Do you want crown crates gone?

DieAlteHexe

No

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

I'd rather expensive, limited-time direct purchases over the (tweekable) RNG drop rates of crown crates. At least you know what you're getting, but hat's off to ZoS, they manage to entice those with loose wallets (and loose minds) to part with their cash.

Y'know, there is no reason, other than pure cussedness, to call people who do enjoy a go with crates derisory names. Because you don't care for them, for whatever reason, does not make those who do buy them and enjoy them "loose minded" or "brain dead" or any of the other terms.

Really, it's fine to dislike/hate them, but it's not needed to be snarky at those who do.

Mom, is that you?

Thank you for giving me permission to dislike or hate something. That's very kind of you.

I'll be sure to make sure my posts receive your very own special golden seal of approval next time.

Ooooh, sarcasm.

Point remains, sarcasm or no. Hard to foster discussion/debate flinging (verbal) poo at one another.

It's not up to you to police my posts. Well intentioned though I'm sure it is.

I have absolutely no expectation that you or anyone else is required to take my advice. I do, however, retain the right to, politely and within the rules, comment.

I did, I'm done. Point was made.

LadyAstrum

Yes

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

I'd rather expensive, limited-time direct purchases over the (tweekable) RNG drop rates of crown crates. At least you know what you're getting, but hat's off to ZoS, they manage to entice those with loose wallets (and loose minds) to part with their cash.

Y'know, there is no reason, other than pure cussedness, to call people who do enjoy a go with crates derisory names. Because you don't care for them, for whatever reason, does not make those who do buy them and enjoy them "loose minded" or "brain dead" or any of the other terms.

Really, it's fine to dislike/hate them, but it's not needed to be snarky at those who do.

Mom, is that you?

Thank you for giving me permission to dislike or hate something. That's very kind of you.

I'll be sure to make sure my posts receive your very own special golden seal of approval next time.

Ooooh, sarcasm.

Point remains, sarcasm or no. Hard to foster discussion/debate flinging (verbal) poo at one another.

It's not up to you to police my posts. Well intentioned though I'm sure it is.

I have absolutely no expectation that you or anyone else is required to take my advice. I do, however, retain the right to, politely and within the rules, comment.

I did, I'm done. Point was made.

Then kindly refrain from doing it again. What you did was take focus from my point and derailed us both.

LanceFoxMcCloud

Yes

Yes I'd love to see them gone, for in my opinion they diminish the "value" of the game itself. I was drawn to this game when it released because you litterally had to WORK for almost everything you recieved.

Now, only if you throw $1500 at Zo$, will you even get a statistical CHANCE at something you wish to obtain. It's extremely distasteful and borderline predatory practices.

DieAlteHexe

No

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

I'd rather expensive, limited-time direct purchases over the (tweekable) RNG drop rates of crown crates. At least you know what you're getting, but hat's off to ZoS, they manage to entice those with loose wallets (and loose minds) to part with their cash.

Y'know, there is no reason, other than pure cussedness, to call people who do enjoy a go with crates derisory names. Because you don't care for them, for whatever reason, does not make those who do buy them and enjoy them "loose minded" or "brain dead" or any of the other terms.

Really, it's fine to dislike/hate them, but it's not needed to be snarky at those who do.

Mom, is that you?

Thank you for giving me permission to dislike or hate something. That's very kind of you.

I'll be sure to make sure my posts receive your very own special golden seal of approval next time.

Ooooh, sarcasm.

Point remains, sarcasm or no. Hard to foster discussion/debate flinging (verbal) poo at one another.

It's not up to you to police my posts. Well intentioned though I'm sure it is.

I have absolutely no expectation that you or anyone else is required to take my advice. I do, however, retain the right to, politely and within the rules, comment.

I did, I'm done. Point was made.

Then kindly refrain from doing it again. What you did was take focus from my point and derailed us both.

Irony!

I'll continue along as I deem necessary but I will make a note that you have objected.

phermitgb

Yes

My message to ZOS/Bethesda/Devs/Accountants/CEO's/leprechauns - whomever is responsible for requiring development along the crown crate line

Yes, I want them gone - I want you to remove crown crates as a feature of ESO

just to be clear - I have not spent one dime on your crown crates, nor do I intend to, ever

even if you offered something I desperately wanted; because it's only randomly, *potentially* available, I wouldn't spend any money on it - I could spend vastly more than I want and STILL not get it, and that's an intolerable waste of my money

because you frequently offer things I'm only mildly interested in in your randomized crown crates instead of as reliable purchases from the crown store, there are a variety of things I *may* have purchased directly from the crown store that I haven't - ergo, you're losing sales - from me, at least

also, my personal opinion of your company as a whole has been lowered, which I know you don't give a damn about, but it DOES have a subtle influence on what I am willing to pay for and how long I'm willing to continue playing your game and purchasing related products - this could be costing you money again, although you'll never be able to put a solid number on it

