Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Two reasons.
1. It's considered essentially a community resource because there are so many werewolves and vampires, which is a point of pride for them, that when someone holds it behind a monitary wall, people call them what they are. Exploitative. It's a commodity that is in demand but has no supply limit, people who want you to pay for it are idiotic, especially because people from guilds are more than happy to oblige.
Doctordarkspawn wrote: »2. Because of what happened at release. Back in the day, it was pricegouged, people going out of their way to enforce the scarcity. People used to kill the mobs needed to contract either disease so others couldn't get it, and thus they had to pay.
Doctordarkspawn wrote: »The practice has been demonized because the people who do it are usually ***. S'not entitlement to frown upon someone pricegouging something that's readily available. If I set up a hot-dog stand next to a hotdog stand selling hotdogs for 10 bucks, and demanded 100 bucks per hotdog, with no actual improvement on the product, people will call me an idiot and go to the other stand. That's what this is.
I'm genuinely curious about the logic involved in this. I saw someone in zone chat ask for a bite, and the only person available to do it was busy but said they'd do it but since it was interrupting them and out of their way they were asking 10k, to which the asker agreed. Immediately, first one and then a bunch of people jumped on the would-be biter, calling them all sorts of names and being generally hostile and angry that they would dare charge for a bite and insisting that bites should always be free. I've seen this sort of conversation many times over the past year, and no one ever answers me when I ask in zone chat: Why is it different to ask for gold for a bite than it is to ask for gold for Skyreach runs, or mats, or something that you stumbled over in a treasure chest?
I know people who bought the bite in the crown store, way back. I also know people who farmed *hard* for the special spawns to earn their bite the hard way out in the wild and are very proud of that accomplishment. So why is this worthless compared to an accidental find, or some time spent picking up a few nodes, or running content with someone to help them earn xp? The bitee is basically asking to have an entire skill line shared with them. Why is this worth less than someone's higher CP level in Skyreach, or someone's luck with a chest?
(Note--within guilds I see a lot of bites given back and forth to guildies, but I also see a lot of items and mats and gold and carries given freely, too, so that's aside from this "random request in zone" thing.)
Having been scammed out of gold when I was more of a noob looking for a bite I certainly look down on anyone charging for bites. It's not like you can get bitten and give gold simultaneously so it's always a risk with a stranger, which is usually the only ones available to bite you.
What's the cooldown, 7 days? Moreover, it does take at least some time and effort to track down blood fiends. So yeah, it shouldn't be free. If you want insta vampire you should have to pay for the convenience. ZOS sells this in the Crown Store for around $15 , but I'm to believe it has no in-game value?
Vampires should be able to overfeed and kill their target if they so choose. You're asking a Vampire to bite you, it should be dangerous and unpredictable. Maybe I'm feeling nice that day, maybe not. Either way, it's an incentive to tip!!
There's too many friendly vamps running around Tamriel, get into character people! Maybe next time you go bite someone at the alter, you can bake them some cookies too.
I believe that this originates from when it was discovered that you could get bites from NPC's..... specific ppl farmed those NPC's and killed them holding the general public to ransom on bites.... and charging a lot of gold for them...
hence the strong reaction now...
I don't get the mentality of asking for money for everything.. I got a vampire bite this week for free.. I didn't expect to pay for it and currency was not even discussed..
Can't people just be friendly and help each other out?
When i can if anyone asks i'll give bites for free.. just doing my part to help the community.
I don't get the mentality of asking for money for everything.. I got a vampire bite this week for free.. I didn't expect to pay for it and currency was not even discussed..
Can't people just be friendly and help each other out?
When i can if anyone asks i'll give bites for free.. just doing my part to help the community.
I don't get why people won't give me upgrade materials for free, I have a lot of stuff to upgrade, and people get free materials when they upgrade raw stuff. Can't people just be friendly and help each other out ?
See the problem with that ?
The difference is the perception of value.
We perceive upgrade materials as valuable, and ask for a price. Other people perceive them as valuable and are willing to pay the price we ask.
You don't see a vampire bite as valuable, therefore give it away for free.
Other people perceive it as valuable, therefore are incentivized to get into a transaction for it in exchange for currency.
