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Do you want crown crates gone?
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AlienSlof✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭YesI'd love to see them go and let us directly buy the items we want. I've only ever opened free crates, but my collection is filled with stuff I'll never use and would never buy, yet there are many things I WOULD buy if only they were sold directly. I hate gambling.
The sooner this practise is outlawed, the better.RIP Atherton, my beautiful little gentle friend, my Shining Light. I will miss you forever. Without you I am a hollow shell.2 -
Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭YesPetiteFire wrote: »mmoRPG. And most of the RP things are in the store, and the BEST RP stuff is in the crates. So it is sorta important. People seem to forget this is an RPG
But the majority of people who play this game do not role play. How are cosmetic mounts important other than vanity? And the cash shop costumes are awful, you can make better outfits yourself at the outfit station.
You dont have to have RP dates to rp in a an mmo. For example. I try to get into my character when I quest, RPing myself, and I know I am not alone here considering the mass majority of players are questers and story players. Bottom line, it wouldnt be so bad if they would release SOME regional mounts, or some nice outfits, or make the motif drop rates not asanine, but that is not the case. And then they put motifs and mounts, im looking at you Celestial, on the market for an absurd price, and put the most unique mounts behind a RNG paywall.4 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoI don't care for rare crate drops and if ZOS can make money this way, it affects me only in a good way like they can afford to put discounts on stuff I care about.
Actually, it effects you in a negative way because they release lower quality content and do less bug fixing because they realize they can make money through this kind of crap instead of releasing a quality stable product.
Good luck proving the causative link, even assuming that your description of the quality of the content and rate of bug fixing is accurate, which is in itself debatable.
Well, lets look. Orsinium was released, quality content with not SO many glitches, performance was better , there were no crown crates and there was less focus on the crown store. Lets fast forward. Vardenfell was released, performance has been dropping since after Orsinium release, which shortly after orsinium is when crown crates were released and more focus put on the store, an OBSURD amount of glitches, and its a new dev team. Its pretty obvious to anyone who has been playing since start and has played other mmos that went down this route.
Again, good luck proving the causative link. Your post is a combination of subjective opinion and speculation. My experience has been different to yours, I've noticed no reduction in performance or quality. Incidentally, I do not buy crown crates so am not approaching the subject from that particular bias unlike many whose opinion about the game post-crates is heavily influenced by their inherent dislike of them! As for other MMOs, I've played plenty of crap MMOs without lockboxes, and some decent ones with lockboxes, again the problem is proving a causative link where the influence of lockboxes on the rest of the game is concerned.
Look anywhere u go, ask anywhere u go in game. Almost everyone is experiencing worse performance now a days and there are an overabundance of glitches. You can't prove anything cuz zos isn't gonna be public about it, but a quick search on the forums, Reddit, etc will give you an absurd amount of performance issue topics since shortly after orsinium. Its cool tho, I don't expect to change your mind, your mind is set. Fun thing about facts tho, they are true whether you change your mind or not.
Still no proof of causative link tho and that's a fact, although I don't expect you to change your mind either.
Look, i don't particularly like crown crates but I deal with that by not buying them while respecting the free choice of others who do so and appreciating the revenue contribution they make to the game. What I'm not willing to do is blame crown crates for every conceivable issue some people may have with the game.Edited by Tandor on March 18, 2018 2:04PM0 -
Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭YesI don't care for rare crate drops and if ZOS can make money this way, it affects me only in a good way like they can afford to put discounts on stuff I care about.
Actually, it effects you in a negative way because they release lower quality content and do less bug fixing because they realize they can make money through this kind of crap instead of releasing a quality stable product.
Good luck proving the causative link, even assuming that your description of the quality of the content and rate of bug fixing is accurate, which is in itself debatable.
Well, lets look. Orsinium was released, quality content with not SO many glitches, performance was better , there were no crown crates and there was less focus on the crown store. Lets fast forward. Vardenfell was released, performance has been dropping since after Orsinium release, which shortly after orsinium is when crown crates were released and more focus put on the store, an OBSURD amount of glitches, and its a new dev team. Its pretty obvious to anyone who has been playing since start and has played other mmos that went down this route.
