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Do you honestly still care about campaign score- does it even matter?

  • LjAnimalchin
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    No
    There is still a special kind of loser that logs into this game and spams zone all day every day about who is pushing where etc.. I think they still care, but I don't.
  • Hurtfan
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    Yes, it's the reason I PvP but understand the shenanigans that go on during campaigns.

    That's why I always want to play in a clean campaign, because when that happens, the campaigns tend to be very competitive until the end.
    Edited by Hurtfan on August 15, 2018 2:56PM
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  • Rianai
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    Biro123 wrote: »
    @ everyone who says no cus they are only interested in outnumbered PVP..

    What do you think makes people fight you ? Why do the same people come at you again and again? It's because they DO care about the alliance score.

    Fights don't grant score points. If people would truly play only for the score they would avoid fights for the most part. So no, i don't agree that the scoring system keeps PvP alive. A more interesting and competitive system could keep PvP healthy and alive, but not the current system. It just encourages faction stacking and PvE/PvDoor.
    Edited by Rianai on August 15, 2018 6:40PM
  • thankyourat
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    No
    I have a question for the people who enjoy large group objective based PvP. How can you care about the score when the deciding factor is who has more people playing during the slow hours? It doesn't matter how good you strategies are eventually the server will die down and whoever is left with the biggest Zerg will crown emp and flip the map. That's why I'm of the opinion that it's best to try and have fun and not worry about the score because the score isn't skilled base it's numbers based
  • Cadbury
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    Yes
    "Winners never quit, and quitters never win"
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  • Biro123
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    Yes
    I have a question for the people who enjoy large group objective based PvP. How can you care about the score when the deciding factor is who has more people playing during the slow hours? It doesn't matter how good you strategies are eventually the server will die down and whoever is left with the biggest Zerg will crown emp and flip the map. That's why I'm of the opinion that it's best to try and have fun and not worry about the score because the score isn't skilled base it's numbers based

    To be specific, you're right, the score doesn't matter for the reasons you state, but the sentiment of attempting to defeat the other factions and playing the campaign as it was intended is imho, the only thing keeping PvP active and so should be embraced.
    I voted based on that sentiment, because, yeah, the scoring is broken - and I hope it gets fixed, but it won't stop me from playing for the faction as intended.
    Both because I enjoy it, and because it is much more healthy for the longevity of the game than the alternatives.
    Edited by Biro123 on August 16, 2018 12:12AM
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  • PapaWeeb
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    Yes, but only kinda. Sometimes it's fun to play the objective, using strategy to take keeps etc. Mostly I just enjoy the combat, but Cyro would mean a lot less to me without scores (not that I really care who wins, in the end).

    Would be nice if ZOS came up with a proper "low pop bonus" fix, and gave more incentives to winning.
    Less "most numbers wins" and more "best players win"
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  • TBois
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    No
    There is a difference between caring about the campaign score, caring about ap gains, and caring about objective map play when in cyrodiil. I don't ever care about campaign score. The other two i bounce between and sometime care about both at once, depending on my mood.
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  • Enkil
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    No
    Score? It’s a total joke on Kyne NA PC these days...

    I play to have fun, help others get better, bring some solid large & small scale battles to the enemy, and claim more of the map for my faction while I'm on. However, that does not include taking unnecessary keeps that serve no legit purpose such as taking enemy Tri-keeps when there are no scrolls behind them to be taken, etc.

    The score itself typically reflects what faction has groups capturing scrolls and keeps while there is little to no competition on so it's out of mind for me. #1 faction according to scoreboard loses regularly when pop is balanced so let them have their little scoreboard victory :D

  • usmguy1234
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    No
    As long as my faction is putting up a decent fight and there is ap to be made that's all that I care about.
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  • dtsharples
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    Yes
    PapaWeeb wrote: »
    Yes, but only kinda. Sometimes it's fun to play the objective, using strategy to take keeps etc. Mostly I just enjoy the combat, but Cyro would mean a lot less to me without scores (not that I really care who wins, in the end).

