Dark Cloak and NB tanking.

Alcast

KRBMMO wrote: »

aeowulf wrote: »

Jerkling wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

First why do we need a tanking skill we don’t have powers to make use good tanks. [...]

says who? have you ever actually played a NB tank? it's true that NBs are lacking in CC but if you have a good group you won't need it anyways since trash gets cleared fast and imho NB tanks are hands down the most OP boss tanks there are if you know how to play them. I can solo alot/most dungeon bosses on vet HM with mine if need be (just takes forever) and the sustain is infinite even w/o popping any potions.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

[...] Everyone does not need to be half *** tanks. Nightblade Tanks will never be as good as DKs or Wardens. [...]

if you really believe that then you have clearly no idea how to NB tank or how to adjust your abilities and/or gear to specific tasks in a fight...

Silver_Strider wrote: »

[...] people are sick of it being the only consistent endgame tank for 4 f***ing years. Warden was a breathe of fresh air after nothing but DK tanks and while still not on the same level as DK, are fairly close. [...]

again, says who (not the people are being sick part but the endgame tank part)? i keep seing templar tanks being used as much as DKs and being equally viable.
also, my NB tank can tank The Serpents bomb thingy in vSO HM. can yours? [i mean no offense by that, just trying to show that all classes are able to be consistens endgame tanks]

To answer the 'says who' part - basically everyone who runs build websites on the internet, so the likes of @Alcast etc. Also @woeler, who is most definately up there amongst the ranks of the best tanks in ESO. Usually with a 'this build is suitable for...' comment. Only DK & warden are in that category. Also literally everyone else that was playing a non-DK tank before Morrowind.

There is a lot more to tanking than just standing there taking a beating.

I am VERY suspicious of youtubers myself. Their builds inevitably fall into three categories:
a) Very specific items you have to grind for weeks to get
b) OP items & skills that are inevitably going to be nerfed and require you to watch & grind in a month or two
c) Specific muscle memory or skills that the youtuber has that the build relies upon.
d) millions in gold to build specific pots every minute in PvP

Sure, watch the videos but remember their goal is not to give you a long-term build in ESO. Their goal is to get you to come back and watch their videos every few weeks.

MMOs change, therefore builds have to be adjusted. Builds function as a "recommendation", nobody said you HAVE to use this particular setting, lots of options possible.

actosh

stimpy986b14_ESO wrote: »

I like that they did something about the useless cloak morph for NB tanks. My issue is, NB tanks already had plenty of self heals with strife, path, and strikes. What we needed was a damage shield.

Nb Tanks dont need a dmg shield, not even for hm trials.

The new dark cloak is replacing all 3 skills u mentioned at least in my build. I maybe keep strife, but just to have a skill for the 8% maxm agicka on my bar and to proc the siphon passive for ulti.

victoriana-blue

actosh wrote: »

@ZOS_Wrobel @ZOS_RichLambert

Vaoh wrote: »

Has anyone tested NB tank? I'm talking about both PvE and PvP, though mainly PvE. Is it performing okay or at least better thanks to Malevolent offering and this new Dark Cloak?

@Vaoh

Hey, to answer your question it may be a longer post. i try to keep it as short as possible.

First off, the ones claiming invisibility on live let you loose aggro should stop talking ***, because it dosnt work that way since 1 Tamriel. Instead u make the next direct hit aimed at you to miss for 100%. Dont believe me? Go test it, works best in VAS and other Trials where a direct hit can take away a lot of health.

Invisibility doesn't break taunt, but it does get rid of the "first to damage" aggro. I rely on ground-based aoe dots to control several add-heavy fights, and when I go invisible several adds peel off to attack the squishies and don't return even when I become visible again.

Anyway, it's awesome to hear from someone who's successful as a nb tank in a vet DLC in this post-Morrowind environment. Can you run vMA in a broom and bucket too?

If you don't mind me asking, how are you managing resources in fights like Ozara or Rakkhat? A combo of siphoning and relentless? Not casting as many abilities? I agree that siphoning attacks needed a nerf, and that the problem is still that ZOS went too far given all the other sustain changes they made that patch, but I've had real trouble with sustain in multi-mob boss fights ever since. I've been using the s&b ult as an "oh ***" button, but losing out on warhorn isn't good when in a group where warhorn makes a difference.

