Seriously ZOS?

pattyLtd

I agree with you and i dont get it at all.
I can undrrstand not having them all available bc no one would probably buy it for such high prices at least.

I to bought the crown packs on sale to get ready for the big red guard house thats coming but I wont buy it anymore.
Maybe i am weird but these kind very limited time things put me off even more then the insane price tags of it.

LadyAstrum

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

TheCyberDruid wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Are you saying then that folks who buy "cosmetic things" aren't playing ESO? Because that's a somewhat peculiar assertion. What matters to you whether I play the game in a costume, store my stuff in a house or ride a fancy critter?

No, I'm not saying that you aren't playing the game, but rather that you happily spend as much (or more) as the game costs on things that are purely optional and don't think that's a bit odd. I get that MMO games work that way now (look at CS:GO skins), but it's just weird to see how much money people are happily willing to spend on those things.

Ah, thank you for clarifying.

Well, I think it's odd that people will spend 200 bucks on a pair of shoes or buy a car for 100k or, my favourite, sports season tickets (holy moly!). So there you have it. But, as I said before, I don't judge. So long as someone is paying their bills, meeting their responsibilities, it's all good.

At least you can wear the shoes and drive the car. They'll be around for as long as you need them. And if they're vintage you can pass them down. Once ESO goes poof, there'll be nothing.

I really think people are kidding themselves that these houses are truly value for money, and the excusing of these inflated prices is further perpetuating an ugly trend where only those with deep pockets can even hope to access some of this stuff.

Nothing? How about all the fun had? It's rather like books or a movie or booze. Once any of those are "consumed", all gone with nothing left to show for them aside from memories and, maybe ( ) a hangover.

The value gained is in the enjoyment gained. I don't understand why this is such a hard concept for people to get. I don't enjoy getting drunk but I know a lot of people do. More power to 'em. Same diff.

Nothing as in "no longer there". Memories are awesome, but that still doesn't justify these prices. If more people expressed concern then more people could create some happy memories too.

I think the reason why some people actually like these high prices is because it gives them a feeling of being special and apart from the "riff raff" that can't or won't pay these prices. But we're talking about Homestead, a housing system within an mmo. Fairly certain most people play games for escapism and fun, not be slapped in the face with similar wealth inequality that they see in the real world.

If these houses were all permanent with gold alternatives, then at least every player would have a chance to get one of these. People could save up over time, work in-game to get gold to buy them, or buy with crowns.

Housing is a deep system. It allows for creativity, expression and hours of entertainment and immersion, but what is happening with this crown-only, limited-time system, is that swathes of the community are being excluded from this simply because of accessibility and affordability. It seems like a cruel system.

DieAlteHexe

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

TheCyberDruid wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Are you saying then that folks who buy "cosmetic things" aren't playing ESO? Because that's a somewhat peculiar assertion. What matters to you whether I play the game in a costume, store my stuff in a house or ride a fancy critter?

No, I'm not saying that you aren't playing the game, but rather that you happily spend as much (or more) as the game costs on things that are purely optional and don't think that's a bit odd. I get that MMO games work that way now (look at CS:GO skins), but it's just weird to see how much money people are happily willing to spend on those things.

Ah, thank you for clarifying.

Well, I think it's odd that people will spend 200 bucks on a pair of shoes or buy a car for 100k or, my favourite, sports season tickets (holy moly!). So there you have it. But, as I said before, I don't judge. So long as someone is paying their bills, meeting their responsibilities, it's all good.

At least you can wear the shoes and drive the car. They'll be around for as long as you need them. And if they're vintage you can pass them down. Once ESO goes poof, there'll be nothing.

I really think people are kidding themselves that these houses are truly value for money, and the excusing of these inflated prices is further perpetuating an ugly trend where only those with deep pockets can even hope to access some of this stuff.

Nothing? How about all the fun had? It's rather like books or a movie or booze. Once any of those are "consumed", all gone with nothing left to show for them aside from memories and, maybe ( ) a hangover.

