Snipe exploit?

Datthaw

Edit. No one seems to care

Feanor

I'd just screen shot the hate tells, report, and move on. It's far more likely you get what you want that way. Snipe just is what it is.

Datthaw

Feanor wrote: »

I'd just screen shot the hate tells, report, and move on. It's far more likely you get what you want that way. Snipe just is what it is.

Not this, this is a total new bug that is being exploited. I'm talking you just drop dead and then hear and snipe cast sound. You look and recap and you have 3-4 snipes on there without seeing one.

Azurya

Datthaw wrote: »

Question in title, is it bannable? There is a snipe glitch where you can get hit from like 3 snipes at the aame tome before you even hear the sound or see the 1st shot. There is a few pvp players who are totally taking advantage of this glitch. If it's bannable I'm going get shadow play going because one of these guys in very hateful, tbagging sending hate tells and what not. Would love to give that salt the hammer.

yes that would be nice,
also bann those zergs, coming around a corner and you are dead before you can say "eso"
that is also very mean
or those camping at bridges, towers, milegates and killing ppl over and over

I say BANN THEM ALL, and DO IT NOW!
and anyway it is total unfair to kill other players in PvP-zones!
BANN PVP ZONES! BANN THEM NOW!
and being killed in duells is unfair
BANN DUELLS NOW!

all said, now it will be done!

zaria

Datthaw wrote: »

Question in title, is it bannable? There is a snipe glitch where you can get hit from like 3 snipes at the aame tome before you even hear the sound or see the 1st shot. There is a few pvp players who are totally taking advantage of this glitch. If it's bannable I'm going get shadow play going because one of these guys in very hateful, tbagging sending hate tells and what not. Would love to give that salt the hammer.

If its an hack as in cheat engine or an actual exploit some how its banable if caught.

However its just as likely this is just lag and rubber banding,

ganzaeso

Are you sure it is not lag? I'd love to see a video with your ping rate at the time of the snipe.

3 snipes is a little weak. Most targets can be finished in 2 hits with weaving due to the change in light attack damage.

Datthaw

Azurya wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Question in title, is it bannable? There is a snipe glitch where you can get hit from like 3 snipes at the aame tome before you even hear the sound or see the 1st shot. There is a few pvp players who are totally taking advantage of this glitch. If it's bannable I'm going get shadow play going because one of these guys in very hateful, tbagging sending hate tells and what not. Would love to give that salt the hammer.

yes that would be nice,
also bann those zergs, coming around a corner and you are dead before you can say "eso"
that is also very mean
or those camping at bridges, towers, milegates and killing ppl over and over

I say BANN THEM ALL, and DO IT NOW!
and anyway it is total unfair to kill other players in PvP-zones!
BANN PVP ZONES! BANN THEM NOW!
and being killed in duells is unfair
BANN DUELLS NOW!

all said, now it will be done!

I get what you're trying to do here, but you're just coming off as an ass. I'm not some salty rage person because I died, you obviously have 0....zero, idea what I'm talking about. I have never tried to ban anyone and only report bit trains. But this glitch is just over the top and being totally abused. I don't think you know what it really is.

ArvenAldmeri

Happened to me, got shot down from mount by (shown in recap) 2 snipes. No sound, nothing, suddenly dropped dead like if I got one shot not even knowing what hit me without the sound.

Asardes

Nerf lag in Cyrodiil! Way too stronk since 2014

Datthaw

zaria wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Question in title, is it bannable? There is a snipe glitch where you can get hit from like 3 snipes at the aame tome before you even hear the sound or see the 1st shot. There is a few pvp players who are totally taking advantage of this glitch. If it's bannable I'm going get shadow play going because one of these guys in very hateful, tbagging sending hate tells and what not. Would love to give that salt the hammer.

If its an hack as in cheat engine or an actual exploit some how its banable if caught.

However its just as likely this is just lag and rubber banding,

ganzaeso wrote: »

Are you sure it is not lag? I'd love to see a video with your ping rate at the time of the snipe.

3 snipes is a little weak. Most targets can be finished in 2 hits with weaving due to the change in light attack damage.

Absolutely positive, my pvp guild is up in arms about this. It is happening to all of us. I have Shadow play I can get it running and catch a video of it

Edit plus 3 snipes is not weak if they are hitting for 8k a piece

Lysette

Datthaw wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

I'd just screen shot the hate tells, report, and move on. It's far more likely you get what you want that way. Snipe just is what it is.

