New Sunderflame Set effect is just amazing!

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I'm pulling 30-32k damage with my dunmer stamina DK with vigor slotted and without any buffs applied by another player! The Minor Breach increased the fire damage from my Red Mountain and Valkyn Skoria sets. And the extra flame damage from heavy attacks helps me to instakill any overland trash mob with a single sneak heavy attack.
Also, that dps is after I swapped my robust trait necklace with the movement speed trait. 10% extra speed is just what I needed for my melee dps!

Night Mother's Gaze became useless though, as most stamina dps have an ability to apply Major Fracture.
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    Can you link a screen of its stats?
  • AjiBuster499
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    Damage or DPS
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  • Horowonnoe
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    uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


    grats?

    yay
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    vMOL - Calamity (PC NA) - 174,680 - 9:42 Stonethorn
    vHOF - 4D (PC NA) - 232,362 - 14:11 Greymoor
    vAS - 4D (PC NA) - 117,014 - 2:41 Stonethorn
    vCR - Calamity (PC NA) - 136,091 - 3:45 Stonethorn
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    Game changer.
  • Dasovaruilos
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    I think he was being ironic?
  • Horowonnoe
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    CalmFury wrote: »
    I think he was being ironic?

    What is this irony you speak of. A type of cat?
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    @Horowonnoe Can you help me with magsorc
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    vAA - 4D (PC NA) - 154,068 - 8:31 Greymoor
    vSO - 4D (PC NA) - 180,238 - 11:28 Greymoor
    vHRC - 4D (PC NA) - 163,258 - 8:28 Greymoor
    vMOL - Calamity (PC NA) - 174,680 - 9:42 Stonethorn
    vHOF - 4D (PC NA) - 232,362 - 14:11 Greymoor
    vAS - 4D (PC NA) - 117,014 - 2:41 Stonethorn
    vCR - Calamity (PC NA) - 136,091 - 3:45 Stonethorn
    vSS - 4D (PC NA) - 255,552 - 21:34 Greymoor
    vKA - 4D (PC NA) - 247,292 - 16:19 Greymoor
    vRG - Calamity (PC NA) - 301,438 - 24:21 Blackwood
  • trowlk
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    I don't use any dps add-on. I just wanted to let people know that the Sunderflame rework isn't quite bad! I like it a lot more in this way.
  • Horowonnoe
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    @Horowonnoe Can you help me with magsorc

    No u @MaddPowered Can you help me with magsorc
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    Templar Healer "False Eye"
    Sorc Healer "Potema the Wolf Queen"
    Warden Healer "Heavy Attacks Online"
    Magicka Nightblade DPS "Nephaleth Telvanni"
    Dragonknight Tank "Nico's Facsimile"

    Builds & Guides:
    Horow's Templar Healer Guide for Trials (Murkmire updated)
    How to get Felms to jump correctly in vAS HM?
    Horow's vMA Magicka Sorc Build for beginners and lazy farmers
    Horow's Magicka Sorc Triple Pet Heavy Attack Build - Summerset Isles Ready
    More builds at anthem-guild.com/pve/.

    Notable Achievements:
    - World's first 18 Axes vAA clear
    - World's first 20+ enrage stack Llothis in vAS HM and World record cone damage
  • Zagnut123Zagnut123
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    trowlk wrote: »
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    I don't use any dps add-on. I just wanted to let people know that the Sunderflame rework isn't quite bad! I like it a lot more in this way.

    It's much much worse then it was I really hope this is a troll and if it is your not helping by doing this.
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    Just in case this is not a troll thread...

    The Sunderflame set has never been about individual performance, but about maximizing the damage a large 12-person group can make, by offering them a unique effect that no other set has.

    You can't meassure how good or bad the new Sunderflame is by looking an an individual DPS count. You need 12 people.
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  • trowlk
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    It's much much worse then it was I really hope this is a troll and if it is your not helping by doing this.



    First, this is not a troll post, secondly I disagree with your opinion about the set being "much worse"

    Just as Red Mountain was reworked a couple of patches ago, plenty of people were afraid of its change, now I'm using 2 reworked sets along with Valkyn and they all sinergize well with each other.

    I can still "use" fire abilities as a stamina DK thanks to these 3 sets. I'm not trolling, this is my playstyle.

