Zenimax in regards to nightblades

Kadoin

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Kadoin wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

The fix for cloak is to either prevent healing while cloaked (like mist form) or to make it a bashable channel that can be interrupted if the NB isn’t CC immune.

Or even better: let them be invisible and make DoTs still tick. No reason why that skill should stop DoTs. All this time and ZOS still hasn't found a better fix to cloak breaking? That skill will always be overpowered as long as it does this and gives invisibility. The combat programmer(s) are definitely is smart to never show their face(s) on the forums. I can only imagine the rage and questions for them.

If they make dot still tick than they need to buff stamblade healing.As it is stamblade still have the worst healing out of the stamclasses.Give them minor mending or vitality and I say allow ticks to go through cloak.

"Worse healing out of all the other classes" - been on a stamplar? I could have sworn NB gets minor mending and another healing bonus for slotting a skill. Must be my imagination, right? Also must be my imagination that 15% dodge with heavy is possible, healing after killing a marked target, leeching strikes, minor vitality if you choose to put swallow soul on your bar, crit healing through stealth... What healing disadvantage are you talking about?

Have you played ESO?Stamplar has Minor mending.Stamblade do not.Only healing bonus stamblades have is 3 healing receive from slotting leeching strikes.Stamblade can't use shadow disguise to force a crit heal anymore.So we just making crap up now sloting swallow soul on a stamblade shut you mouth.So I guess I can say a stamplar can slot a restro staff and heavy attack and get major and minor mending or slot BOL.I can say stupid stuff as well.

Do you play ESO my little fantasy online.

If your talking about minor mending from the new agony you dont get it from just sloting it you get it by damaging yourself and using ability that scales off of max magic spell damage and spell crit.If you using that as a argument that stamsorc can us hardened ward and stamplars can use BOL.

@Kadoin

So basically, you have no real argument against what I said and you want to buff stam NBs healing even more because you don't want to slot one to two siphoning skills, you don't want to use heavy on a class that can use it better than everyone else and still go on the offensive, and/or don't use cloak to get guaranteed crit heal, which by the way is a massive advantage over any other class. Sorry, but : NO.

You don't know how the game works.What you just said is the equivalent of a stamplar using BOL or a stamsorc using Hardened Ward.Also you don't know how cloak work because the removed the ability to force a crit heal a patch or two ago.So lets me break down everything you just said.

1.You suggest slot offering which deals Oblivion damage to the user.Scales off of Max magica spell damage and only spell crit.For minor mending which would be offset by the oblivion damage being dealt to yourself.
1b.You suggest slotting Swallow soul as a stamblade. So next are you going to suggest for a stamplar who you said have the weakest healing out of all the stamclass to slot BOL.They don't have a burst heal I guess they can use that.

2.No one said I won't run heavy even running heavy stamblades still have less healing than other stam classes running heavy you know why they have extra boost to healing like mending.

3.You don't know how this ability works. Cloak doesn't work how you think it does.

Whatever you say. Again, excuses to demand a buff. What you don't understand is that those are examples of why what you said is outrageous. Just because you don't want to do something doesn't mean the option isn't there and you should get the buff to healing you desire, especially when it's completely unnecessary. The reason I'm bringing that up is because buffing healing the way you want will buff anyone who HAS taken those options and will make their builds even stronger.

"Stamplar has Minor mending" after using a skill that takes a slot, which apparently you don't want to have to do with NB. Don't forget stamplar also lacks much more compared to NB, but let's selectively look at a class because your argument has next to no merit otherwise. That makes a lot of sense to me. Hold on, let me put my brain back in and try to make sense of it again. Damn, now that my brains back in my head its no longer making sense.

"What you just said is the equivalent of a stamplar using BOL or a stamsorc using Hardened Ward," except for the fact that both don't have the ability to get 15% dodge in heavy armor, heal on light attack with leeching strikes and get access to heavy armor passives to increase healing? You can argue crit surge, but if you ask me leeching is superior because it doesn't require crits and you get stam back. Let's not even get into the execute that neither DK, stam sorc, nor stamplar have...wouldn't want leave the vacuum now would we?

Don't forget you can always take the other cloak that heals HP% and use invisibility pots or "stealth" like everyone else if healing is that big a problem. But that would make too much sense. With rally, vigor, and dark cloak you'd have to be an idiot that can't roll to die as an NB, just that you won't be cloaking on demand. But I understand, it's much better to demand buffs instead if tradeoffs on a class that is already one of the easiest in PvP.

You still have failed to show exactly how stam NBs have the "weakest healing in the game."

No competitive pvp build uses swallow soul or Offering are you slow.Nothing you just said proved that NB have good healing it just prove your a PVer who zergs around the map and don't know how abilities or stat pools works.No stamblades uses those abilities you find me one build video from the last 2 years that have a person slotting those on a pvp build I will concede.

Can you read all you said for a stamblade to still have weaker healing than the other stam specs is to run heavy armor because they can use blur which doesn't bosst your healing.Running heavy doesn't change stamblade healing in comparison to other classes,they still have better healing bonuses.

Stamplar gets more than just minor mending from using rune focus.They get a armor buff,Minor vitality and minor protection. From passives and from the ability itself.They actually get useful bonuses for using it beside minor mending.Stamblade waste a slot using swallow soul or offering.Your argument makes no sense.

Every class class have access to heavy armor healing bonus alongside the class bonus.Having access to major evasion doesn't make their healing better.Also stamsorc have a built in execute passive.Everyone has to use 2h for rally/FM.So they get execute from 2h.

You talking about the dark cloak morph that doesn't heal for anything unless your have 30k+ health.With no healing bonus it heals for crap.

I'm sorry you don't know how the game works. Please learn before posting nonsense like this again.

"No competitive PvP build...blah, blah, blah" in other words, no copy and paste build that has its own shortcomings because you aren't good enough with it and/or you don't want to make any sacrifices. The funny part is that you still can't prove your statement. Tell me how 8% or even 16% on FM/Rally/Vigor on a stamplar would ever be better than a flat heals from leeching strikes, especially considering that the stamplar would have to build for sustain and you don't? Care to answer that question? You bring up worthless points on stamplar's healing supposedly being better, but if that is really true and its so great, why aren't you playing one?