I find your inclusion of crown crates to be personally insulting, as well as a general "*** you" to the community at large (you seem to be effectively saying "we'll take your money and give you...aaawwww...whatever this random number generator decides you get, we don't really give a ***, as long as we have your money - SUCKER!!"). I have no objection to you making money off of your game - I've been subscribing since launch - and I've actually been quite satisfied with the current perks of subscription benefits

nevertheless, I find crown crates to be a failure in every possible way, and *I* want you to remove them.

on a side note, I'd also like you to remove limited time sales, and just create a mighty catalogue of all the otherwise interesting and intriguing items many of us would have LIKED TO HAVE ACTUALLY SPENT MONEY ON at some point but you wouldn't let us...I give you the following hypothetical scenario to demonstrate my point...

hey, our business isn't making enough money - lets LIMIT THE WINDOW IN WHICH PEOPLE CAN PURCHASE THINGS THEY WANT...then, if they missed it, or got angry about the fact that we tried to desperately pressure them into buying it, it's gone, and WE'LL NEVER GET THE MONEY WE MIGHT...have...hrm...maybe that's NOT the best idea.

It's not the best idea...

I challenge your business accountants to try and calculate the purchases from a limited time sale as such...
1 - people that were always going to buy the product in question
2 - people that only bought the product because they were on the fence and the time pressure put them over
3 - people that would have bought the product but couldn't because they missed the window due to outside concerns
4 - people that might have bought the product but found the limited time window an actual turn-off (the counter to group 2)
5 - people that might have eventually bought the product had they an unlimited window in which to purchase it, but can't

the problem with my above question, is, of course, that several groups can't really be measured in any quantifiable sense - but those groups DO exist, and they DO have an impact on your sales

and I'll point out, that category 1 is essentially a fixed number (not that the actual number is fixed, but this CATEGORY doesn't change whether or not sales are limited time or not), whereas the positive increase in sales accounts for 1 (one) factor, and the negative changes to sales account for the OTHER 3 (THREE) factors...

I venture the theory that it's quite possible that you're losing more sales to limited time sales rather than increasing them (although the existence of limited time sales items IN crown crates does skew that number)

this went on longer than I originally intended...

LadyAstrum

Yes

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

I'd rather expensive, limited-time direct purchases over the (tweekable) RNG drop rates of crown crates. At least you know what you're getting, but hat's off to ZoS, they manage to entice those with loose wallets (and loose minds) to part with their cash.

Y'know, there is no reason, other than pure cussedness, to call people who do enjoy a go with crates derisory names. Because you don't care for them, for whatever reason, does not make those who do buy them and enjoy them "loose minded" or "brain dead" or any of the other terms.

Really, it's fine to dislike/hate them, but it's not needed to be snarky at those who do.

Mom, is that you?

Thank you for giving me permission to dislike or hate something. That's very kind of you.

I'll be sure to make sure my posts receive your very own special golden seal of approval next time.

Ooooh, sarcasm.

Point remains, sarcasm or no. Hard to foster discussion/debate flinging (verbal) poo at one another.

It's not up to you to police my posts. Well intentioned though I'm sure it is.

I have absolutely no expectation that you or anyone else is required to take my advice. I do, however, retain the right to, politely and within the rules, comment.

I did, I'm done. Point was made.

Then kindly refrain from doing it again. What you did was take focus from my point and derailed us both.

Irony!

I'll continue along as I deem necessary but I will make a note that you have objected.

lol okay, police lady DieAlteHexe, you do that

On topic, there is a degree of loose-mindedness with the generous purchasing of crates....and when I said that, I meant that for some people the boundaries are flung wide and caution thrown to the wind. The original comment was not meant as derogatory as you deemed it.

I am frequently loose-minded when it comes to pretty horses, for example. There is not necessarily any rhyme nor reason, simply that I want the pretty thing.

DieAlteHexe

No

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

I'd rather expensive, limited-time direct purchases over the (tweekable) RNG drop rates of crown crates. At least you know what you're getting, but hat's off to ZoS, they manage to entice those with loose wallets (and loose minds) to part with their cash.

Y'know, there is no reason, other than pure cussedness, to call people who do enjoy a go with crates derisory names. Because you don't care for them, for whatever reason, does not make those who do buy them and enjoy them "loose minded" or "brain dead" or any of the other terms.

Really, it's fine to dislike/hate them, but it's not needed to be snarky at those who do.

Mom, is that you?

Thank you for giving me permission to dislike or hate something. That's very kind of you.

I'll be sure to make sure my posts receive your very own special golden seal of approval next time.

Ooooh, sarcasm.

Point remains, sarcasm or no. Hard to foster discussion/debate flinging (verbal) poo at one another.

It's not up to you to police my posts. Well intentioned though I'm sure it is.

I have absolutely no expectation that you or anyone else is required to take my advice. I do, however, retain the right to, politely and within the rules, comment.

I did, I'm done. Point was made.

