ZOS is updating Crown Store WAY FASTER than updating the game itself.
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✭✭✭✭✭I see your point, and I respect that, but I can't say I'm 100 on itThe thing I mostly disagree on is that having to adapt to medium scale pvp changes every month would be pretty annoying to deal with. Things kind of need to settle in first before you can judge and act on it with a balance patch in pvp, but oh please don't let this stop you from monthly bug fixes!This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.0 -
MasturCheef✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »
Considering Summerset, good story lines, good zone and a new trial. Yes, the content development team is doing great.
That's a joke isn't it? Other games offer 5 new zones and 10 dungeons in an expansion for $30 and not just one zone with a short trial.
I mean WoW and FFXIV got a lot more content in their content patches that are "free" than ZOS packed into Summerset.
YOU are joking, aren‘t you? WoW gets those updates every 3 years, ESO gets a chapter, a dungeon DLC, a story DLC and a random DLC which could be anything EVERY year. Ask WoW-players about their opinion on Blizzards update-cycles and their update downtimes of up to 1 year (in warlords of draenor after the last raid, siege of ogrimmar, released, players had to wait a year for the next content update)
Your argument is invalid.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭As someone who keeps track of the data mining, I find that the Crown Store updates at an incredibly slow rate. There's cool stuff that was mined over a year ago, which still isn't on live.
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✭✭Totally agree.starkerealm wrote: »As someone who keeps track of the data mining, I find that the Crown Store updates at an incredibly slow rate. There's cool stuff that was mined over a year ago, which still isn't on live.
Which just goes to show content of all types in this game is too slow.. when customers start saying even the cash shop has nothing to buy, i think we should be worried..
a lot.. drip fed content just makes customers leave.MasturCheef wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »
Considering Summerset, good story lines, good zone and a new trial. Yes, the content development team is doing great.
That's a joke isn't it? Other games offer 5 new zones and 10 dungeons in an expansion for $30 and not just one zone with a short trial.
I mean WoW and FFXIV got a lot more content in their content patches that are "free" than ZOS packed into Summerset.
YOU are joking, aren‘t you? WoW gets those updates every 3 years, ESO gets a chapter, a dungeon DLC, a story DLC and a random DLC which could be anything EVERY year. Ask WoW-players about their opinion on Blizzards update-cycles and their update downtimes of up to 1 year (in warlords of draenor after the last raid, siege of ogrimmar, released, players had to wait a year for the next content update)
Your argument is invalid.
If the new content lasted three years i'd be great with 3 yearly updates, but no here the content is padded out grind that lasts mostly a month at best and is mostly loading screens.. and fetch quests.Edited by DanteYoda on June 18, 2018 11:46PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »As someone who keeps track of the data mining, I find that the Crown Store updates at an incredibly slow rate. There's cool stuff that was mined over a year ago, which still isn't on live.
Which just goes to show content of all types in this game is too slow.. when customers start saying even the cash shop has nothing to buy, i think we should be worried..
a lot.. drip fed content just makes customers leave.
I don't think it's nothing to buy, just, I'm looking for a few specific pieces I know are in the pipeline, and waiting. If it wasn't a timed thing, I probably would have picked up the Nightmare Senche Lion, because that one looked snazzy. But, yeah, there is stuff, I'm saving up for a few goodies.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Totally agree.MasturCheef wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »
Considering Summerset, good story lines, good zone and a new trial. Yes, the content development team is doing great.
That's a joke isn't it? Other games offer 5 new zones and 10 dungeons in an expansion for $30 and not just one zone with a short trial.
I mean WoW and FFXIV got a lot more content in their content patches that are "free" than ZOS packed into Summerset.
YOU are joking, aren‘t you? WoW gets those updates every 3 years, ESO gets a chapter, a dungeon DLC, a story DLC and a random DLC which could be anything EVERY year. Ask WoW-players about their opinion on Blizzards update-cycles and their update downtimes of up to 1 year (in warlords of draenor after the last raid, siege of ogrimmar, released, players had to wait a year for the next content update)
Your argument is invalid.
This is wrong on nearly every level. You basically have no clue what you're talking about. I am playing both games and I am loving both games for different reasons but there's absolutely no chance that ESO gets more content or has a better content delivery than WoW or FFXIV.