Marginis

victoriana-blue wrote: »

actosh wrote: »

@ZOS_Wrobel @ZOS_RichLambert

Vaoh wrote: »

Has anyone tested NB tank? I'm talking about both PvE and PvP, though mainly PvE. Is it performing okay or at least better thanks to Malevolent offering and this new Dark Cloak?

@Vaoh

Hey, to answer your question it may be a longer post. i try to keep it as short as possible.

First off, the ones claiming invisibility on live let you loose aggro should stop talking ***, because it dosnt work that way since 1 Tamriel. Instead u make the next direct hit aimed at you to miss for 100%. Dont believe me? Go test it, works best in VAS and other Trials where a direct hit can take away a lot of health.

Invisibility doesn't break taunt, but it does get rid of the "first to damage" aggro. I rely on ground-based aoe dots to control several add-heavy fights, and when I go invisible several adds peel off to attack the squishies and don't return even when I become visible again.

Anyway, it's awesome to hear from someone who's successful as a nb tank in a vet DLC in this post-Morrowind environment. Can you run vMA in a broom and bucket too?

If you don't mind me asking, how are you managing resources in fights like Ozara or Rakkhat? A combo of siphoning and relentless? Not casting as many abilities? I agree that siphoning attacks needed a nerf, and that the problem is still that ZOS went too far given all the other sustain changes they made that patch, but I've had real trouble with sustain in multi-mob boss fights ever since. I've been using the s&b ult as an "oh ***" button, but losing out on warhorn isn't good when in a group where warhorn makes a difference.

As a NB tank, when I activate cloak in live while keeping taunt up on a boss, the boss will actively and immediately start to attack another target. I personally use this as an "oh s****" skill for when my healer forgets to heal the tank and I need a second to breathe, then I can quickly retaunt after I quickly heal myself or get into a better position. I know this actually breaks taunt because there have been times that I forgot to immediately retaunt and the boss didn't target me until I retaunted. This was of the most recent patch, in live, on console (which should be the same as PC). Have not tested in PTS.

victoriana-blue

Marginis wrote: »

victoriana-blue wrote: »

actosh wrote: »

@ZOS_Wrobel @ZOS_RichLambert

Vaoh wrote: »

Has anyone tested NB tank? I'm talking about both PvE and PvP, though mainly PvE. Is it performing okay or at least better thanks to Malevolent offering and this new Dark Cloak?

@Vaoh

Hey, to answer your question it may be a longer post. i try to keep it as short as possible.

First off, the ones claiming invisibility on live let you loose aggro should stop talking ***, because it dosnt work that way since 1 Tamriel. Instead u make the next direct hit aimed at you to miss for 100%. Dont believe me? Go test it, works best in VAS and other Trials where a direct hit can take away a lot of health.

Invisibility doesn't break taunt, but it does get rid of the "first to damage" aggro. I rely on ground-based aoe dots to control several add-heavy fights, and when I go invisible several adds peel off to attack the squishies and don't return even when I become visible again.

Anyway, it's awesome to hear from someone who's successful as a nb tank in a vet DLC in this post-Morrowind environment. Can you run vMA in a broom and bucket too?

If you don't mind me asking, how are you managing resources in fights like Ozara or Rakkhat? A combo of siphoning and relentless? Not casting as many abilities? I agree that siphoning attacks needed a nerf, and that the problem is still that ZOS went too far given all the other sustain changes they made that patch, but I've had real trouble with sustain in multi-mob boss fights ever since. I've been using the s&b ult as an "oh ***" button, but losing out on warhorn isn't good when in a group where warhorn makes a difference.

As a NB tank, when I activate cloak in live while keeping taunt up on a boss, the boss will actively and immediately start to attack another target. I personally use this as an "oh s****" skill for when my healer forgets to heal the tank and I need a second to breathe, then I can quickly retaunt after I quickly heal myself or get into a better position. I know this actually breaks taunt because there have been times that I forgot to immediately retaunt and the boss didn't target me until I retaunted. This was of the most recent patch, in live, on console (which should be the same as PC). Have not tested in PTS.

I'll have to find a group on PTS and double-check then. Thanks for the addition/correction!

actosh

victoriana-blue wrote: »

actosh wrote: »

@ZOS_Wrobel @ZOS_RichLambert

Vaoh wrote: »

Has anyone tested NB tank? I'm talking about both PvE and PvP, though mainly PvE. Is it performing okay or at least better thanks to Malevolent offering and this new Dark Cloak?