Not this, this is a total new bug that is being exploited. I'm talking you just drop dead and then hear and snipe cast sound. You look and recap and you have 3-4 snipes on there without seeing one.

Well, my guess why that is, I thought to have recognized with sound and skills, that sound is actually outsourced on another core now and is therefore not always present at the time when the action takes place - I could be wrong though, but that was my impression. So this might be an issue, which comes from the changes with multi-threading in the last patch and some dev should look into it.

I forgot how to mark the post for review by a ZOS official -maybe someone of you could help me with it.

Azurya

Datthaw wrote: »

Azurya wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Question in title, is it bannable? There is a snipe glitch where you can get hit from like 3 snipes at the aame tome before you even hear the sound or see the 1st shot. There is a few pvp players who are totally taking advantage of this glitch. If it's bannable I'm going get shadow play going because one of these guys in very hateful, tbagging sending hate tells and what not. Would love to give that salt the hammer.

yes that would be nice,
also bann those zergs, coming around a corner and you are dead before you can say "eso"
that is also very mean
or those camping at bridges, towers, milegates and killing ppl over and over

I say BANN THEM ALL, and DO IT NOW!
and anyway it is total unfair to kill other players in PvP-zones!
BANN PVP ZONES! BANN THEM NOW!
and being killed in duells is unfair
BANN DUELLS NOW!

all said, now it will be done!

I get what you're trying to do here, but you're just coming off as an ass. I'm not some salty rage person because I died, you obviously have 0....zero, idea what I'm talking about. I have never tried to ban anyone and only report bit trains. But this glitch is just over the top and being totally abused. I don't think you know what it really is.

you always could have reported the hate comment of that hunk, but NO, you want players who use snipe to get banned...........

GaunterODim

Ive noticed this too, also been happening before summerset. I doesnt happen too often, but when it does, it is repeatedly the same player taking advantage of something.
It has been bugging me for a while how its done and what to do against it, because youre litreally just falling over dead and then you have 3-4 snipes from the same player in your recap and it is not a pleasure.

Datthaw

Lysette wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

I'd just screen shot the hate tells, report, and move on. It's far more likely you get what you want that way. Snipe just is what it is.

Not this, this is a total new bug that is being exploited. I'm talking you just drop dead and then hear and snipe cast sound. You look and recap and you have 3-4 snipes on there without seeing one.

Well, my guess why that is, I thought to have recognized with sound and skills, that sound is actually outsourced on another core now and is therefore not always present at the time when the action takes place - I could be wrong though, but that was my impression. So this might be an issue, which comes from the changes with multi-threading in the last patch and some dev should look into it.

I forgot how to mark the post for review by a ZOS official -maybe someone of you could help me with it.

Its not even just the sound. How does a normal snipe gank happen, you get popped by the 1st one and get stunned, you need to break the cc and block before the 2nd one hits you too, once you're up you're looking for the 3rd shot and where he is.

Not this, it's like you jist drop dead, 3 snipes on recap

DDuke

You're probably referring to the health desync glitch: you don't get hit by multiple snipes at the same time (that's impossible due to 1s cast time and relatively short travel time), but they do register on your screen only when you're already dead.

Next time that happens, check your combat log (if you have such an addon) and see when those invisible snipes actually landed.

biminirwb17_ESO

As a deaf 1 handed sniper I laugh when people complain they get killed before getting an audio cue.

Most snipes stun on the first hit while the next is in flight. Then you get the weapon enchant, then the poison status effect.

The changes post Summerset is that snipers can now run 5-5-2 sets, thus hitting even harder (bow counts as two stats). Maybe this is the cause?

Berenhir

I heard the snipe stacking might be related to sniping someone who is in another subzone then yourself (e.g. sniping someone on arrius grounds from arrius lumber). Someone with a bowtard should do some testing.

Datthaw

DDuke wrote: »

You're probably referring to the health desync glitch: you don't get hit by multiple snipes at the same time (that's impossible due to 1s cast time and relatively short travel time), but they do register on your screen only when you're already dead.

Next time that happens, check your combat log (if you have such an addon) and see when those invisible snipes actually landed.

