How much confidence do you have in class reps ?

Liofa

wozborne wrote: »

I know they’re all great players with tons of experience, but the fact that they’re all PC players, predominantly PCEU, worries me greatly that they won’t give such considerations as a console player would.

5 EU and 7 NA.

About console, as you see, we didn't include anything that is PC only like addons. We actually did discuss about console only things like pet control and how they can't be directed to enemy except heavy attacks. This was thanks to people who joined the Discords and let us know about the differences in console and how frustrating they are. Anyway, you can find the part I mentioned under Warden section of the notes. That may seem like only about Bear but we made sure to let them know that all pets are having this problem including item set pets like Sentinel and many others.

Phelaen

0% It's politics

Eve online does this for years now and if you ask an average player if they feel it helps the answer is more likely to be no.
However, eve online devs (CCP) listen a lot more to their players then ZOS does. and CCP flies the reps to iceland when its meeting time.

Elsonso

I think that this is a PR and effort saving move. I think they can probably get the same information from the forum, but this way they can make a production out of it, and have the information delivered to them.

Savos_Saren

75% Support Praying

I want to put a lot of faith in it- as long as the class reps understand that the game is evolving (DKs aren't just tanks, Templars aren't just healers, NBs/Sorcs aren't just DDs) and help push our concerns about that to the Devs.

That being said- it seems like we (the players) are doing a lot of unpaid work.

-We do a lot of "beta testing" in PTS every time new content comes out.
-We provide a ton of trouble tickets for bot farmers.
-People in the forums help troubleshoot performance issues.
-We now have "class reps" to be unpaid PR for ZOS.

You'd think that the gameplay would have significantly increased over the past four years... but instead- we've got a lot of gummy bear looking loot crates to buy.

Brutusmax1mus

50% But worried

Zos won't listen. Also, a lot of our reps are biased and some have said some peculiar things.

This is just another "monthly combat update" tactic to send a false hopes to the player base.

NightbladeMechanics

Narvuntien

More than the balance team......

I mean I am throwing shade here but a lot of the time the balance decisions seem out of whack with how the game actually plays.

Lexxypwns

100 % Support

I’m a nightblade I feel confident the two class reps who are nightblade mains are among the most knowledgeable players on the planet about not only our own class but overall game mechanics and relative balance issues.

Edit: I do have a serious issue with 0 console players being included because I don’t feel that it’s fair or proper representation. Even if only as a token gesture at least 1 player from each console and region should have been selected and there’s really no justification for there to not at least be 1 console rep who can articulate all the console issues

Masel

Whats a class rep ?

FakeFox wrote: »

I don't want to name, shame or discredit any of the class representatives personally. However I don't think this will lead to much and I think the system by which the representatives a chosen/organized makes very little sense. What I mean here is that the representatives should represent certain activities in which they have very high expertise (PvP, raiding, roleplay, lore etc.) and not classes. I think many of the chosen representatives lack the expertise to represent a whole class in all aspects of the game.It is worrisome to me to maybe be represented by someone who is not experienced enough in the activities I play and therefore may lack understanding for the issues in these parts of the game. But then again, in my opinion this is just PR anyway and will lead to nothing, so whatever I guess.

And once more, we are NOT representing a specific class, we are gathering community feedback and presenting it to ZoS... What content do you play that we don't have knowledge about? It is stated in the original class rep announcement that we do not represent a specific class, but act as an intermediate between the community and the devs. The meeting we had with them was pretty great!

You have all the right to remain sceptical, but don't spread misinformation by saying that we represent classes individually in all aspects of the game, because that is not the case

Gilvoth

0% It's politics

i just don't believe they share the same wants and interests and desires as we do in our classes.
im sorry.

Castagere

0% It's politics

I don't trust any game system that lets certain players speak for everyone. I have played many games that tried this and it always fails. I don't want someone i don't know deciding how i should play my class.Not everyone that plays the game plays the same so how could some player speak for anyone but themselves and their friends. Its just like powerful guilds controlling the guild stores in this game. Zos.needs to stop with this favoritism to certain guilds and players.

Integral1900

100 % Support

Before the discussion notes went up not much hope, now, yes I think I do. I like being wrong, it means I have more to learn. They summed up evenhandedly I felt. The question now is what will ZOS do

Liofa

Just want to clear something here. First of all, see this quote I took from Gina's post.

they will not be making game-altering decisions, but they will make sure your voice is heard.

