The crafters complaining about lack of skill points Summerset thread...

Asardes

Hirelings are BS, and I will drop those in an instant, for the 1 gold per skill point reset right after Summerset release. I've examined the spent skill points on my main, a stamina DK who has already finished research, and I can drop a bunch of them:

Crafting Hirelings: 3 x 5 =15
Ardent Flame: Flame Lash (2)
Earthen Heart: Stone Giant (2) and Fossilize (2)
Two Handed: Onslaught (2) and Critical Rush (2)
Dual Wield: Rend (2) and Bloodthirst (2)
Bow: Draining Shot (2) and Acid Spray (2)
Heavy Armor: Immovable Brute (2)
Ledgermain: Light Fingers (4) and Trafficker (4)
Fighters Guild: Camouflaged Hunger (2)
Undaunted: Tangling Webs (2) and Bone Surge (2)

That's 47 out of 367 skill points with 12 more coming with Morrowind. Since I'm pretty close to AvA rank up that's roughly 60 points I can make available without compromising any of my builds.

mike_skleinub17_ESO

1 gold per reset? I was thinking there would be a full reset when it releases but if we can do a 1:1 that would be so much better.

Sparr0w

Going to take longer than a month to hunt down all skyshards/skill points on Xbox Crafter is a Mag Dunmer covering Healer, DPS and Tank so skill points are sapped dry...

Sweet_Cicero

Why not limit each character you have to one crafting tree each? Have a clothier, a blacksmith, an alchemist, etc. That would free up alot of skill points across the board.

Asardes

Sweet_Cicero wrote: »

Why not limit each character you have to one crafting tree each? Have a clothier, a blacksmith, an alchemist, etc. That would free up alot of skill points across the board.

That would be pretty bad, since motifs are shared between those skills. Also furnishing requires competence in multiple crafting profession. Best option is to have high end crafting on a single character, with just enough combat skills and passive to fill a single role. That's doable with ~180-200 skill points.

FakeFox

On my main I have pretty much every class skill, three weapon skilllines,all armour types, all guilds, all open world skilllines, most of alliance war, racial passives and all professions including keen eye and hirelings and I still have around 10 points left. Not sure what you are doing with your skillpoints...

Alamakot

Troneon wrote: »

Lets get this one out the way early

Dear ZOS,

With Jewelry crafting skills/passives incoming, us crafters with only one char need your help!

Please gives us morezz skillpointz...(...)
Save a crafter today!

I'll bet you (and others who lack skillpoints) can regain many of them by simple reset in shrine, for some 13-17k gold

XiDiabolismiX

FakeFox wrote: »

On my main I have pretty much every class skill, three weapon skilllines,all armour types, all guilds, all open world skilllines, most of alliance war, racial passives and all professions including keen eye and hirelings and I still have around 10 points left. Not sure what you are doing with your skillpoints...

How is that possible? Just with my simple rundown a couple pages back, to max all that stuff out would be upwards of 453 skill points. Pretty sure there’s only like 394 or something available right now?

FakeFox

XiDiabolismiX wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

On my main I have pretty much every class skill, three weapon skilllines,all armour types, all guilds, all open world skilllines, most of alliance war, racial passives and all professions including keen eye and hirelings and I still have around 10 points left. Not sure what you are doing with your skillpoints...

How is that possible? Just with my simple rundown a couple pages back, to max all that stuff out would be upwards of 453 skill points. Pretty sure there’s only like 394 or something available right now?

I have roughly counted it, I'm at around 360 points.

Alamakot

ok. forget what I wrote in previous post, did it before read full thread.

for some All-In-One builds (tank, dps, healer, thief, assasin and master crafter of all trades) probably even 500 skillpoints will be not enough

Juju_beans

There's 50

Asardes wrote: »

Sweet_Cicero wrote: »

Why not limit each character you have to one crafting tree each? Have a clothier, a blacksmith, an alchemist, etc. That would free up alot of skill points across the board.

That would be pretty bad, since motifs are shared between those skills. Also furnishing requires competence in multiple crafting profession. Best option is to have high end crafting on a single character, with just enough combat skills and passive to fill a single role. That's doable with ~180-200 skill points.

That's what I did. My crafter is also my main. I'm dps only with bow/dw maxed and only have points in other skills/passives I use.

I only have 1 point in hireling and 1 point in keen eye. Still researching so that's 12 points coming back to me.
I also did Cadwell's silver and Cadwell's gold. Still hunting down skyshards, doing the main quests in the DLC's and getting ranked up in Cyro.

I have about 20 free points. FWIW I don't feel wimpy at all and can pull 25-30K dps.

Juju_beans

Alamakot wrote: »

ok. forget what I wrote in previous post, did it before read full thread.

for some All-In-One builds (tank, dps, healer, thief, assasin and master crafter of all trades) probably even 500 skillpoints will be not enough

It absolutely won't because there's more skills than points in the game.

Asardes

Juju_beans wrote: »

There's 50

Asardes wrote: »

Sweet_Cicero wrote: »

Why not limit each character you have to one crafting tree each? Have a clothier, a blacksmith, an alchemist, etc. That would free up alot of skill points across the board.