@Vaoh

Hey, to answer your question it may be a longer post. i try to keep it as short as possible.

First off, the ones claiming invisibility on live let you loose aggro should stop talking ***, because it dosnt work that way since 1 Tamriel. Instead u make the next direct hit aimed at you to miss for 100%. Dont believe me? Go test it, works best in VAS and other Trials where a direct hit can take away a lot of health.

Invisibility doesn't break taunt, but it does get rid of the "first to damage" aggro. I rely on ground-based aoe dots to control several add-heavy fights, and when I go invisible several adds peel off to attack the squishies and don't return even when I become visible again.

Anyway, it's awesome to hear from someone who's successful as a nb tank in a vet DLC in this post-Morrowind environment. Can you run vMA in a broom and bucket too?

If you don't mind me asking, how are you managing resources in fights like Ozara or Rakkhat? A combo of siphoning and relentless? Not casting as many abilities? I agree that siphoning attacks needed a nerf, and that the problem is still that ZOS went too far given all the other sustain changes they made that patch, but I've had real trouble with sustain in multi-mob boss fights ever since. I've been using the s&b ult as an "oh ***" button, but losing out on warhorn isn't good when in a group where warhorn makes a difference.

@victoriana-blue
Hey, first off, u can be successful in all dungeons/trials as a nb, just requires at the current patch on live a lot of work and you need to know how to do it.

I never tried vma with broom & bucket, but i will do soon. if i go in with my base cp setup i use for tanking/vma/questing i mostly score between 525k - 550k.

For the ressources, when i continued nb tanking after morrowind nerf i played basicly with siphoning + heavy attacks.
I always dropped block when there was a possibility to do a light attack(canceled with block). That way i got the heal from siphoning strikes and returned awesome 116 whatever stam. Used 3 Block cost enchants and other basic stuff.

Lately i have changed my build a lot and i dropped all block cost enchants, and siphoning is as well gone from my bars.
Being an imperial i use potion cooldown glyphs on all 3 pieces (30 sec cd for potions now) and i rarely block even in trials.
Thing is u got to know when the boss is doing wich attack. For fights like rakhat failer posted a awesome vid thats telling you why you should only block the knockback and the gatling. Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nxvs7Mwfnk&t=36s

Ozara as well doesnt hit you that often, so theres plenty of time to heavy attack. Thing is siphoning isnt worth it for me anymore. Even if i weave every second a light attack the total value it returns (after casting it for around 1k stam) is only 5k stam. Thats 2 Heavy attacks, or 1 if the target is offbalanced.

If Summerset hits as it is now (hopefully with fixed infused jewelry) i still stay imperial, use 3 potion cd glyphs on my jewelry(infused) and wear alkosh/torugs/bloodspawn. I have done the cp for my new build, and most of the other stuff, if im halfway finished i can pm you what it will look like, and how to play it. All i can say is that 21 sec potion cd is awesome, especially as a nb with the catalyst passive. With argonian as a race it would be even more *** up . Argonian is hopefully gettin a nerf for their sustaint passive, but in the end i dont care. I was enjoying the fact that i had a 71% warhorn uptime alone when testin the build in dlc dungeons on pts without a grp.

@Marginis, that is strange to hear cause i never encountered the issue you described. The only thing that comes to mind is for example in vhof, if the 2nd boss and his add aim a heavy at me, i mostly use cloak a split second before i get hit, taunt, still runs on both and they never lost aggro and i did it too many times to count it. It could be related to that why its working for me, but not for you since i never spend more then 1 sec in Cloak.

Wich morph do u run? I use the crit thing cloak. Also in VAS i never lost aggro while using cloak, but again, i use it a split second before i get hit and taunt is always running on my target. Will record a vid of it when i find the time to do so. i play on pc by the way.

Have a nice day

Marginis

actosh wrote: »

victoriana-blue wrote: »

actosh wrote: »

@ZOS_Wrobel @ZOS_RichLambert

Vaoh wrote: »

Has anyone tested NB tank? I'm talking about both PvE and PvP, though mainly PvE. Is it performing okay or at least better thanks to Malevolent offering and this new Dark Cloak?