    Would be nice if ZOS came up with a proper "low pop bonus" fix, and gave more incentives to winning.
    Less "most numbers wins" and more "best players win"

    ^ Easy to say when your faction caps an empty map every single morning. For what, 2 years? ;)
    And I'm not sure I'd count a BB or Sar faction stack zerg as a strategy....
    I know you get totally wrecked in prime-time each day but the scoring is still always based on those 8 hours where you 'fight' NPCs.
  • StamWhipCultist
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    Yes
    Nermy wrote: »
    I've suddenly found myself caring about the score on Vivec EU ;)

    lol, same
  • Elsonso
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    No
    My impression was always that ZOS could take this away and it might be weeks before anyone noticed. :smile:
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  • Kram8ion
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    No
    im playing off peak times so campaign points don't really mean much anymore only the population numbers of your faction as to whether you have a couple of good small scale keep raids or fights :|
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  • WeyounTM
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    No
    This one voted "No"....because it would be the healthy thing to vote for. The scoring system is truly the reason why. I played for AD on Vivec EU for a couple of months when I started being seriously interested in PvP and enjoyed the fact that AD is always winning the campaign (with the exception of last time around :open_mouth: ).
    Since I have since abandoned that alliance (even though my first 3 mains are AD :'( ) I now see the other side of things while playing the factions that are at a disadvantage. And you can only look at an all yellow map so often without feeling exhausted and in the end it is the reasonable thing to just not care at all and play when you want on a char that you like.
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  • Larisse
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    Yes
    I care about the score, but I don't really care about who wins or where I place. The rewards just aren't what they should be for the time it takes to be in the top ten for your alliance. What you get when your alliance wins is kinda weak too
  • Hurtfan
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    Yes
    For people who don't care about the score, what are you doing in Cyrodiil then? Go play battlegrounds to get yer AP.



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  • MalagenR
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    No
    I have a question for the people who enjoy large group objective based PvP. How can you care about the score when the deciding factor is who has more people playing during the slow hours? It doesn't matter how good you strategies are eventually the server will die down and whoever is left with the biggest Zerg will crown emp and flip the map. That's why I'm of the opinion that it's best to try and have fun and not worry about the score because the score isn't skilled base it's numbers based

    I honestly significantly disagree with this. If PVP guilds in this game were organized at all (they are not) - then people in factions would recognize that when you have good numbers you push for scrolls, and when you have low numbers you defend the scrolls you stole earlier.

    It's really that simple.
  • starlizard70ub17_ESO
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    No
    I used to care but now I just check mid way through to see who's winning and I jump into that faction to get the level 3 rewards for the winning side.
    "We have found a cave, but I don't think there are warm fires and friendly faces inside."
  • Nermy
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    No
    MalagenR wrote: »
    I have a question for the people who enjoy large group objective based PvP. How can you care about the score when the deciding factor is who has more people playing during the slow hours? It doesn't matter how good you strategies are eventually the server will die down and whoever is left with the biggest Zerg will crown emp and flip the map. That's why I'm of the opinion that it's best to try and have fun and not worry about the score because the score isn't skilled base it's numbers based

    I honestly significantly disagree with this. If PVP guilds in this game were organized at all (they are not) - then people in factions would recognize that when you have good numbers you push for scrolls, and when you have low numbers you defend the scrolls you stole earlier.

    It's really that simple.

    Erh.... no. Not that simple.
    @Nermy
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  • MalagenR
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    No
    Nermy wrote: »
    MalagenR wrote: »
    I have a question for the people who enjoy large group objective based PvP. How can you care about the score when the deciding factor is who has more people playing during the slow hours? It doesn't matter how good you strategies are eventually the server will die down and whoever is left with the biggest Zerg will crown emp and flip the map. That's why I'm of the opinion that it's best to try and have fun and not worry about the score because the score isn't skilled base it's numbers based

    I honestly significantly disagree with this. If PVP guilds in this game were organized at all (they are not) - then people in factions would recognize that when you have good numbers you push for scrolls, and when you have low numbers you defend the scrolls you stole earlier.

    It's really that simple.

    Erh.... no. Not that simple.

    Explain why you don't think it's that simple.
  • Potenza
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    Yes
    I used to care but now I just check mid way through to see who's winning and I jump into that faction to get the level 3 rewards for the winning side.

