Zenimax in regards to nightblades

usmguy1234

Zenimax while you are balancing nightblades can you please remove the defile from incap and make cloak increase in cost per use as streak does? I feel this will really be a step in the right direction of balancing this overpowered class.

Anotherone773

They likely wont make anymore changes until they see what the results are of this change.

usmguy1234

Anotherone773 wrote: »

They likely wont make anymore changes until they see what the results are of this change.

The stun was never the issue with incap tbh.

Zelos

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Zenimax while you are balancing nightblades can you please remove the defile from incap and make cloak increase in cost per use as streak does? I feel this will really be a step in the right direction of balancing this overpowered class.

Cloak is in a great place right now and doesnt need to be fixed, as I keep saying nightblade are supposed to be hard and elusive to catch and you want to take the theme of the class and ruin it you people just need to learn how to play. Nightblade are suppose to be hard to catch and here Is another thread wanting to remove skill and satisfaction from killing a skillful player who knows how to utilise cloak properly. So many things and mechanics break cloak its laughable and you want to make it EASIER are you for real.

usmguy1234

Zelos wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Zenimax while you are balancing nightblades can you please remove the defile from incap and make cloak increase in cost per use as streak does? I feel this will really be a step in the right direction of balancing this overpowered class.

Cloak is in a great place right now and doesnt need to be fixed, as I keep saying nightblade are supposed to be hard and elusive to catch and you want to take the theme of the class and ruin it you people just need to learn how to play. Nightblade are suppose to be hard to catch and here Is another thread wanting to remove skill and satisfaction from killing a skillful player who knows how to utilise cloak properly. So many things and mechanics break cloak its laughable and you want to make it EASIER are you for real.

Nothing more than a red herring argument. Nightblades can do fine without being able to spam cloak.

ak_pvp

Cloak is indeed incredibly overtuned. Not only making you invis, but untargettable even if you know where you are, force misses and dot supression. All whilst the counters are bad. But increasing the cost of an ability the entire class is balanced around is a bad idea though. It wasn't good for streak either.

If anything, make dots deal 50% damage through, but not break it.This pressures resources rather than putting them in a godmode like state as long as they aren't found then remove force misses so the last attack goes through though doesn't . I would however stop it breaking on ST when detected or marked, and stop curse or POTL breaking it, and make mark weaker

TL;DR Less breakable, more pressurable. Then NBs will either be more shifty and cautious, raising the skill floor, or build higher defense.

DDuke

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Zelos wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Zenimax while you are balancing nightblades can you please remove the defile from incap and make cloak increase in cost per use as streak does? I feel this will really be a step in the right direction of balancing this overpowered class.

Cloak is in a great place right now and doesnt need to be fixed, as I keep saying nightblade are supposed to be hard and elusive to catch and you want to take the theme of the class and ruin it you people just need to learn how to play. Nightblade are suppose to be hard to catch and here Is another thread wanting to remove skill and satisfaction from killing a skillful player who knows how to utilise cloak properly. So many things and mechanics break cloak its laughable and you want to make it EASIER are you for real.

Nothing more than a red herring argument. Nightblades can do fine without being able to spam cloak.

Oh yeah, they just have to slot cancer tank sets & bleeds and play in the same boring way as every other stam class.

How many threads have you made regarding NBs now? 5? 6?


I very rarely say this, but: L2P.

Ragnarock41

Zelos wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Zenimax while you are balancing nightblades can you please remove the defile from incap and make cloak increase in cost per use as streak does? I feel this will really be a step in the right direction of balancing this overpowered class.

Cloak is in a great place right now and doesnt need to be fixed.

Says a stamina nightblade. Oh the irony.

I personally wanted a buff to evil hunter. Nothing else. But instead they added ''counterplay'' to an already useless ability. I guess you're all lucky that wrobel loves his stamblade.

rimmidimdim

Nerf sorcs! The rune cage nerf is appalling! Nb Sorc war. Let it begin!

Heimpai

Get rid of cloak and switch it with shields

Thogard

The fix for cloak is to either prevent healing while cloaked (like mist form) or to make it a bashable channel that can be interrupted if the NB isn’t CC immune.

usmguy1234

DDuke wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Zelos wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Zenimax while you are balancing nightblades can you please remove the defile from incap and make cloak increase in cost per use as streak does? I feel this will really be a step in the right direction of balancing this overpowered class.

