[Class Rep] Nightblade Feedback Thread

Xirks

Can I just ask, how did the nightblade nerfs get justified? How can you have an assassin class, one meant to be in and out quickly taking down one target get surprise attack's fracture removed and incap's stun and defile removed? Not only this but ADD a cast time to it? I feel as though playing this class I have to whisper the target and let him know not to move because I am going to be using my wet noodles for weapons to slowly kill them. Meanwhile the templar has the most op sweep ulti, no cast time added, a snare on every single jabs hit, AND an eclipse 100% snare on every hit. Please can we have this considered, if we could get that cast time removed and maybe the stun added to incap again I would be happy.. Soul harvest can keep the defile, I just want the stun and no cast time.

psycoprophet

Xirks wrote: »

Can I just ask, how did the nightblade nerfs get justified? How can you have an assassin class, one meant to be in and out quickly taking down one target get surprise attack's fracture removed and incap's stun and defile removed? Not only this but ADD a cast time to it? I feel as though playing this class I have to whisper the target and let him know not to move because I am going to be using my wet noodles for weapons to slowly kill them. Meanwhile the templar has the most op sweep ulti, no cast time added, a snare on every single jabs hit, AND an eclipse 100% snare on every hit. Please can we have this considered, if we could get that cast time removed and maybe the stun added to incap again I would be happy.. Soul harvest can keep the defile, I just want the stun and no cast time.

Welcome to mmo's lol
Rogue's are usually the most gutted class as years go on due to being designed in such a way that produces salt mines lol even though that's their gig.

Daddysadface

psycoprophet wrote: »

Xirks wrote: »

Can I just ask, how did the nightblade nerfs get justified? How can you have an assassin class, one meant to be in and out quickly taking down one target get surprise attack's fracture removed and incap's stun and defile removed? Not only this but ADD a cast time to it? I feel as though playing this class I have to whisper the target and let him know not to move because I am going to be using my wet noodles for weapons to slowly kill them. Meanwhile the templar has the most op sweep ulti, no cast time added, a snare on every single jabs hit, AND an eclipse 100% snare on every hit. Please can we have this considered, if we could get that cast time removed and maybe the stun added to incap again I would be happy.. Soul harvest can keep the defile, I just want the stun and no cast time.

Welcome to mmo's lol
Rogue's are usually the most gutted class as years go on due to being designed in such a way that produces salt mines lol even though that's their gig.

Source?

psycoprophet

Daddysadface wrote: »

psycoprophet wrote: »

Xirks wrote: »

Can I just ask, how did the nightblade nerfs get justified? How can you have an assassin class, one meant to be in and out quickly taking down one target get surprise attack's fracture removed and incap's stun and defile removed? Not only this but ADD a cast time to it? I feel as though playing this class I have to whisper the target and let him know not to move because I am going to be using my wet noodles for weapons to slowly kill them. Meanwhile the templar has the most op sweep ulti, no cast time added, a snare on every single jabs hit, AND an eclipse 100% snare on every hit. Please can we have this considered, if we could get that cast time removed and maybe the stun added to incap again I would be happy.. Soul harvest can keep the defile, I just want the stun and no cast time.

Welcome to mmo's lol
Rogue's are usually the most gutted class as years go on due to being designed in such a way that produces salt mines lol even though that's their gig.

Source?

Every mmo with pvp centric modes? The rogue archetype is always the most hated and complained about due to the sneaky, stealthy, high evasive and bursty playstyle.

Deathlord92

Rogue for life 😎

tsaescishoeshiner

Concealed Weapon feedback:

Please consider adding the 25% movement speed bonus (in sneak or invisibility) from Concealed Weapon to the base skill! So Stamblades and Magblades can use it

Reasoning:

This passive bonus wouldn't increase the damage or effectiveness of Surprise Attack, but would prevent Stamblades from having to choose between their class stun + spammable (Surprise Attack) or the mobility + fun of Concealed Weapon

psycoprophet

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Rogue for life 😎

True dat!

ThePedge

Please can a skill in the Siphoning line be reworked to provide stamina and magicka based healing.