@Vaoh

Hey, to answer your question it may be a longer post. i try to keep it as short as possible.

First off, the ones claiming invisibility on live let you loose aggro should stop talking ***, because it dosnt work that way since 1 Tamriel. Instead u make the next direct hit aimed at you to miss for 100%. Dont believe me? Go test it, works best in VAS and other Trials where a direct hit can take away a lot of health.

Invisibility doesn't break taunt, but it does get rid of the "first to damage" aggro. I rely on ground-based aoe dots to control several add-heavy fights, and when I go invisible several adds peel off to attack the squishies and don't return even when I become visible again.

Anyway, it's awesome to hear from someone who's successful as a nb tank in a vet DLC in this post-Morrowind environment. Can you run vMA in a broom and bucket too?

If you don't mind me asking, how are you managing resources in fights like Ozara or Rakkhat? A combo of siphoning and relentless? Not casting as many abilities? I agree that siphoning attacks needed a nerf, and that the problem is still that ZOS went too far given all the other sustain changes they made that patch, but I've had real trouble with sustain in multi-mob boss fights ever since. I've been using the s&b ult as an "oh ***" button, but losing out on warhorn isn't good when in a group where warhorn makes a difference.

@victoriana-blue
Hey, first off, u can be successful in all dungeons/trials as a nb, just requires at the current patch on live a lot of work and you need to know how to do it.

I never tried vma with broom & bucket, but i will do soon. if i go in with my base cp setup i use for tanking/vma/questing i mostly score between 525k - 550k.

For the ressources, when i continued nb tanking after morrowind nerf i played basicly with siphoning + heavy attacks.
I always dropped block when there was a possibility to do a light attack(canceled with block). That way i got the heal from siphoning strikes and returned awesome 116 whatever stam. Used 3 Block cost enchants and other basic stuff.

Lately i have changed my build a lot and i dropped all block cost enchants, and siphoning is as well gone from my bars.
Being an imperial i use potion cooldown glyphs on all 3 pieces (30 sec cd for potions now) and i rarely block even in trials.
Thing is u got to know when the boss is doing wich attack. For fights like rakhat failer posted a awesome vid thats telling you why you should only block the knockback and the gatling. Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nxvs7Mwfnk&t=36s

Ozara as well doesnt hit you that often, so theres plenty of time to heavy attack. Thing is siphoning isnt worth it for me anymore. Even if i weave every second a light attack the total value it returns (after casting it for around 1k stam) is only 5k stam. Thats 2 Heavy attacks, or 1 if the target is offbalanced.

If Summerset hits as it is now (hopefully with fixed infused jewelry) i still stay imperial, use 3 potion cd glyphs on my jewelry(infused) and wear alkosh/torugs/bloodspawn. I have done the cp for my new build, and most of the other stuff, if im halfway finished i can pm you what it will look like, and how to play it. All i can say is that 21 sec potion cd is awesome, especially as a nb with the catalyst passive. With argonian as a race it would be even more *** up . Argonian is hopefully gettin a nerf for their sustaint passive, but in the end i dont care. I was enjoying the fact that i had a 71% warhorn uptime alone when testin the build in dlc dungeons on pts without a grp.

@Marginis, that is strange to hear cause i never encountered the issue you described. The only thing that comes to mind is for example in vhof, if the 2nd boss and his add aim a heavy at me, i mostly use cloak a split second before i get hit, taunt, still runs on both and they never lost aggro and i did it too many times to count it. It could be related to that why its working for me, but not for you since i never spend more then 1 sec in Cloak.

Wich morph do u run? I use the crit thing cloak. Also in VAS i never lost aggro while using cloak, but again, i use it a split second before i get hit and taunt is always running on my target. Will record a vid of it when i find the time to do so. i play on pc by the way.

Have a nice day

I use the morph that's getting changed.

I should also clarify, I still get hit - or attacked, at least - if I cloak while the boss is attacking me. It's just that immediately after I cloak, he turns his attention to another teammate, even if the taunt debuff is still active on him (I have buffs and debuffs always showing). I'm not sure exactly what is happening here - it may have something to do with aggro mechanics (I'll see if I can find the thread here...) - but it seems to be an intended part of cloak.

