It's Time To Make Vamparism More Punishing

dazee

Darth Malgus approves.

Ximinetto

dazee wrote: »

Darth Malgus approves.

Wrong game/universe mate.

preevious

Yes, vampires should be punished more, since I don't play one !
You all don't deserve to be happier than I am ! You all don't deserve no advantage that I wouldn't benefit of !

Exagerating? not so much. The above is the frame of mind of many players out there .. I don't know if I should feel sad or disgusted.

Aliyavana

preevious wrote: »

Yes, vampires should be punished more, since I don't play one !
You all don't deserve to be happier than I am ! You all don't deserve no advantage that I wouldn't benefit of !

Exagerating? not so much. The above is the frame of mind of many players out there .. I don't know if I should feel sad or disgusted.

Lol what

Marginis

Aliyavana wrote: »

preevious wrote: »

Yes, vampires should be punished more, since I don't play one !
You all don't deserve to be happier than I am ! You all don't deserve no advantage that I wouldn't benefit of !

Exagerating? not so much. The above is the frame of mind of many players out there .. I don't know if I should feel sad or disgusted.

Lol what

Would you like some help understanding? I can help explain if you'd like.

LadyLavina

Aliyavana wrote: »

a lot of players are against hiding vamparism because they consider it a drawback but would probably qq if they were forced to slot a vampire ability, a REAL drawback, in order to get the benefits of regen. "Embrace vampirism" is the argument. So the anti hide vampirism crowd should really embrace it and be forced to slot a vampire ability as one of the draw backs of vampirism just like the old days. At this point the majority of people only consider vampirism as a stat increase and many don't care about the cosmetics and the drawback isn't bad enough and so take advantage of the stat increase vampirism without even touching the full power of vamprism. atleast with this change people will not feel forced to take advantage and ruin their appearance they spent a considerable amount of time tweaking before ruining it with a skin that leaves your fur, skin, and tatoos bleached. Really eso has one of the worst incarnations of vampirism appearance wise.

Lore reasons (illusion magic, blending in with mortals, ingame explanations) and gameplay mechanics (Skins that hide vamparism already...) doesnt matter apparently and yet We can already hide our heavy armor by looking like we have light armor, or wear a wedding dress on a tank. I can make my axes look like daggers and still inflict bleeds on my opponents. I can hide my zaans and pretty soon i can even change my gear to look like monster sets which make a bigger difference in gameplay but yet hide vamparism is a huge no to them yet probably use the outfit system to hide their real gear. I think this change would help purge a huge number of players that treat vampirism like a stat increase with little drawback and less people will feel forced to ruin their characters appearance with it.

nope

Aliyavana

LadyLavina wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

a lot of players are against hiding vamparism because they consider it a drawback but would probably qq if they were forced to slot a vampire ability, a REAL drawback, in order to get the benefits of regen. "Embrace vampirism" is the argument. So the anti hide vampirism crowd should really embrace it and be forced to slot a vampire ability as one of the draw backs of vampirism just like the old days. At this point the majority of people only consider vampirism as a stat increase and many don't care about the cosmetics and the drawback isn't bad enough and so take advantage of the stat increase vampirism without even touching the full power of vamprism. atleast with this change people will not feel forced to take advantage and ruin their appearance they spent a considerable amount of time tweaking before ruining it with a skin that leaves your fur, skin, and tatoos bleached. Really eso has one of the worst incarnations of vampirism appearance wise.