Again, good luck proving the causative link. Your post is a combination of subjective opinion and speculation. My experience has been different to yours, I've noticed no reduction in performance or quality. Incidentally, I do not buy crown crates so am not approaching the subject from that particular bias unlike many whose opinion about the game post-crates is heavily influenced by their inherent dislike of them! As for other MMOs, I've played plenty of crap MMOs without lockboxes, and some decent ones with lockboxes, again the problem is proving a causative link where the influence of lockboxes on the rest of the game is concerned.
Look anywhere u go, ask anywhere u go in game. Almost everyone is experiencing worse performance now a days and there are an overabundance of glitches. You can't prove anything cuz zos isn't gonna be public about it, but a quick search on the forums, Reddit, etc will give you an absurd amount of performance issue topics since shortly after orsinium. Its cool tho, I don't expect to change your mind, your mind is set. Fun thing about facts tho, they are true whether you change your mind or not.
Still no proof of causative link tho and that's a fact, although I don't expect you to change your mind either.
As little evidence as there is. There is more pointing toward what I said, than toward what you said. Scour the forums and reddit for threads praising Performance stability since orsinium, you will be hard pressed, and then scour them for the opposite. I can guarantee youll find far more complaining about performance and lack of Qol / QA / quality products since then. I honestly cant remember the last time someone praised performance stability in this game. Id be open to change my mind, if there were literally ANYTHING pointing in the other direction.3 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoI don't care for rare crate drops and if ZOS can make money this way, it affects me only in a good way like they can afford to put discounts on stuff I care about.
Actually, it effects you in a negative way because they release lower quality content and do less bug fixing because they realize they can make money through this kind of crap instead of releasing a quality stable product.
Good luck proving the causative link, even assuming that your description of the quality of the content and rate of bug fixing is accurate, which is in itself debatable.
Well, lets look. Orsinium was released, quality content with not SO many glitches, performance was better , there were no crown crates and there was less focus on the crown store. Lets fast forward. Vardenfell was released, performance has been dropping since after Orsinium release, which shortly after orsinium is when crown crates were released and more focus put on the store, an OBSURD amount of glitches, and its a new dev team. Its pretty obvious to anyone who has been playing since start and has played other mmos that went down this route.
Again, good luck proving the causative link. Your post is a combination of subjective opinion and speculation. My experience has been different to yours, I've noticed no reduction in performance or quality. Incidentally, I do not buy crown crates so am not approaching the subject from that particular bias unlike many whose opinion about the game post-crates is heavily influenced by their inherent dislike of them! As for other MMOs, I've played plenty of crap MMOs without lockboxes, and some decent ones with lockboxes, again the problem is proving a causative link where the influence of lockboxes on the rest of the game is concerned.
Look anywhere u go, ask anywhere u go in game. Almost everyone is experiencing worse performance now a days and there are an overabundance of glitches. You can't prove anything cuz zos isn't gonna be public about it, but a quick search on the forums, Reddit, etc will give you an absurd amount of performance issue topics since shortly after orsinium. Its cool tho, I don't expect to change your mind, your mind is set. Fun thing about facts tho, they are true whether you change your mind or not.
Still no proof of causative link tho and that's a fact, although I don't expect you to change your mind either.
As little evidence as there is. There is more pointing toward what I said, than toward what you said. Scour the forums and reddit for threads praising Performance stability since orsinium, you will be hard pressed, and then scour them for the opposite. I can guarantee youll find far more complaining about performance and lack of Qol / QA / quality products since then. I honestly cant remember the last time someone praised performance stability in this game. Id be open to change my mind, if there were literally ANYTHING pointing in the other direction.
Of course there's no evidence to prove a negative, the point is there's no evidence to prove the positive, just some people reporting issues with the game and some other people who dislike crown crates blaming them for those issues.0 -
Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭YesI don't care for rare crate drops and if ZOS can make money this way, it affects me only in a good way like they can afford to put discounts on stuff I care about.
Actually, it effects you in a negative way because they release lower quality content and do less bug fixing because they realize they can make money through this kind of crap instead of releasing a quality stable product.
Good luck proving the causative link, even assuming that your description of the quality of the content and rate of bug fixing is accurate, which is in itself debatable.
Well, lets look. Orsinium was released, quality content with not SO many glitches, performance was better , there were no crown crates and there was less focus on the crown store. Lets fast forward. Vardenfell was released, performance has been dropping since after Orsinium release, which shortly after orsinium is when crown crates were released and more focus put on the store, an OBSURD amount of glitches, and its a new dev team. Its pretty obvious to anyone who has been playing since start and has played other mmos that went down this route.
