How much confidence do you have in class reps ?

WeylandLabs

If you played long enough you know these people on ESO that represent your class, and others that have an idea of who is your class rep.

Regardless of your platform, and as a console player 99% of the time I have full confidence in my rep. You all have my support in your ideas for my class.

And no they do resrepresent a specific class.

Drdeath20

50% But worried

I think they all brought up some good points but its useless if it falls on deaf ears.

newtinmpls

Exactly as much confidence as I have in play-testers.

Drdeath20 wrote: »

I think they all brought up some good points but its useless if it falls on deaf ears.

^^^ quoted for truth

Ulo

50% But worried

Don’t really have too much to go on yet until next patch hits, time will tell and I really hope people’s wishes don’t fall on deaf ears.

Vaoh

50% But worried

The Class Rep System? Not much hope.

The Class Reps themselves are definitely a great group of people. However, they are simply players who are tasked with spending their own time to re-relay the info that has always been there for ZOS to see. These players are doing work that ZOS should have been doing this whole time.

Another thing is that despite the players providing feedback on individual skills, ZOS keeps specifying that they want to hear about “pain points”, not any skill balance suggestions. In other words, it sounds like they are much more interested in hearing about where classes are struggling than how knowledgeable players believe they could be fixed.... is this the best way to go about it? Because what I’m gathering from this is that once again, the same Devs who got us into this position will make 100% of the changes.

Will changes (especially positive ones) actually come out of this whole thing? I am honestly doubtful. Remember we’re talking about Wrobel here who seems to be somewhat disconnected with the balance of his own game and loves to go directly against the wants of the community (see AoE Caps, Deep Fissure stun removal, Spear Shards CC removal, Sloads making it onto Live, etc). ZOS constantly reminds us that not all issues will be actioned on - so don’t expect much to change.

There’s always a chance that plenty of good could come out of this! It’s just that based on past experience with the balancing decisions of ZOS, we’d be foolish to feel too optimistic.

Beardimus

100 % Support

I'm trusting the process.

Sure the feedback has all been there before however now its channeled. And documented. And I'm sure if ZOS ignore the points that are persistent the reps will get fed up, and leave.

Who wants to be a conduit for feedback and it not go anywhere? No one.

Let's give them, and the process our full support.

Vapirko

100 % Support

Lots of confidence the the reps, much less confidence in whether ZOS will actually put it to good use.

Minyassa

50% But worried

I have faith they know their class, I just see so many decisions made based on PvP and I just hope that some of them are hardcord PvEers and it's not just all about PvP performance.

jcm2606

50% But worried

Like everyone else has already said, I have complete confidence in the reps themselves, but I'm not nearly as confident in Zenimax when it comes time to using this feedback to balance the game.

A lot of the feedback given has been echoed in the past all over the forums, including within the PTS section, and yet Zenimax only hears what they want to hear. If, by chance, they actually listen this time around, then that would be excellent.

But if this is another one-sided discussion, where Zenimax either focuses on the wrong points, takes the feedback in the wrong way, or flat out ignores the feedback, I'd honestly not be surprised at all.

Voxicity

0% It's politics

0% faith in the system and probably 80% faith in the class reps

The_Protagonist

25% Sceptical

Still hoping even if it does not work.

Morgul667

100 % Support

Full support to them

Hope ZOS will actually do something with their feedback but this is yet to be seen...

Datthaw

75% Support Praying

Beardimus wrote: »

I'm trusting the process.

Sure the feedback has all been there before however now its channeled. And documented. And I'm sure if ZOS ignore the points that are persistent the reps will get fed up, and leave.

Who wants to be a conduit for feedback and it not go anywhere? No one.

Let's give them, and the process our full support.

Yeah if zos drops the ball on this they are going to really *** off its long term dedicated player base

Arthg

100 % Support

Passionate gamers giving their free time for us - hats off!

It's now up to the devs to do something (the state of PvP is ludicrous).

Reverb

This is hard for me to answer. I have very high confidence in the class reps, but very low confidence that Zeni will make appropriate changes based on the rep's input.

Masel

Whats a class rep ?

What is a class rep and how can I eat it?

Mojmir

0% It's politics

The players themselves im sure know what their doing.thr system is just as if a company brought in consultants,its also smoke and mirrors, not expecting any positive changes. Its the same song second verse.

Ladislao

50% But worried

I have no doubt about the honesty of the participants and I am grateful to them for collecting the feedback.

But I like the suggestions of the community only partially. And I'm afraid that under the pressure of the community ZOS will be forced to introduce bad (for game health) changes. So I hope that developers will carefully listen to the collected feedback.

Lake

The reps are great.

The focus and ire should be targeted at Wrobel & the team instead.

Raraaku

I defer to Vaoh's post.

I trust the reps, I don't share the same trust of the developers. While the representative system is a step forward, I also think it sheds light on ESO's biggest problem: lack of developer involvement within their own community/product. I can see why they would want to use such a feedback system, it makes it more manageable in terms of meeting and discussing issues about the game. However, if they were to simply come on the forums and interact with their player base then I think a couple of things would happen...

1) There would be a lot less cynicism and salt within the community because players can actually see the developers taking an active interest within the community about their game.