It's not a desyncs it's a glitch, it happens to every one in my pvp guild all from the same player

Feanor

Azurya wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Azurya wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Question in title, is it bannable? There is a snipe glitch where you can get hit from like 3 snipes at the aame tome before you even hear the sound or see the 1st shot. There is a few pvp players who are totally taking advantage of this glitch. If it's bannable I'm going get shadow play going because one of these guys in very hateful, tbagging sending hate tells and what not. Would love to give that salt the hammer.

yes that would be nice,
also bann those zergs, coming around a corner and you are dead before you can say "eso"
that is also very mean
or those camping at bridges, towers, milegates and killing ppl over and over

I say BANN THEM ALL, and DO IT NOW!
and anyway it is total unfair to kill other players in PvP-zones!
BANN PVP ZONES! BANN THEM NOW!
and being killed in duells is unfair
BANN DUELLS NOW!

all said, now it will be done!

I get what you're trying to do here, but you're just coming off as an ass. I'm not some salty rage person because I died, you obviously have 0....zero, idea what I'm talking about. I have never tried to ban anyone and only report bit trains. But this glitch is just over the top and being totally abused. I don't think you know what it really is.

you always could have reported the hate comment of that hunk, but NO, you want players who use snipe to get banned...........

The OP has two parts:

1) There is a new bug with Snipe that’s possibly exploited. Therefore the question of bans is a valid one.

2) The presumed exploiter also sends hate tells.

The two issues aren’t connected at all.

DDuke

biminirwb17_ESO wrote: »

As a deaf 1 handed sniper I laugh when people complain they get killed before getting an audio cue.

Most snipes stun on the first hit while the next is in flight. Then you get the weapon enchant, then the poison status effect.

The changes post Summerset is that snipers can now run 5-5-2 sets, thus hitting even harder (bow counts as two stats). Maybe this is the cause?

People running 5/5/2 with bow hit less actually since they aren't able to run Asylum Bow with that setup, meaning they run a classic snipe build that used to Empower their snipes with Radiant Magelight.

Empower was changed to buff light attacks, which greatly reduced the burst of these snipe builds.

Datthaw

biminirwb17_ESO wrote: »

As a deaf 1 handed sniper I laugh when people complain they get killed before getting an audio cue.

Most snipes stun on the first hit while the next is in flight. Then you get the weapon enchant, then the poison status effect.

The changes post Summerset is that snipers can now run 5-5-2 sets, thus hitting even harder (bow counts as two stats). Maybe this is the cause?

No its not this, I even understand the distance close snipe spam trick, it's non of this

Lysette

Datthaw wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

I'd just screen shot the hate tells, report, and move on. It's far more likely you get what you want that way. Snipe just is what it is.

Not this, this is a total new bug that is being exploited. I'm talking you just drop dead and then hear and snipe cast sound. You look and recap and you have 3-4 snipes on there without seeing one.

Well, my guess why that is, I thought to have recognized with sound and skills, that sound is actually outsourced on another core now and is therefore not always present at the time when the action takes place - I could be wrong though, but that was my impression. So this might be an issue, which comes from the changes with multi-threading in the last patch and some dev should look into it.

I forgot how to mark the post for review by a ZOS official -maybe someone of you could help me with it.

Its not even just the sound. How does a normal snipe gank happen, you get popped by the 1st one and get stunned, you need to break the cc and block before the 2nd one hits you too, once you're up you're looking for the 3rd shot and where he is.

Not this, it's like you jist drop dead, 3 snipes on recap

But this not just with snipes and not just in PvP - I ran into a monster lately in Reaper's March and dropped dead - got the death summary with 4 hits and a pulverize at the 5th hit - and then I heard the sound of the attacks - after I was dead already. This is not just with snipes that way.

Datthaw

I can't state this enough, it's not desync, it's not lag, it's not git gud, it's not stop crying. This is a total glitch that is being abused by the same players over, and over, and over.

ganzaeso

Either way it is a bug and not an exploit. Lack of sound cannot be heard by the one sniping unless they are sitting right next to you.

Snipe spammers would still spam snipe regardless as it is an effective skill and ZOS has no way of filtering out who was just playing normally.

My best advice would be to get with a friend and reproduce the bug as many times as possible and submit a video to the DEVs.

Lysette

Datthaw wrote: »

I can't state this enough, it's not desync, it's not lag, it's not git gud, it's not stop crying. This is a total glitch that is being abused by the same players over, and over, and over.

But it is just a guess, that this is a glitch which can be abused - maybe it is just a synchronization issue between sound and action and none of is a actual glitch. As long as it just a guess, let's stick to observation and state those and not mess with people,who might be nasty but still doing just what the game offers - we do not know yet, if this is really an exploit.