The point is not whether or not it has value, but if it's acceptable to bully people that sell them into giving them for free.
I believe it's not.
I don't get the mentality of asking for money for everything.. I got a vampire bite this week for free.. I didn't expect to pay for it and currency was not even discussed..
Can't people just be friendly and help each other out?
When i can if anyone asks i'll give bites for free.. just doing my part to help the community.
I don't get why people won't give me upgrade materials for free, I have a lot of stuff to upgrade, and people get free materials when they upgrade raw stuff. Can't people just be friendly and help each other out ?
See the problem with that ?
The difference is the perception of value.
We perceive upgrade materials as valuable, and ask for a price. Other people perceive them as valuable and are willing to pay the price we ask.
You don't see a vampire bite as valuable, therefore give it away for free.
Other people perceive it as valuable, therefore are incentivized to get into a transaction for it in exchange for currency.
The point is not whether or not it has value, but if it's acceptable to bully people that sell them into giving them for free.
I believe it's not.
I do give upgrade materials for free if i can spare them so no i don't understand.
...but if it's acceptable to bully people that sell them into giving them for free.
I believe it's not.
madchuska83 wrote: »I remember when the game first launched there were Vampire and Werewolf RP guilds who would camp out and kill the mobs that infect you. Always screaming about keeping the bloodlines pure, then you'd see them selling bites for 20k+.
starkerealm wrote: »...but if it's acceptable to bully people that sell them into giving them for free.
I believe it's not.
It shouldn't be acceptable. But, as I mentioned a minute ago, the bite situation has some history that informs how the community views it.
That said, a lot of people will hear the, "never pay for bites," advice without realizing there's a cooldown on Blood Ritual. I've had to explain to players in zone that it wasn't possible to bite everyone who asked because of the timer. People seem to be more knowledgeable about that now, but if someone thinks that biting really is no-cost to the user, then I could see them arguing for free bites.
starkerealm wrote: »...but if it's acceptable to bully people that sell them into giving them for free.
I believe it's not.
It shouldn't be acceptable. But, as I mentioned a minute ago, the bite situation has some history that informs how the community views it.
That said, a lot of people will hear the, "never pay for bites," advice without realizing there's a cooldown on Blood Ritual. I've had to explain to players in zone that it wasn't possible to bite everyone who asked because of the timer. People seem to be more knowledgeable about that now, but if someone thinks that biting really is no-cost to the user, then I could see them arguing for free bites.
And that's fine, but as stated before, it's not the case anymore.
It's an argument based on ignorance, and while I understand you're not necessarily defending it, I don't agree with it.
Also, it's not accurate, because while it's true that some people have that mindset, some other simply emulate them and say "never pay for bites" without even knowing the background of why someone says that.
Some other are just plain entitled. I can tell you I had to ignore people because they kept whispering me "bite me" while I was waiting for a guildie at the shrine.
First one I said "can't sorry", the second "already taken, sorry" the third, forth and fifth I didn't even bother replying.
That happens often when I'm at the shrine.
starkerealm wrote: »...but if it's acceptable to bully people that sell them into giving them for free.
I believe it's not.
It shouldn't be acceptable. But, as I mentioned a minute ago, the bite situation has some history that informs how the community views it.
That said, a lot of people will hear the, "never pay for bites," advice without realizing there's a cooldown on Blood Ritual. I've had to explain to players in zone that it wasn't possible to bite everyone who asked because of the timer. People seem to be more knowledgeable about that now, but if someone thinks that biting really is no-cost to the user, then I could see them arguing for free bites.
And that's fine, but as stated before, it's not the case anymore.
It's an argument based on ignorance, and while I understand you're not necessarily defending it, I don't agree with it.
Also, it's not accurate, because while it's true that some people have that mindset, some other simply emulate them and say "never pay for bites" without even knowing the background of why someone says that.
Some other are just plain entitled. I can tell you I had to ignore people because they kept whispering me "bite me" while I was waiting for a guildie at the shrine.
First one I said "can't sorry", the second "already taken, sorry" the third, forth and fifth I didn't even bother replying.
That happens often when I'm at the shrine.
starkerealm wrote: »...but if it's acceptable to bully people that sell them into giving them for free.