You and I both know the answer to that question. It's quite simple: in order for you to sustain on a stamplar, you will drop your weapon damage, max stam, health, wear medium, etc. - all things you don't have to on an NB and the healing bonus from mending and vitality becomes quite worthless and in some cases won't even make up for your build changes to sustain. Then you will either wear heavy or find another way to increase your defense on stamplar and sacrifice crit, max weapon damage, stam regen, max stam, etc. again! The only real advantage stamplar has over stam NB is purify, but does that really matter when cloak is suppressing DoTs right now? It's arguably equivalent to purify and that's the point I'm making and I'm pretty sure that's why I see many previous stamplars using stam NB now. But you can keep claiming nightblade healing is bad and the worst, and needs a buff. Can't have too many crutches now, can we?

"Dark cloak morph that doesn't heal for anything" - I'm guessing you have NOT used it with rally/FM + vigor. No, I'm certain you didn't.

I think I understand quite well. "I don't want to use X, so I should get these buffs across the board. If someone else is already using X, I don't care if they are overpowered after the changes I want occur, because I can either cloak and run or switch my build to theirs when they put a crappy quality YT video with some terrible music on showing it off" - what a great idea on balance. I'm sure that's exactly how everyone else imagines balance; if not, they're an idiot, a noob, a zergling, PvEr, don't understand the game and don't play it, right? It can't possibly be that they actually play it and see a problem in the making.

Want to know something? You not slotting those skills is your choice and you pay the consequences for it. It's literally THAT simple. Every choice you make on any class and build should and does have consequences, but being an NB I guess you are not actually used to those like everyone else is since you can probably ignore them with cloak. I'm not surprised though when stam NB tradeoffs are the BEST in the game, even better than mag sorc. But you and anyone else can keep denying that; I just hope ZOS' balance team continues to ignore you.

usmguy1234

Lucky28 wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Threads like this is Why PvP in ESO went from epic to sub par.

That's the thing... If you know anything about game theory, you'll know balanced games aren't necessarily the most fun games to play. Unbalanced games are really fun (for those who abuse the overpowered aspects of the game) and not so fun for those who don't. The best games are those who have slight power fluctuations (say 10-15%) that way those who are in that top percent feel strong but not so strong that those in the lower percent don't feel the fulfillment of beating them fairly regularly. Granted this is the holy grail of gaming because of the tons of variables that go in to balance like this. And with zenimax's general ignoring of feedback from class reps and general threads like these I feel like that balance is probably never going to be reached within the life of this game.

So, this thread was mainly the result of aggravation as a result of that. Even so some going points came out of it and dduke even convinced me of a better way to balance cloak

I get frustration. but people should understand by now that they're not capable of balancing the game. everything the current combat team touches turns to ash. just best not to give them any idea's and maybe that will slow them down a bit on their quest to annihilate Cyrodiil.

Pretty much this. My last hope was the rep program and even that was doomed to fail before it began.

IZZEFlameLash

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Threads like this is Why PvP in ESO went from epic to sub par.

That's the thing... If you know anything about game theory, you'll know balanced games aren't necessarily the most fun games to play. Unbalanced games are really fun (for those who abuse the overpowered aspects of the game) and not so fun for those who don't. The best games are those who have slight power fluctuations (say 10-15%) that way those who are in that top percent feel strong but not so strong that those in the lower percent don't feel the fulfillment of beating them fairly regularly. Granted this is the holy grail of gaming because of the tons of variables that go in to balance like this. And with zenimax's general ignoring of feedback from class reps and general threads like these I feel like that balance is probably never going to be reached within the life of this game.

So, this thread was mainly the result of aggravation as a result of that. Even so some going points came out of it and dduke even convinced me of a better way to balance cloak

I get frustration. but people should understand by now that they're not capable of balancing the game. everything the current combat team touches turns to ash. just best not to give them any idea's and maybe that will slow them down a bit on their quest to annihilate Cyrodiil.

Pretty much this. My last hope was the rep program and even that was doomed to fail before it began.

Those who played for 3 or more years called this happening. Lol

KingJ

Kadoin wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

The fix for cloak is to either prevent healing while cloaked (like mist form) or to make it a bashable channel that can be interrupted if the NB isn’t CC immune.

Or even better: let them be invisible and make DoTs still tick. No reason why that skill should stop DoTs. All this time and ZOS still hasn't found a better fix to cloak breaking? That skill will always be overpowered as long as it does this and gives invisibility. The combat programmer(s) are definitely is smart to never show their face(s) on the forums. I can only imagine the rage and questions for them.

If they make dot still tick than they need to buff stamblade healing.As it is stamblade still have the worst healing out of the stamclasses.Give them minor mending or vitality and I say allow ticks to go through cloak.

"Worse healing out of all the other classes" - been on a stamplar? I could have sworn NB gets minor mending and another healing bonus for slotting a skill. Must be my imagination, right? Also must be my imagination that 15% dodge with heavy is possible, healing after killing a marked target, leeching strikes, minor vitality if you choose to put swallow soul on your bar, crit healing through stealth... What healing disadvantage are you talking about?

Have you played ESO?Stamplar has Minor mending.Stamblade do not.Only healing bonus stamblades have is 3 healing receive from slotting leeching strikes.Stamblade can't use shadow disguise to force a crit heal anymore.So we just making crap up now sloting swallow soul on a stamblade shut you mouth.So I guess I can say a stamplar can slot a restro staff and heavy attack and get major and minor mending or slot BOL.I can say stupid stuff as well.

Do you play ESO my little fantasy online.

If your talking about minor mending from the new agony you dont get it from just sloting it you get it by damaging yourself and using ability that scales off of max magic spell damage and spell crit.If you using that as a argument that stamsorc can us hardened ward and stamplars can use BOL.

@Kadoin

So basically, you have no real argument against what I said and you want to buff stam NBs healing even more because you don't want to slot one to two siphoning skills, you don't want to use heavy on a class that can use it better than everyone else and still go on the offensive, and/or don't use cloak to get guaranteed crit heal, which by the way is a massive advantage over any other class. Sorry, but : NO.

You don't know how the game works.What you just said is the equivalent of a stamplar using BOL or a stamsorc using Hardened Ward.Also you don't know how cloak work because the removed the ability to force a crit heal a patch or two ago.So lets me break down everything you just said.

1.You suggest slot offering which deals Oblivion damage to the user.Scales off of Max magica spell damage and only spell crit.For minor mending which would be offset by the oblivion damage being dealt to yourself.
1b.You suggest slotting Swallow soul as a stamblade. So next are you going to suggest for a stamplar who you said have the weakest healing out of all the stamclass to slot BOL.They don't have a burst heal I guess they can use that.