Lore reasons (illusion magic, blending in with mortals, ingame explanations) and gameplay mechanics (Skins that hide vamparism already...) doesnt matter apparently and yet We can already hide our heavy armor by looking like we have light armor, or wear a wedding dress on a tank. I can make my axes look like daggers and still inflict bleeds on my opponents. I can hide my zaans and pretty soon i can even change my gear to look like monster sets which make a bigger difference in gameplay but yet hide vamparism is a huge no to them yet probably use the outfit system to hide their real gear. I think this change would help purge a huge number of players that treat vampirism like a stat increase with little drawback and less people will feel forced to ruin their characters appearance with it.

nope

yep

Prabooo

this is passive/aggressive toxicity. Why shouldn't your build be punished instead? Stop asking for things that are degenerative to the playstyles already in existence

Aliyavana

Prabooo wrote: »

this is passive/aggressive toxicity. Why shouldn't your build be punished instead? Stop asking for things that are degenerative to the playstyles already in existence

my build is already punished as I cant use vampirism because it looks ugly af

Runschei

Nah don't touch vampirism. It is fine as it is with it's drawbacks atm (unless we're talking about an option to hide the skin, then I'm all in). Send the attention to the furballs. Barely any reason to be one tbf.

Alpheu5

Aliyavana wrote: »

Prabooo wrote: »

this is passive/aggressive toxicity. Why shouldn't your build be punished instead? Stop asking for things that are degenerative to the playstyles already in existence

my build is already punished as I cant use vampirism because it looks ugly af

That would be like not using a BiS set before outfitting because you thought it looked ugly af.

Aliyavana

Alpheu5 wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Prabooo wrote: »

this is passive/aggressive toxicity. Why shouldn't your build be punished instead? Stop asking for things that are degenerative to the playstyles already in existence

my build is already punished as I cant use vampirism because it looks ugly af

That would be like not using a BiS set before outfitting because you thought it looked ugly af.

There was costumes and hide helmet before that

josiahva

Aliyavana wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

As long as half of cyrodiil is slamming dawnbreakers down, I consider the extra damage from that to be sufficient in terms of vampire drawbacks.

sounds like that is sufficient punishment enough to add a hide vampirism skin then, seeing as they already risk a lot in cyrodil. From a pvp perspective some classes lack mobility and rely on mist form for getting away and those classes are mandatory to look ugly for mist form.

Good god, its a disfiguring disease people! Vampirism has significant drawbacks already(though not enough to make people think twice). I am always and against any hide Vampirism skin. There are already plenty of outfit system helms to hide your face if you cant stand looking at it. They don't need to nerf vampire here, they need to fix werewolf to make it a viable alternative choice, or add a fighter's guild passive that buffs you if you arent werewolf or vampire...something to make it an actual choice.

Aliyavana

josiahva wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

As long as half of cyrodiil is slamming dawnbreakers down, I consider the extra damage from that to be sufficient in terms of vampire drawbacks.

sounds like that is sufficient punishment enough to add a hide vampirism skin then, seeing as they already risk a lot in cyrodil. From a pvp perspective some classes lack mobility and rely on mist form for getting away and those classes are mandatory to look ugly for mist form.

Good god, its a disfiguring disease people! Vampirism has significant drawbacks already(though not enough to make people think twice). I am always and against any hide Vampirism skin. There are already plenty of outfit system helms to hide your face if you cant stand looking at it. They don't need to nerf vampire here, they need to fix werewolf to make it a viable alternative choice, or add a fighter's guild passive that buffs you if you arent werewolf or vampire...something to make it an actual choice.

A disease that you can already hide with skins and lore wise you can hide.

Alpheu5

Aliyavana wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Prabooo wrote: »

this is passive/aggressive toxicity. Why shouldn't your build be punished instead? Stop asking for things that are degenerative to the playstyles already in existence

my build is already punished as I cant use vampirism because it looks ugly af

That would be like not using a BiS set before outfitting because you thought it looked ugly af.

There was costumes and hide helmet before that

Make an outfit that covers your whole body or wear a polymorph. ezpz

DUTCH_REAPER

Can we just for once guys/gals...just stop with the nerfs.

I mean Doshia, Bogdan etc magic DK etc Templar etc magic DK etc magic dk.

Cmon. I’ve told you guys before. Every single time ZOS nerfs something a kitten dies.....there are soooo many dead kittens right now. #save the kittens

MLGProPlayer

Alpheu5 wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Prabooo wrote: »

this is passive/aggressive toxicity. Why shouldn't your build be punished instead? Stop asking for things that are degenerative to the playstyles already in existence

my build is already punished as I cant use vampirism because it looks ugly af

That would be like not using a BiS set before outfitting because you thought it looked ugly af.