WoW gets a massive expansion every two years. A WoW expansion is like 4-5 ESO chapters with a lot of new dungeons attached to it. And more than just one trial. On top of that you get several big content patches a year. In 2017 alone WoW got four new playable zones, one dungeon and three raids through content patches (all of that within less than 10 months).
There are content downtimes after an expansion cycle ends and they're pretty bad but WoW still gets two or three times the content ESO does. And we're not even comparing expansions to chapters because in this case ESO would lose hard.Edited by Seraphayel on June 19, 2018 4:16AMPS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The problem with that is that you'd have to play WoW or FF. Is it any wonder they do that?Seraphayel wrote: »
Considering Summerset, good story lines, good zone and a new trial. Yes, the content development team is doing great.
That's a joke isn't it? Other games offer 5 new zones and 10 dungeons in an expansion for $30 and not just one zone with a short trial.
I mean WoW and FFXIV got a lot more content in their content patches that are "free" than ZOS packed into Summerset.MasturCheef wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »
Considering Summerset, good story lines, good zone and a new trial. Yes, the content development team is doing great.
That's a joke isn't it? Other games offer 5 new zones and 10 dungeons in an expansion for $30 and not just one zone with a short trial.
I mean WoW and FFXIV got a lot more content in their content patches that are "free" than ZOS packed into Summerset.
YOU are joking, aren‘t you? WoW gets those updates every 3 years, ESO gets a chapter, a dungeon DLC, a story DLC and a random DLC which could be anything EVERY year. Ask WoW-players about their opinion on Blizzards update-cycles and their update downtimes of up to 1 year (in warlords of draenor after the last raid, siege of ogrimmar, released, players had to wait a year for the next content update)
Your argument is invalid.
Do you take anyone seriously that tried to point out that WoW does anything better than here? I do not. After all they are playing this game, not WoW.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Totally agree.The problem with that is that you'd have to play WoW or FF. Is it any wonder they do that?Seraphayel wrote: »
Considering Summerset, good story lines, good zone and a new trial. Yes, the content development team is doing great.
That's a joke isn't it? Other games offer 5 new zones and 10 dungeons in an expansion for $30 and not just one zone with a short trial.
I mean WoW and FFXIV got a lot more content in their content patches that are "free" than ZOS packed into Summerset.MasturCheef wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »
Considering Summerset, good story lines, good zone and a new trial. Yes, the content development team is doing great.
That's a joke isn't it? Other games offer 5 new zones and 10 dungeons in an expansion for $30 and not just one zone with a short trial.
I mean WoW and FFXIV got a lot more content in their content patches that are "free" than ZOS packed into Summerset.
YOU are joking, aren‘t you? WoW gets those updates every 3 years, ESO gets a chapter, a dungeon DLC, a story DLC and a random DLC which could be anything EVERY year. Ask WoW-players about their opinion on Blizzards update-cycles and their update downtimes of up to 1 year (in warlords of draenor after the last raid, siege of ogrimmar, released, players had to wait a year for the next content update)
Your argument is invalid.
Do you take anyone seriously that tried to point out that WoW does anything better than here? I do not. After all they are playing this game, not WoW.
If you deny that the content delivery and amount of content in ESO Chapters and patches is bigger than in WoW you're deliberately lying.
I mean we can just start comparing the last two WoW expansions + content patches afterwards to the last two ESO chapters + DLCs afterwards and it's obvious which game will win here. I mean we can compare one WoW expansion (because they have a lifetime of two years) with the amount of content in two chapters (lifetime of twi years as well) and even then ESO wouldn't win this fight.Edited by Seraphayel on June 19, 2018 4:20AMPS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »The problem with that is that you'd have to play WoW or FF. Is it any wonder they do that?Seraphayel wrote: »
Considering Summerset, good story lines, good zone and a new trial. Yes, the content development team is doing great.
That's a joke isn't it? Other games offer 5 new zones and 10 dungeons in an expansion for $30 and not just one zone with a short trial.
I mean WoW and FFXIV got a lot more content in their content patches that are "free" than ZOS packed into Summerset.MasturCheef wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »
Considering Summerset, good story lines, good zone and a new trial. Yes, the content development team is doing great.
That's a joke isn't it? Other games offer 5 new zones and 10 dungeons in an expansion for $30 and not just one zone with a short trial.