    Regardless of faction - winning the campaign still matters to you to get the best rewards.

    typo
    Edited by Potenza on August 23, 2018 5:52PM
  • Nermy
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    No
    MalagenR wrote: »
    Nermy wrote: »
    MalagenR wrote: »
    I have a question for the people who enjoy large group objective based PvP. How can you care about the score when the deciding factor is who has more people playing during the slow hours? It doesn't matter how good you strategies are eventually the server will die down and whoever is left with the biggest Zerg will crown emp and flip the map. That's why I'm of the opinion that it's best to try and have fun and not worry about the score because the score isn't skilled base it's numbers based

    I honestly significantly disagree with this. If PVP guilds in this game were organized at all (they are not) - then people in factions would recognize that when you have good numbers you push for scrolls, and when you have low numbers you defend the scrolls you stole earlier.

    It's really that simple.

    Erh.... no. Not that simple.

    Explain why you don't think it's that simple.

    Too many factors to list. It depends on the lie of the land. There are so many strategic nuances you need to look for and be aware of and you always need a bit of luck.

    I mean it can depend on where the scrolls are, how many keeps we have, what the population is, do they have Emp? And they're just the big ones I can think of...

    Believe me, if it were that simple, there wouldn't be any fighting over scrolls. ;)

    @Nermy
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  • Ranger209
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    I will care about the score as long as there is a score. It is something that binds those of a particular faction together, it drives the taking and reclaiming of the scrolls, keeps, and resources, and it represents a common goal with those of the same faction that play at different times. Is it frustrating? Yes, the faction hoppers taint it, and the scoring system itself favors people who faction stack at non peak times over those who play during peak population hours.

    There are plenty of people that do care about it. If not, running up into enemy territory 10 minutes before eval and capping resources would not occur. Taking scrolls unabated during low population periods would not occur. The scrolls have no meaning other than some very minor buffs and the 10 points of value toward the score. Faction swapping the last 24 hours of a campaign to swing the score differential by 1000 points between two alliances would be meaningless.

    It is my hope that ZOS will make some changes to the scoring system as well as addressing faction swapping/faction pride issues and make the score relevant to even more people than it already is. I understand how some may feel the score is meaningless or stupid under the current conditions that it now accumulates. There are those that will also never care, Cyrodiil will forever and always be only about themselves and nothing greater. That is fine, those people can still achieve their goals within a scoring system that is relevant to those that do care about the score. For those that care about the score, however, it is hard to get fully engaged when a system is in place like the one currently being used. I'm hoping for change, and still caring in spite of myself.
    Edited by Ranger209 on August 23, 2018 11:04PM
  • Hurtfan
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    Yes
    The object of the game is for your faction to have the highest score at the end, simple as that. I like winning baby.
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  • thankyourat
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    No
    MalagenR wrote: »
    Nermy wrote: »
    MalagenR wrote: »
    I have a question for the people who enjoy large group objective based PvP. How can you care about the score when the deciding factor is who has more people playing during the slow hours? It doesn't matter how good you strategies are eventually the server will die down and whoever is left with the biggest Zerg will crown emp and flip the map. That's why I'm of the opinion that it's best to try and have fun and not worry about the score because the score isn't skilled base it's numbers based

    I honestly significantly disagree with this. If PVP guilds in this game were organized at all (they are not) - then people in factions would recognize that when you have good numbers you push for scrolls, and when you have low numbers you defend the scrolls you stole earlier.

    It's really that simple.

    Erh.... no. Not that simple.

    Explain why you don't think it's that simple.

    Because you can be so outnumbered that you can't defend yourself. Take for instance Xbox NA vivec a couple days ago EP was at one bar population AD had no bars and DC had 3 bars. This is in off hours. If you are AD or EP what other choice do you have but to try and farm DC to get AP. You can't take any ground DC is too strong with numbers at this point. They will take the whole map and all the scrolls and keeps moving up in score until it's primetime and AD and EP are poplocked and take everything back. But they will eventually log off and this cycle will repeat. This is why I personally think campaign score doesn't matter every campaign on Xbox has been like this for at least the last two years.
  • Ranger209
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    The better question is if there were a scoring system in place that was combat driven rather than time of possession driven, a scoring system that accumulated the score for an alliance as they fought and captured or defended points of interest, a system that rewarded balanced and outnumbered victories while deterring PvDooring and zerging, if a scoring system like that was in place would you care about the score?

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/423834/moving-on-from-the-time-based-score-evaluation-to-combat-based-scoring

    It's a long read and kind of mathy, but it offers a different approach to how the scoring could work.
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