If we are going to have all damage taken away from us please give us some defense.

hakan

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

Concealed Weapon feedback:

Please consider adding the 25% movement speed bonus (in sneak or invisibility) from Concealed Weapon to the base skill! So Stamblades and Magblades can use it

Reasoning:

This passive bonus wouldn't increase the damage or effectiveness of Surprise Attack, but would prevent Stamblades from having to choose between their class stun + spammable (Surprise Attack) or the mobility + fun of Concealed Weapon

then why chose concealed weapon? if you are making a suggestion, at least think about it a bit more.

Daddysadface

Interrupt on M.blade skill kit is non existent for PVE. (must use weapon line "Crushing Shock").

Concealed weapon has no interrupt unless in sneak/invisible (Good luck in a pve setting), (Must use weapon line "Crushing Shock").

Lotus Fan has no interrupt, (Must use weapon Line "Crushing Shock")

Little Reward return for a Medium/Close range dps toon other then self heal (Swallow soul), very selfish tool kit, very non group needed or even wanted due to minimal dps over any other class. Specializes at... ? Please tell me again... (Must use weapon line "Crushing Shock")

And yes, I know I can bash, burn my very little stamina, and have none to roll dodge, or use barbed Trap in rotations, not that I should have to bash in a "Proper" group. Then again, if I had proper class skills, you would think on a magica toon...a stun or interrupt would be a "Class specific" ability. Oh wait, didn't Sorc have one on Crystal frag, all for it to be nerfed because of QQ Pvp players?

Deathlord92

I personally feel like both magblade and stamblade could use a buff this tanky meta is not in nb favour at all or sorry it’s templar meta now 😒

Avrael

Siphoning Strikes should give Major Sorcery and Brutality (similar to sorcerers Surge, also in my eyes every class should have a class-skill that lets you buff before a fight) instead of Drain Power, with wich you HAVE to hit an enemie to get the buff so you cant buff up before attacking.
Also Siphoning Strikes, Grim Focus and all their morphs should last 30sec. imo, made a thread about that too now.

Daddysadface

2 Pains: 1 Class abilities having no Utility that bests non class skills or is easily sacrificed and worked around. 2: The Class feeling more Sorc like then Rouge in a PVE Environment. Put DoT Meta on your bar and finally not have to be called "A pretend dps".

Crucified4sin

1. Shadowy disguise needs a longer run time, OR a reduction in cost..
2. It is way to easy to be pulled out of cloak with all the aoe dmg from player skills as well as monster sets constantly going off. It is frustrating when it costs so much to cloak only to be pulled immediately out by a meteor strike on a player near you.

Iskiab

Daddysadface wrote: »

psycoprophet wrote: »

Xirks wrote: »

Can I just ask, how did the nightblade nerfs get justified? How can you have an assassin class, one meant to be in and out quickly taking down one target get surprise attack's fracture removed and incap's stun and defile removed? Not only this but ADD a cast time to it? I feel as though playing this class I have to whisper the target and let him know not to move because I am going to be using my wet noodles for weapons to slowly kill them. Meanwhile the templar has the most op sweep ulti, no cast time added, a snare on every single jabs hit, AND an eclipse 100% snare on every hit. Please can we have this considered, if we could get that cast time removed and maybe the stun added to incap again I would be happy.. Soul harvest can keep the defile, I just want the stun and no cast time.

Welcome to mmo's lol
Rogue's are usually the most gutted class as years go on due to being designed in such a way that produces salt mines lol even though that's their gig.

Source?

I have to agree. Players choose a class usually based on their personality.

Rogues - min-maxers
Sorcs - cross dressers
Tanky types - the little guy who was picked on in high school
Healers - socializers

Rogues usually min max best and then get punished for it, meanwhile other classes complain they can’t do well while eating Doritos and get ganked while sending tells to their friends.

VaxtinTheWolf

So I have another suggestion;

Can we have Path of Darkness and Refreshing Path also deal damage like it used to, except at half the damage coefficient of Twisting Path? It'll be like mimicking the Strife morphs where one does normal damage and heals yourself, and the other does less target damage but heal allies. However, I don't want the healing value on refreshing Path to be touched as that's the main purpose of the morph, so it'll just be doing half the damage of Twisting Path in comparison.

Since your team hasn't seemed to want to increase the effective range of Refreshing Path to that of Twisting Path, I think allowing it to continue doing some damage again, even at half value, would be a positive alternative.