I mean WoW and FFXIV got a lot more content in their content patches that are "free" than ZOS packed into Summerset.
YOU are joking, aren‘t you? WoW gets those updates every 3 years, ESO gets a chapter, a dungeon DLC, a story DLC and a random DLC which could be anything EVERY year. Ask WoW-players about their opinion on Blizzards update-cycles and their update downtimes of up to 1 year (in warlords of draenor after the last raid, siege of ogrimmar, released, players had to wait a year for the next content update)
Your argument is invalid.
Do you take anyone seriously that tried to point out that WoW does anything better than here? I do not. After all they are playing this game, not WoW.
If you deny that the content delivery and amount of content in ESO Chapters and patches is bigger than in WoW you're deliberately lying.
I mean we can just start comparing the last two WoW expansions + content patches afterwards to the last two ESO chapters + DLCs afterwards and it's obvious which game will win here. I mean we can compare one WoW expansion (because they have a lifetime of two years) with the amount of content in two chapters (lifetime of twi years as well) and even then ESO wouldn't win this fight.
OMG, lol. So if you feel WoW does such a superior job with the quality of content and combat style) and feel they have a better model over all, why are you here?
Seriously. Either WoW is your main game or you are deliberately lying. Heck, WoW is so cartoonish and such old style sad combat systems along with being able to play on my PC with the GPU removed.Edited by idk on June 19, 2018 4:35AM0 -
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✭✭✭Totally agree.MasturCheef wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »
Considering Summerset, good story lines, good zone and a new trial. Yes, the content development team is doing great.
That's a joke isn't it? Other games offer 5 new zones and 10 dungeons in an expansion for $30 and not just one zone with a short trial.
I mean WoW and FFXIV got a lot more content in their content patches that are "free" than ZOS packed into Summerset.
YOU are joking, aren‘t you? WoW gets those updates every 3 years, ESO gets a chapter, a dungeon DLC, a story DLC and a random DLC which could be anything EVERY year. Ask WoW-players about their opinion on Blizzards update-cycles and their update downtimes of up to 1 year (in warlords of draenor after the last raid, siege of ogrimmar, released, players had to wait a year for the next content update)
Your argument is invalid.
And WoW expansions add 900% more content than "Chapters" tbh, not saying its not good content with ESO chapters just saying they could really do more with them0 -
Gorilla✭✭✭Some valid points. Others, not so much.A trite, unfounded set of claims on an emotive topic -- the Crown Store. We are dumber for reading the thread.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Totally agree.Seraphayel wrote: »The problem with that is that you'd have to play WoW or FF. Is it any wonder they do that?Seraphayel wrote: »
Considering Summerset, good story lines, good zone and a new trial. Yes, the content development team is doing great.
That's a joke isn't it? Other games offer 5 new zones and 10 dungeons in an expansion for $30 and not just one zone with a short trial.
I mean WoW and FFXIV got a lot more content in their content patches that are "free" than ZOS packed into Summerset.MasturCheef wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »
Considering Summerset, good story lines, good zone and a new trial. Yes, the content development team is doing great.
That's a joke isn't it? Other games offer 5 new zones and 10 dungeons in an expansion for $30 and not just one zone with a short trial.
I mean WoW and FFXIV got a lot more content in their content patches that are "free" than ZOS packed into Summerset.
YOU are joking, aren‘t you? WoW gets those updates every 3 years, ESO gets a chapter, a dungeon DLC, a story DLC and a random DLC which could be anything EVERY year. Ask WoW-players about their opinion on Blizzards update-cycles and their update downtimes of up to 1 year (in warlords of draenor after the last raid, siege of ogrimmar, released, players had to wait a year for the next content update)
Your argument is invalid.
Do you take anyone seriously that tried to point out that WoW does anything better than here? I do not. After all they are playing this game, not WoW.
If you deny that the content delivery and amount of content in ESO Chapters and patches is bigger than in WoW you're deliberately lying.
I mean we can just start comparing the last two WoW expansions + content patches afterwards to the last two ESO chapters + DLCs afterwards and it's obvious which game will win here. I mean we can compare one WoW expansion (because they have a lifetime of two years) with the amount of content in two chapters (lifetime of twi years as well) and even then ESO wouldn't win this fight.