2.No one said I won't run heavy even running heavy stamblades still have less healing than other stam classes running heavy you know why they have extra boost to healing like mending.

3.You don't know how this ability works. Cloak doesn't work how you think it does.

Whatever you say. Again, excuses to demand a buff. What you don't understand is that those are examples of why what you said is outrageous. Just because you don't want to do something doesn't mean the option isn't there and you should get the buff to healing you desire, especially when it's completely unnecessary. The reason I'm bringing that up is because buffing healing the way you want will buff anyone who HAS taken those options and will make their builds even stronger.

"Stamplar has Minor mending" after using a skill that takes a slot, which apparently you don't want to have to do with NB. Don't forget stamplar also lacks much more compared to NB, but let's selectively look at a class because your argument has next to no merit otherwise. That makes a lot of sense to me. Hold on, let me put my brain back in and try to make sense of it again. Damn, now that my brains back in my head its no longer making sense.

"What you just said is the equivalent of a stamplar using BOL or a stamsorc using Hardened Ward," except for the fact that both don't have the ability to get 15% dodge in heavy armor, heal on light attack with leeching strikes and get access to heavy armor passives to increase healing? You can argue crit surge, but if you ask me leeching is superior because it doesn't require crits and you get stam back. Let's not even get into the execute that neither DK, stam sorc, nor stamplar have...wouldn't want leave the vacuum now would we?

Don't forget you can always take the other cloak that heals HP% and use invisibility pots or "stealth" like everyone else if healing is that big a problem. But that would make too much sense. With rally, vigor, and dark cloak you'd have to be an idiot that can't roll to die as an NB, just that you won't be cloaking on demand. But I understand, it's much better to demand buffs instead if tradeoffs on a class that is already one of the easiest in PvP.

You still have failed to show exactly how stam NBs have the "weakest healing in the game."

No competitive pvp build uses swallow soul or Offering are you slow.Nothing you just said proved that NB have good healing it just prove your a PVer who zergs around the map and don't know how abilities or stat pools works.No stamblades uses those abilities you find me one build video from the last 2 years that have a person slotting those on a pvp build I will concede.

Can you read all you said for a stamblade to still have weaker healing than the other stam specs is to run heavy armor because they can use blur which doesn't bosst your healing.Running heavy doesn't change stamblade healing in comparison to other classes,they still have better healing bonuses.

Stamplar gets more than just minor mending from using rune focus.They get a armor buff,Minor vitality and minor protection. From passives and from the ability itself.They actually get useful bonuses for using it beside minor mending.Stamblade waste a slot using swallow soul or offering.Your argument makes no sense.

Every class class have access to heavy armor healing bonus alongside the class bonus.Having access to major evasion doesn't make their healing better.Also stamsorc have a built in execute passive.Everyone has to use 2h for rally/FM.So they get execute from 2h.

You talking about the dark cloak morph that doesn't heal for anything unless your have 30k+ health.With no healing bonus it heals for crap.

I'm sorry you don't know how the game works. Please learn before posting nonsense like this again.

"No competitive PvP build...blah, blah, blah" in other words, no copy and paste build that has its own shortcomings because you aren't good enough with it and/or you don't want to make any sacrifices. The funny part is that you still can't prove your statement. Tell me how 8% or even 16% on FM/Rally/Vigor on a stamplar would ever be better than a flat heals from leeching strikes, especially considering that the stamplar would have to build for sustain and you don't? Care to answer that question? You bring up worthless points on stamplar's healing supposedly being better, but if that is really true and its so great, why aren't you playing one?

You and I both know the answer to that question. It's quite simple: in order for you to sustain on a stamplar, you will drop your weapon damage, max stam, health, wear medium, etc. - all things you don't have to on an NB and the healing bonus from mending and vitality becomes quite worthless and in some cases won't even make up for your build changes to sustain. Then you will either wear heavy or find another way to increase your defense on stamplar and sacrifice crit, max weapon damage, stam regen, max stam, etc. again! The only real advantage stamplar has over stam NB is purify, but does that really matter when cloak is suppressing DoTs right now? It's arguably equivalent to purify and that's the point I'm making and I'm pretty sure that's why I see many previous stamplars using stam NB now. But you can keep claiming nightblade healing is bad and the worst, and needs a buff. Can't have too many crutches now, can we?

"Dark cloak morph that doesn't heal for anything" - I'm guessing you have NOT used it with rally/FM + vigor. No, I'm certain you didn't.

I think I understand quite well. "I don't want to use X, so I should get these buffs across the board. If someone else is already using X, I don't care if they are overpowered after the changes I want occur, because I can either cloak and run or switch my build to theirs when they put a crappy quality YT video with some terrible music on showing it off" - what a great idea on balance. I'm sure that's exactly how everyone else imagines balance; if not, they're an idiot, a noob, a zergling, PvEr, don't understand the game and don't play it, right? It can't possibly be that they actually play it and see a problem in the making.

Want to know something? You not slotting those skills is your choice and you pay the consequences for it. It's literally THAT simple. Every choice you make on any class and build should and does have consequences, but being an NB I guess you are not actually used to those like everyone else is since you can probably ignore them with cloak. I'm not surprised though when stam NB tradeoffs are the BEST in the game, even better than mag sorc. But you and anyone else can keep denying that; I just hope ZOS' balance team continues to ignore you.

Yea your a idiot your really suggesting that leeching strikes is better than a built in healing bonus.That stamblades should slot swallow soul a ability that does nothing for them doesn't even scale off their stats or proc any passives for them.Leeching strikes a ability where you have to connect light attacks for them to heal you.Which can be dodge or if lags won't fire off so no heal.Nothing a stamplar have won't stop healing them because of lag or because they go on the defensive.

You just continue to show you don't know what your talking about.

idk

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Zelos wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Zenimax while you are balancing nightblades can you please remove the defile from incap and make cloak increase in cost per use as streak does? I feel this will really be a step in the right direction of balancing this overpowered class.

Cloak is in a great place right now and doesnt need to be fixed, as I keep saying nightblade are supposed to be hard and elusive to catch and you want to take the theme of the class and ruin it you people just need to learn how to play. Nightblade are suppose to be hard to catch and here Is another thread wanting to remove skill and satisfaction from killing a skillful player who knows how to utilise cloak properly. So many things and mechanics break cloak its laughable and you want to make it EASIER are you for real.

Nothing more than a red herring argument. Nightblades can do fine without being able to spam cloak.

No offense but the comment is clearly true about your comments in here.