Cloak is in a great place right now and doesnt need to be fixed, as I keep saying nightblade are supposed to be hard and elusive to catch and you want to take the theme of the class and ruin it you people just need to learn how to play. Nightblade are suppose to be hard to catch and here Is another thread wanting to remove skill and satisfaction from killing a skillful player who knows how to utilise cloak properly. So many things and mechanics break cloak its laughable and you want to make it EASIER are you for real.

Nothing more than a red herring argument. Nightblades can do fine without being able to spam cloak.

Oh yeah, they just have to slot cancer tank sets & bleeds and play in the same boring way as every other stam class.

How many threads have you made regarding NBs now? 5? 6?


I very rarely say this, but: L2P.

Nope this is the first one but good try. I'm not like some of the nightblades in the forums crying about sorcs 24/7. Also another red herring comment. If anything l2debate.

DDuke

usmguy1234 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Zelos wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Zenimax while you are balancing nightblades can you please remove the defile from incap and make cloak increase in cost per use as streak does? I feel this will really be a step in the right direction of balancing this overpowered class.

Cloak is in a great place right now and doesnt need to be fixed, as I keep saying nightblade are supposed to be hard and elusive to catch and you want to take the theme of the class and ruin it you people just need to learn how to play. Nightblade are suppose to be hard to catch and here Is another thread wanting to remove skill and satisfaction from killing a skillful player who knows how to utilise cloak properly. So many things and mechanics break cloak its laughable and you want to make it EASIER are you for real.

Nothing more than a red herring argument. Nightblades can do fine without being able to spam cloak.

Oh yeah, they just have to slot cancer tank sets & bleeds and play in the same boring way as every other stam class.

How many threads have you made regarding NBs now? 5? 6?


I very rarely say this, but: L2P.

Nope this is the first one but good try. I'm not like some of the nightblades in the forums crying about sorcs 24/7. Also another red herring comment. If anything l2debate.

Nope, you're just a sorc QQ'ing about NBs 24/7, even after their broken *** gets deservedly nerfed big time.


Meanwhile... "Rune Cage damage reduced by 20%".

Also, you should probably read up on what a red herring argument is. It implies there is a relevant and/or important issue at stake and I think the only such thing is your lack of skill in this game when you are in a position where you have to QQ about cloak, which is quite literally the easiest to counter and hardest to use defensive mechanic in the entire game.

ItsNebula

Zelos wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Zenimax while you are balancing nightblades can you please remove the defile from incap and make cloak increase in cost per use as streak does? I feel this will really be a step in the right direction of balancing this overpowered class.

to remove skill and satisfaction from killing a skillful player

StamBlades take no skill to play lmao. Anyone can hop on one and do good.

Also didn’t know that spamming cloak and hiding until a Zerg Comes to help you Xv1 is skillful??

Strider__Roshin

Thogard wrote: »

The fix for cloak is to either prevent healing while cloaked (like mist form) or to make it a bashable channel that can be interrupted if the NB isn’t CC immune.

I disagree with both of those suggestions. Not being able to heal doesn't make sense. Your opponent can't see you, why would this mean you can't heal? Making it a channel would kill the move since it's usage is reactionary, and not always reliable.

I think the better approach would be to allow DoTs to still work on the individual that's cloaked. Why should someone spontaneously stop bleeding just because no one sees them. Doesn't make sense.

pdebie64b16_ESO

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Zenimax while you are balancing nightblades can you please remove the defile from incap and make cloak increase in cost per use as streak does? I feel this will really be a step in the right direction of balancing this overpowered class.

Most stamblade builds can only use 3x cloak before running out of magicka, i dont see any reason to increase the cost of cloak...

usmguy1234

DDuke wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Zelos wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Zenimax while you are balancing nightblades can you please remove the defile from incap and make cloak increase in cost per use as streak does? I feel this will really be a step in the right direction of balancing this overpowered class.

