Are you OK with the upcoming jewelry craft grind?

VerboseQuips

I didn't mind grinding when there was a lot of other stuff to do and places to discover while doing it. Now it's getting tedious and repetitive.

XGCAlbatr0ss

Yes, this is just the right amount of grind for jewelry craft

lihentian wrote: »

sharquez wrote: »

If you had any delusions that this wasn't going to be a heck of a grind I hope this is your wake up call, After all, there needs to be an incentive to continue to pursue harder content. That said, I wouldn't mind too bad if they made it a tad easier but in for a penny in for a pound at this point.

Strange, i thought people are here to play game.. i never imagine anyone have too much time and welcome a insane level of grind for something you could acquire otherwise much easier ways.

Ley wrote: »

Everyone did just fine running around with the available jewelry up until now. Suddenly there's another way for them to get gold jewelry and they're complaining because they have to work for it. Typical.

you do realize the time it take to grind 240 gold mat.. right? it will literally cost millions to up one set three piece to gold. which you can also spend a fraction of time/gold and buy them from special vendor or do some trial. we are complaining because it is not a viable method.

LiquidPony wrote: »

On one hand, I do think the grind is a bit much.

On the other, I'm really enjoying seeing the same people who throw a hissy-fit at the suggestion that the CP grind should reduced complain about the jewelry crafting grind.

In fact, someone in this very thread posted the following when I suggested that Enlightenment be increased from 400k to 600k:

"So please, spare me the 'earning cp is too haarrrrdd' whining."

So please, spare me the "jewelry crafting is too haarrrrdd" whining.

so 240 gold mat for a set of three piece jewelry is actually not too much for you?

Again....why are you whining if its so easy to just acquire the gold jewelry in game. Oh and while your at it, please explain where i can find Mechanical Acuity Jewelry in game? Cant seem to find it anywhere but you said it was easy?? #rollseyes

Loralai_907

Yes, this is just the right amount of grind for jewelry craft

It will only be rubbish at first. But before we know it, we are all going to be up to our eyeballs in materials, just like everything else. I'm going to be farming so much. It's annoying. But I'll live.

I'm just hoping to work out some trades for traited pieces to research.

Akrasjel

I don't care

I won't be grinding

XGCAlbatr0ss

Yes, this is just the right amount of grind for jewelry craft

mommadani907 wrote: »

It will only be rubbish at first. But before we know it, we are all going to be up to our eyeballs in materials, just like everything else. I'm going to be farming so much. It's annoying. But I'll live.

I'm just hoping to work out some trades for traited pieces to research.

Right, first thing im going to do is get bloodthirsty, infused, arcane, robust and triune in that order.

Ley

Yes, this is just the right amount of grind for jewelry craft

lihentian wrote: »

Ley wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

sharquez wrote: »

If you had any delusions that this wasn't going to be a heck of a grind I hope this is your wake up call, After all, there needs to be an incentive to continue to pursue harder content. That said, I wouldn't mind too bad if they made it a tad easier but in for a penny in for a pound at this point.

Strange, i thought people are here to play game.. i never imagine anyone have too much time and welcome a insane level of grind for something you could acquire otherwise much easier ways.

Ley wrote: »

Everyone did just fine running around with the available jewelry up until now. Suddenly there's another way for them to get gold jewelry and they're complaining because they have to work for it. Typical.

you do realize the time it take to grind 240 gold mat.. right? it will literally cost millions to up one set three piece to gold. which you can also spend a fraction of time/gold and buy them from special vendor or do some trial. we are complaining because it is not a viable method.

Oh well, I guess I'll have to cough up the money or make due with purple/blue jewelry. Assuming I can't get it via other means in game.

Everyone seems to be fixated on the cost/grind to make gold jewelry. I'm just happy I'll be able to craft jewelry for sets that didn't have jewelry previously.

so you would pay around 2 million gold for one set upgrade.. maybe total 3 million for full set of three piece jewelry crafted? you do realize that they require 10 times more for every step of the crafting.. right? that include trait stone, and some trait stone are sold by special vendor only. like there is one that can only be purchase via master wirt merchant.

p.s. with the insane amount of mat required to do jewelry crafting, these mat are probably way more expensive then all current mat... 3 million is only a late game estimate at first release most likely will cost way more gold and effort.

While I don't even remotely agree with your random guesses of how much this will cost. Yes I would pay "insert arbitrary number here" for it or farm for the materials myself, if I felt like gold jewelry was the last thing I needed to complete my character.