The value gained is in the enjoyment gained. I don't understand why this is such a hard concept for people to get. I don't enjoy getting drunk but I know a lot of people do. More power to 'em. Same diff.

Nothing as in "no longer there". Memories are awesome, but that still doesn't justify these prices. If more people expressed concern then more people could create some happy memories too.

I think the reason why some people actually like these high prices is because it gives them a feeling of being special and apart from the "riff raff" that can't or won't pay these prices. But we're talking about Homestead, a housing system within an mmo. Fairly certain most people play games for escapism and fun, not be slapped in the face with similar wealth inequality that they see in the real world.

If these houses were all permanent with gold alternatives, then at least every player would have a chance to get one of these. People could save up over time, work in-game to get gold to buy them, or buy with crowns.

Housing is a deep system. It allows for creativity, expression and hours of entertainment and immersion, but what is happening with this crown-only, limited-time system, is that swathes of the community are being excluded from this simply because of accessibility and affordability. It seems like a cruel system.

Oh, I don't disagree that the prices could (and should) come down a bit but after I've gone out for a nice (110€) dinner, what have I got left? I get way more enjoyment for that same sum in the game.

I also agree on the houses and am pretty much impervious to the "BUY NOW BUY NOW" limited offer stuff. I am in RL too. I forget whether it was this thread or another but I mentioned I am not influenced by the "x days left" stuff. If I want it, I buy it. If not...I don't.

I spend money (real or cyber) on what pleases me. Since I intend to be here for a looooong time, I see the cost of the so-called investment (mainly housing) as worth it.

The concept of being über doesn't apply to me. I couldn't care less about that. I'm here to enjoy myself, not impress anyone...which is a very good thing because I'm not terribly impressive.

LadyAstrum

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

TheCyberDruid wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Are you saying then that folks who buy "cosmetic things" aren't playing ESO? Because that's a somewhat peculiar assertion. What matters to you whether I play the game in a costume, store my stuff in a house or ride a fancy critter?

No, I'm not saying that you aren't playing the game, but rather that you happily spend as much (or more) as the game costs on things that are purely optional and don't think that's a bit odd. I get that MMO games work that way now (look at CS:GO skins), but it's just weird to see how much money people are happily willing to spend on those things.

Ah, thank you for clarifying.

Well, I think it's odd that people will spend 200 bucks on a pair of shoes or buy a car for 100k or, my favourite, sports season tickets (holy moly!). So there you have it. But, as I said before, I don't judge. So long as someone is paying their bills, meeting their responsibilities, it's all good.

At least you can wear the shoes and drive the car. They'll be around for as long as you need them. And if they're vintage you can pass them down. Once ESO goes poof, there'll be nothing.

I really think people are kidding themselves that these houses are truly value for money, and the excusing of these inflated prices is further perpetuating an ugly trend where only those with deep pockets can even hope to access some of this stuff.

Nothing? How about all the fun had? It's rather like books or a movie or booze. Once any of those are "consumed", all gone with nothing left to show for them aside from memories and, maybe ( ) a hangover.

The value gained is in the enjoyment gained. I don't understand why this is such a hard concept for people to get. I don't enjoy getting drunk but I know a lot of people do. More power to 'em. Same diff.

Nothing as in "no longer there". Memories are awesome, but that still doesn't justify these prices. If more people expressed concern then more people could create some happy memories too.

I think the reason why some people actually like these high prices is because it gives them a feeling of being special and apart from the "riff raff" that can't or won't pay these prices. But we're talking about Homestead, a housing system within an mmo. Fairly certain most people play games for escapism and fun, not be slapped in the face with similar wealth inequality that they see in the real world.

If these houses were all permanent with gold alternatives, then at least every player would have a chance to get one of these. People could save up over time, work in-game to get gold to buy them, or buy with crowns.