1. what class do you play?
2. do you use any counters to stealth?

usmguy1234

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Threads like this is Why PvP in ESO went from epic to sub par.

That's the thing... If you know anything about game theory, you'll know balanced games aren't necessarily the most fun games to play. Unbalanced games are really fun (for those who abuse the overpowered aspects of the game) and not so fun for those who don't. The best games are those who have slight power fluctuations (say 10-15%) that way those who are in that top percent feel strong but not so strong that those in the lower percent don't feel the fulfillment of beating them fairly regularly. Granted this is the holy grail of gaming because of the tons of variables that go in to balance like this. And with zenimax's general ignoring of feedback from class reps and general threads like these I feel like that balance is probably never going to be reached within the life of this game.

So, this thread was mainly the result of aggravation as a result of that. Even so some going points came out of it and dduke even convinced me of a better way to balance cloak

I get frustration. but people should understand by now that they're not capable of balancing the game. everything the current combat team touches turns to ash. just best not to give them any idea's and maybe that will slow them down a bit on their quest to annihilate Cyrodiil.

Pretty much this. My last hope was the rep program and even that was doomed to fail before it began.

Those who played for 3 or more years called this happening. Lol

I've been playing that long and I knew something was wrong by how long they took to make the selections. I still wanted to be positive but was very reserved in that thought.

CaliMade

DDuke wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Zelos wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Zenimax while you are balancing nightblades can you please remove the defile from incap and make cloak increase in cost per use as streak does? I feel this will really be a step in the right direction of balancing this overpowered class.

Cloak is in a great place right now and doesnt need to be fixed, as I keep saying nightblade are supposed to be hard and elusive to catch and you want to take the theme of the class and ruin it you people just need to learn how to play. Nightblade are suppose to be hard to catch and here Is another thread wanting to remove skill and satisfaction from killing a skillful player who knows how to utilise cloak properly. So many things and mechanics break cloak its laughable and you want to make it EASIER are you for real.

Nothing more than a red herring argument. Nightblades can do fine without being able to spam cloak.

Oh yeah, they just have to slot cancer tank sets & bleeds and play in the same boring way as every other stam class.

How many threads have you made regarding NBs now? 5? 6?


I very rarely say this, but: L2P.

i hate nightblades with an undying passion, but i agree with this.

thankyourat

Lucky28 wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Threads like this is Why PvP in ESO went from epic to sub par.

That's the thing... If you know anything about game theory, you'll know balanced games aren't necessarily the most fun games to play. Unbalanced games are really fun (for those who abuse the overpowered aspects of the game) and not so fun for those who don't. The best games are those who have slight power fluctuations (say 10-15%) that way those who are in that top percent feel strong but not so strong that those in the lower percent don't feel the fulfillment of beating them fairly regularly. Granted this is the holy grail of gaming because of the tons of variables that go in to balance like this. And with zenimax's general ignoring of feedback from class reps and general threads like these I feel like that balance is probably never going to be reached within the life of this game.

So, this thread was mainly the result of aggravation as a result of that. Even so some going points came out of it and dduke even convinced me of a better way to balance cloak

I get frustration. but people should understand by now that they're not capable of balancing the game. everything the current combat team touches turns to ash. just best not to give them any idea's and maybe that will slow them down a bit on their quest to annihilate Cyrodiil.

I actually think they are doing a good job on actual class balance. Magsorc is a little too strong right now and mag warden is a little too weak but you can make any class work right now which I think is actually pretty good. Some sets are not balanced right now mainly just proc sets if they the down proc sets, and resource poisons the game would be in a pretty good spot balance wise

usmguy1234

idk wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Zelos wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Zenimax while you are balancing nightblades can you please remove the defile from incap and make cloak increase in cost per use as streak does? I feel this will really be a step in the right direction of balancing this overpowered class.

Cloak is in a great place right now and doesnt need to be fixed, as I keep saying nightblade are supposed to be hard and elusive to catch and you want to take the theme of the class and ruin it you people just need to learn how to play. Nightblade are suppose to be hard to catch and here Is another thread wanting to remove skill and satisfaction from killing a skillful player who knows how to utilise cloak properly. So many things and mechanics break cloak its laughable and you want to make it EASIER are you for real.

Nothing more than a red herring argument. Nightblades can do fine without being able to spam cloak.

No offense but the comment is clearly true about your comments in here.

1. what class do you play?
2. do you use any counters to stealth?

1. I play pretty much everything. I get on kicks and will rock a class for a few days and switch. I've played my mdk, magplar, magsorc and stamplar this week.
2. Counters mostly aoe and magelight

usmguy1234

thankyourat wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Threads like this is Why PvP in ESO went from epic to sub par.

That's the thing... If you know anything about game theory, you'll know balanced games aren't necessarily the most fun games to play. Unbalanced games are really fun (for those who abuse the overpowered aspects of the game) and not so fun for those who don't. The best games are those who have slight power fluctuations (say 10-15%) that way those who are in that top percent feel strong but not so strong that those in the lower percent don't feel the fulfillment of beating them fairly regularly. Granted this is the holy grail of gaming because of the tons of variables that go in to balance like this. And with zenimax's general ignoring of feedback from class reps and general threads like these I feel like that balance is probably never going to be reached within the life of this game.

So, this thread was mainly the result of aggravation as a result of that. Even so some going points came out of it and dduke even convinced me of a better way to balance cloak

I get frustration. but people should understand by now that they're not capable of balancing the game. everything the current combat team touches turns to ash. just best not to give them any idea's and maybe that will slow them down a bit on their quest to annihilate Cyrodiil.

I actually think they are doing a good job on actual class balance. Magsorc is a little too strong right now and mag warden is a little too weak but you can make any class work right now which I think is actually pretty good. Some sets are not balanced right now mainly just proc sets if they the down proc sets, and resource poisons the game would be in a pretty good spot balance wise

I think balance equals diversity. One look in bgs or cyrodiil does not show a great deal of diversity in my opinion.

IZZEFlameLash

usmguy1234 wrote: »

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Threads like this is Why PvP in ESO went from epic to sub par.

That's the thing... If you know anything about game theory, you'll know balanced games aren't necessarily the most fun games to play. Unbalanced games are really fun (for those who abuse the overpowered aspects of the game) and not so fun for those who don't. The best games are those who have slight power fluctuations (say 10-15%) that way those who are in that top percent feel strong but not so strong that those in the lower percent don't feel the fulfillment of beating them fairly regularly. Granted this is the holy grail of gaming because of the tons of variables that go in to balance like this. And with zenimax's general ignoring of feedback from class reps and general threads like these I feel like that balance is probably never going to be reached within the life of this game.