Then kindly refrain from doing it again. What you did was take focus from my point and derailed us both.

Irony!

I'll continue along as I deem necessary but I will make a note that you have objected.

lol okay, police lady DieAlteHexe, you do that

On topic, there is a degree of loose-mindedness with the generous purchasing of crates....and when I said that, I meant that for some people the boundaries are flung wide and caution thrown to the wind. The original comment was not meant as derogatory as you deemed it.

I am frequently loose-minded when it comes to pretty horses, for example. There is not necessarily any rhyme nor reason, simply that I want the pretty thing.

Ah, well that's another kettle of fish. Then again, it was a general chastisement, not specifically aimed at you. Your post was what reminded me I wanted to speak out on the subject.

As for the rest, we're adults, I'm sure, so loose-minded we might be (and I'm a sucker for costumes and pets...eh, yeah, horses too) we can just hold out (I know, I know not easy) for direct sales or have a nice /tantrum in the privacy of our homes.

To be clear, I don't mind crates because I can either buy 'em or ignore 'em. I think a lot of grief could be avoided by allowing us to trade (not sell on) items. Because I I get one more boney, decaying mount, I'll get cranky. It's frustrating because there are so many folk who would love to take them off my hands and I'd be happy to see them used and enjoyed.

It would vastly simplify matters just to make everything "direct sales" and do away with the crates. I'm unconvinced that it's enough of a thrill/draw that the income couldn't be replaced going to direct sales.

But, have to confess, I'd miss Pacrooti.

Nova Sky

No

I don't gamble, so Crown crates don't bother me one bit. I feel sorry, sometimes, for the numbskulls — err, people — who drop tens of thousands of crowns worth of money on them, though.

LadyAstrum

Yes

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

I'd rather expensive, limited-time direct purchases over the (tweekable) RNG drop rates of crown crates. At least you know what you're getting, but hat's off to ZoS, they manage to entice those with loose wallets (and loose minds) to part with their cash.

Y'know, there is no reason, other than pure cussedness, to call people who do enjoy a go with crates derisory names. Because you don't care for them, for whatever reason, does not make those who do buy them and enjoy them "loose minded" or "brain dead" or any of the other terms.

Really, it's fine to dislike/hate them, but it's not needed to be snarky at those who do.

Mom, is that you?

Thank you for giving me permission to dislike or hate something. That's very kind of you.

I'll be sure to make sure my posts receive your very own special golden seal of approval next time.

Ooooh, sarcasm.

Point remains, sarcasm or no. Hard to foster discussion/debate flinging (verbal) poo at one another.

It's not up to you to police my posts. Well intentioned though I'm sure it is.

I have absolutely no expectation that you or anyone else is required to take my advice. I do, however, retain the right to, politely and within the rules, comment.

I did, I'm done. Point was made.

Then kindly refrain from doing it again. What you did was take focus from my point and derailed us both.

Irony!

I'll continue along as I deem necessary but I will make a note that you have objected.

lol okay, police lady DieAlteHexe, you do that

On topic, there is a degree of loose-mindedness with the generous purchasing of crates....and when I said that, I meant that for some people the boundaries are flung wide and caution thrown to the wind. The original comment was not meant as derogatory as you deemed it.

I am frequently loose-minded when it comes to pretty horses, for example. There is not necessarily any rhyme nor reason, simply that I want the pretty thing.

Ah, well that's another kettle of fish. Then again, it was a general chastisement, not specifically aimed at you. Your post was what reminded me I wanted to speak out on the subject.

As for the rest, we're adults, I'm sure, so loose-minded we might be (and I'm a sucker for costumes and pets...eh, yeah, horses too) we can just hold out (I know, I know not easy) for direct sales or have a nice /tantrum in the privacy of our homes.

To be clear, I don't mind crates because I can either buy 'em or ignore 'em. I think a lot of grief could be avoided by allowing us to trade (not sell on) items. Because I I get one more boney, decaying mount, I'll get cranky. It's frustrating because there are so many folk who would love to take them off my hands and I'd be happy to see them used and enjoyed.

It would vastly simplify matters just to make everything "direct sales" and do away with the crates. I'm unconvinced that it's enough of a thrill/draw that the income couldn't be replaced going to direct sales.

But, have to confess, I'd miss Pacrooti.

You're not wrong to feel that way about labelling peope with unkind name-calling. It is unnecessary to verbally degrade people based on their spending habits.
I remember feeling concerned that I was going to somehow get in-game abuse for using that sparkly horse, based on the amount of dislike some people expressed on the forum about it, and so no one should feel belittled for buying what they want. Even if it doesn't seem sensible or rational.

My dislike of the crates stems from a sense of unease I get when people buy hundreds of crates, only to be faced with disappointment. Like you, I wish items were tradeable. I'd also like radiant mounts to be purchaseable with gems, and less consumables overall.