There was costumes and hide helmet before that

Make an outfit that covers your whole body or wear a polymorph. ezpz

All of that overrides the effort you put into designing your character

Runschei

josiahva wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

As long as half of cyrodiil is slamming dawnbreakers down, I consider the extra damage from that to be sufficient in terms of vampire drawbacks.

sounds like that is sufficient punishment enough to add a hide vampirism skin then, seeing as they already risk a lot in cyrodil. From a pvp perspective some classes lack mobility and rely on mist form for getting away and those classes are mandatory to look ugly for mist form.

Good god, its a disfiguring disease people! Vampirism has significant drawbacks already(though not enough to make people think twice). I am always and against any hide Vampirism skin. There are already plenty of outfit system helms to hide your face if you cant stand looking at it. They don't need to nerf vampire here, they need to fix werewolf to make it a viable alternative choice, or add a fighter's guild passive that buffs you if you arent werewolf or vampire...something to make it an actual choice.

I'm going to copy my post from another thread here.

These forums really annoy me but not because I am against an option to hide the foul (imo) look of vampirism, I fully support it. But it is just that people do not seem to listen what so ever.

At first you are told that it is a part of the downsides when choosing to become a vampire, which it clearly is NOT. More vulnerability towards fire damage, lower health recovery and having fighters guild abilities deal significantly more damage towards you (yeah try swallowing a dawnbreaker or silver leash) are the downsides. These downsides even apply to you on stage 1, where you do not have ANY benefits what so ever. You are basically human yet you appear as a vampire and you have the downsides.

Then comes the rest of the people to telling you to just put on a helmet, a skin, a costume or wear one of the disguises you get from quests. I am sorry but I did not spend anything less than 10 minutes in character creation screen for any of my characters only to hide my work under some helmet. Nor do I want to look like a character from tron, a fire atronach or a salami. Wearing one of the disguises obtainable from quests even removes all the cosmetics you have added to your character AFTER character creation screen. This can be tattoos, makeup, jewelry, awesome dwemer goggles etc. from the crown store. Obviously I did not spend x amount of minutes creating every single one of my characters only to have makeup and tattoos fade away by becoming a vampire either. Clearly ZOS has no problem in making cosmetics like those overwrite the vamp skin as the bright red lipstick is really visible.

Now maybe you did not give a frick frack about the appearance of your character, but this is an RPG after all, people highly care about their appearance. If appearance did not mean anything to anyone we would not have had the outfit station, dye station, costumes, skins, all the different crafting styles or anything. Just let people have the opportunity to style their characters as they want. It does NOT affect anyone else. Putting on one of the skins, disguises, costumes or making an outfit just to hide the look of vampirism is simply avoiding the issue.

D0PAMINE

@Aliyavana You're my buddy and I somewhat agree your point makes sense, but Vampirism has never personally given me an edge other than pve soloing and my tank builds. I dont even have it on my healer. You've seen my main toon so you know I dont hide it, I embrace it fully. I also have non vampire characters because I dont want their appearence changed and one mag toon is a WW so I can bite people.

ShadowHvo

If you give them more drawbacks it better be aligned with more strenghts too.

Let us burn in the sun and be chased by guards, but then I'll also take the increased damage, immunity to disease and poison and crazy high flat resistence to all mundane weaponry. Oh, and lets not forget about increased magical prowess too.

But then you'll just complain even more when Vampires rule the night.

Sevn

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Prabooo wrote: »

this is passive/aggressive toxicity. Why shouldn't your build be punished instead? Stop asking for things that are degenerative to the playstyles already in existence

my build is already punished as I cant use vampirism because it looks ugly af

That would be like not using a BiS set before outfitting because you thought it looked ugly af.

There was costumes and hide helmet before that

Make an outfit that covers your whole body or wear a polymorph. ezpz

All of that overrides the effort you put into designing your character

Sounds like punishment enough to me then.