Again, good luck proving the causative link. Your post is a combination of subjective opinion and speculation. My experience has been different to yours, I've noticed no reduction in performance or quality. Incidentally, I do not buy crown crates so am not approaching the subject from that particular bias unlike many whose opinion about the game post-crates is heavily influenced by their inherent dislike of them! As for other MMOs, I've played plenty of crap MMOs without lockboxes, and some decent ones with lockboxes, again the problem is proving a causative link where the influence of lockboxes on the rest of the game is concerned.
Look anywhere u go, ask anywhere u go in game. Almost everyone is experiencing worse performance now a days and there are an overabundance of glitches. You can't prove anything cuz zos isn't gonna be public about it, but a quick search on the forums, Reddit, etc will give you an absurd amount of performance issue topics since shortly after orsinium. Its cool tho, I don't expect to change your mind, your mind is set. Fun thing about facts tho, they are true whether you change your mind or not.
Still no proof of causative link tho and that's a fact, although I don't expect you to change your mind either.
As little evidence as there is. There is more pointing toward what I said, than toward what you said. Scour the forums and reddit for threads praising Performance stability since orsinium, you will be hard pressed, and then scour them for the opposite. I can guarantee youll find far more complaining about performance and lack of Qol / QA / quality products since then. I honestly cant remember the last time someone praised performance stability in this game. Id be open to change my mind, if there were literally ANYTHING pointing in the other direction.
Of course there's no evidence to prove a negative, the point is there's no evidence to prove the positive, just some people reporting issues with the game and some other people who dislike crown crates blaming them for those issues.
True, there really is no evidence either way. However, one thing that is very much agreed upon, here, reddit, in game, is performance has dropped significantly over the years, QA has ceased to exist, and customer QoL improvements are near non existant. If its cuz of more focus on CC and the CS, or the new team, thats infinitely debateable, but I what I can say is I can pretty much count the people that are happy with performance and QA on one hand.Edited by Jade1986 on March 18, 2018 2:26PM0 -
AhPook_Is_Here✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoI don't use them, but they do subsidize my ESO experience and I am happy to let people do that if they want to. Gaming can mean many thing, we like to think of gaming as skill based or reflex based, Chess or Go being an examples of pure skill games, ESO's combat game-play is a kind of skill and reflex based game-play with a pretty quick learning curve to a plateau.
Luck based gaming is a thing though. There are luck and skill based games where understanding probability, hedging and stochastic concepts can help you win. Of course gambling games let you stake something in return for a chance to win something of comparable intrinsic value. With crown crates you are gambling money to win non-exchangeable or negotiable pixels which isn't exactly a fair trade; but if you think of it as a roulette table at a charity event it all makes sense.“Whatever.”
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DieAlteHexe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoDieAlteHexe wrote: »
It was, which is why it was one of the most financially successful mmos around. Crates are about pure greed, not about the bottom line. Its no coincidence that we got a new team, and then crates were released and quality dropped.DieAlteHexe wrote: »They are part of games income, that keeps the game going. They serve a purpose because players are too foolish not to play subscriber games anymore.
Though i understand, that people are jealous about flashy stuff in crates, im pretty sure that these things would never be here without the crates so i suggest you just stop being jealous and carry on.
I dont generally like these things at all, but this is the gaming you scrooges have created, live with it.
Funny, the game was doing just fine without crates.
I wonder if the beancounters and BoD share that opinion. I'd wager, not.
Bottom line, folks, bottom line.
Profit, yup. BoDs tend to really like seeing that, the more the merrier. Seems like the bandwagon is well and truly jumped on, pretty much across the genre.
I have to ask BoDs?
Sorry, not sure what you mean here so can't really respond to it.
Dirty, filthy casual aka Nancy, the Wallet Warrior Carebear Potato Whale Snowflake0 -
DieAlteHexe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoLadyAstrum wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »LadyAstrum wrote: »I'd rather expensive, limited-time direct purchases over the (tweekable) RNG drop rates of crown crates. At least you know what you're getting, but hat's off to ZoS, they manage to entice those with loose wallets (and loose minds) to part with their cash.
Y'know, there is no reason, other than pure cussedness, to call people who do enjoy a go with crates derisory names. Because you don't care for them, for whatever reason, does not make those who do buy them and enjoy them "loose minded" or "brain dead" or any of the other terms.