DieAlteHexe

No

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

I'd rather expensive, limited-time direct purchases over the (tweekable) RNG drop rates of crown crates. At least you know what you're getting, but hat's off to ZoS, they manage to entice those with loose wallets (and loose minds) to part with their cash.

Y'know, there is no reason, other than pure cussedness, to call people who do enjoy a go with crates derisory names. Because you don't care for them, for whatever reason, does not make those who do buy them and enjoy them "loose minded" or "brain dead" or any of the other terms.

Really, it's fine to dislike/hate them, but it's not needed to be snarky at those who do.

Mom, is that you?

Thank you for giving me permission to dislike or hate something. That's very kind of you.

I'll be sure to make sure my posts receive your very own special golden seal of approval next time.

Ooooh, sarcasm.

Point remains, sarcasm or no. Hard to foster discussion/debate flinging (verbal) poo at one another.

It's not up to you to police my posts. Well intentioned though I'm sure it is.

I have absolutely no expectation that you or anyone else is required to take my advice. I do, however, retain the right to, politely and within the rules, comment.

I did, I'm done. Point was made.

Then kindly refrain from doing it again. What you did was take focus from my point and derailed us both.

Irony!

I'll continue along as I deem necessary but I will make a note that you have objected.

lol okay, police lady DieAlteHexe, you do that

On topic, there is a degree of loose-mindedness with the generous purchasing of crates....and when I said that, I meant that for some people the boundaries are flung wide and caution thrown to the wind. The original comment was not meant as derogatory as you deemed it.

I am frequently loose-minded when it comes to pretty horses, for example. There is not necessarily any rhyme nor reason, simply that I want the pretty thing.

Ah, well that's another kettle of fish. Then again, it was a general chastisement, not specifically aimed at you. Your post was what reminded me I wanted to speak out on the subject.

As for the rest, we're adults, I'm sure, so loose-minded we might be (and I'm a sucker for costumes and pets...eh, yeah, horses too) we can just hold out (I know, I know not easy) for direct sales or have a nice /tantrum in the privacy of our homes.

To be clear, I don't mind crates because I can either buy 'em or ignore 'em. I think a lot of grief could be avoided by allowing us to trade (not sell on) items. Because I I get one more boney, decaying mount, I'll get cranky. It's frustrating because there are so many folk who would love to take them off my hands and I'd be happy to see them used and enjoyed.

It would vastly simplify matters just to make everything "direct sales" and do away with the crates. I'm unconvinced that it's enough of a thrill/draw that the income couldn't be replaced going to direct sales.

But, have to confess, I'd miss Pacrooti.

You're not wrong to feel that way about labelling peope with unkind name-calling. It is unnecessary to verbally degrade people based on their spending habits.
I remember feeling concerned that I was going to somehow get in-game abuse for using that sparkly horse, based on the amount of dislike some people expressed on the forum about it, and so no one should feel belittled for buying what they want. Even if it doesn't seem sensible or rational.

My dislike of the crates stems from a sense of unease I get when people buy hundreds of crates, only to be faced with disappointment. Like you, I wish items were tradeable. I'd also like radiant mounts to be purchaseable with gems, and less consumables overall.

Yeah, I remember we both were slugging away in the "sparkly horse" threads. I get a kick out of mine (yes, I broke down). Such a snoooooty horse, I love her. I did have someone make a snide comment and I just laughed...and sparkled off into the sunset. :

I swear trading would solve a lot of issues. I think I'm going to start whinging about this every chance I get.

LadyAstrum

Yes

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

I'd rather expensive, limited-time direct purchases over the (tweekable) RNG drop rates of crown crates. At least you know what you're getting, but hat's off to ZoS, they manage to entice those with loose wallets (and loose minds) to part with their cash.

Y'know, there is no reason, other than pure cussedness, to call people who do enjoy a go with crates derisory names. Because you don't care for them, for whatever reason, does not make those who do buy them and enjoy them "loose minded" or "brain dead" or any of the other terms.

Really, it's fine to dislike/hate them, but it's not needed to be snarky at those who do.

Mom, is that you?

Thank you for giving me permission to dislike or hate something. That's very kind of you.

I'll be sure to make sure my posts receive your very own special golden seal of approval next time.

Ooooh, sarcasm.

Point remains, sarcasm or no. Hard to foster discussion/debate flinging (verbal) poo at one another.

It's not up to you to police my posts. Well intentioned though I'm sure it is.

I have absolutely no expectation that you or anyone else is required to take my advice. I do, however, retain the right to, politely and within the rules, comment.

I did, I'm done. Point was made.

Then kindly refrain from doing it again. What you did was take focus from my point and derailed us both.

Irony!

I'll continue along as I deem necessary but I will make a note that you have objected.

lol okay, police lady DieAlteHexe, you do that

On topic, there is a degree of loose-mindedness with the generous purchasing of crates....and when I said that, I meant that for some people the boundaries are flung wide and caution thrown to the wind. The original comment was not meant as derogatory as you deemed it.

I am frequently loose-minded when it comes to pretty horses, for example. There is not necessarily any rhyme nor reason, simply that I want the pretty thing.

Ah, well that's another kettle of fish. Then again, it was a general chastisement, not specifically aimed at you. Your post was what reminded me I wanted to speak out on the subject.

As for the rest, we're adults, I'm sure, so loose-minded we might be (and I'm a sucker for costumes and pets...eh, yeah, horses too) we can just hold out (I know, I know not easy) for direct sales or have a nice /tantrum in the privacy of our homes.

To be clear, I don't mind crates because I can either buy 'em or ignore 'em. I think a lot of grief could be avoided by allowing us to trade (not sell on) items. Because I I get one more boney, decaying mount, I'll get cranky. It's frustrating because there are so many folk who would love to take them off my hands and I'd be happy to see them used and enjoyed.

It would vastly simplify matters just to make everything "direct sales" and do away with the crates. I'm unconvinced that it's enough of a thrill/draw that the income couldn't be replaced going to direct sales.

But, have to confess, I'd miss Pacrooti.

You're not wrong to feel that way about labelling peope with unkind name-calling. It is unnecessary to verbally degrade people based on their spending habits.
I remember feeling concerned that I was going to somehow get in-game abuse for using that sparkly horse, based on the amount of dislike some people expressed on the forum about it, and so no one should feel belittled for buying what they want. Even if it doesn't seem sensible or rational.

My dislike of the crates stems from a sense of unease I get when people buy hundreds of crates, only to be faced with disappointment. Like you, I wish items were tradeable. I'd also like radiant mounts to be purchaseable with gems, and less consumables overall.

Yeah, I remember we both were slugging away in the "sparkly horse" threads. I get a kick out of mine (yes, I broke down). Such a snoooooty horse, I love her. I did have someone make a snide comment and I just laughed...and sparkled off into the sunset. :

I swear trading would solve a lot of issues. I think I'm going to start whinging about this every chance I get.

Yes, we had our sparkly warpaint on for that one. And I'd do it again! No regrets. I love that horse too. It's nice when a purchase can bring some joy. With the crates it seems like they create a degree of misery, frustration and disappointment for some. That's sad to see, and perhaps being able to trade items would ease some of that for the less lucky.

The only mount I've had from a crate is a skeleton guar. I'd trade that for pretty much anything.

Florial

No

I don't mind them and will probably buy 5000 crowns worth on the new crates. If I'm not lucky, I will convert the stuff to gems and perhaps buy the motif books which I really do want. I do wish that they had more interesting stuff in them and a wider variety of loot though. Take out the potions and such. I also wished that some of the items were achievable in game----very low percentage drop but achievable never the less.

I'm not much of a gambler so if I do blow money, I go into it with low expectations.

DieAlteHexe

No

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

I'd rather expensive, limited-time direct purchases over the (tweekable) RNG drop rates of crown crates. At least you know what you're getting, but hat's off to ZoS, they manage to entice those with loose wallets (and loose minds) to part with their cash.

Y'know, there is no reason, other than pure cussedness, to call people who do enjoy a go with crates derisory names. Because you don't care for them, for whatever reason, does not make those who do buy them and enjoy them "loose minded" or "brain dead" or any of the other terms.

Really, it's fine to dislike/hate them, but it's not needed to be snarky at those who do.

Mom, is that you?

Thank you for giving me permission to dislike or hate something. That's very kind of you.

I'll be sure to make sure my posts receive your very own special golden seal of approval next time.

Ooooh, sarcasm.

Point remains, sarcasm or no. Hard to foster discussion/debate flinging (verbal) poo at one another.

It's not up to you to police my posts. Well intentioned though I'm sure it is.

I have absolutely no expectation that you or anyone else is required to take my advice. I do, however, retain the right to, politely and within the rules, comment.

I did, I'm done. Point was made.

Then kindly refrain from doing it again. What you did was take focus from my point and derailed us both.

Irony!

I'll continue along as I deem necessary but I will make a note that you have objected.

lol okay, police lady DieAlteHexe, you do that

On topic, there is a degree of loose-mindedness with the generous purchasing of crates....and when I said that, I meant that for some people the boundaries are flung wide and caution thrown to the wind. The original comment was not meant as derogatory as you deemed it.

I am frequently loose-minded when it comes to pretty horses, for example. There is not necessarily any rhyme nor reason, simply that I want the pretty thing.

Ah, well that's another kettle of fish. Then again, it was a general chastisement, not specifically aimed at you. Your post was what reminded me I wanted to speak out on the subject.

As for the rest, we're adults, I'm sure, so loose-minded we might be (and I'm a sucker for costumes and pets...eh, yeah, horses too) we can just hold out (I know, I know not easy) for direct sales or have a nice /tantrum in the privacy of our homes.

To be clear, I don't mind crates because I can either buy 'em or ignore 'em. I think a lot of grief could be avoided by allowing us to trade (not sell on) items. Because I I get one more boney, decaying mount, I'll get cranky. It's frustrating because there are so many folk who would love to take them off my hands and I'd be happy to see them used and enjoyed.

It would vastly simplify matters just to make everything "direct sales" and do away with the crates. I'm unconvinced that it's enough of a thrill/draw that the income couldn't be replaced going to direct sales.

But, have to confess, I'd miss Pacrooti.

You're not wrong to feel that way about labelling peope with unkind name-calling. It is unnecessary to verbally degrade people based on their spending habits.
I remember feeling concerned that I was going to somehow get in-game abuse for using that sparkly horse, based on the amount of dislike some people expressed on the forum about it, and so no one should feel belittled for buying what they want. Even if it doesn't seem sensible or rational.

My dislike of the crates stems from a sense of unease I get when people buy hundreds of crates, only to be faced with disappointment. Like you, I wish items were tradeable. I'd also like radiant mounts to be purchaseable with gems, and less consumables overall.

Yeah, I remember we both were slugging away in the "sparkly horse" threads. I get a kick out of mine (yes, I broke down). Such a snoooooty horse, I love her. I did have someone make a snide comment and I just laughed...and sparkled off into the sunset. :

I swear trading would solve a lot of issues. I think I'm going to start whinging about this every chance I get.

Yes, we had our sparkly warpaint on for that one. And I'd do it again! No regrets. I love that horse too. It's nice when a purchase can bring some joy. With the crates it seems like they create a degree of misery, frustration and disappointment for some. That's sad to see, and perhaps being able to trade items would ease of that for the less lucky.

The only mount I've had from a crate is a skeleton guar. I'd trade that for pretty much anything.

Heh, I have really, really good luck. I get a fair quantity of bonus cards and "cool" mounts/pets. Unfortunately they usually are of the sort I never use and I wish I could even GIVE them to someone who would/could. Same with /emotes which I very rarely use.

Trade! I'm tellin' you, ZMax, I'd almost bet purchasing would increase because we would not be worrying about getting things we won't use.

VDoom1

No

As much as I'd love for simpler alternatives than crates, I have to say no. When it comes to economy and money they are probably a big income for ZOS. If crates simply go, and nothing really replaces it. Then I dread some subscription will take it's place to compensate for the money loss.

However if there came some valid replacement for crates, I'd consider it.

One reason I like ESO is that you pay for it once and that's it. You have access to the entire game, everything. (Minus DLC's of course.) You do not have too spend another penny ever again.

Dayth

Yes

Shadowasrial wrote: »

Would you be willing to pay 5000 crowns for an radiant apex mount instead of gambling your money and crowns to more than likely not getting the mount you want? I know I have personally spent over 60,000 crowns to get the cold fire atro wolf mount. Didn’t do much as get a single apex mount much less a radiant one.

Basically the reason they will keep Crown Crates going as long as possible; Why would they make you spend 5000 Crowns for a mount you want when you're spending over 60,000 Crowns to not get the mount you want?

Although in all honesty I'd rather they had the price of radiant apex mounts at a ludicrous price like 15,000 mainly because they usually look absolutely ridiculous and I'd like to see as few of them as possible, but if someone is truly determined to have it they can still get it without paying something crazy like 60,000+ Crowns for it.

bloodthirstyvampire

No

Not as expensive as crates are, maybe 50% less crowns for crates at least, I always buy £50 of crates

Iselin

Yes

They cheapen the game. Buying exactly what you want without the casino RNG is the only honest way to sell.

alainjbrennanb16_ESO

Yes

yes they are simple gamble boxes no matter what way zos puts it

klowdy1

No

lordrichter wrote: »

klowdy1 wrote: »

These posts are the biggest entitlement threads I've seen after the "nerf stuff" posts. If you don't like them, move on. Having them in the game doesn't affect you like removing them would affect someone that enjoys them. If they stay, you can still ignore them, if they are removed, people that enjoy them lose out. If the devs wanted everyone riding on these mounts, they would sell them individually, as they do with other mounts. If you don't get the pretty pixels you want, stop trying, but don't take things away from others because YOU have a problem with it. It's my money, why should YOU have any bearing on how I spend it?

Why do the people who want Crown Crates get a pass while the people who don't want them get called "entitled" and accused of "nerfing stuff"?

I believe that the monetization used for the game, particularly the loot boxes, is causing harm to the gaming experience. I think this game would be more fun, and more engaging, without a lot of the monetization that happens. The term "sucks the life out" applies to monetization in this game.

The loot boxes provide no incentive for the studio to make their game better. Revenue is coming from RNG boxes filled with recycled junk. In no manner does the Crown Crate season move the game forward. The game is not better this month, compared to last month, because Scale-whatever Crown Crates are out.

Nothing at all says that the studio has to spend any of the money spent by people buying Crown Crates on the game. Players just assume that the studio will spend that money on the game. At no time have they said that this was the case, and they never will. I am sure that it isn't the case. They spend their money on whatever they want, ESO or not.

So, I actively see a game that I love is being slowly destroyed by monetization. All the people who participate in that monetization, the ones who are enjoying it, are doing so, to a degree, at my expense. Eventually, I will leave the game just because the monetization has successfully sucked out of it everything that I find fun about playing it, and placed it behind a cash register.

I certainly don't feel "entitled".

Keeping them in the game doesn't change anything for anyone, but removing something from the game does indeed have an outcome on someone that likes crates. You can ignore them, i cant wish them back into the game, though. Who is to say they would even work as hard as they do on the mounts this thread is really about, or at all. It could be taking away all chances to obtain these mounts, there is no guarantee these mounts would be directly purchaseable.

I honestly don't care what they spend the money on. The crates are fun for some, and you want to take that away, because not only do you not want to use them, you don't want anyone to use them, screw personal freedoms, and choice.

Soul_Marrow

Yes

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Soul_Marrow wrote: »

It's official. At least 36% of ESO players are simpletons. Sounds about right.

Heh, interesting when someone feels the need to be all snide when others' opinions differ. Name calling is just such a lame way to debate. Bring on some substance!

I didn't offer a debate, I offered my opinion. Like many others here, I remember when MMO's used to reward the grind, the challenge, the effort, the time invested, the commitment. You EARNED the things you had, you didn't luck into then by some loophole gambling lotto...which is exactly what this is. It's as bad as targeting kids for cigarettes in my opinion...and don't get into the game rating nonsense because that's a separate discussion. If you want to take the route of greed then allow people to buy things, not win them through rigged games of chance. I'll never support a corrupt, nonsensical system. Hence, 36 percent of ESO players are simpletons.
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*EDIT** Seems like the number went down so now 27% are simpletons...there's hope for us yet. The majority obviously has no say to ZOS. If this were a vote, it would be gone. Good riddance... remove the trash.

Jade1986

Yes

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Tapio75 wrote: »

They are part of games income, that keeps the game going. They serve a purpose because players are too foolish not to play subscriber games anymore.

Though i understand, that people are jealous about flashy stuff in crates, im pretty sure that these things would never be here without the crates so i suggest you just stop being jealous and carry on.

I dont generally like these things at all, but this is the gaming you scrooges have created, live with it.

Funny, the game was doing just fine without crates.

I wonder if the beancounters and BoD share that opinion. I'd wager, not.

Bottom line, folks, bottom line.

It was, which is why it was one of the most financially successful mmos around. Crates are about pure greed, not about the bottom line. Its no coincidence that we got a new team, and then crates were released and quality dropped.

Profit, yup. BoDs tend to really like seeing that, the more the merrier. Seems like the bandwagon is well and truly jumped on, pretty much across the genre.

I have to ask BoDs?

Sorry, not sure what you mean here so can't really respond to it.

What's a "BoD"?

Doh! Sorry. Board of Directors.

lol ok

Just woke up, sorry for being so thick.

Yeah, the BoDs is LITERALLY the problem with this game atm. Seriously, smurf them with a christmas tree.

Must be frustrating at meetings. The staff having to do things they probably aren't really thrilled about because of the suits. I could be projecting here (been there, dealt with that) but I kind of doubt it.

I doubt it too. From what I understand the people on the board are absolutely vile people with vile associations. So yeah, I would be pretty enraged at the end of every meeting if that is the case.

Jade1986

Yes

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

klowdy1 wrote: »

These posts are the biggest entitlement threads I've seen after the "nerf stuff" posts. If you don't like them, move on. Having them in the game doesn't affect you like removing them would affect someone that enjoys them. If they stay, you can still ignore them, if they are removed, people that enjoy them lose out. If the devs wanted everyone riding on these mounts, they would sell them individually, as they do with other mounts. If you don't get the pretty pixels you want, stop trying, but don't take things away from others because YOU have a problem with it. It's my money, why should YOU have any bearing on how I spend it?

Why do the people who want Crown Crates get a pass while the people who don't want them get called "entitled" and accused of "nerfing stuff"?

I believe that the monetization used for the game, particularly the loot boxes, is causing harm to the gaming experience. I think this game would be more fun, and more engaging, without a lot of the monetization that happens. The term "sucks the life out" applies to monetization in this game.

The loot boxes provide no incentive for the studio to make their game better. Revenue is coming from RNG boxes filled with recycled junk. In no manner does the Crown Crate season move the game forward. The game is not better this month, compared to last month, because Scale-whatever Crown Crates are out.

Nothing at all says that the studio has to spend any of the money spent by people buying Crown Crates on the game. Players just assume that the studio will spend that money on the game. At no time have they said that this was the case, and they never will. I am sure that it isn't the case. They spend their money on whatever they want, ESO or not.

