50k Werewolf Light Attack Build

Masel

Werewolf Raids incoming!


2 Molag Kena, 5 Blood Moon and 5 Perfect Relequen with Dual Wield. I prebuffed a bit, but in raids this is gonna be insane. Not even taking into account that the Werewolf cost is reduced for every Werewolf in your raid. You don't even use a lot of skills, but the light attack spam made my fingers hurt so i had to stop after a while.

The major fracture provided by deafening roar currently isnt working, otherwise i'd have 50k easily by myself, this way i have to get it from someone else.

Video:

https://youtu.be/A55qMeaLKZo

Parse :

Avran_Sylt

Yuuuup. I wonder if the Light Attack changes in Summerset (notably the nerf to WW light attacks), were done with this patch in mind.

I am fully for them rolling back the change the community pushed after the fact (even though I was one of the people who pushed it in the first place...)

Liofa

Can you also test Hulking Draugr please? I am not sure how it would scale with the WW Max Stamina bonus but definitely want to see how it would perform.

huschdeguddzje

Guess it's time to make a werewolf

Aznox

As expected, even a bit higher thanks to Blood Moon.

would be curious to see if Selene can compete with Kena in this configuration.

As much as a love werewolf, the idea of having 4-6 players with identical visuals, animations, rotation, sounds, etc.. in a raid group does not appeal to me at all ...

Well, the testing is going to be fun at least

jkolb2030

hahahahaha!

This is actually really hilarious that this could be a new meta compared to a group full of magblades...

I agree, this definitely needs to be addressed and fixed - no way should this be a thing. WW should be viable in many aspects of the game, sure... This is just stupid.

Aztlan

I love it. So pleased.

BohnT

Werewolves
What werewolves DO NOT want
To become overpowered. They realize they teeter on the line.
To get the best dps or to become meta, or even to get directly competitive dps. They don’t want a werewolf in every group. Werewolves like feeling special and needing to exert greater effort to achieve the same or even just shy of the same results in PvE.

Zos exactly understand what the WW community wanted

Qbiken

BohnT wrote: »

Werewolves
What werewolves DO NOT want
To become overpowered. They realize they teeter on the line.
To get the best dps or to become meta, or even to get directly competitive dps. They don’t want a werewolf in every group. Werewolves like feeling special and needing to exert greater effort to achieve the same or even just shy of the same results in PvE.

Zos exactly understand what the WW community wanted

You told me this would happen xD
#trusttheBohnT

Zer0oo

The new WW rotation summarized.

Faulgor

Any reason this wasn't possible before, besides the Blood Moon set?
I mean, the new Blood Rage passive only makes a difference on target dummys, in real dungeons/trials you take damage all the time anyway.

Glaiceana

Well, that is beautiful to see! That's a bit more dps than I can pull on my main dd in her normal form, I don't know about everyone else, but I am very excited to be able to use werewolf form a lot more often and still be a good dd in PvE

Edit: I understand that its a very boring and simple rotation, but there is a lot of those happening already. Sure I would like it to be more skilled, I am just happy to see werewolf perform well on the dummy. Also a reminder to everyone, its still early days on the PTS, a lot of things will change and get nerfed most likely.

Baz

Wow, this rotation looks skilled

Aznox

Faulgor wrote: »

Any reason this wasn't possible before, besides the Blood Moon set?
I mean, the new Blood Rage passive only makes a difference on target dummys, in real dungeons/trials you take damage all the time anyway.

Among other things :
- Blood Moon is adding around 22% LA/Bleed DPS. (around doubled damage with 22% uptime)
- Pack leader morph damage seems to has been buffed A LOT : quick calc shows the wolves do more than twice the additional bleed damage Berserker morph would bring.
- It was NOT possible to reliably maintain form in Group PvE while performing an optimal rotation (without using pounce) with the old blood rage passive. Now you only "loose" 0,2sec of timer every 5sec when autoattacking, without any other werewolf in the group.

Faulgor

Aznox wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Any reason this wasn't possible before, besides the Blood Moon set?
I mean, the new Blood Rage passive only makes a difference on target dummys, in real dungeons/trials you take damage all the time anyway.