We took the majority of what community gave us for feedback. Our ''wants, interests and desires'' are basically yours.

For example, even though there are things that I completely disagree I still presented them to Devs because they were taken from community, aka you people.

Keep this in mind before you spread even more misinformation about Class Rep Project.

Lexxypwns

100 % Support

Liofa wrote: »

Just want to clear something here. First of all, see this quote I took from Gina's post.

they will not be making game-altering decisions, but they will make sure your voice is heard.

We took the majority of what community gave us for feedback. Our ''wants, interests and desires'' are basically yours.

For example, even though there are things that I completely disagree I still presented them to Devs because they were taken from community, aka you people.

Keep this in mind before you spread even more misinformation about Class Rep Project.

Misinformation is the backbone of the internet. Those that can’t distinguish between misinformation and reality aren’t likely to have an adequate perspective to contribute meaningfully to any discussion concerning the future of the game. Anecdotally that has already proven itself true in this thread based upon who is propogating this misinformation and their recent posting histories.

Might I suggest though that you don’t get bent out of shape by these things? You and the other class reps were already great resources for our community prior to this program and I’m quite certain that will continue. It does seem like you’re taking this dissent a bit personal though when really it’s more of a reflection on their character than your own.

Gilvoth

0% It's politics

Liofa wrote: »

Just want to clear something here. First of all, see this quote I took from Gina's post.

they will not be making game-altering decisions, but they will make sure your voice is heard.

We took the majority of what community gave us for feedback. Our ''wants, interests and desires'' are basically yours.

For example, even though there are things that I completely disagree I still presented them to Devs because they were taken from community, aka you people.

Keep this in mind before you spread even more misinformation about Class Rep Project.

i thank you for that, i am not familiar with your name so, i was not referring to you.

Gilvoth

0% It's politics

Castagere wrote: »

I don't trust any game system that lets certain players speak for everyone. I have played many games that tried this and it always fails. I don't want someone i don't know deciding how i should play my class.Not everyone that plays the game plays the same so how could some player speak for anyone but themselves and their friends. Its just like powerful guilds controlling the guild stores in this game. Zos.needs to stop with this favoritism to certain guilds and players.

well said, those are my thoughts as well.
in addition to this, in the past eso decisions have been made (years ago) that were from people and guilds that was not public.

Gilvoth

0% It's politics

Belegnole wrote: »

The biggest problem that I see is that you are taking a small group of ESO players (forums) and then making it smaller (discord). So the information collected is not what the general population wants, but what a very small subsegment wants.

that is exactly the reasoning i had in mind as well.
well said.

FakeFox

0% It's politics

Masel92 wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

I don't want to name, shame or discredit any of the class representatives personally. However I don't think this will lead to much and I think the system by which the representatives a chosen/organized makes very little sense. What I mean here is that the representatives should represent certain activities in which they have very high expertise (PvP, raiding, roleplay, lore etc.) and not classes. I think many of the chosen representatives lack the expertise to represent a whole class in all aspects of the game.It is worrisome to me to maybe be represented by someone who is not experienced enough in the activities I play and therefore may lack understanding for the issues in these parts of the game. But then again, in my opinion this is just PR anyway and will lead to nothing, so whatever I guess.

And once more, we are NOT representing a specific class, we are gathering community feedback and presenting it to ZoS... What content do you play that we don't have knowledge about? It is stated in the original class rep announcement that we do not represent a specific class, but act as an intermediate between the community and the devs. The meeting we had with them was pretty great!

You have all the right to remain sceptical, but don't spread misinformation by saying that we represent classes individually in all aspects of the game, because that is not the case

I've read all the official posts and didn't see anything specificly stating that you aren't representing a specific class and everything sounded to like you do. But whatever. So each of you is representing everything? Sounds even more like a mess to me.

lucky_Sage

If zos listens to a dull extent I have some confidence but I don't have much for zos to listen

Gilvoth

0% It's politics

FakeFox wrote: »

I don't want to name, shame or discredit any of the class representatives personally. However I don't think this will lead to much and I think the system by which the representatives a chosen/organized makes very little sense. What I mean here is that the representatives should represent certain activities in which they have very high expertise (PvP, raiding, roleplay, lore etc.) and not classes. I think many of the chosen representatives lack the expertise to represent a whole class in all aspects of the game.It is worrisome to me to maybe be represented by someone who is not experienced enough in the activities I play and therefore may lack understanding for the issues in these parts of the game. But then again, in my opinion this is just PR anyway and will lead to nothing, so whatever I guess.

very well spoken.
in the past we made our comments heard on the forums, but we on the forums are a very small group compared to the entire eso population.
infact, very few people come to the forums that are ingame.
i don't think that is fair.