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    It sucks that its no longer a unique debuff but at least it didn't become totally redundant.
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  • crobarXIII
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    That's a little low to me. I know guild mates pulling 40k+ on live.
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  • MaxwellC
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    Sorry mate but let me burst your bubble.
    This set is about group support you know something Stamina builds tend to lack in end game content. With this set along with having night mothers gaze on I was pulling just below 35k Solo parse and 55k group trial buff. Your thread is really just trying to justify this terrible nerf to Stamina DDs in end game content and also removing the support we provided in end game content.

    Thanks so much for your thread just because you were able to pull over 30k DD obviously means this change is better than the current live form *sarcasm*
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    MaxwellC is right.
  • Zagnut123Zagnut123
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    trowlk wrote: »



    First, this is not a troll post, secondly I disagree with your opinion about the set being "much worse"

    Just as Red Mountain was reworked a couple of patches ago, plenty of people were afraid of its change, now I'm using 2 reworked sets along with Valkyn and they all sinergize well with each other.

    I can still "use" fire abilities as a stamina DK thanks to these 3 sets. I'm not trolling, this is my playstyle.

    You can disagree as much as you want but your perspective is based on solo play were as this set was great for grp play. It's be reduced to near nothing and you applaud ZOS short sighted decision. This was better were it was and now it's nothing
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    trowlk wrote: »

    First, this is not a troll post, secondly I disagree with your opinion about the set being "much worse"

    Just as Red Mountain was reworked a couple of patches ago, plenty of people were afraid of its change, now I'm using 2 reworked sets along with Valkyn and they all sinergize well with each other.

    I can still "use" fire abilities as a stamina DK thanks to these 3 sets. I'm not trolling, this is my playstyle.
    You are having fun with your playstyle and that's fine, but there are was no need for ZOS to completly destroy an end game set when there are plenty out there that about nobody uses.

    That's why people are mad.
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  • trowlk
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    MaxwellC wrote: »
    @trowlk
    Sorry mate but let me burst your bubble.
    This set is about group support you know something Stamina builds tend to lack in end game content. With this set along with having night mothers gaze on I was pulling just below 35k Solo parse and 55k group trial buff. Your thread is really just trying to justify this terrible nerf to Stamina DDs in end game content and also removing the support we provided in end game content.

    Thanks so much for your thread just because you were able to pull over 30k DD obviously means this change is better than the current live form *sarcasm*

    Lets talk for a while about this group support and how sunderflame fits on it.
    I have tried several end game guilds hoping to join veteran trials and contribute to the party with the sunderflame buff. The funny thing is that when they ask for dps, and I whisper for invitation, they reply with "do you have a ranged or magicka dps?".
    That is when my "bubble" burst, @MaxwellC , in those guilds and the one I belong to right now ask only for magicka dps, funny, because stam DK dps is very high, but understimated.

    Anyway, let's look at the bright side. The new Sunderflame will apply both Minor Breach and Minor Fracture, and as far as I know, templar's ability Power of the Light is the only ability who apply such debuffs. And Sunderflame will not only contribute to both magicka and stamina dps, but also your own damage with extra flame damage from your heavy attacks.
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    Actually what this change does is allow you to boot your stamplar out of the trial group in favor of a better DPS. *insert trollface here*
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    The unique sourcing of the Minor Breach/Fracture is nice. However those alone on a set make it rather worthless. 2% or so additional penetration from a 5pc isn't really worthwhile (especially if there's a templar around). It certainly isn't something I'd bring to a trial.

    The added 4K Flame Damage is nice, but the infrequency that you utilize a heavy attack means that it will gain you less than 1K DPS on paper. In practice it'll be a lot less.

    If ZoS doesn't want to make it a overbearing upfront proc, they just need to make it have a hefty DoT. Similar to that of the Mantle of Siroria, but single target. And if they really wanted to, they could increase the duration of the DoT and debuff, such that this set actually makes it into a pseudo "ability altering set" on Heavy Attacks. Which requires purposefully timing your Heavy attacks in a rotation to make full use of this set.

    In general I could see this set being designed towards MagDK when no templars are present, with the caveat that the set stats it offers are not Magicka oriented.

    This of course would need to be balanced against the 40% to heavy attacks that MagDK can achieve.

    In conclusion, if the 4,000 Direct Flame Damage was instead turned into an approximate 16,000 DoT over 8 seconds, I can see it becoming Trials Viable.