Among other things :
- Blood Moon is adding around 22% LA/Bleed DPS. (around doubled damage with 22% uptime)
- Pack leader morph damage seems to has been buffed A LOT : quick calc shows the wolves do more than twice the additional bleed damage Berserker morph would bring.
- It was NOT possible to reliably maintain form in Group PvE while performing an optimal rotation (without using pounce) with the old blood rage passive. Now you only "loose" 0,2sec of timer every 5sec when autoattacking, without any other werewolf in the group.

Alright, interesting. Blood Moon seems like a must have then.
Are there good alternatives to Releqen, though? I realize it's BIS for stamina atm, but it's also quite boring, and the almost exclusively LA rotation might benefit more from other sets. Kvatch Gladiator might be interesting ...

Masel

Faulgor wrote: »

Aznox wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Any reason this wasn't possible before, besides the Blood Moon set?
I mean, the new Blood Rage passive only makes a difference on target dummys, in real dungeons/trials you take damage all the time anyway.

Among other things :
- Blood Moon is adding around 22% LA/Bleed DPS. (around doubled damage with 22% uptime)
- Pack leader morph damage seems to has been buffed A LOT : quick calc shows the wolves do more than twice the additional bleed damage Berserker morph would bring.
- It was NOT possible to reliably maintain form in Group PvE while performing an optimal rotation (without using pounce) with the old blood rage passive. Now you only "loose" 0,2sec of timer every 5sec when autoattacking, without any other werewolf in the group.

Alright, interesting. Blood Moon seems like a must have then.
Are there good alternatives to Releqen, though? I realize it's BIS for stamina atm, but it's also quite boring, and the almost exclusively LA rotation might benefit more from other sets. Kvatch Gladiator might be interesting ...

you can also go for undaunted infiltrator and retrait it to robust. One-bar set buff that gets activated by using a stamina ability, gets boosted by everything.

Aznox

Faulgor wrote: »

Aznox wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Any reason this wasn't possible before, besides the Blood Moon set?
I mean, the new Blood Rage passive only makes a difference on target dummys, in real dungeons/trials you take damage all the time anyway.

Among other things :
- Blood Moon is adding around 22% LA/Bleed DPS. (around doubled damage with 22% uptime)
- Pack leader morph damage seems to has been buffed A LOT : quick calc shows the wolves do more than twice the additional bleed damage Berserker morph would bring.
- It was NOT possible to reliably maintain form in Group PvE while performing an optimal rotation (without using pounce) with the old blood rage passive. Now you only "loose" 0,2sec of timer every 5sec when autoattacking, without any other werewolf in the group.

Alright, interesting. Blood Moon seems like a must have then.
Are there good alternatives to Releqen, though? I realize it's BIS for stamina atm, but it's also quite boring, and the almost exclusively LA rotation might benefit more from other sets. Kvatch Gladiator might be interesting ...

I think Relequen is even more BiS here because - like the bleed - it procs on every LA at t=0.

See how the parse have 208 Relequen ticks for 115sec of fight

Masel

Aznox wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Aznox wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Any reason this wasn't possible before, besides the Blood Moon set?
I mean, the new Blood Rage passive only makes a difference on target dummys, in real dungeons/trials you take damage all the time anyway.

Among other things :
- Blood Moon is adding around 22% LA/Bleed DPS. (around doubled damage with 22% uptime)
- Pack leader morph damage seems to has been buffed A LOT : quick calc shows the wolves do more than twice the additional bleed damage Berserker morph would bring.
- It was NOT possible to reliably maintain form in Group PvE while performing an optimal rotation (without using pounce) with the old blood rage passive. Now you only "loose" 0,2sec of timer every 5sec when autoattacking, without any other werewolf in the group.

Alright, interesting. Blood Moon seems like a must have then.
Are there good alternatives to Releqen, though? I realize it's BIS for stamina atm, but it's also quite boring, and the almost exclusively LA rotation might benefit more from other sets. Kvatch Gladiator might be interesting ...

I think Relequen is even more BiS here because - like the bleed - it procs on every LA at t=0.

See how the parse have 208 Relequen ticks for 115sec of fight

Yeah that is true, ill test undaunted unweaver just now as well because it has the same condition.

EDIT: I tested it and it is a lot worse than relequen. By a lot i mean about 10k dps.

zyk

This is idiotic. Truly. Why have the combat depth this game has for it to be reduced to this?

