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Counter to bleed builds?
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IZZEFlameLash✭✭✭✭✭
✭Oh jesus.... haven’t you figured out by now this game is rock paper scissors? You think everyone dies to a bleed build? Of course not. Someone out there is doing just fine against them so either change your build or deal with it. You will never create the god build you’re looking for that destroys everything out there.
Bleeds are in the game for a reason. Without defile, healers will never get killed. Without bleeds, you won’t take down permablockers. You need a broader vision of the game... not just from your shoes.
The game is not rock paper scissors though. That is the problem. And broader vision of the game says it is not balanced. There's no place for tanks in PvP for example. Everything is countered by dps.Edited by IZZEFlameLash on June 7, 2018 2:05AMImperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel2 -
Thogard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The counter to a bleed build is being in a real group with a real composition. Bleed builds demolish pugs, casuals, and anyone solo.... but they’re next to useless in high end small scale (3-6 group size) PvP where healing is stacked and purifies available.
A bleed build is a fun build to mess around on and duel on, but at the end of the day it’s a build that’s totally dependent on your opponents not being organized or prepared. The same groups that stack bleeds against me when I solo queue tend to be the ones that whine the most and call me a try hard when I stomp them 4v4 with a group with a real class composition. I wouldn’t have to try so hard if you weren’t running builds designed to beat people who aren’t trying....
But yeah I have one too on my DK and it’s pretty fun to run. Wish it was a NB tho so I could cloak out of all the bleeds that get applied to me lol.
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Zeromaz✭✭✭✭IZZEFlameLash wrote: »Oh jesus.... haven’t you figured out by now this game is rock paper scissors? You think everyone dies to a bleed build? Of course not. Someone out there is doing just fine against them so either change your build or deal with it. You will never create the god build you’re looking for that destroys everything out there.
Bleeds are in the game for a reason. Without defile, healers will never get killed. Without bleeds, you won’t take down permablockers. You need a broader vision of the game... not just from your shoes.
The game is not rock paper scissors though. That is the problem. And broader vision of the game says it is not balanced. There's no place for tanks in PvP for example. Everything is countered by dps.
You have difficulty beating bleed builds, correct? If i run a bleed build, i have difficulty killing other classes and specs i otherwise wouldn’t on another build. Thats exactly what rock paper scissors is. Rock is unbalanced when playing against paper, paper when playing against scissors etc....and who are you to say tanks don’t belong in pvp? Perhaps others will take that in consideration when you start paying thier subscription and for their time invested. I won’t brand anything deeper than that, but you’re proving my point.0 -
BohnT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭IZZEFlameLash wrote: »Oh jesus.... haven’t you figured out by now this game is rock paper scissors? You think everyone dies to a bleed build? Of course not. Someone out there is doing just fine against them so either change your build or deal with it. You will never create the god build you’re looking for that destroys everything out there.
Bleeds are in the game for a reason. Without defile, healers will never get killed. Without bleeds, you won’t take down permablockers. You need a broader vision of the game... not just from your shoes.
The game is not rock paper scissors though. That is the problem. And broader vision of the game says it is not balanced. There's no place for tanks in PvP for example. Everything is countered by dps.
You have difficulty beating bleed builds, correct? If i run a bleed build, i have difficulty killing other classes and specs i otherwise wouldn’t on another build. Thats exactly what rock paper scissors is. Rock is unbalanced when playing against paper, paper when playing against scissors etc....and who are you to say tanks don’t belong in pvp? Perhaps others will take that in consideration when you start paying thier subscription and for their time invested. I won’t brand anything deeper than that, but you’re proving my point.
No the game isn't Rock, paper scissors and hopefully never will be because that'll mean that the best players just lose when they have to fight against the thing that hardcounters them even when it's played by an absolute pleb.
That's not balance that's bullcrapEdited by BohnT on June 7, 2018 3:36AM0 -
Zeromaz✭✭✭✭IZZEFlameLash wrote: »Oh jesus.... haven’t you figured out by now this game is rock paper scissors? You think everyone dies to a bleed build? Of course not. Someone out there is doing just fine against them so either change your build or deal with it. You will never create the god build you’re looking for that destroys everything out there.
Bleeds are in the game for a reason. Without defile, healers will never get killed. Without bleeds, you won’t take down permablockers. You need a broader vision of the game... not just from your shoes.
The game is not rock paper scissors though. That is the problem. And broader vision of the game says it is not balanced. There's no place for tanks in PvP for example. Everything is countered by dps.
You have difficulty beating bleed builds, correct? If i run a bleed build, i have difficulty killing other classes and specs i otherwise wouldn’t on another build. Thats exactly what rock paper scissors is. Rock is unbalanced when playing against paper, paper when playing against scissors etc....and who are you to say tanks don’t belong in pvp? Perhaps others will take that in consideration when you start paying thier subscription and for their time invested. I won’t brand anything deeper than that, but you’re proving my point.
No the game isn't Rock, paper scissors and hopefully never will be because that'll mean that the best players just lose when they have to fight against the thing that hardcounters them even when it's played by an absolute pleb.
