New Sunderflame Set effect is just amazing!

ccfeeling

JumpmanLane wrote: »

I pulled 71k DPS solo, IN combat using 2x Mephala, 5x gold hundings and 5x Unfathomable Darkness (of all things) hehehehe dropped ulti, mephala procced, THE BIRDS procced and hit every part of the meta StamDK rotation. So...you’re saying I should farm CoA for Sunderflame with ALL that fire (yup VAMP) for a set that ONLY helped out in trials to pull 30k DPS? Ohhhhhh kkkkkkkkkk hehehehe

71k ? You kidding ?

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

ccfeeling wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

I pulled 71k DPS solo, IN combat using 2x Mephala, 5x gold hundings and 5x Unfathomable Darkness (of all things) hehehehe dropped ulti, mephala procced, THE BIRDS procced and hit every part of the meta StamDK rotation. So...you’re saying I should farm CoA for Sunderflame with ALL that fire (yup VAMP) for a set that ONLY helped out in trials to pull 30k DPS? Ohhhhhh kkkkkkkkkk hehehehe

71k ? You kidding ?

Probably on a 30k health overland mob.

Narvuntien

When I heard about the sunderflame changes I thought for sure it was going to wipe out my Stamden Healer build. But it being minor fracture makes it less useless.

I think people are a lot too trials focused. The problem with this players build is that they have no crit and people get those huge dps numbers using the major/minor Force buffs. Since this is a proc build it can't crit so its not going to get insane numbers but.... it will give less high level players really nice dps without too much effort.

If the average dps is 30K instead of 20-25K, All off your PUGs will go a lot smoother.

Masel

Sunderflame and night mothers got basically erased. Night mothers is a solo set now, and Sunderflame is a replacement for power of the light. Problem is that we need more endgame group support sets, not less. Every update they flood the game with more thoughtless proc sets. I mean every tester on the pts says that the new sets are not good, and they drop from the hardest content that is available.

Posts like this one don't help, because while it is good that you like the set, you didn't inform yourself about how the set is generally used. I am interested in the guilds you joined because as someone said above, stamina dds are very much wanted.
However, I don't see stamina being viable anymore due to these changes because this takes away a significant amount of damage from them in coordinated groups. A guildie of mine did a 64k dps groupbuffed parse on a on a 26 million dummy on a mag dk yesterday. Buffing everyone but dual wield was nice, but nerfing stamina is going over the top.

Mannox

In my opinion ZOS should remove all direct penetration and replace it with ways for group cohesion to prolong the relatively short uptimes of Major and Minor debuffs. That way it's still important for more than one player to cast or proc the same buffs and debuffs. Certainly much easier to balance I think.

Also, I agree that endgame group support should be a design focus and so should build diversity. If for nothing else than to please players like myself who don't like staves and Dual-Wielding thematically. Perhaps a more universal reason would be to argue for damage spread and time on target but that seems to already be in the cards. There are some good arguments out there. Here's hoping the nonsense doesn't filter the logic.

sneakymitchell

It’s not worse it fine. Night mothers is good for solo stam Characters That don’t have major fracture in mobs situation. Stam DKs won’t run it cause we got noxious breath AoE so.

JumpmanLane

Of COURSE it was on an overland mob. If the OP doesn’t grasp sarcasm, it only makes it funnier (p.s. google me, ima reknowned innanet troll...but I gave up cyber bullying for Lent).

starkerealm

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

ccfeeling wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

I pulled 71k DPS solo, IN combat using 2x Mephala, 5x gold hundings and 5x Unfathomable Darkness (of all things) hehehehe dropped ulti, mephala procced, THE BIRDS procced and hit every part of the meta StamDK rotation. So...you’re saying I should farm CoA for Sunderflame with ALL that fire (yup VAMP) for a set that ONLY helped out in trials to pull 30k DPS? Ohhhhhh kkkkkkkkkk hehehehe

71k ? You kidding ?

Probably on a 30k health overland mob.

Or multitarget. There's something weirdly satisfying about seeing the the first Shadowrend pull displaying +100k DPS on your tank, with all those banekin.

gnarlyvandal

Narvuntien wrote: »

When I heard about the sunderflame changes I thought for sure it was going to wipe out my Stamden Healer build. But it being minor fracture makes it less useless.

I think people are a lot too trials focused. The problem with this players build is that they have no crit and people get those huge dps numbers using the major/minor Force buffs. Since this is a proc build it can't crit so its not going to get insane numbers but.... it will give less high level players really nice dps without too much effort.

If the average dps is 30K instead of 20-25K, All off your PUGs will go a lot smoother.

Completely agree.

I’d just like to add as well regarding dps numbers; I’ve been repeatedly told by several guilds that you need 30k dps solo on combat dummy to even be considered for Vet Trials, if OP was pulling less than 30k and this new setup helps him get there in a play style he enjoys, then I’m all for it.

