ZOS is updating Crown Store WAY FASTER than updating the game itself.
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DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭But I LIKE Orange Juice... especially with Vodka or champagne... yum! And I drink scotch. Beer is the nectar of nitwits.
Again... but then you'd have to play WoW or FF14. Ick.Lol people are really comparing WoW and FF14 with ESO? Lol!
They literally charge you for breathing there! Breathing!
Pay the ridiculous mandatory subscription, buy the base game + any expansion with almost a full game price, plus cash shops....
Come on, with all this money they charge they have to deliver the most top freaking mmo ever, not the old combat ridiculous boring game they have now.
And yet FF14 and WOW don't release overpriced DLCs every 3 months, and dumping loads of stuff into cash shop.
So if I'm saying "orange juice is cheaper and healthier than beer", then I must only drink orange juice and forbid to drink beer?
None sense.
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Pr0Skygon✭✭✭✭✭Totally agree.1 expansion for WOW costs 60$, with contents as many as 2 years worth of ESO DLCs + chapters. While in 2 years 2 time, it'd costs you close to, or even more than 200$ to get all of the DLCs.
And let's be real, most vet players all have ESO+, since it's truly is a handicap to not having it.
The downside to it: You‘d have to play WOW.
yeah, fair enough. I'm fed up with the grind.0 -
Kuwhar✭✭✭✭Missed the poll option: "Disagree completely"
Its apples and oranges, the store does not need balancing, bug testing, and asset building.1 -
Pr0Skygon✭✭✭✭✭Totally agree.Seraphayel wrote: »The problem with that is that you'd have to play WoW or FF. Is it any wonder they do that?Seraphayel wrote: »
Considering Summerset, good story lines, good zone and a new trial. Yes, the content development team is doing great.
That's a joke isn't it? Other games offer 5 new zones and 10 dungeons in an expansion for $30 and not just one zone with a short trial.
I mean WoW and FFXIV got a lot more content in their content patches that are "free" than ZOS packed into Summerset.MasturCheef wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »
Considering Summerset, good story lines, good zone and a new trial. Yes, the content development team is doing great.
That's a joke isn't it? Other games offer 5 new zones and 10 dungeons in an expansion for $30 and not just one zone with a short trial.
I mean WoW and FFXIV got a lot more content in their content patches that are "free" than ZOS packed into Summerset.
YOU are joking, aren‘t you? WoW gets those updates every 3 years, ESO gets a chapter, a dungeon DLC, a story DLC and a random DLC which could be anything EVERY year. Ask WoW-players about their opinion on Blizzards update-cycles and their update downtimes of up to 1 year (in warlords of draenor after the last raid, siege of ogrimmar, released, players had to wait a year for the next content update)
Your argument is invalid.
Do you take anyone seriously that tried to point out that WoW does anything better than here? I do not. After all they are playing this game, not WoW.
If you deny that the content delivery and amount of content in ESO Chapters and patches is bigger than in WoW you're deliberately lying.
I mean we can just start comparing the last two WoW expansions + content patches afterwards to the last two ESO chapters + DLCs afterwards and it's obvious which game will win here. I mean we can compare one WoW expansion (because they have a lifetime of two years) with the amount of content in two chapters (lifetime of twi years as well) and even then ESO wouldn't win this fight.
OMG, lol. So if you feel WoW does such a superior job with the quality of content and combat style) and feel they have a better model over all, why are you here?
Seriously. Either WoW is your main game or you are deliberately lying. Heck, WoW is so cartoonish and such old style sad combat systems along with being able to play on my PC with the GPU removed.
the fact still remains: WOW is doing a much better job at updating the game than ESO.
Holy mother of god!
Facepalm, quit thread and hitting head on the wall.
yeah I should have said "balancing the game", not "updating the game"0 -
Pr0Skygon✭✭✭✭✭Totally agree.But I LIKE Orange Juice... especially with Vodka or champagne... yum! And I drink scotch. Beer is the nectar of nitwits.Again... but then you'd have to play WoW or FF14. Ick.Lol people are really comparing WoW and FF14 with ESO? Lol!
They literally charge you for breathing there! Breathing!
Pay the ridiculous mandatory subscription, buy the base game + any expansion with almost a full game price, plus cash shops....
Come on, with all this money they charge they have to deliver the most top freaking mmo ever, not the old combat ridiculous boring game they have now.