OMG, lol. So if you feel WoW does such a superior job with the quality of content and combat style) and feel they have a better model over all, why are you here?
Seriously. Either WoW is your main game or you are deliberately lying. Heck, WoW is so cartoonish and such old style sad combat systems along with being able to play on my PC with the GPU removed.
I've been talking about a) amount of content and b) content delivery. I wasn't talking about quality or gameplay.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -0 -
AuldWolf✭✭✭✭✭What a poorly conceived poll. Three 'yes' options, a vague 'maybe' that's also actually a 'yes,' and no 'no' options.
This poll isn't going to tell us anything. For the record, I don't agree with the OP on any of their points.0 -
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✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Because "balancing" combat is as quick and simple as a single artist taking an outfit that's already in the game on NPCs, and sticking it into the "sell as a costume" framework that they've already used dozens of times. Right.
Or, for a little more work, taking one of the standard mount bodies and skeletons, and making it rocky/blue, glowy/orange, or jello/green. Again, a task for a single artist that has been done dozens of times by now.
As opposed to "balancing combat", an endless & hopeless task that has absorbed the effort of MMO dev teams as long as the genre has existed.
Combat Balancing is a pipe dream. It will NEVER happen. EVER. Get used to it. They can't balance PvP and PvE because they are two fundamentally different systems - Xv1 vs 1v1 or 1vX. You will NEVER have a top PvE build that is also a top PvP build or vice versa because PvE they are really two different games.
Just compare Alcasts PvE vs PvP builds - COMPLETELY different sets, most completely different skills (or morphs), different mundus stones, different enchantments on armor/weapons, etc.
It's simply impossible for them to do without a COMPLETE revamp of the system - I mean from the ground up - which will NEVER happen.
So, the most we can hope for is an ebb and flow of nerfs and enhancements as they constantly take nerf meta and buff something that doesn't really need to be buffed to create new meta.1 -
Odnoc✭✭✭✭Totally agree.Yes, they do, but there are reasons why. Below are just a few possible reasons, which are pretty valid reasons.
1. Different departments
2. Different bosses
3. Different requirements
4. To balance you need actual data, not forum qq's, 3 months worth of data seems fair imo
5. Crown store brings in money, class balance, not so much, could in fact do the opposite when people rage quit because their class was nerfed
6. Doing art is more fun than crunching numbers
7. Different "types" of people work on the different teams, likely the people doing the balancing are highly analytical "types" which will inherently lead to different productivity rates (not speculation, something any organization that uses a strength-based approach could tell you)
8. Balancing requires a high degree of accuracy. Not saying artists don't work hard, but if art is slightly off, no big deal, if numbers are slightly off, could result in someone being called into work at night.
So yeah, it happens. My opinion, there will never be perfect balance, that is a problem inherent to MMORPG's, If I valued balance over content, I wouldn't be playing an MMORPG because of that, I would be playing a FPS or something.
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EölMPK✭✭✭I see your point, and I respect that, but I can't say I'm 100 on itLol people are really comparing WoW and FF14 with ESO? Lol!
They literally charge you for breathing there! Breathing!
Pay the ridiculous mandatory subscription, buy the base game + any expansion with almost a full game price, plus cash shops....
Come on, with all this money they charge they have to deliver the most top freaking mmo ever, not the old combat ridiculous boring game they have now.Edited by EölMPK on June 19, 2018 1:43PMEöl[MPK]
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Grungebr - Altmer magicka templar
Eölbr - Dunmer magicka necro
Drizztbr - Khajiit stamina nb"In my thoughts and in my dreams, they're always in my mind
These songs of hobbits, dwarves and men, and elves
Come close your eyes, you can see them too..."0 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »The problem with that is that you'd have to play WoW or FF. Is it any wonder they do that?Seraphayel wrote: »
Considering Summerset, good story lines, good zone and a new trial. Yes, the content development team is doing great.
That's a joke isn't it? Other games offer 5 new zones and 10 dungeons in an expansion for $30 and not just one zone with a short trial.
I mean WoW and FFXIV got a lot more content in their content patches that are "free" than ZOS packed into Summerset.MasturCheef wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »
Considering Summerset, good story lines, good zone and a new trial. Yes, the content development team is doing great.
That's a joke isn't it? Other games offer 5 new zones and 10 dungeons in an expansion for $30 and not just one zone with a short trial.
