It's Time To Make Vamparism More Punishing

Seri

DanteYoda wrote: »

They should make Vampires glitter in the sun.. no seriously.

You called?



*runs away spamming harness magicka again*

(Yes, this is the second time I've used this joke for sparkling vampires. Yes, I'll use it again in the future )

MLGProPlayer

DoctorESO wrote: »

People are being "forced" into vampirism due to the competitive advantage it provides and being at a comparative disadvantage without it.

Exactly.

Vampirism should be an RP decision or a compliment to niche builds. It shouldn't be something that people just get for free magicka/stamina regen. As it stands right now, there is no reason not to be a vampire in PvE. And as such, almost everyone participating in endgame is one.

It's not a choice when I'm at an objective disadvantage if I'm not a vampire.

Aliyavana

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

People are being "forced" into vampirism due to the competitive advantage it provides and being at a comparative disadvantage without it.

Exactly.

Vampirism should be an RP decision or a compliment to niche builds. It shouldn't be something that people just get for free magicka/stamina regen. As it stands right now, there is no reason not to be a vampire in PvE. And as such, almost everyone participating in endgame is one.

It's not a choice when I'm at an objective disadvantage if I'm not a vampire.

I bet a lot of these people who are against vampirism take advantage of the outfit system and hide their gear, or use costumes to hide their monster sets and arena weapons.

Cinbri

I dont get OP logic - give option to hide vampirism, that will remove only drawback of being vampire and it will decrease number of vampires which is bis coz raw stats?

Emma_Overload

Before we make vampirism "more punishing" by forcing us to slot an ability, how about we give vamps FIVE spells?

Two spells plus a weak ultimate is not enough!

bloodthirstyvampire

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Before we make vampirism "more punishing" by forcing us to slot an ability, how about we give vamps FIVE spells?

Two spells plus a weak ultimate is not enough!

Weak since when I've wiped out entire zergs with coordinated bat swarm bombs all at the same time It melts everybody

Aliyavana

Cinbri wrote: »

I dont get OP logic - give option to hide vampirism, that will remove only drawback of being vampire and it will decrease number of vampires which is bis coz raw stats?

Lots of people want to be vampires because it's a stat increase with little drawback and the majority of people become vampires because they don't care about cosmetics and only care for the stats. There is some of us who refuse to become vampires because it looks ugly but many people are against hiding vamparism and tell us to deal with it because they don't want cyrodil to be over run with vampires. Cosmetics shouldn't be a punishment and I bet these people who are against hiding vamparism use the outfit system to hide their gear such as monster sets and arena weapons that provide more game changing elements than vamparism does.

Emma_Overload

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Before we make vampirism "more punishing" by forcing us to slot an ability, how about we give vamps FIVE spells?

Two spells plus a weak ultimate is not enough!

Weak since when I've wiped out entire zergs with coordinated bat swarm bombs all at the same time It melts everybody

Are you on EU server? Because I can't even remember the last time I saw someone using bats in PvP, much less kill someone with it. The damage is pitiful compared to the destro ult.

DanteYoda

Seri wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

They should make Vampires glitter in the sun.. no seriously.

You called?



*runs away spamming harness magicka again*

(Yes, this is the second time I've used this joke for sparkling vampires. Yes, I'll use it again in the future )

Well i suppose thats glittering... kinda hard to not look at the white dark elf though...

Mureel

Aliyavana wrote: »

a lot of players are against hiding vamparism because they consider it a drawback but would probably qq if they were forced to slot a vampire ability, a REAL drawback, in order to get the benefits of regen. "Embrace vampirism" is the argument. So the anti hide vampirism crowd should really embrace it and be forced to slot a vampire ability as one of the draw backs of vampirism just like the old days. At this point the majority of people only consider vampirism as a stat increase and many don't care about the cosmetics and the drawback isn't bad enough and so take advantage of the stat increase vampirism without even touching the full power of vamprism. atleast with this change people will not feel forced to take advantage and ruin their appearance they spent a considerable amount of time tweaking before ruining it with a skin that leaves your fur, skin, and tatoos bleached. Really eso has one of the worst incarnations of vampirism appearance wise.

Lore reasons (illusion magic, blending in with mortals, ingame explanations) and gameplay mechanics (Skins that hide vamparism already...) doesnt matter apparently and yet We can already hide our heavy armor by looking like we have light armor, or wear a wedding dress on a tank. I can make my axes look like daggers and still inflict bleeds on my opponents. I can hide my zaans and pretty soon i can even change my gear to look like monster sets which make a bigger difference in gameplay but yet hide vamparism is a huge no to them yet probably use the outfit system to hide their real gear. I think this change would help purge a huge number of players that treat vampirism like a stat increase with little drawback and less people will feel forced to ruin their characters appearance with it.

You go to your room and think about what you just said!

dazee

Time to punish those vampires!

Luthivar

To me, their ugliness is a huge drawback. I have only 2 vamps; 1 wears a mask and the other one if a crazy dwemer-scientist who got bitten in Galom Daeus. Either it fits RP or it isn't worth to me to waste the time I spent during character creation.

Astrid

Here we go again.

bloodthirstyvampire

Oh wow she looks great even at stage 4 @Seri my compliments

Orticia

The sole reason I won't ever be a vampire is due to how they look... aka bloody awful in my opinion (and no a skin to hide it is a no go too as I find them all equally unwanted for my characters). So for me personal it is a huge, not to say the biggest drawback to them. I would have preferred them to simply be a tad paler if anything, maybe redden the eyes progressively, and require active slotting of the ultimate like werewolf has instead of the look.
Take the look away and i'd give vampirism a shot. That said I don't miss it either, save as a fun alternative to mess about with.