    This would essentially become the Caluurion for MagDK, but offer only stamina stats, and be DoT based and purgeable/shieldable/cloakable/reflectable.

    In reality, the actual tooltip should be lower than what I suggested. Probably something like 10K-12K
    Edited by Avran_Sylt on April 19, 2018 1:13AM
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    Valkyn? On stam DK? Oh, overland.
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  • Colecovision
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    I think the missing information is what the OP normally pulls with this rotation. Also, was vigor the only wasted slot or was there more survival in there?
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    Or a stamplar with war machine could do the same trick better.

    I can understand that its your playstyle and you like the fire theme for your dk, but you have to admit that its just worse because the only time you would use this over other sets for its function (right now ov live) is in endgame trials or dungeon groups where you try to optimise for stam dps and the change just takes that important tool away.

    You already mentioned that a templar can apply the same buff too. Stamplar works best, but if its just for the buff, healers can run the skill or just use a poison that has minor armor debuffs (thats what our healer does when we run serious content).
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    The set an interesting change. It actually helps groups without a templar healer or stamina templar have these buffs. It has potential for diversity in gameplay.
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    I pulled 71k DPS solo, IN combat using 2x Mephala, 5x gold hundings and 5x Unfathomable Darkness (of all things) hehehehe dropped ulti, mephala procced, THE BIRDS procced and hit every part of the meta StamDK rotation. So...you’re saying I should farm CoA for Sunderflame with ALL that fire (yup VAMP) for a set that ONLY helped out in trials to pull 30k DPS? Ohhhhhh kkkkkkkkkk hehehehe
  • Horowonnoe
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    trowlk wrote: »

    Lets talk for a while about this group support and how sunderflame fits on it.
    I have tried several end game guilds hoping to join veteran trials and contribute to the party with the sunderflame buff. The funny thing is that when they ask for dps, and I whisper for invitation, they reply with "do you have a ranged or magicka dps?".
    That is when my "bubble" burst, @MaxwellC , in those guilds and the one I belong to right now ask only for magicka dps, funny, because stam DK dps is very high, but understimated.

    Anyway, let's look at the bright side. The new Sunderflame will apply both Minor Breach and Minor Fracture, and as far as I know, templar's ability Power of the Light is the only ability who apply such debuffs. And Sunderflame will not only contribute to both magicka and stamina dps, but also your own damage with extra flame damage from your heavy attacks.

    Not sure what kind of guilds you are talking to there, but stamina is very in demand this patch. *thinks*
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    Templar Healer "False Eye"
    Sorc Healer "Potema the Wolf Queen"
    Warden Healer "Heavy Attacks Online"
    Magicka Nightblade DPS "Nephaleth Telvanni"
    Dragonknight Tank "Nico's Facsimile"

    Builds & Guides:
    Horow's Templar Healer Guide for Trials (Murkmire updated)
    How to get Felms to jump correctly in vAS HM?
    Horow's vMA Magicka Sorc Build for beginners and lazy farmers
    Horow's Magicka Sorc Triple Pet Heavy Attack Build - Summerset Isles Ready
    More builds at anthem-guild.com/pve/.

    Notable Achievements:
    - World's first 18 Axes vAA clear
    - World's first 20+ enrage stack Llothis in vAS HM and World record cone damage
  • Zagnut123Zagnut123
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    trowlk wrote: »

    Lets talk for a while about this group support and how sunderflame fits on it.
    I have tried several end game guilds hoping to join veteran trials and contribute to the party with the sunderflame buff. The funny thing is that when they ask for dps, and I whisper for invitation, they reply with "do you have a ranged or magicka dps?".
    That is when my "bubble" burst, @MaxwellC , in those guilds and the one I belong to right now ask only for magicka dps, funny, because stam DK dps is very high, but understimated.

    Anyway, let's look at the bright side. The new Sunderflame will apply both Minor Breach and Minor Fracture, and as far as I know, templar's ability Power of the Light is the only ability who apply such debuffs. And Sunderflame will not only contribute to both magicka and stamina dps, but also your own damage with extra flame damage from your heavy attacks.

    They prolly want magika cause there filled up on good stamina or aren't knowledgeable in end game raiding starts. Stamina is definetley a widely used dps type and will be next patch as well despite the changes. My main irritation is the continued dumbing down of grp synergy and interaction.
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