Cloak is in a great place right now and doesnt need to be fixed, as I keep saying nightblade are supposed to be hard and elusive to catch and you want to take the theme of the class and ruin it you people just need to learn how to play. Nightblade are suppose to be hard to catch and here Is another thread wanting to remove skill and satisfaction from killing a skillful player who knows how to utilise cloak properly. So many things and mechanics break cloak its laughable and you want to make it EASIER are you for real.

Nothing more than a red herring argument. Nightblades can do fine without being able to spam cloak.

Oh yeah, they just have to slot cancer tank sets & bleeds and play in the same boring way as every other stam class.

How many threads have you made regarding NBs now? 5? 6?


I very rarely say this, but: L2P.

Nope this is the first one but good try. I'm not like some of the nightblades in the forums crying about sorcs 24/7. Also another red herring comment. If anything l2debate.

Nope, you're just a sorc QQ'ing about NBs 24/7, even after their broken *** gets deservedly nerfed big time.


Meanwhile... "Rune Cage damage reduced by 20%".

Also, you should probably read up on what a red herring argument is. It implies there is a relevant and/or important issue at stake and I think the only such thing is your lack of skill in this game when you are in a position where you have to QQ about cloak, which is quite literally the easiest to counter and hardest to use defensive mechanic in the entire game.

Wrong again.

"Red herring is a kind of fallacy that is an irrelevant topic introduced in an argument to divert the attention of listeners or readers from the original issue."

The relevance of my skill level or the plain out lie that nightblades cannot function without cloak spamming is misleading from the original argument.

DDuke

Daus wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

The fix for cloak is to either prevent healing while cloaked (like mist form) or to make it a bashable channel that can be interrupted if the NB isn’t CC immune.

I disagree with both of those suggestions. Not being able to doesn't make sense. Your opponent can't see you, why would this mean you can't heal? Making it a channel would kill the move since it's usage is reactionary, and not always reliable.

I think the better approach would be to allow DoTs to still work on the individual that's cloaked. Why should someone spontaneously stop bleeding just because no one sees them. Doesn't make sense.

And when those DoTs currently outdamage your healing outside stealth, how is one supposed to survive if they kill you in cloak as well?


I think people really overestimate medium stamblade survivability... courtesy of the tank meta I guess where most people run tank sets & bleeds and shape expectations of how the class performs in general.

DDuke

usmguy1234 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Zelos wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Zenimax while you are balancing nightblades can you please remove the defile from incap and make cloak increase in cost per use as streak does? I feel this will really be a step in the right direction of balancing this overpowered class.

Cloak is in a great place right now and doesnt need to be fixed, as I keep saying nightblade are supposed to be hard and elusive to catch and you want to take the theme of the class and ruin it you people just need to learn how to play. Nightblade are suppose to be hard to catch and here Is another thread wanting to remove skill and satisfaction from killing a skillful player who knows how to utilise cloak properly. So many things and mechanics break cloak its laughable and you want to make it EASIER are you for real.

Nothing more than a red herring argument. Nightblades can do fine without being able to spam cloak.

Oh yeah, they just have to slot cancer tank sets & bleeds and play in the same boring way as every other stam class.

How many threads have you made regarding NBs now? 5? 6?


I very rarely say this, but: L2P.

Nope this is the first one but good try. I'm not like some of the nightblades in the forums crying about sorcs 24/7. Also another red herring comment. If anything l2debate.

Nope, you're just a sorc QQ'ing about NBs 24/7, even after their broken *** gets deservedly nerfed big time.


Meanwhile... "Rune Cage damage reduced by 20%".

Also, you should probably read up on what a red herring argument is. It implies there is a relevant and/or important issue at stake and I think the only such thing is your lack of skill in this game when you are in a position where you have to QQ about cloak, which is quite literally the easiest to counter and hardest to use defensive mechanic in the entire game.

Wrong again.

"Red herring is a kind of fallacy that is an irrelevant topic introduced in an argument to divert the attention of listeners or readers from the original issue."

The relevance of my skill level or the plain out lie that nightblades cannot function without cloak is misleading from the original argument.

So kinda what you're doing right now?


Also, what makes you think NBs want to function without cloak? Personally I'd rather tear my eyes out than play even one minute of a regular bleed tank stam build.