Housing is a deep system. It allows for creativity, expression and hours of entertainment and immersion, but what is happening with this crown-only, limited-time system, is that swathes of the community are being excluded from this simply because of accessibility and affordability. It seems like a cruel system.

Oh, I don't disagree that the prices could (and should) come down a bit but after I've gone out for a nice (110€) dinner, what have I got left? I get way more enjoyment for that same sum in the game.

I also agree on the houses and am pretty much impervious to the "BUY NOW BUY NOW" limited offer stuff. I am in RL too. I forget whether it was this thread or another but I mentioned I am not influenced by the "x days left" stuff. If I want it, I buy it. If not...I don't.

I spend money (real or cyber) on what pleases me. Since I intend to be here for a looooong time, I see the cost of the so-called investment (mainly housing) as worth it.

The concept of being über doesn't apply to me. I couldn't care less about that. I'm here to enjoy myself, not impress anyone...which is a very good thing because I'm not terribly impressive.

My concern is really more about Homestead and all its joys being accessible for the majority, rather than the minority. That 110€ dinner will be out of someone else's reach, and that is a part of real life, but I don't see why a similar gap in accessibility should exist for Homestead. Someone could be living in a terrible neighbourhood surrounded by poverty, and their only escape to a "different world" could be a dream palace, or cool cave. I just find it sad that ZoS continues along this vein of exclusionary sales tactics.

This question is aimed at ZoS, why can these houses not be available for gold as well as crowns on a permanent basis? No one knows who owns what unless it is a friend or guildie. A house can be a private affair, so the limited-time, exclusivity thing only hurts those who cannot fully participate, and means less people can enjoy the artistic aspect.

If they were permanent and available for gold, people would still choose to buy them for crowns, but at least more people could be apart of the creative breadth and width of Homestead.

Chaos2088

The timing and mainly the cost is just ridiculous.

WakeYourGhost

When you have the crowns, file a support ticket asking for the item.
Sometimes that works.

..Either way, I got the Statue and house - the pack for 5000 crowns is.. Well, it's really 5000 crowns for a neat slash-test-dummy and a mess of trash items.

Jamdarius

I have no idea what is ZOS thinking if they would make the price 1/4 or 1/3 I bet they would earn much more than they would now but I guess greed makes people blind....

Raideen

LadyAstrum wrote: »

I'm noticing both here, on reddit and social media people questioning these prices and in some cases folk commenting that such pricing is putting them off the game. This is not a feeling ZoS want to create within their playerbase. The limited-time, crown-exclusive housing either needs to happen less frequently, or make them permanently available (pref with gold alternative). Yes, those who thrive off having bragging rights to rare houses won't feel quite so special anymore, but it would at least make these houses more accessible to a bigger segment of the community.

These are houses, it's not going to hurt if more people can experience them.
For me, it is the case that I find the prices unpalatable in comparison to the actual cost of the game and DLC's, and it feels like a two-tier system. One experience for those who can, and exclusion for those who can't. Permanent availability with gold alternative would help. ZoS would still make money.

I've decided, going forwards, I'll be buying less crowns overall, and at the advice of some, I'll save my sub crowns and use only those on a future big house. My long-term commitment to this game wanes due to an anxious and uneasy feeling I get from the above points.

^x 100

My first posts when I started ESO was about the crown store/loot crates and the blatant greed associated with those and the bad value they offer to the game. Of course I was ridiculed, anytime you question a companies practice in come the shills, paid shills and fanboys/girls (pro-tip, most of them are paid shills...there are businesses who's sole purpose is to persuade the popular opinion by posing as "every day people" with opinions that always seem to align with greedy corporate tactics).

My position then, and my position now is that the greed tactics implemented by ZoS is not sustainable. People catch on to those tactics and leave the game either due to principal or the inability to pay such a huge price to play. This is why ESO has has had 10 million accounts since 2014 and I would guess less than 500k people playing consistently across all three platforms.