EDIT: CLICK HERE to see a thread about tanking mechanics that may be useful to the discussion in this thread.

actosh

Marginis wrote: »

actosh wrote: »

victoriana-blue wrote: »

actosh wrote: »

@ZOS_Wrobel @ZOS_RichLambert

Vaoh wrote: »

Has anyone tested NB tank? I'm talking about both PvE and PvP, though mainly PvE. Is it performing okay or at least better thanks to Malevolent offering and this new Dark Cloak?

@Vaoh

Hey, to answer your question it may be a longer post. i try to keep it as short as possible.

First off, the ones claiming invisibility on live let you loose aggro should stop talking ***, because it dosnt work that way since 1 Tamriel. Instead u make the next direct hit aimed at you to miss for 100%. Dont believe me? Go test it, works best in VAS and other Trials where a direct hit can take away a lot of health.

Invisibility doesn't break taunt, but it does get rid of the "first to damage" aggro. I rely on ground-based aoe dots to control several add-heavy fights, and when I go invisible several adds peel off to attack the squishies and don't return even when I become visible again.

Anyway, it's awesome to hear from someone who's successful as a nb tank in a vet DLC in this post-Morrowind environment. Can you run vMA in a broom and bucket too?

If you don't mind me asking, how are you managing resources in fights like Ozara or Rakkhat? A combo of siphoning and relentless? Not casting as many abilities? I agree that siphoning attacks needed a nerf, and that the problem is still that ZOS went too far given all the other sustain changes they made that patch, but I've had real trouble with sustain in multi-mob boss fights ever since. I've been using the s&b ult as an "oh ***" button, but losing out on warhorn isn't good when in a group where warhorn makes a difference.

@victoriana-blue
Hey, first off, u can be successful in all dungeons/trials as a nb, just requires at the current patch on live a lot of work and you need to know how to do it.

I never tried vma with broom & bucket, but i will do soon. if i go in with my base cp setup i use for tanking/vma/questing i mostly score between 525k - 550k.

For the ressources, when i continued nb tanking after morrowind nerf i played basicly with siphoning + heavy attacks.
I always dropped block when there was a possibility to do a light attack(canceled with block). That way i got the heal from siphoning strikes and returned awesome 116 whatever stam. Used 3 Block cost enchants and other basic stuff.

Lately i have changed my build a lot and i dropped all block cost enchants, and siphoning is as well gone from my bars.
Being an imperial i use potion cooldown glyphs on all 3 pieces (30 sec cd for potions now) and i rarely block even in trials.
Thing is u got to know when the boss is doing wich attack. For fights like rakhat failer posted a awesome vid thats telling you why you should only block the knockback and the gatling. Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nxvs7Mwfnk&t=36s

Ozara as well doesnt hit you that often, so theres plenty of time to heavy attack. Thing is siphoning isnt worth it for me anymore. Even if i weave every second a light attack the total value it returns (after casting it for around 1k stam) is only 5k stam. Thats 2 Heavy attacks, or 1 if the target is offbalanced.

If Summerset hits as it is now (hopefully with fixed infused jewelry) i still stay imperial, use 3 potion cd glyphs on my jewelry(infused) and wear alkosh/torugs/bloodspawn. I have done the cp for my new build, and most of the other stuff, if im halfway finished i can pm you what it will look like, and how to play it. All i can say is that 21 sec potion cd is awesome, especially as a nb with the catalyst passive. With argonian as a race it would be even more *** up . Argonian is hopefully gettin a nerf for their sustaint passive, but in the end i dont care. I was enjoying the fact that i had a 71% warhorn uptime alone when testin the build in dlc dungeons on pts without a grp.

@Marginis, that is strange to hear cause i never encountered the issue you described. The only thing that comes to mind is for example in vhof, if the 2nd boss and his add aim a heavy at me, i mostly use cloak a split second before i get hit, taunt, still runs on both and they never lost aggro and i did it too many times to count it. It could be related to that why its working for me, but not for you since i never spend more then 1 sec in Cloak.

Wich morph do u run? I use the crit thing cloak. Also in VAS i never lost aggro while using cloak, but again, i use it a split second before i get hit and taunt is always running on my target. Will record a vid of it when i find the time to do so. i play on pc by the way.

Have a nice day

I use the morph that's getting changed.