Strider__Roshin

75% Support Praying

More than ZOS, and way more than the majority of the community.

Lexxypwns

100 % Support

Daus wrote: »

More than ZOS, and way more than the majority of the community.

I think it’s clear to open minded people after seeing the notes from their first round of talks that there is a lot of potential positive change.

Nobody is going to agree on everything but there’s some really well thought out things mentioned in that thread and compiling on that will be great.

As you mention though, it’s on ZoS how to use this, but this program is removing another excuse for them screwing things up

Bobby_V_Rockit

50% But worried

I’m paranoid they’ll only speak for the top 5-10% of players and leave the masses of the common folk behind.

Runefang

0% It's politics

I just don't think ZOS will do a whole lot with their feedback thats all.

technohic

100 % Support

End of the day, its dialogue with the devs that we didnt have before. If very little comes out of it, I still cant see how we are not better off today than before they started this.

WeylandLabs

100 % Support

I'm sorry I meant if you played the game long enough you know who these players are. Keyword players not employees, try not to go crazy on them they work for free. Thank you

@Alcast @Checkmath @FeaR Turbo @GandTheImpaler @Hexys @Joy_Division @NightbladeMechanics @Liofa @Masel92 @Quantum_V @stileanima @Tasear

As some have more in PvP others PVE its a balanced group of people that know each class in each situations besides ( solo open world PvP) except the class rep nightblades, you know who you are. I look at this and I speak for the ENTIRE console of ps4na community of PvP players. You had our attention, now you have our support. This for us is make or brake, in a sence don't _____ up. Jk not jk please don't mess this up.

I feel where eso players got confused is when ZOS said cast your vote for the representative that will rep your class, yeah me too.They represent all classes apparently, something that I never saw coming, and from a source in the meeting there's a lot more to discuss so everyone can calm down the reps are listening and hearing you.


And to answer @Lexxypwns why we/console don't have one class rep. Have you seen eso console YouTube or even been in PvP latley, its filled with unconstructive people and content our entire community is insane. It's extremely rare to see a console player that is humble and mature and sees this game for what it is.... and is willing to help. I lost my morale 2 years ago when Tamrial One dropped and the console community became about politics. Console is filled with children that look up to exposure videos becuase they don't see how ESO is, and see it as fortnite with stories. I'll pass on a console rep thank you. Plus when's the last time you seen a game master on console ? Where lucky we even get updates. We are the shadow of PC we will never be taken serious. So I guess knowledge is knowing when to _____ now.

But it's obvious that the culture in playstyle is different from pc to console. I'd love to see an elite pc player come to ps4na pvp for one day on a saturday night @Sypher tried that long ago he got chewed up a spat out, never to return again. Lol

Anyway class reps no pressure lol ZOS might have taken the pressure off of them, maybe for good ? And now that is your purpose, hopefully we get this right the first time and should not be a process; yes testing is a must. But It's only been 3 years for console and 4 1/2 for pc for balance but who's counting.

Goodluck:

Sincerely PS4NA

NightbladeMechanics

@Shokasegambit1 thank you for your confidence. As we aren't console players ourselves, we will rely on players like you to represent the console playerbase and communciate its unique challenges to us. We have discussed this among ourselves and are dedicated to representing you guys as best we can.

I will add that Quantum and Gand are both high ranking members in my small group guild and have abundant experience in solo open world PvP on their respective classes. I've known them each for well over a year and learned PvP alongside them. Do not worry -- solo and small scale open world is well represented between them, myself, and Hexys.

And I too am interested in the cultural differences between console and PC. They're essentially different games due to the different controls, and the communities appear to be SO different, perhaps because of age groups or game types?

Anyways, thanks again for the support, and we are listening.

Rexy18

One of the class reps has had their permaban lifted multiple times for hacking and exploiting. Can't state the name on the forums but every player who was around ~3 years ago knows who this is

Ragnarock41

What will it change when Wrobel refuses to understand his own game? All the feedback they collected was already in the forums, mentioned countless times.

What guarantees us that Wrobel will actually give them attention and not do things in his own way?

Weps

100 % Support

After that list I have 100% support on the class rep.
I'm still not sure about whether ZoS would be interested or motivated enough to implement some of those things but that's another story