If the jewelry is available by means other than crafting, I'll probably just buy it or farm for it; like I would today. If the only option is to craft it then I'll craft it and upgrade it to whatever quality I feel like paying for. If I end up running around with blue jewelry because I don't feel like spending the materials to upgrade, then I guess I'll have to find a way to live with myself.

KRBMMO

Totally, in fact i want more grind. lets make it 800 gold mat to golden a single piece of jewelry.

It's perfect:

What option did we have before? - Only three traits and Run a Vet hard mode dungeon 1,000 times if the RNG gods did not favor you. OR wait 6 months to never for that item to show up in the gold trader.

Now yes you will have a grind but at least at the end of it you're 90% guaranteed to have something to show for it.

Also you'll finally be able to wear 2 crafted 5-piece sets.

Just the transmute option alone for jewelry opens up so many options.

But they shouldn't just give it away to anyone who just shows up. If you want cool stuff like a unique jewelry set you have to work for it.

I also like that you can't sell it - so people who have somehow cheated their way into millions of gold can't just buy it. (I'm assuming if you have millions of gold from not cheating you have the patience necessary for the jewelry grind, lol.)

If you don't like the new jewelry crafting you can still do it the old way if you like. Do that endless dungeon crawl until you hate the game and still never get the stuff you want.

lihentian

Hell no, this is insane..

Ley wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

Ley wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

sharquez wrote: »

If you had any delusions that this wasn't going to be a heck of a grind I hope this is your wake up call, After all, there needs to be an incentive to continue to pursue harder content. That said, I wouldn't mind too bad if they made it a tad easier but in for a penny in for a pound at this point.

Strange, i thought people are here to play game.. i never imagine anyone have too much time and welcome a insane level of grind for something you could acquire otherwise much easier ways.

Ley wrote: »

Everyone did just fine running around with the available jewelry up until now. Suddenly there's another way for them to get gold jewelry and they're complaining because they have to work for it. Typical.

you do realize the time it take to grind 240 gold mat.. right? it will literally cost millions to up one set three piece to gold. which you can also spend a fraction of time/gold and buy them from special vendor or do some trial. we are complaining because it is not a viable method.

Oh well, I guess I'll have to cough up the money or make due with purple/blue jewelry. Assuming I can't get it via other means in game.

Everyone seems to be fixated on the cost/grind to make gold jewelry. I'm just happy I'll be able to craft jewelry for sets that didn't have jewelry previously.

so you would pay around 2 million gold for one set upgrade.. maybe total 3 million for full set of three piece jewelry crafted? you do realize that they require 10 times more for every step of the crafting.. right? that include trait stone, and some trait stone are sold by special vendor only. like there is one that can only be purchase via master wirt merchant.

p.s. with the insane amount of mat required to do jewelry crafting, these mat are probably way more expensive then all current mat... 3 million is only a late game estimate at first release most likely will cost way more gold and effort.

While I don't even remotely agree with your random guesses of how much this will cost. Yes I would pay "insert arbitrary number here" for it or farm for the materials myself, if I felt like gold jewelry was the last thing I needed to complete my character.

If the jewelry is available by means other than crafting, I'll probably just buy it or farm for it; like I would today. If the only option is to craft it then I'll craft it and upgrade it to whatever quality I feel like paying for. If I end up running around with blue jewelry because I don't feel like spending the materials to upgrade, then I guess I'll have to find a way to live with myself.

correct, as far as i know the chance of getting gold mat from refine base material is around 150:1 ( some say 200:1). you need 240 gold mat, which translate to 150*240 = 36000 base mat. lets say you get 3~5 base mat per harvest(normally 1~3 but lets say you were lucky you get double harvest from your cp ability almost every time) you will need to harvest 7200~12000 node. lets say you harvest 100 node every day, it will take you 72~120 days to craft one set of jewel..

but the real question is do you harvest 100 node everyday? and how long does it take you to harvest 100 specific node each day?

p.s. or you can buy gold ring and decon them... according to the video i link above decon 100 gold ring net you around 72 gold dust. so by logic you only need to decon 333 gold jewelry to have enough mat to upgrade one set of jewelry to gold.

Tasear

"true elite gear"

What do you mean?

lihentian

Hell no, this is insane..

Tasear wrote: »

"true elite gear"

What do you mean?

they talk about it on eso live, am not sure if it is on pts. but they said there will be a better version of gold gear that are superior to normal drop, that can only be acquire through veteran hard trial.. i don't have any further detail on this.. if you are interest you might want to check out the eso live past episode

Gilvoth

Yes, this is just the right amount of grind for jewelry craft

i think it is high time we Master Crafters start getting Paid True Gold Value for the hard Work we are putting into what we make!

lihentian

Hell no, this is insane..