So, this thread was mainly the result of aggravation as a result of that. Even so some going points came out of it and dduke even convinced me of a better way to balance cloak

I get frustration. but people should understand by now that they're not capable of balancing the game. everything the current combat team touches turns to ash. just best not to give them any idea's and maybe that will slow them down a bit on their quest to annihilate Cyrodiil.

Pretty much this. My last hope was the rep program and even that was doomed to fail before it began.

Those who played for 3 or more years called this happening. Lol

I've been playing that long and I knew something was wrong by how long they took to make the selections. I still wanted to be positive but was very reserved in that thought.

You just were more optimistic than some of us. XD

CaliMade wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Zelos wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Zenimax while you are balancing nightblades can you please remove the defile from incap and make cloak increase in cost per use as streak does? I feel this will really be a step in the right direction of balancing this overpowered class.

Cloak is in a great place right now and doesnt need to be fixed, as I keep saying nightblade are supposed to be hard and elusive to catch and you want to take the theme of the class and ruin it you people just need to learn how to play. Nightblade are suppose to be hard to catch and here Is another thread wanting to remove skill and satisfaction from killing a skillful player who knows how to utilise cloak properly. So many things and mechanics break cloak its laughable and you want to make it EASIER are you for real.

Nothing more than a red herring argument. Nightblades can do fine without being able to spam cloak.

Oh yeah, they just have to slot cancer tank sets & bleeds and play in the same boring way as every other stam class.

How many threads have you made regarding NBs now? 5? 6?


I very rarely say this, but: L2P.

i hate nightblades with an undying passion, but i agree with this.

I do not agree because NBs can afford more damage because they don't have to slot Durok's Bane on their bleed builds.

Thogard

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Threads like this is Why PvP in ESO went from epic to sub par.

That's the thing... If you know anything about game theory, you'll know balanced games aren't necessarily the most fun games to play. Unbalanced games are really fun (for those who abuse the overpowered aspects of the game) and not so fun for those who don't. The best games are those who have slight power fluctuations (say 10-15%) that way those who are in that top percent feel strong but not so strong that those in the lower percent don't feel the fulfillment of beating them fairly regularly. Granted this is the holy grail of gaming because of the tons of variables that go in to balance like this. And with zenimax's general ignoring of feedback from class reps and general threads like these I feel like that balance is probably never going to be reached within the life of this game.

So, this thread was mainly the result of aggravation as a result of that. Even so some going points came out of it and dduke even convinced me of a better way to balance cloak

I get frustration. but people should understand by now that they're not capable of balancing the game. everything the current combat team touches turns to ash. just best not to give them any idea's and maybe that will slow them down a bit on their quest to annihilate Cyrodiil.

Pretty much this. My last hope was the rep program and even that was doomed to fail before it began.

Those who played for 3 or more years called this happening. Lol

I've been playing that long and I knew something was wrong by how long they took to make the selections. I still wanted to be positive but was very reserved in that thought.

You just were more optimistic than some of us. XD

CaliMade wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Zelos wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Zenimax while you are balancing nightblades can you please remove the defile from incap and make cloak increase in cost per use as streak does? I feel this will really be a step in the right direction of balancing this overpowered class.

Cloak is in a great place right now and doesnt need to be fixed, as I keep saying nightblade are supposed to be hard and elusive to catch and you want to take the theme of the class and ruin it you people just need to learn how to play. Nightblade are suppose to be hard to catch and here Is another thread wanting to remove skill and satisfaction from killing a skillful player who knows how to utilise cloak properly. So many things and mechanics break cloak its laughable and you want to make it EASIER are you for real.

Nothing more than a red herring argument. Nightblades can do fine without being able to spam cloak.

Oh yeah, they just have to slot cancer tank sets & bleeds and play in the same boring way as every other stam class.

How many threads have you made regarding NBs now? 5? 6?


I very rarely say this, but: L2P.

i hate nightblades with an undying passion, but i agree with this.

I do not agree because NBs can afford more damage because they don't have to slot Durok's Bane on their bleed builds.

And their bleeds hit 20% harder

I just don’t understand what DDuke was arguing before. Take away cloak and they play just like the other Stam classes.... yeah I know. They’re just as strong too... plenty of no cloak bleed blades dueling in stormhaven all the time.

Kadoin

KingJ wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

The fix for cloak is to either prevent healing while cloaked (like mist form) or to make it a bashable channel that can be interrupted if the NB isn’t CC immune.

Or even better: let them be invisible and make DoTs still tick. No reason why that skill should stop DoTs. All this time and ZOS still hasn't found a better fix to cloak breaking? That skill will always be overpowered as long as it does this and gives invisibility. The combat programmer(s) are definitely is smart to never show their face(s) on the forums. I can only imagine the rage and questions for them.

If they make dot still tick than they need to buff stamblade healing.As it is stamblade still have the worst healing out of the stamclasses.Give them minor mending or vitality and I say allow ticks to go through cloak.

"Worse healing out of all the other classes" - been on a stamplar? I could have sworn NB gets minor mending and another healing bonus for slotting a skill. Must be my imagination, right? Also must be my imagination that 15% dodge with heavy is possible, healing after killing a marked target, leeching strikes, minor vitality if you choose to put swallow soul on your bar, crit healing through stealth... What healing disadvantage are you talking about?

Have you played ESO?Stamplar has Minor mending.Stamblade do not.Only healing bonus stamblades have is 3 healing receive from slotting leeching strikes.Stamblade can't use shadow disguise to force a crit heal anymore.So we just making crap up now sloting swallow soul on a stamblade shut you mouth.So I guess I can say a stamplar can slot a restro staff and heavy attack and get major and minor mending or slot BOL.I can say stupid stuff as well.

Do you play ESO my little fantasy online.

If your talking about minor mending from the new agony you dont get it from just sloting it you get it by damaging yourself and using ability that scales off of max magic spell damage and spell crit.If you using that as a argument that stamsorc can us hardened ward and stamplars can use BOL.

@Kadoin

So basically, you have no real argument against what I said and you want to buff stam NBs healing even more because you don't want to slot one to two siphoning skills, you don't want to use heavy on a class that can use it better than everyone else and still go on the offensive, and/or don't use cloak to get guaranteed crit heal, which by the way is a massive advantage over any other class. Sorry, but : NO.