Really, it's fine to dislike/hate them, but it's not needed to be snarky at those who do.
Mom, is that you?
Thank you for giving me permission to dislike or hate something. That's very kind of you.
I'll be sure to make sure my posts receive your very own special golden seal of approval next time.
Ooooh, sarcasm.
Point remains, sarcasm or no. Hard to foster discussion/debate flinging (verbal) poo at one another.
Dirty, filthy casual aka Nancy, the Wallet Warrior Carebear Potato Whale Snowflake0 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭YesDieAlteHexe wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »
It was, which is why it was one of the most financially successful mmos around. Crates are about pure greed, not about the bottom line. Its no coincidence that we got a new team, and then crates were released and quality dropped.DieAlteHexe wrote: »They are part of games income, that keeps the game going. They serve a purpose because players are too foolish not to play subscriber games anymore.
Though i understand, that people are jealous about flashy stuff in crates, im pretty sure that these things would never be here without the crates so i suggest you just stop being jealous and carry on.
I dont generally like these things at all, but this is the gaming you scrooges have created, live with it.
Funny, the game was doing just fine without crates.
I wonder if the beancounters and BoD share that opinion. I'd wager, not.
Bottom line, folks, bottom line.
Profit, yup. BoDs tend to really like seeing that, the more the merrier. Seems like the bandwagon is well and truly jumped on, pretty much across the genre.
I have to ask BoDs?
Sorry, not sure what you mean here so can't really respond to it.
What's a "BoD"?0 -
DieAlteHexe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoDieAlteHexe wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »
It was, which is why it was one of the most financially successful mmos around. Crates are about pure greed, not about the bottom line. Its no coincidence that we got a new team, and then crates were released and quality dropped.DieAlteHexe wrote: »They are part of games income, that keeps the game going. They serve a purpose because players are too foolish not to play subscriber games anymore.
Though i understand, that people are jealous about flashy stuff in crates, im pretty sure that these things would never be here without the crates so i suggest you just stop being jealous and carry on.
I dont generally like these things at all, but this is the gaming you scrooges have created, live with it.
Funny, the game was doing just fine without crates.
I wonder if the beancounters and BoD share that opinion. I'd wager, not.
Bottom line, folks, bottom line.
Profit, yup. BoDs tend to really like seeing that, the more the merrier. Seems like the bandwagon is well and truly jumped on, pretty much across the genre.
I have to ask BoDs?
Sorry, not sure what you mean here so can't really respond to it.
What's a "BoD"?
Doh! Sorry. Board of Directors.
Dirty, filthy casual aka Nancy, the Wallet Warrior Carebear Potato Whale Snowflake0 -
fojo82✭✭✭NoNo, because if you don't like them....don't buy them. They don't affect gameplay in any way. Let ZOS make their money so they can keep delivering great content0
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Prof_Bawbag✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭YesI don't care for rare crate drops and if ZOS can make money this way, it affects me only in a good way like they can afford to put discounts on stuff I care about.
Yeah, that's naivety right there. The only thing that actually probably goes to financing the game are subs and dlc sales.
If you can point me to the improvements made within the game since the implementation of CC's, that weren't already being added prior to the CC's, then I'll happily be called out for being wrong. CC's wouldn't actually be a bad thing if we were getting better servers, more bug fixes and so on. The reality is, we're seeing neither. Not that profit is a bad thing, but all that CC cash is probably included in those massive profits Zenimax Media post.Edited by Prof_Bawbag on March 18, 2018 2:49PM1 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭YesNo, because if you don't like them....don't buy them. They don't affect gameplay in any way. Let ZOS make their money so they can keep delivering great content
Actually they do since most every other MMO have mounts / pets / cosmetics tied in with achievements / actual gameplay rather than pure $$$3 -
Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭YesDieAlteHexe wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »
It was, which is why it was one of the most financially successful mmos around. Crates are about pure greed, not about the bottom line. Its no coincidence that we got a new team, and then crates were released and quality dropped.DieAlteHexe wrote: »They are part of games income, that keeps the game going. They serve a purpose because players are too foolish not to play subscriber games anymore.
Though i understand, that people are jealous about flashy stuff in crates, im pretty sure that these things would never be here without the crates so i suggest you just stop being jealous and carry on.
I dont generally like these things at all, but this is the gaming you scrooges have created, live with it.