I mean WoW and FFXIV got a lot more content in their content patches that are "free" than ZOS packed into Summerset.
YOU are joking, aren‘t you? WoW gets those updates every 3 years, ESO gets a chapter, a dungeon DLC, a story DLC and a random DLC which could be anything EVERY year. Ask WoW-players about their opinion on Blizzards update-cycles and their update downtimes of up to 1 year (in warlords of draenor after the last raid, siege of ogrimmar, released, players had to wait a year for the next content update)
Your argument is invalid.
Do you take anyone seriously that tried to point out that WoW does anything better than here? I do not. After all they are playing this game, not WoW.
If you deny that the content delivery and amount of content in ESO Chapters and patches is bigger than in WoW you're deliberately lying.
I mean we can just start comparing the last two WoW expansions + content patches afterwards to the last two ESO chapters + DLCs afterwards and it's obvious which game will win here. I mean we can compare one WoW expansion (because they have a lifetime of two years) with the amount of content in two chapters (lifetime of twi years as well) and even then ESO wouldn't win this fight.
OMG, lol. So if you feel WoW does such a superior job with the quality of content and combat style) and feel they have a better model over all, why are you here?
Seriously. Either WoW is your main game or you are deliberately lying. Heck, WoW is so cartoonish and such old style sad combat systems along with being able to play on my PC with the GPU removed.
I've been talking about a) amount of content and b) content delivery. I wasn't talking about quality or gameplay.
so what you are saying that you'd rather take quantity over quality?
not that the quantity is as significantly more as you claim it is, a lot of it is padding. I mean... world quests are just regular quests that you can repeat now etc.Edited by Linaleah on June 19, 2018 2:34PMdirty worthless casual.
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Pr0Skygon✭✭✭✭✭Totally agree.The thing I mostly disagree on is that having to adapt to medium scale pvp changes every month would be pretty annoying to deal with. Things kind of need to settle in first before you can judge and act on it with a balance patch in pvp, but oh please don't let this stop you from monthly bug fixes!
Quantity aside, even the quality of every single patches are uneven. Some are ok, and some are just terrible, to the point they have little to no impact on the game.0 -
Pr0Skygon✭✭✭✭✭Totally agree.Lol people are really comparing WoW and FF14 with ESO? Lol!
They literally charge you for breathing there! Breathing!
Pay the ridiculous mandatory subscription, buy the base game + any expansion with almost a full game price, plus cash shops....
Come on, with all this money they charge they have to deliver the most top freaking mmo ever, not the old combat ridiculous boring game they have now.
And yet FF14 and WOW don't release overpriced DLCs every 3 months, and dumping loads of stuff into cash shop.0 -
EölMPK✭✭✭I see your point, and I respect that, but I can't say I'm 100 on itLol people are really comparing WoW and FF14 with ESO? Lol!
They literally charge you for breathing there! Breathing!
Pay the ridiculous mandatory subscription, buy the base game + any expansion with almost a full game price, plus cash shops....
Come on, with all this money they charge they have to deliver the most top freaking mmo ever, not the old combat ridiculous boring game they have now.
And yet FF14 and WOW don't release overpriced DLCs every 3 months, and dumping loads of stuff into cash shop.
There are no loads of stuff in the cash shop, just a normal cash shop, waaaaaaaayyyyy better than WoW's cash shop I.E., where you can buy a scroll that makes your lvl 1 char into max level.
FF14 and WoW are overpriced by nature, whats your point here? Youre not even forced to buy any dlc in ESO, try to play those other games without the expansions... lol
Stop trolling please, you failed in every single argument you brought in this thread.Eöl[MPK]
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Eölbr - Dunmer magicka necro
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Pr0Skygon✭✭✭✭✭Totally agree.Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Because "balancing" combat is as quick and simple as a single artist taking an outfit that's already in the game on NPCs, and sticking it into the "sell as a costume" framework that they've already used dozens of times. Right.
Or, for a little more work, taking one of the standard mount bodies and skeletons, and making it rocky/blue, glowy/orange, or jello/green. Again, a task for a single artist that has been done dozens of times by now.
As opposed to "balancing combat", an endless & hopeless task that has absorbed the effort of MMO dev teams as long as the genre has existed.