You don't know how the game works.What you just said is the equivalent of a stamplar using BOL or a stamsorc using Hardened Ward.Also you don't know how cloak work because the removed the ability to force a crit heal a patch or two ago.So lets me break down everything you just said.

1.You suggest slot offering which deals Oblivion damage to the user.Scales off of Max magica spell damage and only spell crit.For minor mending which would be offset by the oblivion damage being dealt to yourself.
1b.You suggest slotting Swallow soul as a stamblade. So next are you going to suggest for a stamplar who you said have the weakest healing out of all the stamclass to slot BOL.They don't have a burst heal I guess they can use that.

2.No one said I won't run heavy even running heavy stamblades still have less healing than other stam classes running heavy you know why they have extra boost to healing like mending.

3.You don't know how this ability works. Cloak doesn't work how you think it does.

Whatever you say. Again, excuses to demand a buff. What you don't understand is that those are examples of why what you said is outrageous. Just because you don't want to do something doesn't mean the option isn't there and you should get the buff to healing you desire, especially when it's completely unnecessary. The reason I'm bringing that up is because buffing healing the way you want will buff anyone who HAS taken those options and will make their builds even stronger.

"Stamplar has Minor mending" after using a skill that takes a slot, which apparently you don't want to have to do with NB. Don't forget stamplar also lacks much more compared to NB, but let's selectively look at a class because your argument has next to no merit otherwise. That makes a lot of sense to me. Hold on, let me put my brain back in and try to make sense of it again. Damn, now that my brains back in my head its no longer making sense.

"What you just said is the equivalent of a stamplar using BOL or a stamsorc using Hardened Ward," except for the fact that both don't have the ability to get 15% dodge in heavy armor, heal on light attack with leeching strikes and get access to heavy armor passives to increase healing? You can argue crit surge, but if you ask me leeching is superior because it doesn't require crits and you get stam back. Let's not even get into the execute that neither DK, stam sorc, nor stamplar have...wouldn't want leave the vacuum now would we?

Don't forget you can always take the other cloak that heals HP% and use invisibility pots or "stealth" like everyone else if healing is that big a problem. But that would make too much sense. With rally, vigor, and dark cloak you'd have to be an idiot that can't roll to die as an NB, just that you won't be cloaking on demand. But I understand, it's much better to demand buffs instead if tradeoffs on a class that is already one of the easiest in PvP.

You still have failed to show exactly how stam NBs have the "weakest healing in the game."

No competitive pvp build uses swallow soul or Offering are you slow.Nothing you just said proved that NB have good healing it just prove your a PVer who zergs around the map and don't know how abilities or stat pools works.No stamblades uses those abilities you find me one build video from the last 2 years that have a person slotting those on a pvp build I will concede.

Can you read all you said for a stamblade to still have weaker healing than the other stam specs is to run heavy armor because they can use blur which doesn't bosst your healing.Running heavy doesn't change stamblade healing in comparison to other classes,they still have better healing bonuses.

Stamplar gets more than just minor mending from using rune focus.They get a armor buff,Minor vitality and minor protection. From passives and from the ability itself.They actually get useful bonuses for using it beside minor mending.Stamblade waste a slot using swallow soul or offering.Your argument makes no sense.

Every class class have access to heavy armor healing bonus alongside the class bonus.Having access to major evasion doesn't make their healing better.Also stamsorc have a built in execute passive.Everyone has to use 2h for rally/FM.So they get execute from 2h.

You talking about the dark cloak morph that doesn't heal for anything unless your have 30k+ health.With no healing bonus it heals for crap.

I'm sorry you don't know how the game works. Please learn before posting nonsense like this again.

"No competitive PvP build...blah, blah, blah" in other words, no copy and paste build that has its own shortcomings because you aren't good enough with it and/or you don't want to make any sacrifices. The funny part is that you still can't prove your statement. Tell me how 8% or even 16% on FM/Rally/Vigor on a stamplar would ever be better than a flat heals from leeching strikes, especially considering that the stamplar would have to build for sustain and you don't? Care to answer that question? You bring up worthless points on stamplar's healing supposedly being better, but if that is really true and its so great, why aren't you playing one?

You and I both know the answer to that question. It's quite simple: in order for you to sustain on a stamplar, you will drop your weapon damage, max stam, health, wear medium, etc. - all things you don't have to on an NB and the healing bonus from mending and vitality becomes quite worthless and in some cases won't even make up for your build changes to sustain. Then you will either wear heavy or find another way to increase your defense on stamplar and sacrifice crit, max weapon damage, stam regen, max stam, etc. again! The only real advantage stamplar has over stam NB is purify, but does that really matter when cloak is suppressing DoTs right now? It's arguably equivalent to purify and that's the point I'm making and I'm pretty sure that's why I see many previous stamplars using stam NB now. But you can keep claiming nightblade healing is bad and the worst, and needs a buff. Can't have too many crutches now, can we?

"Dark cloak morph that doesn't heal for anything" - I'm guessing you have NOT used it with rally/FM + vigor. No, I'm certain you didn't.

I think I understand quite well. "I don't want to use X, so I should get these buffs across the board. If someone else is already using X, I don't care if they are overpowered after the changes I want occur, because I can either cloak and run or switch my build to theirs when they put a crappy quality YT video with some terrible music on showing it off" - what a great idea on balance. I'm sure that's exactly how everyone else imagines balance; if not, they're an idiot, a noob, a zergling, PvEr, don't understand the game and don't play it, right? It can't possibly be that they actually play it and see a problem in the making.

Want to know something? You not slotting those skills is your choice and you pay the consequences for it. It's literally THAT simple. Every choice you make on any class and build should and does have consequences, but being an NB I guess you are not actually used to those like everyone else is since you can probably ignore them with cloak. I'm not surprised though when stam NB tradeoffs are the BEST in the game, even better than mag sorc. But you and anyone else can keep denying that; I just hope ZOS' balance team continues to ignore you.

Yea your a idiot your really suggesting that leeching strikes is better than a built in healing bonus.That stamblades should slot swallow soul a ability that does nothing for them doesn't even scale off their stats or proc any passives for them.Leeching strikes a ability where you have to connect light attacks for them to heal you.Which can be dodge or if lags won't fire off so no heal.Nothing a stamplar have won't stop healing them because of lag or because they go on the defensive.

You just continue to show you don't know what your talking about.

Again, excuses. In lag, I'm pretty sure many skills don't activate, so what's your argument now?