So, I actively see a game that I love is being slowly destroyed by monetization. All the people who participate in that monetization, the ones who are enjoying it, are doing so, to a degree, at my expense. Eventually, I will leave the game just because the monetization has successfully sucked out of it everything that I find fun about playing it, and placed it behind a cash register.

I certainly don't feel "entitled".

Get a pass? LOL Have you not seen some of the, errr...nicknames that are given around here to those who want/don't hate crates?

I'm up to Nancy Potato Whale Loose-minded Moron. And that's just this past week!

This should be a band name, lol.

Surragard

No opinion

I don't buy them but you can always vote with your wallet. At the end of the day though the system is widely successful financially and it's not like ZoS came up with this crazy concept of loot boxes. This is just part of the industry now.

DieAlteHexe

No

Soul_Marrow wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Soul_Marrow wrote: »

It's official. At least 36% of ESO players are simpletons. Sounds about right.

Heh, interesting when someone feels the need to be all snide when others' opinions differ. Name calling is just such a lame way to debate. Bring on some substance!

I didn't offer a debate, I offered my opinion. Like many others here, I remember when MMO's used to reward the grind, the challenge, the effort, the time invested, the commitment. You EARNED the things you had, you didn't luck into then by some loophole gambling lotto...which is exactly what this is. It's as bad as targeting kids for cigarettes in my opinion...and don't get into the game rating nonsense because that's a separate discussion. If you want to take the route of greed then allow people to buy things, not win them through rigged games of chance. I'll never support a corrupt, nonsensical system. Hence, 36 percent of ESO players are simpletons.
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*EDIT** Seems like the number went down so now 27% are simpletons...there's hope for us yet. The majority obviously has no say to ZOS. If this were a vote, it would be gone. Good riddance... remove the trash.

Aye, I remember well the UO days followed by EQ. And I found the grind to be utterly boring and saw it for what it was; a method to keep players busy. Any game where when you are killed directly after leveling and lose the level needs to rethink "challenge". There are far better ways to have challenge in a game as history has since shown.

Also, because someone takes another stance, I don't need to denigrate them for it. I simply see them as just that, someone with a different stance.

DieAlteHexe

No

Jade1986 wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Tapio75 wrote: »

They are part of games income, that keeps the game going. They serve a purpose because players are too foolish not to play subscriber games anymore.

Though i understand, that people are jealous about flashy stuff in crates, im pretty sure that these things would never be here without the crates so i suggest you just stop being jealous and carry on.

I dont generally like these things at all, but this is the gaming you scrooges have created, live with it.

Funny, the game was doing just fine without crates.

I wonder if the beancounters and BoD share that opinion. I'd wager, not.

Bottom line, folks, bottom line.

It was, which is why it was one of the most financially successful mmos around. Crates are about pure greed, not about the bottom line. Its no coincidence that we got a new team, and then crates were released and quality dropped.

Profit, yup. BoDs tend to really like seeing that, the more the merrier. Seems like the bandwagon is well and truly jumped on, pretty much across the genre.

I have to ask BoDs?

Sorry, not sure what you mean here so can't really respond to it.

What's a "BoD"?

Doh! Sorry. Board of Directors.

lol ok

Just woke up, sorry for being so thick.

Yeah, the BoDs is LITERALLY the problem with this game atm. Seriously, smurf them with a christmas tree.

Must be frustrating at meetings. The staff having to do things they probably aren't really thrilled about because of the suits. I could be projecting here (been there, dealt with that) but I kind of doubt it.

I doubt it too. From what I understand the people on the board are absolutely vile people with vile associations. So yeah, I would be pretty enraged at the end of every meeting if that is the case.

No clue here about the board of directors aside from neer having encountered any who didn't have a deep and abiding love for that bottom line. Having been on the "staff" end, oh yeah, I know the frustration of seeing one's creation, hard work, muddled with in order to make those quarterly dividends juicier.

DieAlteHexe

No

Surragard wrote: »

I don't buy them but you can always vote with your wallet. At the end of the day though the system is widely successful financially and it's not like ZoS came up with this crazy concept of loot boxes. This is just part of the industry now.

S'truth and I'm not crazy about it in games where it does affect one's ability to progress or expedite progression. If it's vanity related, I take no issue.

peacenote

No

I don't mind the crates due to the gem system and the fact that they don't give you an in-game advantage.

I am against the Radiant Apex mounts and I have never purchased a single extra crate simply for a chance at getting one. They are way too rare to factor into my decision-making process. ZOS would get more money from me if they were available through crowns or gems.

Shadowasrial

Yes

Keep up the votes and comments can’t make change if your voice isn’t heard

Elsonso

Yes

Shadowasrial wrote: »

Keep up the votes and comments can’t make change if your voice isn’t heard

ZOS also has to be willing to change. That is much more important than any amount of voting or commentary.

I sense nothing that would make me think they have any plans to even think about changing.

munster1404

No

If the crates are gone, I wouldn't know what else to spend my 110K crowns on.