Lylith

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Before we make vampirism "more punishing" by forcing us to slot an ability, how about we give vamps FIVE spells?

Two spells plus a weak ultimate is not enough!

and how about we put some real teeth in those spells. make them hurt, give one of them a bleed.

Seri

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

Oh wow she looks great even at stage 4 @Seri my compliments

Haha. Thanks

dazee

Vampires are way too overdone and common in ESO and there probably should be significant downsides. Maybe make CP not counter the -fire resist.

Cinbri

Lylith wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Before we make vampirism "more punishing" by forcing us to slot an ability, how about we give vamps FIVE spells?

Two spells plus a weak ultimate is not enough!

and how about we put some real teeth in those spells. make them hurt, give one of them a bleed.

Vampirism is already no-brainer choice. Firstly we need drawback available for everyone that really punishing vampires (smth as strong but less cheesy like old Silver Shards), only then already no-brainer choice - become vampire, can be improved. Being ugly not a serious drawback for anyone beside roleplayers, and even this drawback was reduced by introduction of skins that allow to hide vampirism.

Yummy

They should have big time daytime punishment, like in Oblivion. They should melt while the sun shines. I hate vampires.

Vahrokh

I don't exactly care about vampires looks or whatever. Just that I am FORCED into being one if I want to cheat and overcome the dumb anti-regen politics ZOS imposed on their game.

Be a vampire and you have the single, most valued DPS and healer feature of all: bigger regen.

Downside? Look pale. Oh, yeah, that REALLY makes it!

Weakness to fire? Nah, I know no vampire who ever cares about fire damage in PvE.

MornaBaine

It would be great if they'd add a 5th stage to vampirism. Then the new Stage one could be normal/mortal and I'd be fine with it removing your passives. It's pretty quick and easy to either raise or lower your stage and that little bit of extra "work" to do so in order to get to the best stage for whatever activity you are about to undertake should be acceptable. If, however, they simply add this as a "skin"/toggle in the cash shop then it needs to be able to be applied to all stages. Why? Because if I have to pay real money just to make my character look as I intended them to look then having them look that way all the time should be at my discretion. If I WANT to show the various vamp stages I can just take it off.

ladymarisab14_ESO

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

• ...gaining a "Bite of Woe" when joining the dark brotherhood, so you finally no longer have to worry about both being on the same command and sometimes triggering the wrong one, but get one "DoItAll" bite attack that also counts in Sithis eyes for proper assassinations!
  

This please. I really only play my vampire to give out bites and for extra chances at reward boxes during events, nut I'll get around to being a real part of this debate eventually. However, I am definitely a DB fangirl and this causes me all sorts of problems. Especially when the npc wanders. Sure, I can line up and time it so im in the range of one and not the other, but most of this time, the npc moves at the last second and I feed instead of blade etc.

I get the lore behind the Blade though so even if we didn't go this route, I'd like to see the command for one of the two to be something other than x. :P

technohic

I prefer to run without it in PVP on my Stamplar. Use it on my NB fir stealth speed where I’m not going to sit there and eat the damage.

And health regen is under rated for a self sustaining toon. Otherwise Troll King would never have been popular. In PVE with dedicated healers it’s probably worthless.

Maybe they just need to up the amount of fire in PVE and have fighters guild using NPCs.

technohic

Joy_Division wrote: »

If ZOS had done something to give mortals their own advantages / skillline, than being vampire or werewolf might actually be meaningful choices rather than a power-grab.

Maybe if fighters guild or undaunted or something was locked behind being human.

BaneOfBattler

Competitiveness in PVE is pretty pointless and stupid.

Using the vampire excuse to do end game content makes no sense, it is stupid to say you need to be a vampire to complete endgame content. Im an imperial magicka templar and i completed every single dungeon and trial in vet mode without problems and being a remarkable healer/dps.

Learn your race, learn your class learn your limitations learn to play.

Vampires for pvp makes even less sense since they are weak to a fire dk or anything with fire or dawnbreakers, vampires are garbage, tried it twice cured it again. Remove vampirism.

LioraValkyrie

I have played without vampire for 2 years and do very well. I complete vMA flawless pretty much every time on my magsorc. So, I got vampire a couple of weeks ago because I changed rotations and thought it would help with sustain. The increase to recovery was not at all game-changing. What was game-changing was being reduced to a pile of ashes twice in rounds 8 and 9 to fire damage that I doubt I would have died to otherwise, and losing noticeable amounts of dps by having to recast ward more often in rounds involving any form of fire.

Needless, to say, I did a bit of swearing and then headed straight to the priest of Arkay. 668 gold well spent. Good riddance to that horrible curse!

bloodthirstyvampire

Emma_Overload wrote: »

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Before we make vampirism "more punishing" by forcing us to slot an ability, how about we give vamps FIVE spells?

Two spells plus a weak ultimate is not enough!

Weak since when I've wiped out entire zergs with coordinated bat swarm bombs all at the same time It melts everybody

Are you on EU server? Because I can't even remember the last time I saw someone using bats in PvP, much less kill someone with it. The damage is pitiful compared to the destro ult.

Its a combined attack devouring makes you immortal for a short time in large groups PSNA

bloodthirstyvampire

Vahrokh wrote: »

I don't exactly care about vampires looks or whatever. Just that I am FORCED into being one if I want to cheat and overcome the dumb anti-regen politics ZOS imposed on their game.

Be a vampire and you have the single, most valued DPS and healer feature of all: bigger regen.

Downside? Look pale. Oh, yeah, that REALLY makes it!

Weakness to fire? Nah, I know no vampire who ever cares about fire damage in PvE.

I know right feel the

SixVoltCar

How be they keep the increasingly disgusting monstrosity feel, but at least put forth an effort rather than directly plagiarizing Star Wars?