Combat Balancing is a pipe dream. It will NEVER happen. EVER. Get used to it. They can't balance PvP and PvE because they are two fundamentally different systems - Xv1 vs 1v1 or 1vX. You will NEVER have a top PvE build that is also a top PvP build or vice versa because PvE they are really two different games.
Just compare Alcasts PvE vs PvP builds - COMPLETELY different sets, most completely different skills (or morphs), different mundus stones, different enchantments on armor/weapons, etc.
It's simply impossible for them to do without a COMPLETE revamp of the system - I mean from the ground up - which will NEVER happen.
So, the most we can hope for is an ebb and flow of nerfs and enhancements as they constantly take nerf meta and buff something that doesn't really need to be buffed to create new meta.
"Combat Balancing is a pipe dream. It will NEVER happen, so let's stop trying, and dumping as much MTX into the game as possible instead". Man, you'll a bad game devs.
And to get into a different perspective, even ZOS knows that they're doing a pretty terrible job with balancing the game, and that's why they've just announced the class rep meeting, which is an A+ for commitment.0 -
Pr0Skygon✭✭✭✭✭Totally agree.What a poorly conceived poll. Three 'yes' options, a vague 'maybe' that's also actually a 'yes,' and no 'no' options.
This poll isn't going to tell us anything. For the record, I don't agree with the OP on any of their points.
yeah i know, my last 2 polls got bugged away, and instead, the forum duplicated my post, twice
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✭Again... but then you'd have to play WoW or FF14. Ick.Lol people are really comparing WoW and FF14 with ESO? Lol!
They literally charge you for breathing there! Breathing!
Pay the ridiculous mandatory subscription, buy the base game + any expansion with almost a full game price, plus cash shops....
Come on, with all this money they charge they have to deliver the most top freaking mmo ever, not the old combat ridiculous boring game they have now.
And yet FF14 and WOW don't release overpriced DLCs every 3 months, and dumping loads of stuff into cash shop.
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Pr0Skygon✭✭✭✭✭Totally agree.Seraphayel wrote: »The problem with that is that you'd have to play WoW or FF. Is it any wonder they do that?Seraphayel wrote: »
Considering Summerset, good story lines, good zone and a new trial. Yes, the content development team is doing great.
That's a joke isn't it? Other games offer 5 new zones and 10 dungeons in an expansion for $30 and not just one zone with a short trial.
I mean WoW and FFXIV got a lot more content in their content patches that are "free" than ZOS packed into Summerset.MasturCheef wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »
Considering Summerset, good story lines, good zone and a new trial. Yes, the content development team is doing great.
That's a joke isn't it? Other games offer 5 new zones and 10 dungeons in an expansion for $30 and not just one zone with a short trial.
I mean WoW and FFXIV got a lot more content in their content patches that are "free" than ZOS packed into Summerset.
YOU are joking, aren‘t you? WoW gets those updates every 3 years, ESO gets a chapter, a dungeon DLC, a story DLC and a random DLC which could be anything EVERY year. Ask WoW-players about their opinion on Blizzards update-cycles and their update downtimes of up to 1 year (in warlords of draenor after the last raid, siege of ogrimmar, released, players had to wait a year for the next content update)
Your argument is invalid.
Do you take anyone seriously that tried to point out that WoW does anything better than here? I do not. After all they are playing this game, not WoW.
If you deny that the content delivery and amount of content in ESO Chapters and patches is bigger than in WoW you're deliberately lying.
I mean we can just start comparing the last two WoW expansions + content patches afterwards to the last two ESO chapters + DLCs afterwards and it's obvious which game will win here. I mean we can compare one WoW expansion (because they have a lifetime of two years) with the amount of content in two chapters (lifetime of twi years as well) and even then ESO wouldn't win this fight.
OMG, lol. So if you feel WoW does such a superior job with the quality of content and combat style) and feel they have a better model over all, why are you here?
Seriously. Either WoW is your main game or you are deliberately lying. Heck, WoW is so cartoonish and such old style sad combat systems along with being able to play on my PC with the GPU removed.
What are "WOW is your main game, not ESO" and "WOW has better patches than ESO" have anything in common? It's like saying "Since you're saying that orange juice is healthier than beer, which means orange juice is your favorite, and you're forbid from drinking beer".