Funny, the game was doing just fine without crates.
I wonder if the beancounters and BoD share that opinion. I'd wager, not.
Bottom line, folks, bottom line.
Profit, yup. BoDs tend to really like seeing that, the more the merrier. Seems like the bandwagon is well and truly jumped on, pretty much across the genre.
I have to ask BoDs?
Sorry, not sure what you mean here so can't really respond to it.
What does " BoDs" mean, you said that a few times =P0 -
Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭YesDieAlteHexe wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »
It was, which is why it was one of the most financially successful mmos around. Crates are about pure greed, not about the bottom line. Its no coincidence that we got a new team, and then crates were released and quality dropped.DieAlteHexe wrote: »They are part of games income, that keeps the game going. They serve a purpose because players are too foolish not to play subscriber games anymore.
Though i understand, that people are jealous about flashy stuff in crates, im pretty sure that these things would never be here without the crates so i suggest you just stop being jealous and carry on.
I dont generally like these things at all, but this is the gaming you scrooges have created, live with it.
Funny, the game was doing just fine without crates.
I wonder if the beancounters and BoD share that opinion. I'd wager, not.
Bottom line, folks, bottom line.
Profit, yup. BoDs tend to really like seeing that, the more the merrier. Seems like the bandwagon is well and truly jumped on, pretty much across the genre.
I have to ask BoDs?
Sorry, not sure what you mean here so can't really respond to it.
What's a "BoD"?
Doh! Sorry. Board of Directors.
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DieAlteHexe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoDieAlteHexe wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »
It was, which is why it was one of the most financially successful mmos around. Crates are about pure greed, not about the bottom line. Its no coincidence that we got a new team, and then crates were released and quality dropped.DieAlteHexe wrote: »They are part of games income, that keeps the game going. They serve a purpose because players are too foolish not to play subscriber games anymore.
Though i understand, that people are jealous about flashy stuff in crates, im pretty sure that these things would never be here without the crates so i suggest you just stop being jealous and carry on.
I dont generally like these things at all, but this is the gaming you scrooges have created, live with it.
Funny, the game was doing just fine without crates.
I wonder if the beancounters and BoD share that opinion. I'd wager, not.
Bottom line, folks, bottom line.
Profit, yup. BoDs tend to really like seeing that, the more the merrier. Seems like the bandwagon is well and truly jumped on, pretty much across the genre.
I have to ask BoDs?
Sorry, not sure what you mean here so can't really respond to it.
What's a "BoD"?
Doh! Sorry. Board of Directors.
lol ok
Just woke up, sorry for being so thick.
Dirty, filthy casual aka Nancy, the Wallet Warrior Carebear Potato Whale Snowflake0 -
Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭YesDieAlteHexe wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »
It was, which is why it was one of the most financially successful mmos around. Crates are about pure greed, not about the bottom line. Its no coincidence that we got a new team, and then crates were released and quality dropped.DieAlteHexe wrote: »They are part of games income, that keeps the game going. They serve a purpose because players are too foolish not to play subscriber games anymore.
Though i understand, that people are jealous about flashy stuff in crates, im pretty sure that these things would never be here without the crates so i suggest you just stop being jealous and carry on.
I dont generally like these things at all, but this is the gaming you scrooges have created, live with it.
Funny, the game was doing just fine without crates.
I wonder if the beancounters and BoD share that opinion. I'd wager, not.
Bottom line, folks, bottom line.
Profit, yup. BoDs tend to really like seeing that, the more the merrier. Seems like the bandwagon is well and truly jumped on, pretty much across the genre.
I have to ask BoDs?
Sorry, not sure what you mean here so can't really respond to it.
What's a "BoD"?
Doh! Sorry. Board of Directors.
lol ok
Just woke up, sorry for being so thick.
Yeah, the BoDs is LITERALLY the problem with this game atm. Seriously, smurf them with a christmas tree.0 -
DieAlteHexe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoDieAlteHexe wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »
It was, which is why it was one of the most financially successful mmos around. Crates are about pure greed, not about the bottom line. Its no coincidence that we got a new team, and then crates were released and quality dropped.DieAlteHexe wrote: »They are part of games income, that keeps the game going. They serve a purpose because players are too foolish not to play subscriber games anymore.
Though i understand, that people are jealous about flashy stuff in crates, im pretty sure that these things would never be here without the crates so i suggest you just stop being jealous and carry on.