I believe it's not.
It shouldn't be acceptable. But, as I mentioned a minute ago, the bite situation has some history that informs how the community views it.
That said, a lot of people will hear the, "never pay for bites," advice without realizing there's a cooldown on Blood Ritual. I've had to explain to players in zone that it wasn't possible to bite everyone who asked because of the timer. People seem to be more knowledgeable about that now, but if someone thinks that biting really is no-cost to the user, then I could see them arguing for free bites.
And that's fine, but as stated before, it's not the case anymore.
It's an argument based on ignorance, and while I understand you're not necessarily defending it, I don't agree with it.
Also, it's not accurate, because while it's true that some people have that mindset, some other simply emulate them and say "never pay for bites" without even knowing the background of why someone says that.
Some other are just plain entitled. I can tell you I had to ignore people because they kept whispering me "bite me" while I was waiting for a guildie at the shrine.
First one I said "can't sorry", the second "already taken, sorry" the third, forth and fifth I didn't even bother replying.
That happens often when I'm at the shrine.
I have 8 werewolf characters who are almost always are on cooldown due to biting people, 75% of them being randoms.... I never had this problem, seems you're pretty (un)lucky or exaggerating.
starkerealm wrote: »...but if it's acceptable to bully people that sell them into giving them for free.
I believe it's not.
It shouldn't be acceptable. But, as I mentioned a minute ago, the bite situation has some history that informs how the community views it.
That said, a lot of people will hear the, "never pay for bites," advice without realizing there's a cooldown on Blood Ritual. I've had to explain to players in zone that it wasn't possible to bite everyone who asked because of the timer. People seem to be more knowledgeable about that now, but if someone thinks that biting really is no-cost to the user, then I could see them arguing for free bites.
And that's fine, but as stated before, it's not the case anymore.
It's an argument based on ignorance, and while I understand you're not necessarily defending it, I don't agree with it.
Also, it's not accurate, because while it's true that some people have that mindset, some other simply emulate them and say "never pay for bites" without even knowing the background of why someone says that.
Some other are just plain entitled. I can tell you I had to ignore people because they kept whispering me "bite me" while I was waiting for a guildie at the shrine.
First one I said "can't sorry", the second "already taken, sorry" the third, forth and fifth I didn't even bother replying.
That happens often when I'm at the shrine.
I have 8 werewolf characters who are almost always are on cooldown due to biting people, 75% of them being randoms.... I never had this problem, seems you're pretty (un)lucky or exaggerating.
It's an argument based on ignorance, and while I understand you're not necessarily defending it, I don't agree with it.
starkerealm wrote: »...but if it's acceptable to bully people that sell them into giving them for free.
I believe it's not.
It shouldn't be acceptable. But, as I mentioned a minute ago, the bite situation has some history that informs how the community views it.
That said, a lot of people will hear the, "never pay for bites," advice without realizing there's a cooldown on Blood Ritual. I've had to explain to players in zone that it wasn't possible to bite everyone who asked because of the timer. People seem to be more knowledgeable about that now, but if someone thinks that biting really is no-cost to the user, then I could see them arguing for free bites.
And that's fine, but as stated before, it's not the case anymore.
It's an argument based on ignorance, and while I understand you're not necessarily defending it, I don't agree with it.
Also, it's not accurate, because while it's true that some people have that mindset, some other simply emulate them and say "never pay for bites" without even knowing the background of why someone says that.
Some other are just plain entitled. I can tell you I had to ignore people because they kept whispering me "bite me" while I was waiting for a guildie at the shrine.
First one I said "can't sorry", the second "already taken, sorry" the third, forth and fifth I didn't even bother replying.
That happens often when I'm at the shrine.
I have 8 werewolf characters who are almost always are on cooldown due to biting people, 75% of them being randoms.... I never had this problem, seems you're pretty (un)lucky or exaggerating.
As I said, I only bite guildies, so it doesn't happen as often as you, it seems.
Also, not all my characters are vamp/ww, so I have less than you.
Also, you're already servicing randoms, the chance to get someone at the shrine to ask you for it is less.
Basically, different population = different sample.