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i think it is high time we Master Crafters start getting Paid True Gold Value for the hard Work we are putting into what we make!

hmm how so? leveling jewelry craft isn't much hard, most will probably reach level 50 in first week. it is mat is the issue here..... basically you can craft, but you can't craft anything unless you paid millions of gold for mat.. or you can harvest node like mad for several month and you might be able to make one set of jewelry..

Gilvoth

Yes, this is just the right amount of grind for jewelry craft

lihentian wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i think it is high time we Master Crafters start getting Paid True Gold Value for the hard Work we are putting into what we make!

hmm how so? leveling jewelry craft isn't much hard, most will probably reach level 50 in first week. it is mat is the issue here..... basically you can craft, but you can't craft anything unless you paid millions of gold for mat.. or you can harvest node like mad for several month and you might be able to make one set of jewelry..

yeah, i read what you said.

lihentian

Hell no, this is insane..

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i think it is high time we Master Crafters start getting Paid True Gold Value for the hard Work we are putting into what we make!

hmm how so? leveling jewelry craft isn't much hard, most will probably reach level 50 in first week. it is mat is the issue here..... basically you can craft, but you can't craft anything unless you paid millions of gold for mat.. or you can harvest node like mad for several month and you might be able to make one set of jewelry..

yeah, i read what you said.

then how do we crafter make more gold? confused, please do explain..

Ley

Yes, this is just the right amount of grind for jewelry craft

lihentian wrote: »

Ley wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

Ley wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

sharquez wrote: »

If you had any delusions that this wasn't going to be a heck of a grind I hope this is your wake up call, After all, there needs to be an incentive to continue to pursue harder content. That said, I wouldn't mind too bad if they made it a tad easier but in for a penny in for a pound at this point.

Strange, i thought people are here to play game.. i never imagine anyone have too much time and welcome a insane level of grind for something you could acquire otherwise much easier ways.

Ley wrote: »

Everyone did just fine running around with the available jewelry up until now. Suddenly there's another way for them to get gold jewelry and they're complaining because they have to work for it. Typical.

you do realize the time it take to grind 240 gold mat.. right? it will literally cost millions to up one set three piece to gold. which you can also spend a fraction of time/gold and buy them from special vendor or do some trial. we are complaining because it is not a viable method.

Oh well, I guess I'll have to cough up the money or make due with purple/blue jewelry. Assuming I can't get it via other means in game.

Everyone seems to be fixated on the cost/grind to make gold jewelry. I'm just happy I'll be able to craft jewelry for sets that didn't have jewelry previously.

so you would pay around 2 million gold for one set upgrade.. maybe total 3 million for full set of three piece jewelry crafted? you do realize that they require 10 times more for every step of the crafting.. right? that include trait stone, and some trait stone are sold by special vendor only. like there is one that can only be purchase via master wirt merchant.

p.s. with the insane amount of mat required to do jewelry crafting, these mat are probably way more expensive then all current mat... 3 million is only a late game estimate at first release most likely will cost way more gold and effort.

While I don't even remotely agree with your random guesses of how much this will cost. Yes I would pay "insert arbitrary number here" for it or farm for the materials myself, if I felt like gold jewelry was the last thing I needed to complete my character.

If the jewelry is available by means other than crafting, I'll probably just buy it or farm for it; like I would today. If the only option is to craft it then I'll craft it and upgrade it to whatever quality I feel like paying for. If I end up running around with blue jewelry because I don't feel like spending the materials to upgrade, then I guess I'll have to find a way to live with myself.

correct, as far as i know the chance of getting gold mat from refine base material is around 150:1 ( some say 200:1). you need 240 gold mat, which translate to 150*240 = 36000 base mat. lets say you get 3~5 base mat per harvest(normally 1~3 but lets say you were lucky you get double harvest from your cp ability almost every time) you will need to harvest 7200~12000 node. lets say you harvest 100 node every day, it will take you 72~120 days to craft one set of jewel..

but the real question is do you harvest 100 node everyday? and how long does it take you to harvest 100 specific node each day?

p.s. or you can buy gold ring and decon them... according to the video i link above decon 100 gold ring net you around 72 gold dust. so by logic you only need to decon 333 gold jewelry to have enough mat to upgrade one set of jewelry to gold.

This conversation is no longer constructive. We're going around in circles. You seem to ignore anything I say that doesn't agree with your point of view.

lihentian

Hell no, this is insane..

Ley wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

Ley wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

Ley wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

sharquez wrote: »

If you had any delusions that this wasn't going to be a heck of a grind I hope this is your wake up call, After all, there needs to be an incentive to continue to pursue harder content. That said, I wouldn't mind too bad if they made it a tad easier but in for a penny in for a pound at this point.

Strange, i thought people are here to play game.. i never imagine anyone have too much time and welcome a insane level of grind for something you could acquire otherwise much easier ways.

Ley wrote: »

Everyone did just fine running around with the available jewelry up until now. Suddenly there's another way for them to get gold jewelry and they're complaining because they have to work for it. Typical.

you do realize the time it take to grind 240 gold mat.. right? it will literally cost millions to up one set three piece to gold. which you can also spend a fraction of time/gold and buy them from special vendor or do some trial. we are complaining because it is not a viable method.

Oh well, I guess I'll have to cough up the money or make due with purple/blue jewelry. Assuming I can't get it via other means in game.

Everyone seems to be fixated on the cost/grind to make gold jewelry. I'm just happy I'll be able to craft jewelry for sets that didn't have jewelry previously.

so you would pay around 2 million gold for one set upgrade.. maybe total 3 million for full set of three piece jewelry crafted? you do realize that they require 10 times more for every step of the crafting.. right? that include trait stone, and some trait stone are sold by special vendor only. like there is one that can only be purchase via master wirt merchant.

p.s. with the insane amount of mat required to do jewelry crafting, these mat are probably way more expensive then all current mat... 3 million is only a late game estimate at first release most likely will cost way more gold and effort.

While I don't even remotely agree with your random guesses of how much this will cost. Yes I would pay "insert arbitrary number here" for it or farm for the materials myself, if I felt like gold jewelry was the last thing I needed to complete my character.

If the jewelry is available by means other than crafting, I'll probably just buy it or farm for it; like I would today. If the only option is to craft it then I'll craft it and upgrade it to whatever quality I feel like paying for. If I end up running around with blue jewelry because I don't feel like spending the materials to upgrade, then I guess I'll have to find a way to live with myself.

correct, as far as i know the chance of getting gold mat from refine base material is around 150:1 ( some say 200:1). you need 240 gold mat, which translate to 150*240 = 36000 base mat. lets say you get 3~5 base mat per harvest(normally 1~3 but lets say you were lucky you get double harvest from your cp ability almost every time) you will need to harvest 7200~12000 node. lets say you harvest 100 node every day, it will take you 72~120 days to craft one set of jewel..

but the real question is do you harvest 100 node everyday? and how long does it take you to harvest 100 specific node each day?

p.s. or you can buy gold ring and decon them... according to the video i link above decon 100 gold ring net you around 72 gold dust. so by logic you only need to decon 333 gold jewelry to have enough mat to upgrade one set of jewelry to gold.

This conversation is no longer constructive. We're going around in circles. You seem to ignore anything I say that doesn't agree with your point of view.

by all means, if you have something to say, say it.. because i don't really see your point here.. am replying to many, so might have miss a point or two, please do enlighten me.

DMuehlhausen

Totally, in fact i want more grind. lets make it 800 gold mat to golden a single piece of jewelry.

You shouldn't be able to hoard stuff over years and be maxed in one day. Deal with it.

lihentian

Hell no, this is insane..

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

You shouldn't be able to hoard stuff over years and be maxed in one day. Deal with it.

hoard stuff over years? all current jewelry cannot be deconstruct for material, or used in trait research. we have no access to jewelry crafting material.. care to explain?

Riptide

Yes, but it seems a bit much - which is not an option.

My reasoning is that better to be able to tune it down with the market than the heartburn/unfair situation of realizing its too easy, then nerfing it, but only after the early adopters benefit.

The open world + market adds a whole different dynamic to the mix.

And if the OP posts an obtuse rebuttal know I’m not interested in a debate. Asked. Answered.

lihentian

Hell no, this is insane..

Riptide wrote: »

Yes, but it seems a bit much - which is not an option.

My reasoning is that better to be able to tune it down with the market than the heartburn/unfair situation of realizing its too easy, then nerfing it, but only after the early adopters benefit.

The open world + market adds a whole different dynamic to the mix.

And if the OP posts an obtuse rebuttal know I’m not interested in a debate. Asked. Answered.

XD actually am quite free at the moment. so you think this might benefit the market? how so? please do explain

XGCAlbatr0ss

Yes, this is just the right amount of grind for jewelry craft

I feel like this dude is trolling all of us lol. All he says it’s its gonna be hard to get mats so there’s no point in crafting it. Just to go farm it because there’s elite gear coming out? Makes no sense, I’m done trying to argue my point. I’ll enjoy the crafting when it comes out.

lihentian

Hell no, this is insane..

XGCAlbatr0ss wrote: »

I feel like this dude is trolling all of us lol. All he says it’s its gonna be hard to get mats so there’s no point in crafting it. Just to go farm it because there’s elite gear coming out? Makes no sense, I’m done trying to argue my point. I’ll enjoy the crafting when it comes out.

no am not saying there is no point in crafting. am saying it is not worth doing the crafting. since drop/buy directly from vendor is so much more viable. but if you really want to do it, you can. and i like the crafting difficulty on par with trial and gold vendor.

Aleris

what's this true elite gear? this is actually in contrast from something i heard on a live stream where the devs were playing on ps and were saying " in our game we have crafted sets just as powerful as dropped gear ". so this thing of elite dropped gear would be in contrast to this thing.. and would also disappoint me a lot

lihentian

Hell no, this is insane..

Aleris wrote: »

what's this true elite gear? this is actually in contrast from something i heard on a live stream where the devs were playing on ps and were saying " in our game we have crafted sets just as powerful as dropped gear ". so this thing of elite dropped gear would be in contrast to this thing.. and would also disappoint me a lot

not sure, i like to know the exact detail as well. but they only say that there will be a higher stats gear that can only be acquire through veteran hard mode, also i believe they have different skin as well. maybe something that glow? hopefully something nice

majulook

Yes, this is just the right amount of grind for jewelry craft

I think this is just what the game needs. prices on most things have drop dramatically in the past year. Even Motif prices are way down due to the Aniversary gift boxes.

If you want to make a lot of gold fast mine the ore and sell it or farm jewelry that drops after Summerset.

1. Everyone can mine the ore you do not need Summerset.

2. I believe I read that ore you find will be based on 2 things your level in the game and your JC level (this is the same as any other crafting skill line).

3.The value of all dropped jewelry which can be deconned, I expect will go up dramatically, as players race to get JC completed

4. It will to be a bit of a grind, and mats will be priced high for a while. Look at the prices of new mats that were needed for furniture crafting they were very high at first.

5. Its a game relax have fun if you find its not fun don't do it. If it really bothers you then... Can I have you stuff when you quite the game?

lihentian

Hell no, this is insane..

majulook wrote: »

I think this is just what the game needs. prices on most things have drop dramatically in the past year. Even Motif prices are way down due to the Aniversary gift boxes.

If you want to make a lot of gold fast mine the ore and sell it or farm jewelry that drops after Summerset.

1. Everyone can mine the ore you do not need Summerset.

2. I believe I read that ore you find will be based on 2 things your level in the game and your JC level (this is the same as any other crafting skill line).

3.The value of all dropped jewelry which can be deconned, I expect will go up dramatically, as players race to get JC completed

4. It will to be a bit of a grind, and mats will be priced high for a while. Look at the prices of new mats that were needed for furniture crafting they were very high at first.

5. Its a game relax have fun if you find its not fun don't do it. If it really bothers you then... Can I have you stuff when you quite the game?

ture, though i doubt many people will even consider this method of obtain gold jewelry. since they can be purchase from gold vendor directly or from trial... basically you buy from vendor you pay like 150k gold? craft one yourself cost million..

though i do see your point, anywayz.. gtg ill come back tomorrow XD

Fischblut

Hell no, this is insane..

I really dislike the fact that new jewelry nodes are not "new" but rather take place of blacksmithing nodes randomly; and also this weird x10 design for trait stones and upgrade materials

MLGProPlayer

Yes, this is just the right amount of grind for jewelry craft

lihentian wrote: »

3rd, they are releasing true elite gear which are superior to normal gold equipment that can only be acquire through veteran hard trial. so crafting and normal gold equipment are now inferior

I'm going to need a link. I haven't heard anything about "elite gear".

Moloch1514

Hell no, this is insane..

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

lihentian wrote: »

3rd, they are releasing true elite gear which are superior to normal gold equipment that can only be acquire through veteran hard trial. so crafting and normal gold equipment are now inferior

I'm going to need a link. I haven't heard anything about "elite gear".

I feel like they are getting confused with the Perfected versions of the new Trial Gear, which are better than the normal versions.

Tabbycat

I don't care

I'll get it done eventually.