow set-up if I'm doing solo content because the lack of DPS outfitted as a tank makes combat/questing excruciatingly boring.

max_only

You don’t like mixing two types of armor but there is a buff and incentive to mixing armor weights. It’s called Undaunted Mettle.

It’s not even about meta, you are seriously hindering yourself with that restriction.

PlagueSD

Sugram22 wrote: »

Is Med Armor Tank A thing?

i ask that cause with my lvl 30 nord DK tank with sword & shield i feel like i don't have enough Dam, want to be better with damage (with sword & shield) to go to med armor for it, but is it bad for tanking?

also should i go for different race like Orc? like start over as orc?

before u mentioned this, i am not fan of mix matching med & heavy

If you have Undaunted Mettle unlocked, you should be running off-weight pieces for the 6% bonus to health/magicka/stamina. I normally use my monster set as the off-weight pieces. (If I'm in heavy armor, then my monster set will be 1 light, and 1 medium.)

You should not really try to tank in medium armor. It's not made for tanking, just as heavy armor is not made for DPS. Yes, you can PROBABLY do it and get away with it in Normal Dungeons. When you start doing trials, you better have heavy armor as you'll need the additional health and resists from the passives. On my Magblade, when I tank, I run 5pc Bahrah's Curse (weapon, jewelry) and 5pc Morihaus with Swarm Mother monster set.
When I DPS, I just swap gear and skills (with Dressing Room addon) I use 5pc Julianos, 5pc Mother's Sorrow with Skoria Monster set. This allows me to quickly swap between Tank and DPS as needed. Especially for those fights that don't require a tank. (I'm looking at you Planar Inhibitor).

DuskMarine

Sugram22 wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Sugram22 wrote: »

Is Med Armor Tank A thing?

i ask that cause with my lvl 30 nord DK tank with sword & shield i feel like i don't have enough Dam, want to be better with damage (with sword & shield) to go to med armor for it, but is it bad for tanking?

also should i go for different race like Orc? like start over as orc?

before u mentioned this, i am not fan of mix matching med & heavy

no medium and light armor you cant tank with. heavy armor only if you dont like how it looks we have outfit system

i only don't like mixing 2 types, only reason i like med is fot stam regen & for damage, i have no issue with heavy armor looks, once i was building Orc for 2h tank with heavy armor until some1 said ur DPS will suck, but issue is i like this type of warrior, i hate the restriction, only issue in skyrim was penalty to stam regen

you know theres no point to stamina regen when tanking right? as when your tanking you have zero regen outside of pots and abilitys. it turns your stamina regen off. so heavy armor is required as a tank. plus if anyone catches you in medium or light armor trying to tank thats instant boot no questions asked cause your not a tank at that point.

Danksta

DuskMarine wrote: »

Sugram22 wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Sugram22 wrote: »

Is Med Armor Tank A thing?

i ask that cause with my lvl 30 nord DK tank with sword & shield i feel like i don't have enough Dam, want to be better with damage (with sword & shield) to go to med armor for it, but is it bad for tanking?

also should i go for different race like Orc? like start over as orc?

before u mentioned this, i am not fan of mix matching med & heavy

no medium and light armor you cant tank with. heavy armor only if you dont like how it looks we have outfit system

i only don't like mixing 2 types, only reason i like med is fot stam regen & for damage, i have no issue with heavy armor looks, once i was building Orc for 2h tank with heavy armor until some1 said ur DPS will suck, but issue is i like this type of warrior, i hate the restriction, only issue in skyrim was penalty to stam regen

you know theres no point to stamina regen when tanking right? as when your tanking you have zero regen outside of pots and abilitys. it turns your stamina regen off. so heavy armor is required as a tank. plus if anyone catches you in medium or light armor trying to tank thats instant boot no questions asked cause your not a tank at that point.

Stamina regen works when you're tanking as long as you're not blocking.

DuskMarine

Danksta wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Sugram22 wrote: »

DuskMarine wrote: »

Sugram22 wrote: »

Is Med Armor Tank A thing?

i ask that cause with my lvl 30 nord DK tank with sword & shield i feel like i don't have enough Dam, want to be better with damage (with sword & shield) to go to med armor for it, but is it bad for tanking?

also should i go for different race like Orc? like start over as orc?

before u mentioned this, i am not fan of mix matching med & heavy

no medium and light armor you cant tank with. heavy armor only if you dont like how it looks we have outfit system

i only don't like mixing 2 types, only reason i like med is fot stam regen & for damage, i have no issue with heavy armor looks, once i was building Orc for 2h tank with heavy armor until some1 said ur DPS will suck, but issue is i like this type of warrior, i hate the restriction, only issue in skyrim was penalty to stam regen

you know theres no point to stamina regen when tanking right? as when your tanking you have zero regen outside of pots and abilitys. it turns your stamina regen off. so heavy armor is required as a tank. plus if anyone catches you in medium or light armor trying to tank thats instant boot no questions asked cause your not a tank at that point.

Stamina regen works when you're tanking as long as you're not blocking.

yea but you drop block your dead due to cleave you never drop block while tanking. you drop block your a bad tank period.