In (MMO)RPGs it is important people can play playstyles they enjoy, this is why most of them include agile & nimble stealth classes.

DUTCH_REAPER

No cloak doesn’t need a cost increase.
You want to kill a NB? Pop a vis pot, magelight or an aoe.

Also known as L2P. Stop with the damn nerfs people.

Strider__Roshin

DDuke wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

The fix for cloak is to either prevent healing while cloaked (like mist form) or to make it a bashable channel that can be interrupted if the NB isn’t CC immune.

I disagree with both of those suggestions. Not being able to doesn't make sense. Your opponent can't see you, why would this mean you can't heal? Making it a channel would kill the move since it's usage is reactionary, and not always reliable.

I think the better approach would be to allow DoTs to still work on the individual that's cloaked. Why should someone spontaneously stop bleeding just because no one sees them. Doesn't make sense.

And when those DoTs currently outdamage your healing outside stealth, how is one supposed to survive if they kill you in cloak as well?


I think people really overestimate medium stamblade survivability... courtesy of the tank meta I guess where most people run tank sets & bleeds and shape expectations of how the class performs in general.

I know you suggested a dust trail while cloaked. Do you think this would be the most balanced approach?

Strider__Roshin

DDuke wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Zelos wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Zenimax while you are balancing nightblades can you please remove the defile from incap and make cloak increase in cost per use as streak does? I feel this will really be a step in the right direction of balancing this overpowered class.

Cloak is in a great place right now and doesnt need to be fixed, as I keep saying nightblade are supposed to be hard and elusive to catch and you want to take the theme of the class and ruin it you people just need to learn how to play. Nightblade are suppose to be hard to catch and here Is another thread wanting to remove skill and satisfaction from killing a skillful player who knows how to utilise cloak properly. So many things and mechanics break cloak its laughable and you want to make it EASIER are you for real.

Nothing more than a red herring argument. Nightblades can do fine without being able to spam cloak.

Oh yeah, they just have to slot cancer tank sets & bleeds and play in the same boring way as every other stam class.

How many threads have you made regarding NBs now? 5? 6?


I very rarely say this, but: L2P.

Nope this is the first one but good try. I'm not like some of the nightblades in the forums crying about sorcs 24/7. Also another red herring comment. If anything l2debate.

Nope, you're just a sorc QQ'ing about NBs 24/7, even after their broken *** gets deservedly nerfed big time.


Meanwhile... "Rune Cage damage reduced by 20%".

Also, you should probably read up on what a red herring argument is. It implies there is a relevant and/or important issue at stake and I think the only such thing is your lack of skill in this game when you are in a position where you have to QQ about cloak, which is quite literally the easiest to counter and hardest to use defensive mechanic in the entire game.

Wrong again.

"Red herring is a kind of fallacy that is an irrelevant topic introduced in an argument to divert the attention of listeners or readers from the original issue."

The relevance of my skill level or the plain out lie that nightblades cannot function without cloak is misleading from the original argument.

So kinda what you're doing right now?


Also, what makes you think NBs want to function without cloak? Personally I'd rather tear my eyes out than play even one minute of a regular bleed tank stam build.


In (MMO)RPGs it is important people can play playstyles they enjoy, this is why most of them include agile & nimble stealth classes.

I'm a non-stealth stamblade. Honestly with enough foresight and situational awareness you can still be successful. That is unless you're fighting a Rune Cage user. All of the talent in the world won't save you from the burst combo that's guaranteed with that CC.

Marabornwingrion

People who complain about cloak don't know how to use mark / mages light / detect pots

DUTCH_REAPER

Astrid_V wrote: »

People who complain about cloak don't know how to use mark / mages light / detect pots

This guy gets it why can’t the rest of you?

DDuke

Daus wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

The fix for cloak is to either prevent healing while cloaked (like mist form) or to make it a bashable channel that can be interrupted if the NB isn’t CC immune.

I disagree with both of those suggestions. Not being able to doesn't make sense. Your opponent can't see you, why would this mean you can't heal? Making it a channel would kill the move since it's usage is reactionary, and not always reliable.