I should also clarify, I still get hit - or attacked, at least - if I cloak while the boss is attacking me. It's just that immediately after I cloak, he turns his attention to another teammate, even if the taunt debuff is still active on him (I have buffs and debuffs always showing). I'm not sure exactly what is happening here - it may have something to do with aggro mechanics (I'll see if I can find the thread here...) - but it seems to be an intended part of cloak.

EDIT: CLICK HERE to see a thread about tanking mechanics that may be useful to the discussion in this thread.

Maybe try the crit morph then. I will try the other morph and see how that behaves, even if its changed with summerset.
Gotta find time to do a vid

ChefZero

If is ressoucre management a big problem for NBtanking atm, why noone suggest to wear Bloodthorn?

victoriana-blue

ChefZero wrote: »

If is ressoucre management a big problem for NBtanking atm, why noone suggest to wear Bloodthorn?

Because needing a resource set means we have to forego things like health, resistance, or Ebon.

(Also Gilliam suggested it in his Bloodletter build, months ago.)

actosh

ChefZero wrote: »

If is ressoucre management a big problem for NBtanking atm, why noone suggest to wear Bloodthorn?

Absolutely not needed!!!!!!! Hell i dont even run block cost reduction enchants.....

Marginis

actosh wrote: »

Marginis wrote: »

actosh wrote: »

victoriana-blue wrote: »

actosh wrote: »

@ZOS_Wrobel @ZOS_RichLambert

Vaoh wrote: »

Has anyone tested NB tank? I'm talking about both PvE and PvP, though mainly PvE. Is it performing okay or at least better thanks to Malevolent offering and this new Dark Cloak?

@Vaoh

Hey, to answer your question it may be a longer post. i try to keep it as short as possible.

First off, the ones claiming invisibility on live let you loose aggro should stop talking ***, because it dosnt work that way since 1 Tamriel. Instead u make the next direct hit aimed at you to miss for 100%. Dont believe me? Go test it, works best in VAS and other Trials where a direct hit can take away a lot of health.

Invisibility doesn't break taunt, but it does get rid of the "first to damage" aggro. I rely on ground-based aoe dots to control several add-heavy fights, and when I go invisible several adds peel off to attack the squishies and don't return even when I become visible again.

Anyway, it's awesome to hear from someone who's successful as a nb tank in a vet DLC in this post-Morrowind environment. Can you run vMA in a broom and bucket too?

If you don't mind me asking, how are you managing resources in fights like Ozara or Rakkhat? A combo of siphoning and relentless? Not casting as many abilities? I agree that siphoning attacks needed a nerf, and that the problem is still that ZOS went too far given all the other sustain changes they made that patch, but I've had real trouble with sustain in multi-mob boss fights ever since. I've been using the s&b ult as an "oh ***" button, but losing out on warhorn isn't good when in a group where warhorn makes a difference.

@victoriana-blue
Hey, first off, u can be successful in all dungeons/trials as a nb, just requires at the current patch on live a lot of work and you need to know how to do it.

I never tried vma with broom & bucket, but i will do soon. if i go in with my base cp setup i use for tanking/vma/questing i mostly score between 525k - 550k.

For the ressources, when i continued nb tanking after morrowind nerf i played basicly with siphoning + heavy attacks.
I always dropped block when there was a possibility to do a light attack(canceled with block). That way i got the heal from siphoning strikes and returned awesome 116 whatever stam. Used 3 Block cost enchants and other basic stuff.

Lately i have changed my build a lot and i dropped all block cost enchants, and siphoning is as well gone from my bars.
Being an imperial i use potion cooldown glyphs on all 3 pieces (30 sec cd for potions now) and i rarely block even in trials.
Thing is u got to know when the boss is doing wich attack. For fights like rakhat failer posted a awesome vid thats telling you why you should only block the knockback and the gatling. Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nxvs7Mwfnk&t=36s

Ozara as well doesnt hit you that often, so theres plenty of time to heavy attack. Thing is siphoning isnt worth it for me anymore. Even if i weave every second a light attack the total value it returns (after casting it for around 1k stam) is only 5k stam. Thats 2 Heavy attacks, or 1 if the target is offbalanced.

If Summerset hits as it is now (hopefully with fixed infused jewelry) i still stay imperial, use 3 potion cd glyphs on my jewelry(infused) and wear alkosh/torugs/bloodspawn. I have done the cp for my new build, and most of the other stuff, if im halfway finished i can pm you what it will look like, and how to play it. All i can say is that 21 sec potion cd is awesome, especially as a nb with the catalyst passive. With argonian as a race it would be even more *** up . Argonian is hopefully gettin a nerf for their sustaint passive, but in the end i dont care. I was enjoying the fact that i had a 71% warhorn uptime alone when testin the build in dlc dungeons on pts without a grp.