Who REALLY cares about the 1k extra dps that experienced, all golded players got from the old version? Is the change truly going to break trial builds? I don’t think so..

For OP, it doesn’t look like he cares about min/maxing for an easier vtrial run, but instead simply wants to get INTO the vtrial run. And congrats to him for getting to those dps numbers

Asardes

The only thing this change promotes is actually less diversity in groups. Right now groups would bring a Stamina Templar specifically for Power of the Light that gave basically the debuff that's being given to Sunderflame, and which was unique to the class. That Stamina Templar, being usually the weakest melee DD from the group, paired Night Mother's Gaze with Sunderflame to give the group 7.3K physical penetration and 1.3K spell penetration. Now they've completely erased that. It will be 4 NBs with various combos that provide penetration. Why? Because heavy attack damage is being reduced, and thus a light attack rotation actually becomes much better. And right now NB is pretty much the only class that can sustain that due to Leeching Strikes. Maybe 3 NBs and one Stam DK that heavy attacks with Sunderflame. They've basically erased all stamina group synergy. The game will be dumbed even more, and it's expected that people who are themselves dumb only rejoice.

Maryal

NMG .... :'(

eserras7b16_ESO

trowlk wrote: »

I'm pulling 30-32k damage with my dunmer stamina DK with vigor slotted and without any buffs applied by another player! The Minor Breach increased the fire damage from my Red Mountain and Valkyn Skoria sets. And the extra flame damage from heavy attacks helps me to instakill any overland trash mob with a single sneak heavy attack.
Also, that dps is after I swapped my robust trait necklace with the movement speed trait. 10% extra speed is just what I needed for my melee dps!

Night Mother's Gaze became useless though, as most stamina dps have an ability to apply Major Fracture.

He is clearly trolling

Sparr0w

This set will be ok ish for solo play as you can maybe free up a slot that you would have used to apply the debuff, but in group play your tank/stamblade or healer would already apply the debuff so it's now effectively a useless 5 piece, unless you're solo... maybe.

Edit: thought both we're reworked to Major buffs, if minor it might not be dead...

Merlin13KAGL

First, where's your baseline to compare it to? (What's your DPS without the 5th pc Sunder debuff)?

Minor breach/fracture gives, what, +2% penetration, at most?

Asardes

NPCs have a base resistance cap of 50K.
- Sunderflame (current) gives 3450 penetration, which is 6.9%
- Sunderflame (future, non-unique buff) gives 1320 physical and spell penetration, which is 2.6% penetration
Assuming that the set will be used by a Stamina DK, and with 4 heavy attacks in a 12 second rotation, that's 16K raw damage, or 1.3K DPS, but considering spell resistance on the target that will have significant resistance (no CP in spell erosion, no LA Concentration passive), that will only be around ~1K DPS. Pretty underwhelming compared with other proc sets, such as Red Mountain that does 2.5-3K. So the set will basically be crap in group play next patch.

MaxwellC

@trowlk
There is no "bright side" to this nerf again the current live form helped Stamina DD be more used in end game content. You stated that you went to high end PvE guilds (Anyone can make a frivolous statement like that one) and they wanted ranged Magicka DD but again in my trial groups we balance Stamina and Magicka.

When someone says "Hey I'll run NMG and SF" that's when the group orientation changes to be more Stamina dominant. You tried to justify this nerf because you were able to pull over 30k DPS which as I eluded to is a WEAK argument and shows that you do not understand what the live set means for end game trial groups + Stamina DDs currently on live in end game content.
So again, Thanks for your "I pulled over 30k DPS guys this is an amazing change!" thread because it shows how awesome this nerf to a support set is. Thanks mate.

hedna123b14_ESO

It is thanks to posts like these that I no longer need to go anywhere else to look for memes;) thank you:)

kojou

Amazing is probably not the word I would use, but at least it still has a use:

Raid Leader: Any of the healers running PoTL?

Healers: No.

Raid Leader: OK, <name of stam player with lowest DPS>, put on Sunderflame.

Jonno

Conduit0 wrote: »

Actually what this change does is allow you to boot your stamplar out of the trial group in favor of a better DPS. *insert trollface here*

nah just means you can boot the stamsorc buff *** for a stam nb or mag dk and keep the templar for potl

Itzmichi

They are going around in circles with the useless changes all the time, last patch Magicka this Patch Stamina. Nobody asked for it. For Endgame the sets are pretty much useless now. Sunderflame wouldnt be that bad if the would consider changing the procc requirement to something like crit hits or using aoe skill with a fix % value.

DjMuscleboy02

Idk why this is a big deal since we'll just be running 8 magblades anyway

VizigothAlaric

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

Idk why this is a big deal since we'll just be running 8 magblades anyway

Here comes the true " BALANCE ESO "