I'm not suggesting they slot it, I'm saying it's an option for them. Healing must not be that important to you, otherwise you'd slot it if it would make that much of a difference. But you won't because you know it doesn't matter and the difference is not even significant enough to justify the loss of a slot in your build, and if its not that significant enough for you to recognize or care about, guess what that means for all those stamplars? Also not really that significant to care about; the resists are the only reason to slot that skill and exactly what everyone complaining about restoring focus/channeled focus complains about on that class. The rest is just an added bonus to further justify slotting it. I can't honestly think of a post where someone said "ZOS should extend the minor protection and minor mending from rune focus," I wonder why.

Want to know something funny though? Most of the stamplars I know that play in medium, light, or heavy and actually move don't even slot templar rune anymore because Chudan is superior and the rune is pretty much unusable in combat. You get a bonus to healing and minor protection in exchange for mobility and a skill slot. That's an awful trade-off, yet as an NB you can keep your mobility and take a laughable tick of damage to get your mending/vitality AND additional 3% from siphon tree passives and keep your mobility. Yet, by your own admission, it's not worth using a slot for 8% healing + the 3% additional healing you would get. More, you think it would be great if it was tacked on to a skill you already use or a passive so you don't have to sacrifice anything anymore, and then consider that fair and balanced? Again: NO.

Now let's look at something else that's quite funny. You get major resists from using a shadow skill, so "templars get resist from rune" is moot, Additionally, you have access to minor protection IF you take the other cloak morph which also happens to heal you %HP, give you minor protection, and raise your resists. I can't think of how that is not only a better heal, but a better use of a skill slot that templar's rune focus will ever be. Don't forget leeching strikes in addition to that healing. Don't have the dark cloak morph? Well you chose not to take it! You took the trade off and now you live with it or change it. Just like templars that don't slot rune focus will and are. Yet, somehow "Stam NB heals are the worst." Come and prove that statement, or is it that you realize yourself that your build choices cut your healing and its not as bad as you imagine it to be?

IZZEFlameLash

Thogard wrote: »

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Threads like this is Why PvP in ESO went from epic to sub par.

That's the thing... If you know anything about game theory, you'll know balanced games aren't necessarily the most fun games to play. Unbalanced games are really fun (for those who abuse the overpowered aspects of the game) and not so fun for those who don't. The best games are those who have slight power fluctuations (say 10-15%) that way those who are in that top percent feel strong but not so strong that those in the lower percent don't feel the fulfillment of beating them fairly regularly. Granted this is the holy grail of gaming because of the tons of variables that go in to balance like this. And with zenimax's general ignoring of feedback from class reps and general threads like these I feel like that balance is probably never going to be reached within the life of this game.

So, this thread was mainly the result of aggravation as a result of that. Even so some going points came out of it and dduke even convinced me of a better way to balance cloak

I get frustration. but people should understand by now that they're not capable of balancing the game. everything the current combat team touches turns to ash. just best not to give them any idea's and maybe that will slow them down a bit on their quest to annihilate Cyrodiil.

Pretty much this. My last hope was the rep program and even that was doomed to fail before it began.

Those who played for 3 or more years called this happening. Lol

I've been playing that long and I knew something was wrong by how long they took to make the selections. I still wanted to be positive but was very reserved in that thought.

You just were more optimistic than some of us. XD

CaliMade wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Zelos wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Zenimax while you are balancing nightblades can you please remove the defile from incap and make cloak increase in cost per use as streak does? I feel this will really be a step in the right direction of balancing this overpowered class.

Cloak is in a great place right now and doesnt need to be fixed, as I keep saying nightblade are supposed to be hard and elusive to catch and you want to take the theme of the class and ruin it you people just need to learn how to play. Nightblade are suppose to be hard to catch and here Is another thread wanting to remove skill and satisfaction from killing a skillful player who knows how to utilise cloak properly. So many things and mechanics break cloak its laughable and you want to make it EASIER are you for real.

Nothing more than a red herring argument. Nightblades can do fine without being able to spam cloak.

Oh yeah, they just have to slot cancer tank sets & bleeds and play in the same boring way as every other stam class.

How many threads have you made regarding NBs now? 5? 6?


I very rarely say this, but: L2P.

i hate nightblades with an undying passion, but i agree with this.

I do not agree because NBs can afford more damage because they don't have to slot Durok's Bane on their bleed builds.

And their bleeds hit 20% harder

I just don’t understand what DDuke was arguing before. Take away cloak and they play just like the other Stam classes.... yeah I know. They’re just as strong too... plenty of no cloak bleed blades dueling in stormhaven all the time.

Oh yeah 20% increased damage taken. Also yeah, unsure what DDuke is going on about, no Cloak bleed builds are a thing.

DDuke

Thogard wrote: »

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Threads like this is Why PvP in ESO went from epic to sub par.

That's the thing... If you know anything about game theory, you'll know balanced games aren't necessarily the most fun games to play. Unbalanced games are really fun (for those who abuse the overpowered aspects of the game) and not so fun for those who don't. The best games are those who have slight power fluctuations (say 10-15%) that way those who are in that top percent feel strong but not so strong that those in the lower percent don't feel the fulfillment of beating them fairly regularly. Granted this is the holy grail of gaming because of the tons of variables that go in to balance like this. And with zenimax's general ignoring of feedback from class reps and general threads like these I feel like that balance is probably never going to be reached within the life of this game.

So, this thread was mainly the result of aggravation as a result of that. Even so some going points came out of it and dduke even convinced me of a better way to balance cloak

I get frustration. but people should understand by now that they're not capable of balancing the game. everything the current combat team touches turns to ash. just best not to give them any idea's and maybe that will slow them down a bit on their quest to annihilate Cyrodiil.

Pretty much this. My last hope was the rep program and even that was doomed to fail before it began.

Those who played for 3 or more years called this happening. Lol

I've been playing that long and I knew something was wrong by how long they took to make the selections. I still wanted to be positive but was very reserved in that thought.

You just were more optimistic than some of us. XD

CaliMade wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Zelos wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Zenimax while you are balancing nightblades can you please remove the defile from incap and make cloak increase in cost per use as streak does? I feel this will really be a step in the right direction of balancing this overpowered class.

Cloak is in a great place right now and doesnt need to be fixed, as I keep saying nightblade are supposed to be hard and elusive to catch and you want to take the theme of the class and ruin it you people just need to learn how to play. Nightblade are suppose to be hard to catch and here Is another thread wanting to remove skill and satisfaction from killing a skillful player who knows how to utilise cloak properly. So many things and mechanics break cloak its laughable and you want to make it EASIER are you for real.