That's not balance that's bullcrap
But you’re saying you can’t beat a bleed build... if thats not a prime example of RPS then what is it?1 -
BohnT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭IZZEFlameLash wrote: »Oh jesus.... haven’t you figured out by now this game is rock paper scissors? You think everyone dies to a bleed build? Of course not. Someone out there is doing just fine against them so either change your build or deal with it. You will never create the god build you’re looking for that destroys everything out there.
Bleeds are in the game for a reason. Without defile, healers will never get killed. Without bleeds, you won’t take down permablockers. You need a broader vision of the game... not just from your shoes.
The game is not rock paper scissors though. That is the problem. And broader vision of the game says it is not balanced. There's no place for tanks in PvP for example. Everything is countered by dps.
You have difficulty beating bleed builds, correct? If i run a bleed build, i have difficulty killing other classes and specs i otherwise wouldn’t on another build. Thats exactly what rock paper scissors is. Rock is unbalanced when playing against paper, paper when playing against scissors etc....and who are you to say tanks don’t belong in pvp? Perhaps others will take that in consideration when you start paying thier subscription and for their time invested. I won’t brand anything deeper than that, but you’re proving my point.
No the game isn't Rock, paper scissors and hopefully never will be because that'll mean that the best players just lose when they have to fight against the thing that hardcounters them even when it's played by an absolute pleb.
That's not balance that's bullcrap
But you’re saying you can’t beat a bleed build... if thats not a prime example of RPS then what is it?
Bad game design3 -
IZZEFlameLash✭✭✭✭✭
✭IZZEFlameLash wrote: »Oh jesus.... haven’t you figured out by now this game is rock paper scissors? You think everyone dies to a bleed build? Of course not. Someone out there is doing just fine against them so either change your build or deal with it. You will never create the god build you’re looking for that destroys everything out there.
Bleeds are in the game for a reason. Without defile, healers will never get killed. Without bleeds, you won’t take down permablockers. You need a broader vision of the game... not just from your shoes.
The game is not rock paper scissors though. That is the problem. And broader vision of the game says it is not balanced. There's no place for tanks in PvP for example. Everything is countered by dps.
You have difficulty beating bleed builds, correct? If i run a bleed build, i have difficulty killing other classes and specs i otherwise wouldn’t on another build. Thats exactly what rock paper scissors is. Rock is unbalanced when playing against paper, paper when playing against scissors etc....and who are you to say tanks don’t belong in pvp? Perhaps others will take that in consideration when you start paying thier subscription and for their time invested. I won’t brand anything deeper than that, but you’re proving my point.
But in this game, we see scissors beating everyone. And true RPS would imply that DPS will never beat tanks and so on as indicated by scissors never beating rocks. DPS does everything. And everything PvP in this game revolve around DPS. Only real counter to bleed build is to kill the person before they get you. DPS vs DPS is not really RPS. It is just merely a DPS race.
And yes, I killed a lot and killed by bleed builds.Edited by IZZEFlameLash on June 7, 2018 5:44AMImperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel0 -
Zeromaz✭✭✭✭IZZEFlameLash wrote: »IZZEFlameLash wrote: »Oh jesus.... haven’t you figured out by now this game is rock paper scissors? You think everyone dies to a bleed build? Of course not. Someone out there is doing just fine against them so either change your build or deal with it. You will never create the god build you’re looking for that destroys everything out there.
Bleeds are in the game for a reason. Without defile, healers will never get killed. Without bleeds, you won’t take down permablockers. You need a broader vision of the game... not just from your shoes.
The game is not rock paper scissors though. That is the problem. And broader vision of the game says it is not balanced. There's no place for tanks in PvP for example. Everything is countered by dps.
You have difficulty beating bleed builds, correct? If i run a bleed build, i have difficulty killing other classes and specs i otherwise wouldn’t on another build. Thats exactly what rock paper scissors is. Rock is unbalanced when playing against paper, paper when playing against scissors etc....and who are you to say tanks don’t belong in pvp? Perhaps others will take that in consideration when you start paying thier subscription and for their time invested. I won’t brand anything deeper than that, but you’re proving my point.
But in this game, we see scissors beating everyone. And true RPS would imply that DPS will never beat tanks and so on as indicated by scissors never beating rocks. DPS does everything. And everything PvP in this game revolve around DPS. Only real counter to bleed build is to kill the person before they get you. DPS vs DPS is not really RPS. It is just merely a DPS race.
And yes, I killed a lot and killed by bleed builds.
I understand your gripe... however when i said RPS i didn't mean tank/healer/dps... i meant build by build.. anyway, forget all that. I honestly have a hard time believing most people are having this issue. I believe people get upset for seeing such a huge number in their death recap. If you really want to do something about bleeds.. i think it would be a fair fix if they simply made them not able to crit0 -
Ender1310✭✭✭✭Stuns. Don't remember getting stunned this much. Don't help immunity is glitched allowing back to back stuns.1 -
Ender1310✭✭✭✭This game is starting to feel like wow with zerglings spamming their pew pew buttons for a kill.0
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