I dont generally like these things at all, but this is the gaming you scrooges have created, live with it.
Funny, the game was doing just fine without crates.
I wonder if the beancounters and BoD share that opinion. I'd wager, not.
Bottom line, folks, bottom line.
Profit, yup. BoDs tend to really like seeing that, the more the merrier. Seems like the bandwagon is well and truly jumped on, pretty much across the genre.
I have to ask BoDs?
Sorry, not sure what you mean here so can't really respond to it.
What's a "BoD"?
Doh! Sorry. Board of Directors.
lol ok
Just woke up, sorry for being so thick.
Yeah, the BoDs is LITERALLY the problem with this game atm. Seriously, smurf them with a christmas tree.
Must be frustrating at meetings. The staff having to do things they probably aren't really thrilled about because of the suits. I could be projecting here (been there, dealt with that) but I kind of doubt it.
Dirty, filthy casual aka Nancy, the Wallet Warrior Carebear Potato Whale Snowflake0 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesI feel bad for the mods having to read all this crap.
Unless someone complains, my guess is that no one from ZOS reads this stuff.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
PC NA/EU: @Elsonso
PSN NA/EU: @ElsonsoJannus
Total in-game hours: 11321
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klowdy1✭✭✭✭✭NoThese posts are the biggest entitlement threads I've seen after the "nerf stuff" posts. If you don't like them, move on. Having them in the game doesn't affect you like removing them would affect someone that enjoys them. If they stay, you can still ignore them, if they are removed, people that enjoy them lose out. If the devs wanted everyone riding on these mounts, they would sell them individually, as they do with other mounts. If you don't get the pretty pixels you want, stop trying, but don't take things away from others because YOU have a problem with it. It's my money, why should YOU have any bearing on how I spend it?0 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesThese posts are the biggest entitlement threads I've seen after the "nerf stuff" posts. If you don't like them, move on. Having them in the game doesn't affect you like removing them would affect someone that enjoys them. If they stay, you can still ignore them, if they are removed, people that enjoy them lose out. If the devs wanted everyone riding on these mounts, they would sell them individually, as they do with other mounts. If you don't get the pretty pixels you want, stop trying, but don't take things away from others because YOU have a problem with it. It's my money, why should YOU have any bearing on how I spend it?
Why do the people who want Crown Crates get a pass while the people who don't want them get called "entitled" and accused of "nerfing stuff"?
I believe that the monetization used for the game, particularly the loot boxes, is causing harm to the gaming experience. I think this game would be more fun, and more engaging, without a lot of the monetization that happens. The term "sucks the life out" applies to monetization in this game.
The loot boxes provide no incentive for the studio to make their game better. Revenue is coming from RNG boxes filled with recycled junk. In no manner does the Crown Crate season move the game forward. The game is not better this month, compared to last month, because Scale-whatever Crown Crates are out.
Nothing at all says that the studio has to spend any of the money spent by people buying Crown Crates on the game. Players just assume that the studio will spend that money on the game. At no time have they said that this was the case, and they never will. I am sure that it isn't the case. They spend their money on whatever they want, ESO or not.
So, I actively see a game that I love is being slowly destroyed by monetization. All the people who participate in that monetization, the ones who are enjoying it, are doing so, to a degree, at my expense. Eventually, I will leave the game just because the monetization has successfully sucked out of it everything that I find fun about playing it, and placed it behind a cash register.
I certainly don't feel "entitled".XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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✭✭Nolordrichter wrote: »These posts are the biggest entitlement threads I've seen after the "nerf stuff" posts. If you don't like them, move on. Having them in the game doesn't affect you like removing them would affect someone that enjoys them. If they stay, you can still ignore them, if they are removed, people that enjoy them lose out. If the devs wanted everyone riding on these mounts, they would sell them individually, as they do with other mounts. If you don't get the pretty pixels you want, stop trying, but don't take things away from others because YOU have a problem with it. It's my money, why should YOU have any bearing on how I spend it?
Why do the people who want Crown Crates get a pass while the people who don't want them get called "entitled" and accused of "nerfing stuff"?
I believe that the monetization used for the game, particularly the loot boxes, is causing harm to the gaming experience. I think this game would be more fun, and more engaging, without a lot of the monetization that happens. The term "sucks the life out" applies to monetization in this game.