I think the better approach would be to allow DoTs to still work on the individual that's cloaked. Why should someone spontaneously stop bleeding just because no one sees them. Doesn't make sense.

And when those DoTs currently outdamage your healing outside stealth, how is one supposed to survive if they kill you in cloak as well?


I think people really overestimate medium stamblade survivability... courtesy of the tank meta I guess where most people run tank sets & bleeds and shape expectations of how the class performs in general.

I know you suggested a dust trail while cloaked. Do you think this would be the most balanced approach?

Yep, dust trail/shimmering/footprints (last one would be original too afaik) - it has been enjoyable to play with/against in all MMOs (and one MOBA) I've played that have it.

I think Blade & Soul would be the best example of camouflage stealth: https://youtu.be/EPHpIUuQssU?t=31m57s

You can see shimmering where the stealther moves, but it's not too easy to spot (though easier in game than on the youtube video).

usmguy1234

DDuke wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Zelos wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Zenimax while you are balancing nightblades can you please remove the defile from incap and make cloak increase in cost per use as streak does? I feel this will really be a step in the right direction of balancing this overpowered class.

Cloak is in a great place right now and doesnt need to be fixed, as I keep saying nightblade are supposed to be hard and elusive to catch and you want to take the theme of the class and ruin it you people just need to learn how to play. Nightblade are suppose to be hard to catch and here Is another thread wanting to remove skill and satisfaction from killing a skillful player who knows how to utilise cloak properly. So many things and mechanics break cloak its laughable and you want to make it EASIER are you for real.

Nothing more than a red herring argument. Nightblades can do fine without being able to spam cloak.

Oh yeah, they just have to slot cancer tank sets & bleeds and play in the same boring way as every other stam class.

How many threads have you made regarding NBs now? 5? 6?


I very rarely say this, but: L2P.

Nope this is the first one but good try. I'm not like some of the nightblades in the forums crying about sorcs 24/7. Also another red herring comment. If anything l2debate.

Nope, you're just a sorc QQ'ing about NBs 24/7, even after their broken *** gets deservedly nerfed big time.


Meanwhile... "Rune Cage damage reduced by 20%".

Also, you should probably read up on what a red herring argument is. It implies there is a relevant and/or important issue at stake and I think the only such thing is your lack of skill in this game when you are in a position where you have to QQ about cloak, which is quite literally the easiest to counter and hardest to use defensive mechanic in the entire game.

Wrong again.

"Red herring is a kind of fallacy that is an irrelevant topic introduced in an argument to divert the attention of listeners or readers from the original issue."

The relevance of my skill level or the plain out lie that nightblades cannot function without cloak is misleading from the original argument.

So kinda what you're doing right now?


Also, what makes you think NBs want to function without cloak? Personally I'd rather tear my eyes out than play even one minute of a regular bleed tank stam build.


In (MMO)RPGs it is important people can play playstyles they enjoy, this is why most of them include agile & nimble stealth classes.

Nope and sorry I refuse to teach reading comprehension. I'll reiterate that I'm not proposing to get rid of cloak and incap but I have a feeling you'll miss that point again.

usmguy1234

Daus wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

The fix for cloak is to either prevent healing while cloaked (like mist form) or to make it a bashable channel that can be interrupted if the NB isn’t CC immune.

I disagree with both of those suggestions. Not being able to doesn't make sense. Your opponent can't see you, why would this mean you can't heal? Making it a channel would kill the move since it's usage is reactionary, and not always reliable.

I think the better approach would be to allow DoTs to still work on the individual that's cloaked. Why should someone spontaneously stop bleeding just because no one sees them. Doesn't make sense.

And when those DoTs currently outdamage your healing outside stealth, how is one supposed to survive if they kill you in cloak as well?


I think people really overestimate medium stamblade survivability... courtesy of the tank meta I guess where most people run tank sets & bleeds and shape expectations of how the class performs in general.

I know you suggested a dust trail while cloaked. Do you think this would be the most balanced approach?

@Daus This would be awesome actually.

Strider__Roshin

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

The fix for cloak is to either prevent healing while cloaked (like mist form) or to make it a bashable channel that can be interrupted if the NB isn’t CC immune.