Whether he/she likes ESO or WOW more than the other, the fact still remains: WOW is doing a much better job at balancing the game than ESO.Edited by Pr0Skygon on June 19, 2018 3:20PM0 -
boggo✭✭✭1 expansion for WOW costs 60$, with contents as many as 2 years worth of ESO DLCs + chapters. While in 2 years 2 time, it'd costs you close to, or even more than 200$ to get all of the DLCs.
And let's be real, most vet players all have ESO+, since it's truly is a handicap to not having it.
The downside to it: You‘d have to play WOW.2 -
Pr0Skygon✭✭✭✭✭Totally agree.Again... but then you'd have to play WoW or FF14. Ick.Lol people are really comparing WoW and FF14 with ESO? Lol!
They literally charge you for breathing there! Breathing!
Pay the ridiculous mandatory subscription, buy the base game + any expansion with almost a full game price, plus cash shops....
Come on, with all this money they charge they have to deliver the most top freaking mmo ever, not the old combat ridiculous boring game they have now.
And yet FF14 and WOW don't release overpriced DLCs every 3 months, and dumping loads of stuff into cash shop.
So if I'm saying "orange juice is cheaper and healthier than beer", then I must only drink orange juice and forbid to drink beer?
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✭Well, sure, but WoW has been out for what, 28,714 years now? They've had the time to get it right. Even I wasn't too bright at 5 and I pride myself on my brightness. Not my intelligence, just that I glow in the dark.
Seraphayel wrote: »The problem with that is that you'd have to play WoW or FF. Is it any wonder they do that?Seraphayel wrote: »
Considering Summerset, good story lines, good zone and a new trial. Yes, the content development team is doing great.
That's a joke isn't it? Other games offer 5 new zones and 10 dungeons in an expansion for $30 and not just one zone with a short trial.
I mean WoW and FFXIV got a lot more content in their content patches that are "free" than ZOS packed into Summerset.MasturCheef wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »
Considering Summerset, good story lines, good zone and a new trial. Yes, the content development team is doing great.
That's a joke isn't it? Other games offer 5 new zones and 10 dungeons in an expansion for $30 and not just one zone with a short trial.
I mean WoW and FFXIV got a lot more content in their content patches that are "free" than ZOS packed into Summerset.
YOU are joking, aren‘t you? WoW gets those updates every 3 years, ESO gets a chapter, a dungeon DLC, a story DLC and a random DLC which could be anything EVERY year. Ask WoW-players about their opinion on Blizzards update-cycles and their update downtimes of up to 1 year (in warlords of draenor after the last raid, siege of ogrimmar, released, players had to wait a year for the next content update)
Your argument is invalid.
Do you take anyone seriously that tried to point out that WoW does anything better than here? I do not. After all they are playing this game, not WoW.
If you deny that the content delivery and amount of content in ESO Chapters and patches is bigger than in WoW you're deliberately lying.
I mean we can just start comparing the last two WoW expansions + content patches afterwards to the last two ESO chapters + DLCs afterwards and it's obvious which game will win here. I mean we can compare one WoW expansion (because they have a lifetime of two years) with the amount of content in two chapters (lifetime of twi years as well) and even then ESO wouldn't win this fight.
OMG, lol. So if you feel WoW does such a superior job with the quality of content and combat style) and feel they have a better model over all, why are you here?
Seriously. Either WoW is your main game or you are deliberately lying. Heck, WoW is so cartoonish and such old style sad combat systems along with being able to play on my PC with the GPU removed.
What are "WOW is your main game, not ESO" and "WOW has better patches than ESO" have anything in common? It's like saying "Since you're saying that orange juice is healthier than beer, which means orange juice is your favorite, and you're forbid from drinking beer".
Whether he/she likes ESO or WOW more than the other, the fact still remains: WOW is doing a much better job at updating the game than ESO.
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EölMPK✭✭✭I see your point, and I respect that, but I can't say I'm 100 on itSeraphayel wrote: »The problem with that is that you'd have to play WoW or FF. Is it any wonder they do that?Seraphayel wrote: »
Considering Summerset, good story lines, good zone and a new trial. Yes, the content development team is doing great.
That's a joke isn't it? Other games offer 5 new zones and 10 dungeons in an expansion for $30 and not just one zone with a short trial.