Nothing more than a red herring argument. Nightblades can do fine without being able to spam cloak.

Oh yeah, they just have to slot cancer tank sets & bleeds and play in the same boring way as every other stam class.

How many threads have you made regarding NBs now? 5? 6?


I very rarely say this, but: L2P.

i hate nightblades with an undying passion, but i agree with this.

I do not agree because NBs can afford more damage because they don't have to slot Durok's Bane on their bleed builds.

And their bleeds hit 20% harder

I just don’t understand what DDuke was arguing before. Take away cloak and they play just like the other Stam classes.... yeah I know. They’re just as strong too... plenty of no cloak bleed blades dueling in stormhaven all the time.

Dueling, yes.

Thanks to Incap cheese (half those stamblades will disappear once they can't Incap CC->Relentless anymore) & good offensive power. You don't need that much survivability to survive in a 1v1 scenario, just the usual tank sets & bleeds.

Take that no cloak stamblade to 1vX however & you start seeing the problems: just not enough healing/mitigation to survive anymore when focused by 2+ enemies, not like on other stam classes.

_Salty_

There are alot of terrible nightblades. I love when I get attacked by one. Survive the burst and they usually die easily. Good players though, regardless of class are hard to play against.

Sorcs and rune cage spam from half way accross cyrodiil needs to go however.

Durham

Astrid_V wrote: »

People who complain about cloak don't know how to use mark / mages light / detect pots

Wow I bet those are not affected by a person who moving in stealth with a swift trait and speed pot+ vamp passive.. Mark is the only thing that I'm concerned with the other two I'm out it's range extremely quick... Mark can only be used by a NB..

I have said this for the 1000th time Night blades are easy to play atm. A bow Night Blade super easy zerg surfer.. Melee NB awsome burst with a defile built in with ability to get away easily... Right now there are nbs everywhere the population of them has exploded compared to other classes except magicka sorcs..

LOOK around in Cyrodil and you quickly see 2 classes everywhere it not balanced it's extreamily unbalanced..

Stam DK how many do you see?
Stam Templar ?
Even the Stam Warden + stam sorcs would not = NBs atm
This is not a healthy PVP environment ... I play all the stam classes atm.. I understand the fear of NB they have seen in the past what happens to strong classes in the past ...

When some one is killed by a stam NB/ magicka sorc atm in my group no asks who it was or how they did it.. There is no comment .. However if a stam dk or stam temp kills there is an instant discussion on that person ... same goes for stam warden and same sorc.. This is telling imo..

Durham

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

Astrid_V wrote: »

People who complain about cloak don't know how to use mark / mages light / detect pots

This guy gets it why can’t the rest of you?

Because they are crap.. Mages light range sucks I'm not worried about pots either roll dodge to LOS and your freak gone .. It's stupid easy atm .. A proper stam player looks for LOS.. However using LOS +cloak+shade is for the win..

Mark forces me to run .. the others don't mean crap to me I just find structure and use LOS, cloak, shade...

Cloak is one of the best forms of mitigation period in the game... after the next patch its even stronger ..

What don't you get?

Lucky28

thankyourat wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Threads like this is Why PvP in ESO went from epic to sub par.

That's the thing... If you know anything about game theory, you'll know balanced games aren't necessarily the most fun games to play. Unbalanced games are really fun (for those who abuse the overpowered aspects of the game) and not so fun for those who don't. The best games are those who have slight power fluctuations (say 10-15%) that way those who are in that top percent feel strong but not so strong that those in the lower percent don't feel the fulfillment of beating them fairly regularly. Granted this is the holy grail of gaming because of the tons of variables that go in to balance like this. And with zenimax's general ignoring of feedback from class reps and general threads like these I feel like that balance is probably never going to be reached within the life of this game.

So, this thread was mainly the result of aggravation as a result of that. Even so some going points came out of it and dduke even convinced me of a better way to balance cloak

I get frustration. but people should understand by now that they're not capable of balancing the game. everything the current combat team touches turns to ash. just best not to give them any idea's and maybe that will slow them down a bit on their quest to annihilate Cyrodiil.

I actually think they are doing a good job on actual class balance. Magsorc is a little too strong right now and mag warden is a little too weak but you can make any class work right now which I think is actually pretty good. Some sets are not balanced right now mainly just proc sets if they the down proc sets, and resource poisons the game would be in a pretty good spot balance wise

How?. the classes where closer to being balanced in one tamriel than they are now and each class was still unique at that time. the direction they are going now to achieve class balance is to destroy class identity and make every class play the same. if they where doing "a good job" this game wouldn't be hemorrhaging players.

Zelos

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Zelos wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Zenimax while you are balancing nightblades can you please remove the defile from incap and make cloak increase in cost per use as streak does? I feel this will really be a step in the right direction of balancing this overpowered class.

Cloak is in a great place right now and doesnt need to be fixed.

Says a stamina nightblade. Oh the irony.

I personally wanted a buff to evil hunter. Nothing else. But instead they added ''counterplay'' to an already useless ability. I guess you're all lucky that wrobel loves his stamblade.

No I say it because cloak is in a good spot, just because you dont want to run a counter too it isnt my fault and is in no way justified to nerf a skill that defines a class. You want a buff to expert hunter fine who cares, you people just have no imagination. Stop nerfing and start asking for buffs instead jesus.

Thogard

Zelos wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Zelos wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Zenimax while you are balancing nightblades can you please remove the defile from incap and make cloak increase in cost per use as streak does? I feel this will really be a step in the right direction of balancing this overpowered class.

Cloak is in a great place right now and doesnt need to be fixed.

Says a stamina nightblade. Oh the irony.

I personally wanted a buff to evil hunter. Nothing else. But instead they added ''counterplay'' to an already useless ability. I guess you're all lucky that wrobel loves his stamblade.

No I say it because cloak is in a good spot, just because you dont want to run a counter too it isnt my fault and is in no way justified to nerf a skill that defines a class. You want a buff to expert hunter fine who cares, you people just have no imagination. Stop nerfing and start asking for buffs instead jesus.

What counter.

I’ve asked over and over again for a speed/stamina/detect pot.

Doesn’t exist. They brought in new alchemy ingredients with summerset and it still doesn’t exist.

There are no viable counters for a solo Stam DK, Stam Warden, and stamplar.