@Marginis, that is strange to hear cause i never encountered the issue you described. The only thing that comes to mind is for example in vhof, if the 2nd boss and his add aim a heavy at me, i mostly use cloak a split second before i get hit, taunt, still runs on both and they never lost aggro and i did it too many times to count it. It could be related to that why its working for me, but not for you since i never spend more then 1 sec in Cloak.

Wich morph do u run? I use the crit thing cloak. Also in VAS i never lost aggro while using cloak, but again, i use it a split second before i get hit and taunt is always running on my target. Will record a vid of it when i find the time to do so. i play on pc by the way.

Have a nice day

I use the morph that's getting changed.

I should also clarify, I still get hit - or attacked, at least - if I cloak while the boss is attacking me. It's just that immediately after I cloak, he turns his attention to another teammate, even if the taunt debuff is still active on him (I have buffs and debuffs always showing). I'm not sure exactly what is happening here - it may have something to do with aggro mechanics (I'll see if I can find the thread here...) - but it seems to be an intended part of cloak.

EDIT: CLICK HERE to see a thread about tanking mechanics that may be useful to the discussion in this thread.

Maybe try the crit morph then. I will try the other morph and see how that behaves, even if its changed with summerset.
Gotta find time to do a vid

In summerset the morph I use does not cloak anymore, so that morph does not break aggro on pts.

actosh

I wanted to say I test your actual morph on live server

aeowulf

actosh wrote: »

@victoriana-blue
Hey, first off, u can be successful in all dungeons/trials as a nb, just requires at the current patch on live a lot of work and you need to know how to do it.

Tank role for NB is very inacceessible to many. I don't think anyone has said 'you cannot do it under any circumstances' but there have been so many walls put in place by ZoS compared to other classes. Lack of sustain = lack of perma block = massively increased skill level required = not friendly to new players. Same could be said for group utility (would be nice if each class got a 8% vs certain damage type debuff) Lack of crowd control also means more skill required. It's almost like once you've played a DK tank, you can then take off the training wheels and play a NB tank. But they don't actually go any faster when you are there!

I don't like the change to Bolstering Darkness, the removal of the addtional 30% is a massive negative change to the caster. It won't make it better than warhorn, it needs to increase DPS to attract DPS into collecting the buff. Make it grant major slayer for 8 secs to 2-4 allies instead? (and retain protection for caster)

actosh

aeowulf wrote: »

actosh wrote: »

@victoriana-blue
Hey, first off, u can be successful in all dungeons/trials as a nb, just requires at the current patch on live a lot of work and you need to know how to do it.

Tank role for NB is very inacceessible to many. I don't think anyone has said 'you cannot do it under any circumstances' but there have been so many walls put in place by ZoS compared to other classes. Lack of sustain = lack of perma block = massively increased skill level required = not friendly to new players. Same could be said for group utility (would be nice if each class got a 8% vs certain damage type debuff) Lack of crowd control also means more skill required. It's almost like once you've played a DK tank, you can then take off the training wheels and play a NB tank. But they don't actually go any faster when you are there!

I don't like the change to Bolstering Darkness, the removal of the addtional 30% is a massive negative change to the caster. It won't make it better than warhorn, it needs to increase DPS to attract DPS into collecting the buff. Make it grant major slayer for 8 secs to 2-4 allies instead? (and retain protection for caster)

It is inacceessible, right. On the other hand, permblock is not needed but still, warden and dk can sustain easypeasy with right mouse button pushed down.

Nb "could" stay the it is on pts, but should then provide more debuffs/dps increase locked in a tank skill to make give them a advantege in something ^^. I have a dk, i played em a lot, but i just like my nb more and its my main ^^.

For bolstering darkness, its a pvp ult now for me, wont even slot it.

aeowulf

Marginis wrote: »

EDIT: CLICK HERE to see a thread about tanking mechanics that may be useful to the discussion in this thread.

This is seriously useful thanks for the link!

ChefZero

A glyph in WoW is like a morph in ESO. This is what we need