And yet FF14 and WOW don't release overpriced DLCs every 3 months, and dumping loads of stuff into cash shop.
So if I'm saying "orange juice is cheaper and healthier than beer", then I must only drink orange juice and forbid to drink beer?
None sense.
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Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »The problem with that is that you'd have to play WoW or FF. Is it any wonder they do that?Seraphayel wrote: »
Considering Summerset, good story lines, good zone and a new trial. Yes, the content development team is doing great.
That's a joke isn't it? Other games offer 5 new zones and 10 dungeons in an expansion for $30 and not just one zone with a short trial.
I mean WoW and FFXIV got a lot more content in their content patches that are "free" than ZOS packed into Summerset.MasturCheef wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »
Considering Summerset, good story lines, good zone and a new trial. Yes, the content development team is doing great.
That's a joke isn't it? Other games offer 5 new zones and 10 dungeons in an expansion for $30 and not just one zone with a short trial.
I mean WoW and FFXIV got a lot more content in their content patches that are "free" than ZOS packed into Summerset.
YOU are joking, aren‘t you? WoW gets those updates every 3 years, ESO gets a chapter, a dungeon DLC, a story DLC and a random DLC which could be anything EVERY year. Ask WoW-players about their opinion on Blizzards update-cycles and their update downtimes of up to 1 year (in warlords of draenor after the last raid, siege of ogrimmar, released, players had to wait a year for the next content update)
Your argument is invalid.
Do you take anyone seriously that tried to point out that WoW does anything better than here? I do not. After all they are playing this game, not WoW.
If you deny that the content delivery and amount of content in ESO Chapters and patches is bigger than in WoW you're deliberately lying.
I mean we can just start comparing the last two WoW expansions + content patches afterwards to the last two ESO chapters + DLCs afterwards and it's obvious which game will win here. I mean we can compare one WoW expansion (because they have a lifetime of two years) with the amount of content in two chapters (lifetime of twi years as well) and even then ESO wouldn't win this fight.
OMG, lol. So if you feel WoW does such a superior job with the quality of content and combat style) and feel they have a better model over all, why are you here?
Seriously. Either WoW is your main game or you are deliberately lying. Heck, WoW is so cartoonish and such old style sad combat systems along with being able to play on my PC with the GPU removed.
What are "WOW is your main game, not ESO" and "WOW has better patches than ESO" have anything in common? It's like saying "Since you're saying that orange juice is healthier than beer, which means orange juice is your favorite, and you're forbid from drinking beer".
Whether he/she likes ESO or WOW more than the other, the fact still remains: WOW is doing a much better job at updating the game than ESO.
that's just like... your opinion, man. as someone with current active subscription to both... there is a reason why I give my actual money to ZoS and spend in game gold on WoW and honestly, if not for that option being available - would have no active subscription to WoW right now. and even so, this is not an option that everyone can take advantage of.
Blizzard doing better job then ZoS is subjective at best. and in my subjective opinion? ESO offers better value for the money. by FAR.
so called overpriced DLC's cost one month of subscription time for dungeon ones (provided you chose not to subscribe). resetting classes and making your players relearn them from scratch as well is regrind all the gear, because raising level cap is the only way they know how to do progression =/= better. remaking the same story over and over, becasue time travel and parallel universes or something =/= better remaking the same DUNGEONS =/= better. forcing you to the ground with a very VERY slow movement speed and serpentine arbitrarily unpassable terrain, that artificially makes the zone look bigger, even though fastest flight speed in WoW is roughly the same as sprinting on a horse in ESO (possibly slightly slower actualy) =/= betterdirty worthless casual.
Lois McMaster Bujold "A Civil Campaign"Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself. Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the ***0 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »The problem with that is that you'd have to play WoW or FF. Is it any wonder they do that?Seraphayel wrote: »
Considering Summerset, good story lines, good zone and a new trial. Yes, the content development team is doing great.
That's a joke isn't it? Other games offer 5 new zones and 10 dungeons in an expansion for $30 and not just one zone with a short trial.
I mean WoW and FFXIV got a lot more content in their content patches that are "free" than ZOS packed into Summerset.MasturCheef wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »
Considering Summerset, good story lines, good zone and a new trial. Yes, the content development team is doing great.
That's a joke isn't it? Other games offer 5 new zones and 10 dungeons in an expansion for $30 and not just one zone with a short trial.