Deathlord92

Crucified4sin wrote: »

1. Shadowy disguise needs a longer run time, OR a reduction in cost..
2. It is way to easy to be pulled out of cloak with all the aoe dmg from player skills as well as monster sets constantly going off. It is frustrating when it costs so much to cloak only to be pulled immediately out by a meteor strike on a player near you.

Concealed weapon should also get a buff. How after all this time concealed weapon hasn’t been buffed I don’t know give it major breach or slight boost to damage maybe even a hot.

Iskiab

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Crucified4sin wrote: »

1. Shadowy disguise needs a longer run time, OR a reduction in cost..
2. It is way to easy to be pulled out of cloak with all the aoe dmg from player skills as well as monster sets constantly going off. It is frustrating when it costs so much to cloak only to be pulled immediately out by a meteor strike on a player near you.

Concealed weapon should also get a buff. How after all this time concealed weapon hasn’t been buffed I don’t know give it major breach or slight boost to damage maybe even a hot.

Another option would be to make it 15m range like clench or one of those other abilities. The ability itself isn’t bad, it’s the constant aoe spam that makes it problematic in pvp.

Deathlord92

Iskiab wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Crucified4sin wrote: »

1. Shadowy disguise needs a longer run time, OR a reduction in cost..
2. It is way to easy to be pulled out of cloak with all the aoe dmg from player skills as well as monster sets constantly going off. It is frustrating when it costs so much to cloak only to be pulled immediately out by a meteor strike on a player near you.

Concealed weapon should also get a buff. How after all this time concealed weapon hasn’t been buffed I don’t know give it major breach or slight boost to damage maybe even a hot.

Another option would be to make it 15m range like clench or one of those other abilities. The ability itself isn’t bad, it’s the constant aoe spam that makes it problematic in pvp.

See how that could be useful but us melee magblades exist 😎

kalunte

Has anyone and idea to give nightblade some group utility beside the 6% physical crit?

Some cross healing which we lack soòooo much of for stam , and mag too since funnel health nerf.. maybe on siphoning attacks or by revamping malevolent offerings..

Also some 3/5% global dmg increase on non-player target for 2sec after using spectral bow could be nice.. some kind of wound exposure..

Nightblade used to be best at dmg and were chosen for that, they aren't anymore and should be given a reason to be chosen for group/pvp/trial content.

Deathlord92

kalunte wrote: »

Has anyone and idea to give nightblade some group utility beside the 6% physical crit?

Some cross healing which we lack soòooo much of for stam , and mag too since funnel health nerf.. maybe on siphoning attacks or by revamping malevolent offerings..

Also some 3/5% global dmg increase on non-player target for 2sec after using spectral bow could be nice.. some kind of wound exposure..

Nightblade used to be best at dmg and were chosen for that, they aren't anymore and should be given a reason to be chosen for group/pvp/trial content.

Completely agree.

martinhpb16_ESO

Deathlord92 wrote: »

I personally feel like both magblade and stamblade could use a buff this tanky meta is not in nb favour at all or sorry it’s templar meta now 😒

This....I'm packing 5.2+ buffed wd and still not getting true assassinations anymore. Those precious moments of going in solo, picking off one player and skillfully evading all the cr*p from their buddies, are just not happening.

Play how you want as a rogue, sneak assassin just gets further and further away

I dont want to zerg, I dont want to brawl - I want to sneak n' stealth, gank n' murder the unsuspecting and run off with my heart pounding as all those tanky aoe zerglings bounce around like yoyos!

Deathlord92

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

I personally feel like both magblade and stamblade could use a buff this tanky meta is not in nb favour at all or sorry it’s templar meta now 😒

This....I'm packing 4.5k+ buffed wd and still not getting true assassinations anymore. Those precious moments of going in solo, picking off one player and skillfully evading all the cr*p from their buddies, are just not happening.

Play how you want as a rogue, sneak assassin just gets further and further away

I dont want to zerg, I dont want to brawl - I want to sneak n' stealth, gank n' murder the unsuspecting and run off with my heart pounding as all those tanky aoe zerglings bounce around like yoyos!

Exactly

ExistingRug61

kalunte wrote: »

Has anyone and idea to give nightblade some group utility beside the 6% physical crit?