Datthaw

Feanor wrote: »

Azurya wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Azurya wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Question in title, is it bannable? There is a snipe glitch where you can get hit from like 3 snipes at the aame tome before you even hear the sound or see the 1st shot. There is a few pvp players who are totally taking advantage of this glitch. If it's bannable I'm going get shadow play going because one of these guys in very hateful, tbagging sending hate tells and what not. Would love to give that salt the hammer.

yes that would be nice,
also bann those zergs, coming around a corner and you are dead before you can say "eso"
that is also very mean
or those camping at bridges, towers, milegates and killing ppl over and over

I say BANN THEM ALL, and DO IT NOW!
and anyway it is total unfair to kill other players in PvP-zones!
BANN PVP ZONES! BANN THEM NOW!
and being killed in duells is unfair
BANN DUELLS NOW!

all said, now it will be done!

I get what you're trying to do here, but you're just coming off as an ass. I'm not some salty rage person because I died, you obviously have 0....zero, idea what I'm talking about. I have never tried to ban anyone and only report bit trains. But this glitch is just over the top and being totally abused. I don't think you know what it really is.

you always could have reported the hate comment of that hunk, but NO, you want players who use snipe to get banned...........

The OP has two parts:

1) There is a new bug with Snipe that’s possibly exploited. Therefore the question of bans is a valid one.

2) The presumed exploiter also sends hate tells.

The two issues aren’t connected at all.

I ended up ignoring him but he will still stand over me and just tbag until I rez. I have never been one to get upset when I die in pvp, it's gonna happen. But having someone abuse a glitch and then taunt me is infuriating

Tommy_The_Gun

As far as I know the ZOS changed API because of Add-on called "Miat's PVP Alerts" That basically said: "Attack incoming, dodge now !" - And that was not only about snipe. It informed you about every incoming attacks... So it basically was removing a lot of play styles - leaving only face - to - face tank or zerg ball-groups.

Dragon Bones DLC patch notes:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/394810/pc-mac-patch-notes-v3-3-5-dragon-bones-update-17#latest
Addons

Addons will now only know about attacks that target you after they hit you in PvP areas.
Developer Comments:

Addons will no longer receive BEGIN combat events in PvP areas if they target the player, and come from a hostile source.

Datthaw

Lysette wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

I can't state this enough, it's not desync, it's not lag, it's not git gud, it's not stop crying. This is a total glitch that is being abused by the same players over, and over, and over.

But it is just a guess, that this is a glitch which can be abused - maybe it is just a synchronization issue between sound and action and none of is a actual glitch. As long as it just a guess, let's stick to observation and state those and not mess with people,who might be nasty but still doing just what the game offers - we do not know yet, if this is really an exploit.

It's not a normal snipe gank. I'm not going after snipe at all. All I do is pvp... this is new... this is a glitch/bug w/e you want to call it

If this was just a sound desync I wouldn't go to 0 hp instantly

itsJylerTAG

Cyrodiil has been very laggy as of late and i would toss it up to being part of the cause, even lag on their end can be key as well as what tommy just said before me. There are less queues available to prepare against an attack. As for sniping in all, i can usually get off 2 with weaving in a very short amount of time and that is not an exploit. I'd suggest recording a video, then either submitting it to ZoS for review or tossing it up here so we can see exactly what you're referring to.

Jerkling

Datthaw wrote: »

There is a snipe glitch where you can get hit from like 3 snipes at the aame tome before you even hear the sound or see the 1st shot.

that stealthy gankers spam Snipe to dispose of weak targets fast is nothing new really, it's a very common thing to do. that the ability doesn't have an animation or makes a sound now (for whatever reason) doesn't mean players are exploiting it - you would have been dead anyways, with or without animation/sound.

DDuke

Datthaw wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

I can't state this enough, it's not desync, it's not lag, it's not git gud, it's not stop crying. This is a total glitch that is being abused by the same players over, and over, and over.

But it is just a guess, that this is a glitch which can be abused - maybe it is just a synchronization issue between sound and action and none of is a actual glitch. As long as it just a guess, let's stick to observation and state those and not mess with people,who might be nasty but still doing just what the game offers - we do not know yet, if this is really an exploit.

It's not a normal snipe gank. I'm not going after snipe at all. All I do is pvp... this is new... this is a glitch/bug w/e you want to call it

Would it be possible for you to record a video of this or post a screenshot of your combat log (if you have one)? You say it's not the health desync glitch & now I'm curious