Aznox

Masel92 wrote: »

Aznox wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Aznox wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Any reason this wasn't possible before, besides the Blood Moon set?
I mean, the new Blood Rage passive only makes a difference on target dummys, in real dungeons/trials you take damage all the time anyway.

Among other things :
- Blood Moon is adding around 22% LA/Bleed DPS. (around doubled damage with 22% uptime)
- Pack leader morph damage seems to has been buffed A LOT : quick calc shows the wolves do more than twice the additional bleed damage Berserker morph would bring.
- It was NOT possible to reliably maintain form in Group PvE while performing an optimal rotation (without using pounce) with the old blood rage passive. Now you only "loose" 0,2sec of timer every 5sec when autoattacking, without any other werewolf in the group.

Alright, interesting. Blood Moon seems like a must have then.
Are there good alternatives to Releqen, though? I realize it's BIS for stamina atm, but it's also quite boring, and the almost exclusively LA rotation might benefit more from other sets. Kvatch Gladiator might be interesting ...

I think Relequen is even more BiS here because - like the bleed - it procs on every LA at t=0.

See how the parse have 208 Relequen ticks for 115sec of fight

Yeah that is true, ill test undaunted unweaver just now as well because it has the same condition.

Not worth it.

Base werewolf LA speed is 1,67 LA/sec
Blood Moon is roughly 6-7k DPS

You would need a proc per LA higher than 4k to replace Blood Moon

Selene could bring 3k DPS before mitigation but i doubt its going to surpass Kena.

Won't be easy to go higher that what you have.

Nifty2g

ZOS outdid themselves with this one, would think after 4 years of balancing we wouldn't see stuff like this anymore.

Aznox

Funny thing is this setup is going to be perfectly viable in pvp too, now that werewolf building is easy-mode and you don't need a minimum of spell damage / max magicka to get decent heals.

Just swap Kena for Troll King or Chudan, and enjoy free sustained DPS and free burst.

IxSTALKERxI

You should do it on a stam sorc for implosion procs.

Anne_Firehawk

booooooooooooooring

Aznox

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

You should do it on a stam sorc for implosion procs.

and 5% more physical damage. (which is more that 90% of this parse)

overall we are probably looking at 52,5K DPS by switching to stamsorc.

rafaelcsmaia

Aznox wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

You should do it on a stam sorc for implosion procs.

and 5% more physical damage. (which is more that 90% of this parse)

overall we are probably looking at 52,5K DPS by switching to stamsorc.

And also im pretty sure camoran is overkill for LA sustain, could go with bi stat food for even more deeps

LioraValkyrie

This tops the 36k bash-only parse on the last PTS cycle. After checking that Combat Metrics, it seems could easily hit 42k with this build using NOTHING BUT light attacks. XD

Lord_Eomer

LioraValkyrie wrote: »

This tops the 36k bash-only parse on the last PTS cycle. After checking that Combat Metrics, it seems could easily hit 42k with this build using NOTHING BUT light attacks. XD

Problem remains for WW in doing AOE damage during raids!

Aznox

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

LioraValkyrie wrote: »

This tops the 36k bash-only parse on the last PTS cycle. After checking that Combat Metrics, it seems could easily hit 42k with this build using NOTHING BUT light attacks. XD

Problem remains for WW in doing AOE damage during raids!

AoE Relequen through heavy attacks anyone ?

AuldWolf

This isn't going to end well...

I feel so, so bad for werewolf players who're going to try and stick it out. What they should've done is just made werewolf a toggle with respectable DPS. Like everyone has been saying since the start. Now werewolf can be perma-maintained but only because it can pull 50k DPS, which is going to get nerfed into the ground.

I feel really, really, really super bad for werewolf fans. I've learned my lesson but I think some are going to be inspired by this, only to get the rug torn out from under them later.

Aznox

LioraValkyrie wrote: »

After checking that Combat Metrics, it seems could easily hit 42k with this build using NOTHING BUT light attacks. XD

Wait till you add other Werewolves to the group :

Howl of Despair (morph): The synergy now grants the ally Empower for all Light Attacks for 5 seconds. Previously, it granted 10% more Light and Heavy Attack damage for 15 seconds.