I mean WoW and FFXIV got a lot more content in their content patches that are "free" than ZOS packed into Summerset.
YOU are joking, aren‘t you? WoW gets those updates every 3 years, ESO gets a chapter, a dungeon DLC, a story DLC and a random DLC which could be anything EVERY year. Ask WoW-players about their opinion on Blizzards update-cycles and their update downtimes of up to 1 year (in warlords of draenor after the last raid, siege of ogrimmar, released, players had to wait a year for the next content update)
Your argument is invalid.
Do you take anyone seriously that tried to point out that WoW does anything better than here? I do not. After all they are playing this game, not WoW.
If you deny that the content delivery and amount of content in ESO Chapters and patches is bigger than in WoW you're deliberately lying.
I mean we can just start comparing the last two WoW expansions + content patches afterwards to the last two ESO chapters + DLCs afterwards and it's obvious which game will win here. I mean we can compare one WoW expansion (because they have a lifetime of two years) with the amount of content in two chapters (lifetime of twi years as well) and even then ESO wouldn't win this fight.
OMG, lol. So if you feel WoW does such a superior job with the quality of content and combat style) and feel they have a better model over all, why are you here?
Seriously. Either WoW is your main game or you are deliberately lying. Heck, WoW is so cartoonish and such old style sad combat systems along with being able to play on my PC with the GPU removed.
I've been talking about a) amount of content and b) content delivery. I wasn't talking about quality or gameplay.
so what you are saying that you'd rather take quantity over quality?
not that the quantity is as significantly more as you claim it is, a lot of it is padding. I mean... world quests are just regular quests that you can repeat now etc.
No but the ESO quality isn't necessarily better than the WoW or FFXIV quality. The thing is both games deliver a lot more content and stuff than ESO does for almost the same price or way less (when it comes to expansions). That's my point.
and your point is subjective opinion at best and IMO, completely wrong.dirty worthless casual.
Lois McMaster Bujold "A Civil Campaign"Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself. Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the ***0 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Totally agree.Seraphayel wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »The problem with that is that you'd have to play WoW or FF. Is it any wonder they do that?Seraphayel wrote: »
Considering Summerset, good story lines, good zone and a new trial. Yes, the content development team is doing great.
That's a joke isn't it? Other games offer 5 new zones and 10 dungeons in an expansion for $30 and not just one zone with a short trial.
I mean WoW and FFXIV got a lot more content in their content patches that are "free" than ZOS packed into Summerset.MasturCheef wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »
Considering Summerset, good story lines, good zone and a new trial. Yes, the content development team is doing great.
That's a joke isn't it? Other games offer 5 new zones and 10 dungeons in an expansion for $30 and not just one zone with a short trial.
I mean WoW and FFXIV got a lot more content in their content patches that are "free" than ZOS packed into Summerset.
YOU are joking, aren‘t you? WoW gets those updates every 3 years, ESO gets a chapter, a dungeon DLC, a story DLC and a random DLC which could be anything EVERY year. Ask WoW-players about their opinion on Blizzards update-cycles and their update downtimes of up to 1 year (in warlords of draenor after the last raid, siege of ogrimmar, released, players had to wait a year for the next content update)
Your argument is invalid.
Do you take anyone seriously that tried to point out that WoW does anything better than here? I do not. After all they are playing this game, not WoW.
If you deny that the content delivery and amount of content in ESO Chapters and patches is bigger than in WoW you're deliberately lying.
I mean we can just start comparing the last two WoW expansions + content patches afterwards to the last two ESO chapters + DLCs afterwards and it's obvious which game will win here. I mean we can compare one WoW expansion (because they have a lifetime of two years) with the amount of content in two chapters (lifetime of twi years as well) and even then ESO wouldn't win this fight.
OMG, lol. So if you feel WoW does such a superior job with the quality of content and combat style) and feel they have a better model over all, why are you here?
Seriously. Either WoW is your main game or you are deliberately lying. Heck, WoW is so cartoonish and such old style sad combat systems along with being able to play on my PC with the GPU removed.
I've been talking about a) amount of content and b) content delivery. I wasn't talking about quality or gameplay.
so what you are saying that you'd rather take quantity over quality?
not that the quantity is as significantly more as you claim it is, a lot of it is padding. I mean... world quests are just regular quests that you can repeat now etc.