That would be pretty bad, since motifs are shared between those skills. Also furnishing requires competence in multiple crafting profession. Best option is to have high end crafting on a single character, with just enough combat skills and passive to fill a single role. That's doable with ~180-200 skill points.

That's what I did. My crafter is also my main. I'm dps only with bow/dw maxed and only have points in other skills/passives I use.

I only have 1 point in hireling and 1 point in keen eye. Still researching so that's 12 points coming back to me.
I also did Cadwell's silver and Cadwell's gold. Still hunting down skyshards, doing the main quests in the DLC's and getting ranked up in Cyro.

I have about 20 free points. FWIW I don't feel wimpy at all and can pull 25-30K dps.

If you are on a class that doesn't use class skills much, like Stamina Sorcerer or Templar, you can probably minimize that cost further. For example stamina Sorcerer only needs:

Dark Magic: Suppression Field (2), Dark Deal (2), Passives (8) - 12
Daedric Summoning: Greater Storm Atronach (2), Bound Armaments (2), Passives (8) - 12
Storm Calling: Hurricane (2), Critical Surge (2), Passives (8) - 12
Dual Wield: All skills and passives morphed - 22
Bow: Ballista (2), Endless Hails (2), Poison Injection (2), Passives (10) - 16
Medium Armor: All skills and passives - 13
Light Armor: passives that don't require 5 pieces - 7
Heavy Armor: passives that don't require 5 pieces - 7
Fighters Guild: Flawless Dawnbreaker (2), Camouflaged Hunter (2), Rearming Trap (2), Passives (8) - 14
Mages Guild: Persuasive Will (1)
Undaunted: Undaunted Command (2) and Undaunted Mettle (2) - 4
Assault: Retreating Maneuver (2), Resolving Vigor (2), Razor Caltrops (2) - 6
Racials passives: 10
Alchemy: Medicinal Use - 3

That's 140 skill points, and you can basically perform as melee DD in any content, even with some skills being really niche since they are only used for specific bits of content (ex. Suppression Field in some vMA stages and vHRC HM if you don't have a magicka Sorcerer in group)

Now crafting (non-essentials in brackets):
Alchemy passives - 14 (already counted Medicinal use since it's essential for combat)
Blacksmithing - 18 (22 if you are researching, 25 with hireling)
Clothing - 18 (22 if you are researching, 25 with hireling)
Woodworking - 18 (23 if you are researching, 25 with hireling)
Enchanting - 12 (15 with hireling, 18 with rune extraction)
Provisioning - 14 (20 with Gourmand/Connoiseur, 23 if you all hirelings)

So between 94 - 130 skill points

The total is between 234 and 270 skill points if you really want to have even stuff with debatable utility specced. If you want a bare bones combat build with essential crafting (no hirelings and other BS) you can probably do it with 200 too.

That's why I have multiple builds, for PvE and PvP, and still everything remotely useful specced in crafting with 360 skill points. Plenty of "fat" to trim in order to accomodate Summerset skills.

CurlyQTip

This is why you junk an old character into a craft only character, and then use them as a secondary research bank

Bam_Bam

My main crafter has 214 skill points. After carefully selecting passives and skills, he has12 sklll points left. He uses 2h on both bars and just a few class skills and yet all skill points are used up. I need to get 20-22 more for jewellery crafting

Asardes

According to the patch notes there are only 5 material tiers for jewelry crafting. That means only 4 skill points invested to fully unlock the tiers, since the first one will most likely be free, just like the other crafting lines. Tempering & refine passives have 3 ranks, which means another 3 points invested in each. Also they mentioned that the research passive doesn't allow researching multiple items, just speeds up research. So I'm expecting just 3 points there. Looking at other traits hirelings don't seem to be worth it. Keen eye passive may look attractive, depending how maximum level nodes actually look in game. So with with 13-17 skill points you can fully spec the skill. The chapter itself gives 12 points and you won't be able to even use the stations unless you bought it. So competing the main stories, finding the shards and completing the public dungeon events will allow you to spec that new skill.

Bam_Bam

Asardes wrote: »

According to the patch notes there are only 5 material tiers for jewelry crafting. That means only 4 skill points invested to fully unlock the tiers, since the first one will most likely be free, just like the other crafting lines. Tempering & refine passives have 3 ranks, which means another 3 points invested in each. Also they mentioned that the research passive doesn't allow researching multiple items, just speeds up research. So I'm expecting just 3 points there. Looking at other traits hirelings don't seem to be worth it. Keen eye passive may look attractive, depending how maximum level nodes actually look in game. So with with 13-17 skill points you can fully spec the skill. The chapter itself gives 12 points and you won't be able to even use the stations unless you bought it. So competing the main stories, finding the shards and completing the public dungeon events will allow you to spec that new skill.

Very handy to know. Possible that we might also get a point or 2 in the skillline from reading books also.