I mean WoW and FFXIV got a lot more content in their content patches that are "free" than ZOS packed into Summerset.MasturCheef wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »
Considering Summerset, good story lines, good zone and a new trial. Yes, the content development team is doing great.
That's a joke isn't it? Other games offer 5 new zones and 10 dungeons in an expansion for $30 and not just one zone with a short trial.
I mean WoW and FFXIV got a lot more content in their content patches that are "free" than ZOS packed into Summerset.
YOU are joking, aren‘t you? WoW gets those updates every 3 years, ESO gets a chapter, a dungeon DLC, a story DLC and a random DLC which could be anything EVERY year. Ask WoW-players about their opinion on Blizzards update-cycles and their update downtimes of up to 1 year (in warlords of draenor after the last raid, siege of ogrimmar, released, players had to wait a year for the next content update)
Your argument is invalid.
Do you take anyone seriously that tried to point out that WoW does anything better than here? I do not. After all they are playing this game, not WoW.
If you deny that the content delivery and amount of content in ESO Chapters and patches is bigger than in WoW you're deliberately lying.
I mean we can just start comparing the last two WoW expansions + content patches afterwards to the last two ESO chapters + DLCs afterwards and it's obvious which game will win here. I mean we can compare one WoW expansion (because they have a lifetime of two years) with the amount of content in two chapters (lifetime of twi years as well) and even then ESO wouldn't win this fight.
OMG, lol. So if you feel WoW does such a superior job with the quality of content and combat style) and feel they have a better model over all, why are you here?
Seriously. Either WoW is your main game or you are deliberately lying. Heck, WoW is so cartoonish and such old style sad combat systems along with being able to play on my PC with the GPU removed.
the fact still remains: WOW is doing a much better job at updating the game than ESO.
Holy mother of god!
Facepalm, quit thread and hitting head on the wall.
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✭✭✭✭✭Totally agree.Seraphayel wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »The problem with that is that you'd have to play WoW or FF. Is it any wonder they do that?Seraphayel wrote: »
Considering Summerset, good story lines, good zone and a new trial. Yes, the content development team is doing great.
That's a joke isn't it? Other games offer 5 new zones and 10 dungeons in an expansion for $30 and not just one zone with a short trial.
I mean WoW and FFXIV got a lot more content in their content patches that are "free" than ZOS packed into Summerset.MasturCheef wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »
Considering Summerset, good story lines, good zone and a new trial. Yes, the content development team is doing great.
That's a joke isn't it? Other games offer 5 new zones and 10 dungeons in an expansion for $30 and not just one zone with a short trial.
I mean WoW and FFXIV got a lot more content in their content patches that are "free" than ZOS packed into Summerset.
YOU are joking, aren‘t you? WoW gets those updates every 3 years, ESO gets a chapter, a dungeon DLC, a story DLC and a random DLC which could be anything EVERY year. Ask WoW-players about their opinion on Blizzards update-cycles and their update downtimes of up to 1 year (in warlords of draenor after the last raid, siege of ogrimmar, released, players had to wait a year for the next content update)
Your argument is invalid.
Do you take anyone seriously that tried to point out that WoW does anything better than here? I do not. After all they are playing this game, not WoW.
If you deny that the content delivery and amount of content in ESO Chapters and patches is bigger than in WoW you're deliberately lying.
I mean we can just start comparing the last two WoW expansions + content patches afterwards to the last two ESO chapters + DLCs afterwards and it's obvious which game will win here. I mean we can compare one WoW expansion (because they have a lifetime of two years) with the amount of content in two chapters (lifetime of twi years as well) and even then ESO wouldn't win this fight.
OMG, lol. So if you feel WoW does such a superior job with the quality of content and combat style) and feel they have a better model over all, why are you here?
Seriously. Either WoW is your main game or you are deliberately lying. Heck, WoW is so cartoonish and such old style sad combat systems along with being able to play on my PC with the GPU removed.
I've been talking about a) amount of content and b) content delivery. I wasn't talking about quality or gameplay.
so what you are saying that you'd rather take quantity over quality?
not that the quantity is as significantly more as you claim it is, a lot of it is padding. I mean... world quests are just regular quests that you can repeat now etc.
No but the ESO quality isn't necessarily better than the WoW or FFXIV quality. The thing is both games deliver a lot more content and stuff than ESO does for almost the same price or way less (when it comes to expansions). That's my point.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -1