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Jewelry crafting is grindy
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craigr02✭✭✭Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and maybe it wont be to hard to get 80 x 3 grains for all pieces, if you're maxed out on all passives, plus i do vet trials, so ill have crap jewelery that i xan deconstruct for mats.
I honestly dont mind the grinding up jc, just the roi on farming mats, it shouldnt take 20000 raw mats to get 80 gains for example.Edited by craigr02 on April 30, 2018 2:50PM0 -
lihentian✭✭✭✭✭some degree of grind is effort, but the current grind is way too much, not only the gold upgrade is hard. all form of jewelry crafting require way too much grind. they are already making special superior jewelry that are only acquirable from vet hard trial. so why is it so bad to make it easier to make everyone ready for trial??
it is really hard to run trial atm, and one of the reason is gearing.. i don't think it should be a privilege to be able to gear up to run raid.. the cp grind is already bad enough for new player.2 -
Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭some degree of grind is effort, but the current grind is way too much, not only the gold upgrade is hard. all form of jewelry crafting require way too much grind. they are already making special superior jewelry that are only acquirable from vet hard trial. so why is it so bad to make it easier to make everyone ready for trial??
it is really hard to run trial atm, and one of the reason is gearing.. i don't think it should be a privilege to be able to gear up to run raid.. the cp grind is already bad enough for new player.
Gearing? You can farm any normal to get all the possible gear you can ever need. And no, upgraiding your jewelry to gold is not giving you 10k DPS you are missing.1 -
Iselin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭some degree of grind is effort, but the current grind is way too much, not only the gold upgrade is hard. all form of jewelry crafting require way too much grind. they are already making special superior jewelry that are only acquirable from vet hard trial. so why is it so bad to make it easier to make everyone ready for trial??
it is really hard to run trial atm, and one of the reason is gearing.. i don't think it should be a privilege to be able to gear up to run raid.. the cp grind is already bad enough for new player.
Gearing? You can farm any normal to get all the possible gear you can ever need. And no, upgraiding your jewelry to gold is not giving you 10k DPS you are missing.
I don't think many know that this is the reality (from Alcasthq):- 2610 Magicka – Player 1 wearing full gold jewelry
- 2520 Magicka – Player 2 wearing full purple jewelry
That's a lot of grind and/or gold for 90 magicka
Edited by Iselin on April 30, 2018 2:28PM4 -
drake88131✭✭✭Real question is how much are they going to sell for at traders. Saving my gold to buy them all...lol jkEdited by drake88131 on April 30, 2018 2:28PM0 -
Apache_Kid✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭some degree of grind is effort, but the current grind is way too much, not only the gold upgrade is hard. all form of jewelry crafting require way too much grind. they are already making special superior jewelry that are only acquirable from vet hard trial. so why is it so bad to make it easier to make everyone ready for trial??
it is really hard to run trial atm, and one of the reason is gearing.. i don't think it should be a privilege to be able to gear up to run raid.. the cp grind is already bad enough for new player.
Gearing? You can farm any normal to get all the possible gear you can ever need. And no, upgraiding your jewelry to gold is not giving you 10k DPS you are missing.
Thats the problem. Why does it cost 80 grains to go from purple to gold when the gain is so minimal?
The cost does not reflect the benefit in the slightest.
It's like that way on live with current gear but 80 is a hell of a lot more than what we need now for anything.0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭some degree of grind is effort, but the current grind is way too much, not only the gold upgrade is hard. all form of jewelry crafting require way too much grind. they are already making special superior jewelry that are only acquirable from vet hard trial. so why is it so bad to make it easier to make everyone ready for trial??
it is really hard to run trial atm, and one of the reason is gearing.. i don't think it should be a privilege to be able to gear up to run raid.. the cp grind is already bad enough for new player.
Gearing? You can farm any normal to get all the possible gear you can ever need. And no, upgraiding your jewelry to gold is not giving you 10k DPS you are missing.
I don't think many know that this is the reality (from Alcasthq):- 2610 Magicka – Player 1 wearing full gold jewelry
- 2520 Magicka – Player 2 wearing full purple jewelry
That's a lot of grind and/or gold for 90 magicka
To be honest, that's kinda the story on live. The actual power gap between purple and gold is very narrow. The only place it really matters is on weapons, where the actual weapon/spell power difference runs around 200. For everything else, gold gear is mostly just bragging rights.2 -
Apache_Kid✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »some degree of grind is effort, but the current grind is way too much, not only the gold upgrade is hard. all form of jewelry crafting require way too much grind. they are already making special superior jewelry that are only acquirable from vet hard trial. so why is it so bad to make it easier to make everyone ready for trial??
it is really hard to run trial atm, and one of the reason is gearing.. i don't think it should be a privilege to be able to gear up to run raid.. the cp grind is already bad enough for new player.
Gearing? You can farm any normal to get all the possible gear you can ever need. And no, upgraiding your jewelry to gold is not giving you 10k DPS you are missing.
I don't think many know that this is the reality (from Alcasthq):- 2610 Magicka – Player 1 wearing full gold jewelry
- 2520 Magicka – Player 2 wearing full purple jewelry
That's a lot of grind and/or gold for 90 magicka
To be honest, that's kinda the story on live. The actual power gap between purple and gold is very narrow. The only place it really matters is on weapons, where the actual weapon/spell power difference runs around 200. For everything else, gold gear is mostly just bragging rights.
It should be as much as it is on live to upgrade to gold then because we are getting the same marginal benefit. No reason for numbers like 80 to be thrown around.1 -
Ley✭✭✭✭✭
✭starkerealm wrote: »some degree of grind is effort, but the current grind is way too much, not only the gold upgrade is hard. all form of jewelry crafting require way too much grind. they are already making special superior jewelry that are only acquirable from vet hard trial. so why is it so bad to make it easier to make everyone ready for trial??
it is really hard to run trial atm, and one of the reason is gearing.. i don't think it should be a privilege to be able to gear up to run raid.. the cp grind is already bad enough for new player.
Gearing? You can farm any normal to get all the possible gear you can ever need. And no, upgraiding your jewelry to gold is not giving you 10k DPS you are missing.
I don't think many know that this is the reality (from Alcasthq):- 2610 Magicka – Player 1 wearing full gold jewelry
- 2520 Magicka – Player 2 wearing full purple jewelry
That's a lot of grind and/or gold for 90 magicka
To be honest, that's kinda the story on live. The actual power gap between purple and gold is very narrow. The only place it really matters is on weapons, where the actual weapon/spell power difference runs around 200. For everything else, gold gear is mostly just bragging rights.
At some point you run out of ways to improve your characters gear. That's when I'd consider golding your jewelry to be a reasonable expense.Leylith - MagSorc | Leyloth - StamPlar | Leynerd - MagPlar | Leylit - StamBlade | Ley Eviticus - StamDK | Leydor - MagDen | Leylum - StamSorc | Leylux - MagBlade0 -
Stinkyremy✭✭✭✭✭some degree of grind is effort, but the current grind is way too much, not only the gold upgrade is hard. all form of jewelry crafting require way too much grind. they are already making special superior jewelry that are only acquirable from vet hard trial. so why is it so bad to make it easier to make everyone ready for trial??
it is really hard to run trial atm, and one of the reason is gearing.. i don't think it should be a privilege to be able to gear up to run raid.. the cp grind is already bad enough for new player.
Gearing? You can farm any normal to get all the possible gear you can ever need. And no, upgraiding your jewelry to gold is not giving you 10k DPS you are missing.
I don't think many know that this is the reality (from Alcasthq):- 2610 Magicka – Player 1 wearing full gold jewelry
- 2520 Magicka – Player 2 wearing full purple jewelry
That's a lot of grind and/or gold for 90 magicka
it is more than that though isn't it?
Iirc the 5th set bonus depends on if you have all blue, purple gold.
So for example if you had 5 piece blue julianos, 3 jewellery 2 armour, the 5th set bonus would be like 270 spell dam, where all gold would be 299.
Been a while since I have seen the difference of this in game but I know there is a difference in between colours when completing a set, not just the extra 30 stam/mag/health from robust/arcane/healthy jewellery0 -
Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Stinkyremy wrote: »some degree of grind is effort, but the current grind is way too much, not only the gold upgrade is hard. all form of jewelry crafting require way too much grind. they are already making special superior jewelry that are only acquirable from vet hard trial. so why is it so bad to make it easier to make everyone ready for trial??
it is really hard to run trial atm, and one of the reason is gearing.. i don't think it should be a privilege to be able to gear up to run raid.. the cp grind is already bad enough for new player.
Gearing? You can farm any normal to get all the possible gear you can ever need. And no, upgraiding your jewelry to gold is not giving you 10k DPS you are missing.
I don't think many know that this is the reality (from Alcasthq):- 2610 Magicka – Player 1 wearing full gold jewelry
- 2520 Magicka – Player 2 wearing full purple jewelry
That's a lot of grind and/or gold for 90 magicka
it is more than that though isn't it?
Iirc the 5th set bonus depends on if you have all blue, purple gold.
So for example if you had 5 piece blue julianos, 3 jewellery 2 armour, the 5th set bonus would be like 270 spell dam, where all gold would be 299.
Been a while since I have seen the difference of this in game but I know there is a difference in between colours when completing a set, not just the extra 30 stam/mag/health from robust/arcane/healthy jewellery
The difference is negligible. Maybe you'll get 2-3k DPS from it at most. And this is a big maybe.0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »some degree of grind is effort, but the current grind is way too much, not only the gold upgrade is hard. all form of jewelry crafting require way too much grind. they are already making special superior jewelry that are only acquirable from vet hard trial. so why is it so bad to make it easier to make everyone ready for trial??
it is really hard to run trial atm, and one of the reason is gearing.. i don't think it should be a privilege to be able to gear up to run raid.. the cp grind is already bad enough for new player.
Gearing? You can farm any normal to get all the possible gear you can ever need. And no, upgraiding your jewelry to gold is not giving you 10k DPS you are missing.
I don't think many know that this is the reality (from Alcasthq):- 2610 Magicka – Player 1 wearing full gold jewelry
- 2520 Magicka – Player 2 wearing full purple jewelry
That's a lot of grind and/or gold for 90 magicka
To be honest, that's kinda the story on live. The actual power gap between purple and gold is very narrow. The only place it really matters is on weapons, where the actual weapon/spell power difference runs around 200. For everything else, gold gear is mostly just bragging rights.
At some point you run out of ways to improve your characters gear. That's when I'd consider golding your jewelry to be a reasonable expense.
Yeah, that's pretty much where I end up, and why I'm honestly okay with this. The actual mat costs to go to gold are kinda absurd, but at the same time, that is just the last fraction of a percent to maxing out a character's gear, so it tracks.
I'm not happy about the upgrade costs, but I am okay with them.Edited by starkerealm on April 30, 2018 2:52PM0 -
Stinkyremy✭✭✭✭✭Stinkyremy wrote: »some degree of grind is effort, but the current grind is way too much, not only the gold upgrade is hard. all form of jewelry crafting require way too much grind. they are already making special superior jewelry that are only acquirable from vet hard trial. so why is it so bad to make it easier to make everyone ready for trial??
it is really hard to run trial atm, and one of the reason is gearing.. i don't think it should be a privilege to be able to gear up to run raid.. the cp grind is already bad enough for new player.
Gearing? You can farm any normal to get all the possible gear you can ever need. And no, upgraiding your jewelry to gold is not giving you 10k DPS you are missing.
I don't think many know that this is the reality (from Alcasthq):- 2610 Magicka – Player 1 wearing full gold jewelry
- 2520 Magicka – Player 2 wearing full purple jewelry
That's a lot of grind and/or gold for 90 magicka
it is more than that though isn't it?
Iirc the 5th set bonus depends on if you have all blue, purple gold.
So for example if you had 5 piece blue julianos, 3 jewellery 2 armour, the 5th set bonus would be like 270 spell dam, where all gold would be 299.
Been a while since I have seen the difference of this in game but I know there is a difference in between colours when completing a set, not just the extra 30 stam/mag/health from robust/arcane/healthy jewellery
The difference is negligible. Maybe you'll get 2-3k DPS from it at most. And this is a big maybe.
That is a big difference to a DPS.
Still you wan't to have the best gear you can have.
Anyway I was just pointing out that the benefits of all gold isn't just the extra 30 resources from each of the jewellery.0 -
craigr02✭✭✭some degree of grind is effort, but the current grind is way too much, not only the gold upgrade is hard. all form of jewelry crafting require way too much grind. they are already making special superior jewelry that are only acquirable from vet hard trial. so why is it so bad to make it easier to make everyone ready for trial??
it is really hard to run trial atm, and one of the reason is gearing.. i don't think it should be a privilege to be able to gear up to run raid.. the cp grind is already bad enough for new player.
Gearing? You can farm any normal to get all the possible gear you can ever need. And no, upgraiding your jewelry to gold is not giving you 10k DPS you are missing.
I don't think many know that this is the reality (from Alcasthq):- 2610 Magicka – Player 1 wearing full gold jewelry
- 2520 Magicka – Player 2 wearing full purple jewelry
That's a lot of grind and/or gold for 90 magicka
Yes, but the big thing on the set bonus, for example going from purple to gold on damage increase + the magika increase is where ot adds up, you can get over 1000 extra dps, and if youre a min maxer it matters.1 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭some degree of grind is effort, but the current grind is way too much, not only the gold upgrade is hard. all form of jewelry crafting require way too much grind. they are already making special superior jewelry that are only acquirable from vet hard trial. so why is it so bad to make it easier to make everyone ready for trial??
it is really hard to run trial atm, and one of the reason is gearing.. i don't think it should be a privilege to be able to gear up to run raid.. the cp grind is already bad enough for new player.
Gearing? You can farm any normal to get all the possible gear you can ever need. And no, upgraiding your jewelry to gold is not giving you 10k DPS you are missing.
I don't think many know that this is the reality (from Alcasthq):- 2610 Magicka – Player 1 wearing full gold jewelry
- 2520 Magicka – Player 2 wearing full purple jewelry
That's a lot of grind and/or gold for 90 magicka
Yes, but the big thing on the set bonus, for example going from purple to gold on damage increase + the magika increase is where ot adds up, you can get over 1000 extra dps, and if youre a min maxer it matters.
Uh... no. Or at least, not from upgrading jewelry to gold. The difference between a 5pc set where 2pc are gold and 3 are purple, and one where all 5pcs are gold is often in the range of 3 weapon damage or less than 50 to a stat. A stat, if you'll recall, that will be somewhere between 30k and 50k.
The reason is how the game calculates the value for set bonuses. Each piece of gear has a fixed value for each set bonus. For example, a weapon or spell damage increase on a gold piece of 160 gear will be 129, while the same bonus on a purple piece will be 124. However, the game calculates the received bonus by taking each piece of gear for that set and averaging them together (to be fair, it may only take the top five, if you have more than five pieces equipped, I'm not sure), meaning that upgrading an individual piece of gear from purple to gold will often only result in an actual stat increase of only one or two points.
In the case of attributes, it will go from 922 to 967. (As with everything else, the health bonuses are slightly larger. I want to say it's 1024 to 1108 or something like that, but I can't remember the exact numbers.)
So, there is a benefit to full gold, but it's not very large. Getting a full 1k DPS out of that? I mean, maybe. But, I kinda suspect the difference is more marginal than that. You can get at least an extra 1k off of upgrading your weapons, due to how the actual item scores scale, but that's the big thing.0 -
Vanthras79✭✭✭✭✭Did you really expect ZOS would make it not a grind? RNG and grinds are sorta their thing.Norion Germain - Telvanni Wizard, Covenant Battle Mage, Mage's Guild Magister, Resident of Daggerfall Overlook, Lord of Tel Galen, Psijic Monk, Antiquarian, Breton Scholar, and Traveler.0 -
Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Stinkyremy wrote: »Stinkyremy wrote: »some degree of grind is effort, but the current grind is way too much, not only the gold upgrade is hard. all form of jewelry crafting require way too much grind. they are already making special superior jewelry that are only acquirable from vet hard trial. so why is it so bad to make it easier to make everyone ready for trial??
it is really hard to run trial atm, and one of the reason is gearing.. i don't think it should be a privilege to be able to gear up to run raid.. the cp grind is already bad enough for new player.
Gearing? You can farm any normal to get all the possible gear you can ever need. And no, upgraiding your jewelry to gold is not giving you 10k DPS you are missing.
I don't think many know that this is the reality (from Alcasthq):- 2610 Magicka – Player 1 wearing full gold jewelry
- 2520 Magicka – Player 2 wearing full purple jewelry
That's a lot of grind and/or gold for 90 magicka
it is more than that though isn't it?
Iirc the 5th set bonus depends on if you have all blue, purple gold.
So for example if you had 5 piece blue julianos, 3 jewellery 2 armour, the 5th set bonus would be like 270 spell dam, where all gold would be 299.
Been a while since I have seen the difference of this in game but I know there is a difference in between colours when completing a set, not just the extra 30 stam/mag/health from robust/arcane/healthy jewellery
The difference is negligible. Maybe you'll get 2-3k DPS from it at most. And this is a big maybe.
That is a big difference to a DPS.
Still you wan't to have the best gear you can have.
Anyway I was just pointing out that the benefits of all gold isn't just the extra 30 resources from each of the jewellery.
Maybe I've worded it wrong. 2-3k is not a negligible difference. But golding out everything is worth it if you want to get from 40 to 45k. It is not worth it for majority of people who are trying to hit the 30k bar though. They won't see that increase because they have a more significant underlying issue with their DPS.
So my point, that gold jewelry is not in any way or form necessary for joining any trials in the game, still stays.0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It takes 100x the mats than other craft lines. I’d call that a bit extreme.
The simple answer is that upgrading has the same, basic, costs as any other equipment line. You need 8 Chromium Bars (I think it's Chromium, anyway), to upgrade from purple to gold. The hard part is you get the actual upgrade mats in an unrefined state. So you need 10 Chromium dust to make one bar, then you can use 8 bars to upgrade your purple to gold. The total cost works out to be ~*10 more than with the other crafting lines. Not *100.
So, gold jewelry won't be spilling all over the place, but it will be obtainable, it'll just take a bit more cash or refinements.
Actual jewelry crafting has the same basic costs. So, a 160 Ring will set you back 100 Platinum Ounces, while a 160 Neck will require 150 Platinum Ounces. It's just upgrading that's expensive.
Also, trait stones are often received in a similar, unrefined, state, though not always. Less of an issue, because we'll still end up drowning in Jewelry trait stones within a couple months, but it's not going to be as common.Edited by starkerealm on April 30, 2018 3:35PM0 -
Colecovision✭✭✭✭✭
✭It’s supposed to be an elder scrolls game. Wander around, enjoy the beauty and farm some. This isn’t anything like that and the bots are going to leave most of us out of the process.
For those talking about people wanting to have things handed to them, I’d like a relaxing crafting experience handed to me. I’d like competitive flower picking to be written out of the game. This is paid entertainment, not an unpaid internship.5 -
Apache_Kid✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Colecovision wrote: »It’s supposed to be an elder scrolls game. Wander around, enjoy the beauty and farm some. This isn’t anything like that and the bots are going to leave most of us out of the process.
For those talking about people wanting to have things handed to them, I’d like a relaxing crafting experience handed to me. I’d like competitive flower picking to be written out of the game. This is paid entertainment, not an unpaid internship.
Oh man but it feels like it sometimes...1 -
Chaos2088✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I liked that it would be harder to upgrade than other gear slots but 80 grains to upgrade purple to gold...is abit too much.@Chaos2088 PC EU Server | AD-PvP1 -
starlizard70ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭some degree of grind is effort, but the current grind is way too much, not only the gold upgrade is hard. all form of jewelry crafting require way too much grind. they are already making special superior jewelry that are only acquirable from vet hard trial. so why is it so bad to make it easier to make everyone ready for trial??
it is really hard to run trial atm, and one of the reason is gearing.. i don't think it should be a privilege to be able to gear up to run raid.. the cp grind is already bad enough for new player.
Gearing? You can farm any normal to get all the possible gear you can ever need. And no, upgraiding your jewelry to gold is not giving you 10k DPS you are missing.
I don't think many know that this is the reality (from Alcasthq):- 2610 Magicka – Player 1 wearing full gold jewelry
- 2520 Magicka – Player 2 wearing full purple jewelry
That's a lot of grind and/or gold for 90 magicka
But there are max/min people who will nearly kill themselves for that extra 90 points
"We have found a cave, but I don't think there are warm fires and friendly faces inside."0 -
Motherball✭✭✭✭Just one more thing I’ll begrudginly ignore in this game. Thankfully I dont need a sub to do quests.2 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Colecovision wrote: »It’s supposed to be an elder scrolls game. Wander around, enjoy the beauty and farm some. This isn’t anything like that and the bots are going to leave most of us out of the process.
For those talking about people wanting to have things handed to them, I’d like a relaxing crafting experience handed to me. I’d like competitive flower picking to be written out of the game. This is paid entertainment, not an unpaid internship.
See, I use to wander around picking flowers for hours for fun in TES IV: Oblivion...
So I love farming reagents to sell in this game.1