I disagree with both of those suggestions. Not being able to doesn't make sense. Your opponent can't see you, why would this mean you can't heal? Making it a channel would kill the move since it's usage is reactionary, and not always reliable.

I think the better approach would be to allow DoTs to still work on the individual that's cloaked. Why should someone spontaneously stop bleeding just because no one sees them. Doesn't make sense.

And when those DoTs currently outdamage your healing outside stealth, how is one supposed to survive if they kill you in cloak as well?


I think people really overestimate medium stamblade survivability... courtesy of the tank meta I guess where most people run tank sets & bleeds and shape expectations of how the class performs in general.

I know you suggested a dust trail while cloaked. Do you think this would be the most balanced approach?

@Daus This would be awesome actually.

It was @DDuke 's idea. I liked it as well.

usmguy1234

@DDuke

Daus wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

The fix for cloak is to either prevent healing while cloaked (like mist form) or to make it a bashable channel that can be interrupted if the NB isn’t CC immune.

I disagree with both of those suggestions. Not being able to doesn't make sense. Your opponent can't see you, why would this mean you can't heal? Making it a channel would kill the move since it's usage is reactionary, and not always reliable.

I think the better approach would be to allow DoTs to still work on the individual that's cloaked. Why should someone spontaneously stop bleeding just because no one sees them. Doesn't make sense.

And when those DoTs currently outdamage your healing outside stealth, how is one supposed to survive if they kill you in cloak as well?


I think people really overestimate medium stamblade survivability... courtesy of the tank meta I guess where most people run tank sets & bleeds and shape expectations of how the class performs in general.

I know you suggested a dust trail while cloaked. Do you think this would be the most balanced approach?

@Daus This would be awesome actually.

It was @DDuke 's idea. I liked it as well.

Awesome idea.

DDuke

usmguy1234 wrote: »

@DDuke

Daus wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

The fix for cloak is to either prevent healing while cloaked (like mist form) or to make it a bashable channel that can be interrupted if the NB isn’t CC immune.

I disagree with both of those suggestions. Not being able to doesn't make sense. Your opponent can't see you, why would this mean you can't heal? Making it a channel would kill the move since it's usage is reactionary, and not always reliable.

I think the better approach would be to allow DoTs to still work on the individual that's cloaked. Why should someone spontaneously stop bleeding just because no one sees them. Doesn't make sense.

And when those DoTs currently outdamage your healing outside stealth, how is one supposed to survive if they kill you in cloak as well?


I think people really overestimate medium stamblade survivability... courtesy of the tank meta I guess where most people run tank sets & bleeds and shape expectations of how the class performs in general.

I know you suggested a dust trail while cloaked. Do you think this would be the most balanced approach?

@Daus This would be awesome actually.

It was @DDuke 's idea. I liked it as well.

Awesome idea.

Look, I'm not against making NB more difficult to play. Difficult is fun, which is why I'm a big fan of the Incap change for example.


What you get with cost increases & DoTs going through cloak though isn't difficult - it's just frustrating.

And it doesn't make NBs less "overpowered", it just makes them change to tank sets & bleeds rather than cloaks/dodge rolls & burst.


And I even agree that cloak can be frustrating to fight against.

I have a mDK I'm very fond of, I don't like spamming Volatile just to see a NB cloak again and again until I run out of magicka spamming that skill.

I know it's almost impossible to die to a Warden on stamblade.

But I also know you get hardcountered by a lot of things and if you aren't playing one of those tankblades with bleeds... well, SOL I'm afraid.


So camouflage style stealth would make it more enjoyable to play against NBs for Wardens/mDKs (well, everyone really but especially those two classes) and I know it'd make it more enjoyable to play against other NBs as well (the few that somehow escape Bombard spam) on my own.

Another thing they could do without ruining stealth oriented playstyles is making cloak have a cooldown if you get revealed prematurely by things like... Volatile Armor (or any other source of damage).

Boom, cloak abuse eradicated & doesn't mess up stamblades because you can cloak only 2-3 times in a row anyway in noCP/BGs.

Might even help them make smarter decisions in combat.

KingJ

Overpowered class don't you main a magsorc lmaooooooooooooooooooo