Bam_Bam

For people on PC who are wondering where to find skill points; I would urge you to get the Urich's Skill Point Finder addon. It shows what quests you still have to do and ALSO which skyshards you haven't collected.

erliesc

SydneyGrey wrote: »

My master crafter is now going through all the Clockwork City quests just for the skill points, because she's already gone through literally every delve in the game, and many of the 4-man dungeons.

Yeah, it would be nice to have a few extra skill points with Summerset.

I have one crafter so far...who has much problem finding skill points. Has zero now. He goes to great lengths to find skyshards.

But I have another character that has currently 18 unused skill points..she will be the jewelry crafter...hope this works out. Not sure if there is something needed to start jewelry crafting.

erliesc

vamp_emily wrote: »

Come to PvP and get your skyshards ... hehe

ooo never mind we don't have enough tissues for you players.

Was in a cave....sneaking in...had a couple of gankers run by chased by bears I think it was. While they were otherwise engaged I ran up and got a skill point....barely. Too bad for the ganker brigade.

erliesc

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Yo anyone who hasn't reached Grand Overlord shouldn't be acting like those are just 50 free skill points lying around. I've done it once, on my main, and it took years of playing at a good clip. Only the first five or so come easily, the curve is steep.

Maybe, but the first 10-15 skill points for Alliance War rank are ungodly easy ...

My crafter has been reduced to chasing skill points in Cyrodill...good to know they are easy.....

ghastley

Skill points won't be the problem. All those new traits, and time to research them, that will be the problem. You can get multiple skyshards in a single session, but a day still takes a day.

zaria

Sparr0w wrote: »

Going to take longer than a month to hunt down all skyshards/skill points on Xbox Crafter is a Mag Dunmer covering Healer, DPS and Tank so skill points are sapped dry...

How can you cower tank with setup? unless its an dps/tank or healing tank for easier content?
Main is Healer / DD, pvp spec for causal pvp (=zerg).
Main so done all quests and all dungeon quests, all skyshards and public dungeons, 24 free skillpoints.
Few point into the ledgerman, TG and DB lines.
All researched that saves some points.

Tasear

People who don't need skill points are people who have crafter on a different crafter or B going to ask us to craft for them

Taleof2Cities

Tasear wrote: »

People who don't need skill points are people who have crafter on a different crafter or B going to ask us to craft for them

Not always.

Some of us have spent the requisite time needed to gather up skill points ... then later had them refunded.

Such as getting crafting research passive skill points back after researching all 9 traits. Or, changing a build with respec and getting some points back that way.

Regardless, ZOS isn’t going to cater to a small minority of playstyles where one character unlocks both magicka and stam abilities and still does crafting.

Last time I checked, there are 15 character slots available to enable a character to do jewelrycrafting ... but there are plenty of skill points already to do crafting and combat on one character.

Asardes

Tasear wrote: »

People who don't need skill points are people who have crafter on a different crafter or B going to ask us to craft for them

I have all crafting skills fully specced, and I do all end game crafting on a character that's my tank, stamina DD, and PvP. He has 367 skill points. I won't bother to write down how they're distributed, since there's a web site for that.
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=54347 I will only point out what I can drop since I never use.

I specced a lot of skill points in certain skills I don't use ever, because there was literally no other skill to dump them:
Flame Lash (2), Stone Giant (2), Fossilize (2), Onslaught (2), Rend (2), Bloodthirst (2), Flying Blade (2), Draining Shot (2), Acid Spray (2), Immovable Brute (2), Light Fingers (4), Traficker (4) - has all thief achievements already, Silver Shards (2), Camouflaged Hunter (2) - does the same thing as Flames of Oblivion, Tangling Webs (2), Bone Surge (2)

That's 36 skill points I can recover easily, and spec in whatever I want. I will free all of those up when Summerset comes, since for a limited time you'll be able to respec for 1 gold per skill points. They will go as follows:
Crushing Shock (2), Elemental Blockade (2), Elemental Force (2), Structured Entropy (2), Balance (2), Mage Adept (2), Everlasting Magic (2), Magicka Controller (2)
Those skills are necessary for certain changes in my tank build, and they take up 16 skill points, so there are 20 I can use for jewelry crafting. I don't think there are even so many passives there.

And that's before considering the 12 or more skill points I can get by playing Summerset, and whatever skill points I may earn by ranking up in PvP.

Colecovision

Sorry if I missed it, but does anyone know many points are available in Summerset? I found a few skyshards on PTS, but I didn't do the main quest or dungeons.

My crafter is my main, so I run out sometimes. When I do, I refund back the morphs and only add them as I actually slot the skills. If that fails, I get all the points back and do the same thing. Turns out bow is actually just 2 skills and the ultimate. Shadowy Supplier and hirelings are the last to return. I only use 1 keen eye for alchemy and one for clothing. I'm finally at a point where I don't need the main research passives, so I'll be getting those 9 back as well.

While leveling up, the overload of skillpoints in crafting pretty much ruined the experience, but deep in the game, I'm able to work with it.

MilwaukeeScott

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

Heres my list as of CwC.
Hope this helps...
TOTAL IN-GAME SKILL POINTS: 394

Big freakin insightful awesomeness!! Thank you!