The loot boxes provide no incentive for the studio to make their game better. Revenue is coming from RNG boxes filled with recycled junk. In no manner does the Crown Crate season move the game forward. The game is not better this month, compared to last month, because Scale-whatever Crown Crates are out.
Nothing at all says that the studio has to spend any of the money spent by people buying Crown Crates on the game. Players just assume that the studio will spend that money on the game. At no time have they said that this was the case, and they never will. I am sure that it isn't the case. They spend their money on whatever they want, ESO or not.
So, I actively see a game that I love is being slowly destroyed by monetization. All the people who participate in that monetization, the ones who are enjoying it, are doing so, to a degree, at my expense. Eventually, I will leave the game just because the monetization has successfully sucked out of it everything that I find fun about playing it, and placed it behind a cash register.
I certainly don't feel "entitled".
Get a pass? LOL Have you not seen some of the, errr...nicknames that are given around here to those who want/don't hate crates?
I'm up to Nancy Potato Whale Loose-minded Moron. And that's just this past week!
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✭✭✭NoWaffennacht wrote: »Couldn't afford the elk, in or out of the crates, so it's the same for me either way really - though I suppose free crown crates gives me a shot.
I didnt get the Elk the first time. I was away when it was available. I paid for 2 4packs of crates and I got enough gems to buy it. Luckily I ended up paying less for it than if I had bought it the first time. Its too bad you couldn't get it this time. Im sure it will hit the cycle again.
Im not a fan of gamble crates but I dont understand all the complaining. The best rewards are supposed to be rare. Spending more doesn't mean you will get anything other than an empty bank account or hurt feelings.
In today's society where every special snowflake gets a participant prize and entitlement is at scary proportions Im honestly not surprised at all the complaint posts.
Maybe Im just a Salty Old bugger but the problem isnt that there are Crown crates, the problem is people purchase them with unrealistic expectations.
The house always wins.
I agree. I have never seen in 2 decades of playing MMOs seen so much whining about something that isnt even important to play the game. Its bloody pixels, get over it already. I thought WoW players were bad, but this is a whole new level of special snowflakeness.
If you dont like the odds, dont play. If you want the radiant mounts, spend the cash. If you cant afford it, well to bad, get over it. I want my real own tropical island, but you dont see me throwing a fit about it do you? And a real tropical island is actually useful.0 -
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✭✭✭NoI feel bad for the mods having to read all this crap.
I agree. The mods have nothing to do with bugs( or fixes), management decisions, or direction of the game. But they have to listen to us day in and day out complain and ask for stuff while fighting constantly about viewpoints. I imagine this is what daycare would be like, if you had to take care of all of the worlds children at the same time.
I couldnt do their job.1 -
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✭✭NoAnotherone773 wrote: »I feel bad for the mods having to read all this crap.
I agree. The mods have nothing to do with bugs( or fixes), management decisions, or direction of the game. But they have to listen to us day in and day out complain and ask for stuff while fighting constantly about viewpoints. I imagine this is what daycare would be like, if you had to take care of all of the worlds children at the same time.
I couldnt do their job.
Most of my career was doing just this. You have to have a very thick skin and a strong sense of humour. A lot of what I did was go through all the traffic and cull stuff to pass along. Sometimes this was easy but more often a nugget of info or an idea was buried in the noise.
I'll say this; folks who work CS/TS are never paid enough, ever.
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✭YesDieAlteHexe wrote: »LadyAstrum wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »LadyAstrum wrote: »I'd rather expensive, limited-time direct purchases over the (tweekable) RNG drop rates of crown crates. At least you know what you're getting, but hat's off to ZoS, they manage to entice those with loose wallets (and loose minds) to part with their cash.
Y'know, there is no reason, other than pure cussedness, to call people who do enjoy a go with crates derisory names. Because you don't care for them, for whatever reason, does not make those who do buy them and enjoy them "loose minded" or "brain dead" or any of the other terms.
Really, it's fine to dislike/hate them, but it's not needed to be snarky at those who do.
Mom, is that you?
Thank you for giving me permission to dislike or hate something. That's very kind of you.
I'll be sure to make sure my posts receive your very own special golden seal of approval next time.
Ooooh, sarcasm.
Point remains, sarcasm or no. Hard to foster discussion/debate flinging (verbal) poo at one another.
It's not up to you to police my posts. Well intentioned though I'm sure it is.
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