Some cross healing which we lack soòooo much of for stam , and mag too since funnel health nerf.. maybe on siphoning attacks or by revamping malevolent offerings..

I'll toss this one out there: Major Lifesteal?
Fits the class theme, applied to enemies so everyone attacking them benefits.
Maybe from something like a synergy on path of darkness. But that would only help mag so maybe somewhere else so stam can get it too?

kalunte wrote: »

Also some 3/5% global dmg increase on non-player target for 2sec after using spectral bow could be nice.. some kind of wound exposure..

Nightblade used to be best at dmg and were chosen for that, they aren't anymore and should be given a reason to be chosen for group/pvp/trial content.

I think something like this could be good too - potentially replace the increase spell and weapon damage while stealthed passive with a short damage boost or penetration boost after doing some action. Would prefer if it is a bit more flexible than just from the spectral bow though, maybe triggered by any direct damage with assassination abilities or damaging an enemy that is under 50% health or something?

Nordic__Knights

sage2000 wrote: »

1. Please gut NB survivability. Nerf cloak into the ground. Provide further nerfs to roll dodge. Force us to become yet another heavy armor brawler, or better yet make it so we are simply a free kill. At the very least make it so that medium armor is no longer viable for any class in PvP.

2. Please take away our burst. Nerf incap into the ground. Take away the spectral bow and make relentless focus just a button push that sends love and blissful feelings to our enemy. Nerf surprise attack to complete the removal of our burst.

In summary, please take away everything that makes our class fun, unique, and effective in PvP. /s

On a more serious note though, my two greatest pain points in regards to NB:

1. The forum warriors who have a relentless agenda of nerfing stamblades into the ground.

2. The infiltration of this very thread by people who don't main the class and just want it nerfed.

+1

JMadFour

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

Concealed Weapon feedback:

Please consider adding the 25% movement speed bonus (in sneak or invisibility) from Concealed Weapon to the base skill! So Stamblades and Magblades can use it

Reasoning:

This passive bonus wouldn't increase the damage or effectiveness of Surprise Attack, but would prevent Stamblades from having to choose between their class stun + spammable (Surprise Attack) or the mobility + fun of Concealed Weapon

then why chose concealed weapon? if you are making a suggestion, at least think about it a bit more.

Make Concealed weapon a Cone AOE of some sort.

labambao

If you are sorcerer agent pls don't read it.

ZoS wanna make incap an utility skill and I am agree with that. With great debuff utility that provided by this ult it shouldn't deal a tonn of damage.
So my suggestion is remove cast time o
incap, make it cost 70 for silence, mb remove that sustain passive for slotting at all. And make deal just 3k oblivion damage, so any build can't make it high tooltip. Same with soul harvest, +20% damage, no cast time, defile, 3k oblivion damage.

Also I had think about class skill identity

Surprise attack - return back fracture
Magic surprise attack - add breach
Mark target - remove fracture and breach, add minor vulnerability, make skill cost magicka
Ambush lotus - just delete this, Noone used it in years.

martinhpb16_ESO

At the risk of getting trolled

Anyone found any good solo Stamblade assassination builds cp?

Everything is just tanking and healing through my junk.

I'm using Spriggan, NM Acolyte, Bloodspawn - wd buffed 5.2.

I've never felt this clunky or inept before

Aztlan

Similar experience. I'm thinking about figuring out how to get Major and/or Minor Defile. The healing is just too much.

GhostofDatthaw

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

At the risk of getting trolled

Anyone found any good solo Stamblade assassination builds cp?

Everything is just tanking and healing through my junk.

I'm using Spriggan, NM Acolyte, Bloodspawn - wd buffed 5.2.

I've never felt this clunky or inept before

Lol welcome to the assassin's class, the nerfed out one trick pony. I don't Stam, but magnb only ganking with calu anymore, IDC what anyone else says it's impossible without that set, and if they disagree I say prove it.

The single target burst class, lawl, not no mo

They need to buff our damage or give some secondary buffs to skills. Like even fear is a joke now for Stam, why would ANYONE use that over fg fear because of passives. Fears out of global cooldowns it's just better.

Nbs are nerfed hard because everyone hates assassins