2) Developers can convey their thoughts on the myriad of topics that continually pop-up over and over because there has only been no acknowledgement that there is a problem and what steps are being taken towards a solution, or why popular suggestions might not work because of unintended side effects might simply migrate the problem elsewhere.

3) Allow the moderators to be a part of the community. Right now they are forced to solely be the enforcers of the forums rules (which is their jobs), but I don't know if some players know that most of the moderators are not privy to inner workings of the development team and don't have answers to many of the questions being asked. Even Gina has a limit in terms of access to the developers. It would be nice to see moderators allowed to engage the community outside of the confines of simple boilerplate responses of removing posts, reminding posters of the rules, etc.

Customer engagement is worth its weight in gold. I cannot fathom why, particularly if ZOS has an CCO (Chief Custom Officer), they have not come to this realization; and if ZOS does have a CCO, then they are striking out on a basic tenet of their job. I love the game, with all it's blemishes and rough edges, but ZOS is losing the battle in terms of customer engagement, and that is translating in a huge loss of potential revenue over a very basic business principle.

Belegnole

0% It's politics

The biggest problem that I see is that you are taking a small group of ESO players (forums) and then making it smaller (discord). So the information collected is not what the general population wants, but what a very small subsegment wants.

Skullstachio

100 % Support

Primarily, it depends on the notes they compile. As an ESO player who has a Dragonknight Main character & A Warden/Werewolf (aka, the Werewarden.) class reps of those classes/world skill will get my indirect support.

One thing ZOS should have done though, because a fair percentage of players don’t exactly live within a close enough proximity or possess proper fundamentals to be able to traverse to Zenimax Online Studios (should said people be exclusively invited by said company), they should have also introduced a few “Remote Class Representatives” to allow an outside overseas perspective to help compile notes for the team alongside the local/semi-local Class representatives so that they may be brought to light in said meetings. (although most notes will have came from the ESO forums mind you folks, but it never hurts to ponder in this scenario.)

Zorgon_The_Revenged

Masel92 wrote: »

What is a class rep and how can I eat it?

L2P noob!!

ak_pvp

75% Support Praying

All of them seem pretty solid, and have done good fork, even if it might not be my specifics.

My problem is the devs, they are stuck in an echo chamber and haven't listened before, just look at the resurgence of procs, the lack of changes in summerset, a "class balance" patch.

erlewine

@Vaoh pretty much summed up how i feel. Dark Age of Camelot had a similar system of Class Team Leads and all it resulted in was periodic compilations of player complaints, without any discussion of solutions. The devs still just did what they want, and the disconnect really showed.

I'm most concerned with Warden changes, and by this point I've long since given up hope of any simple solutions, I think the class would have to be rebuilt to become competitive, and I don't see that happening since they've already cashed the checks from Morrowind.

Vapirko

100 % Support

erlewine wrote: »

@Vaoh pretty much summed up how i feel. Dark Age of Camelot had a similar system of Class Team Leads and all it resulted in was periodic compilations of player complaints, without any discussion of solutions. The devs still just did what they want, and the disconnect really showed.

I'm most concerned with Warden changes, and by this point I've long since given up hope of any simple solutions, I think the class would have to be rebuilt to become competitive, and I don't see that happening since they've already cashed the checks from Morrowind.

This is exactly what I’ve expect to happen. Reps are great but I imagine it will go the same was as the monthly, quarterly, non existent combat updates.

thegenuinebuzz

50% But worried

Simply put, I am a tank player, and i would like my rep to have cleared all the content in the game to truly put a definitive view on tanking and it's struggles and problems( I assume they have). If they have, and have ran all endgame content then they get 100% from me, i just don't know that for certain, so 50% for now

NyassaV

100 % Support

I know many of the people as reps. I trust them. It's up to ZOS at this point

FakeFox

0% It's politics

I don't want to name, shame or discredit any of the class representatives personally. However I don't think this will lead to much and I think the system by which the representatives a chosen/organized makes very little sense. What I mean here is that the representatives should represent certain activities in which they have very high expertise (PvP, raiding, roleplay, lore etc.) and not classes. I think many of the chosen representatives lack the expertise to represent a whole class in all aspects of the game.It is worrisome to me to maybe be represented by someone who is not experienced enough in the activities I play and therefore may lack understanding for the issues in these parts of the game. But then again, in my opinion this is just PR anyway and will lead to nothing, so whatever I guess.

Edit: Apparently representatives are not representing a specific class and I misunderstood that. Doesn't change my point though.

technohic

100 % Support

A lot of the class reps, even for classes I haven’t played much; have been around a long time and I’ve found their opinions reasonable. Some others in the past they have had in, have had strong opinions negatively toward some classes or roles

That said; it’s not the representatives who’s feedback was the basis for talking points. They used the respective threads where anyone can comment. I reserved myself to Templar although I play Sorc and NB end game PVP as well but I’m not as savvy. I doubt that’s the case with everyone.

wozborne

50% But worried

I know they’re all great players with tons of experience, but the fact that they’re all PC players, predominantly PCEU, worries me greatly that they won’t give such considerations as a console player would.