No but the ESO quality isn't necessarily better than the WoW or FFXIV quality. The thing is both games deliver a lot more content and stuff than ESO does for almost the same price or way less (when it comes to expansions). That's my point.
and your point is subjective opinion at best and IMO, completely wrong.
It is not subjective. I can do a comparison that clearly shows the amount of content in WoW expansions/patches and their prices vs. ESO expansions/patches and you'll clearly see how ESO will lose on that. It's a matter of fact.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -0 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭Again - How many years has WoW been out? How many users and subscribers does and has it had over that time? Come on. ESO has only been around about 5 years and only about 3 on all three consoles. Give them some time for goodness sake. The quality is there, if not executed perfectly and the prices aren't that bad. I'm pretty happy with it myself and I don't expect it to be the same as an MMO that has had as much practice as WoW.Seraphayel wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »The problem with that is that you'd have to play WoW or FF. Is it any wonder they do that?Seraphayel wrote: »
Considering Summerset, good story lines, good zone and a new trial. Yes, the content development team is doing great.
That's a joke isn't it? Other games offer 5 new zones and 10 dungeons in an expansion for $30 and not just one zone with a short trial.
I mean WoW and FFXIV got a lot more content in their content patches that are "free" than ZOS packed into Summerset.MasturCheef wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »
Considering Summerset, good story lines, good zone and a new trial. Yes, the content development team is doing great.
That's a joke isn't it? Other games offer 5 new zones and 10 dungeons in an expansion for $30 and not just one zone with a short trial.
I mean WoW and FFXIV got a lot more content in their content patches that are "free" than ZOS packed into Summerset.
YOU are joking, aren‘t you? WoW gets those updates every 3 years, ESO gets a chapter, a dungeon DLC, a story DLC and a random DLC which could be anything EVERY year. Ask WoW-players about their opinion on Blizzards update-cycles and their update downtimes of up to 1 year (in warlords of draenor after the last raid, siege of ogrimmar, released, players had to wait a year for the next content update)
Your argument is invalid.
Do you take anyone seriously that tried to point out that WoW does anything better than here? I do not. After all they are playing this game, not WoW.
If you deny that the content delivery and amount of content in ESO Chapters and patches is bigger than in WoW you're deliberately lying.
I mean we can just start comparing the last two WoW expansions + content patches afterwards to the last two ESO chapters + DLCs afterwards and it's obvious which game will win here. I mean we can compare one WoW expansion (because they have a lifetime of two years) with the amount of content in two chapters (lifetime of twi years as well) and even then ESO wouldn't win this fight.
OMG, lol. So if you feel WoW does such a superior job with the quality of content and combat style) and feel they have a better model over all, why are you here?
Seriously. Either WoW is your main game or you are deliberately lying. Heck, WoW is so cartoonish and such old style sad combat systems along with being able to play on my PC with the GPU removed.
I've been talking about a) amount of content and b) content delivery. I wasn't talking about quality or gameplay.
so what you are saying that you'd rather take quantity over quality?
not that the quantity is as significantly more as you claim it is, a lot of it is padding. I mean... world quests are just regular quests that you can repeat now etc.
No but the ESO quality isn't necessarily better than the WoW or FFXIV quality. The thing is both games deliver a lot more content and stuff than ESO does for almost the same price or way less (when it comes to expansions). That's my point.
and your point is subjective opinion at best and IMO, completely wrong.
It is not subjective. I can do a comparison that clearly shows the amount of content in WoW expansions/patches and their prices vs. ESO expansions/patches and you'll clearly see how ESO will lose on that. It's a matter of fact.
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✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »Sure they are. They're selling you 2 dungeons for $30. Not even the worst Asian F2P game does that. And guess what, they're so generous and giving us TWO dungeon DLCs this year so we can even have more fun. Isn't that great?
dungeon DLC's are typically 1500 crowns, or $15. aka one month of subscription. collector's edition version that's $30 - comes with mount and pet. you are paying extra for mount and pet. its not a difficult concept.
It is even cheaper.
If someone is subbing, they don't need to buy it. If they aren't subbing, they aren't going to buy 1500 crown packs because that is just inefficient.0 -
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✭✭✭I see your point, and I respect that, but I can't say I'm 100 on itI imagine the cosmetic cash shop stuff doesn’t go through the same QA process as the playable content and balance changes. That stuff probably comes out faster because it’s not as rigorous to get it right.0