My long term commitment to the game wanes as well due to the practices I saw when I started the game not long ago, and sadly those shady practices have only gotten worse while prices get higher. This game is not beautiful or fun enough for the prices they charge imo. ESO will not stand the test of time as long as the current pricing strategy is maintained.

DieAlteHexe

Well gosh darn it, where's my paycheck? I mean if I'm a "paid shill" back pay is definitely owed.

On a more serious note; just because someone disagrees with you or holds a different opinion doesn't mean they are "paid shills" nor "fanbois" etc. To try and rationalise them that way only reflects on you, not them.

Skander

I woudn't spend a penny till the bugs there are now are fixed. I know, you need money to fix bugs. But with everyupdate we can't pay for the bugs that come up.

Raideen

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

TheCyberDruid wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Are you saying then that folks who buy "cosmetic things" aren't playing ESO? Because that's a somewhat peculiar assertion. What matters to you whether I play the game in a costume, store my stuff in a house or ride a fancy critter?

No, I'm not saying that you aren't playing the game, but rather that you happily spend as much (or more) as the game costs on things that are purely optional and don't think that's a bit odd. I get that MMO games work that way now (look at CS:GO skins), but it's just weird to see how much money people are happily willing to spend on those things.

Ah, thank you for clarifying.

Well, I think it's odd that people will spend 200 bucks on a pair of shoes or buy a car for 100k or, my favourite, sports season tickets (holy moly!). So there you have it. But, as I said before, I don't judge. So long as someone is paying their bills, meeting their responsibilities, it's all good.

At least you can wear the shoes and drive the car. They'll be around for as long as you need them. And if they're vintage you can pass them down. Once ESO goes poof, there'll be nothing.

I really think people are kidding themselves that these houses are truly value for money, and the excusing of these inflated prices is further perpetuating an ugly trend where only those with deep pockets can even hope to access some of this stuff.

Nothing? How about all the fun had? It's rather like books or a movie or booze. Once any of those are "consumed", all gone with nothing left to show for them aside from memories and, maybe ( ) a hangover.

The value gained is in the enjoyment gained. I don't understand why this is such a hard concept for people to get. I don't enjoy getting drunk but I know a lot of people do. More power to 'em. Same diff.

First of all you are not comparing apples to apples, you are comparing apples to Styrofoam.

We understand your point just fine, its just an ignorant short signed point that only focuses on the now and the associated greed.

Spending money on alcohol, food, movies etc sustains the economy. Spending money on digital goods at the price that ZoS sets does not sustain the game, not in the long run.

The issue is not what people do with their money, the issue is that the pricing strategy ZoS implements will cause the game to have a short life span, for all intents and purposes ZoS is using shady, predatory tactics to make a cash grab. It is of my opinion their goal is that this game will not have a long shelf life. Everything they do points to that direction.

Raideen

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Well gosh darn it, where's my paycheck? I mean if I'm a "paid shill" back pay is definitely owed.

On a more serious note; just because someone disagrees with you or holds a different opinion doesn't mean they are "paid shills" nor "fanbois" etc. To try and rationalise them that way only reflects on you, not them.

I did not call you a shill, I simply stated that they do exist, and that is a 100% pure unadulterated fact.

The fact that you twist words, reflects very poorly on you.

Jade1986

MacCait wrote: »

I'm actually speechless... that's £107.5

I'd like to buy these but also have real life. I can't justify laying out £107 sterling all at once for some digital home and furniture. I'm finding it hard to understand the logic here.

ZOS, who are you aiming this at? Do you need to be a real life millionaire to enjoy this game now?

There is a business model that if you sell things for reasonable prices, you will sell many products rather than just a few at a steap price. I'm surprised ZOS can't see that.

Even the cost of housing furniture is getting crazy. 4000 crowns (£20+) for 1 mundus stone... the same if you want a transmute station... the greed is insane

When you have people that defend these kinds of tactics who HAVE a ton of money, its pretty clear who ZoS is catering the crown store now adays, and its not the middle or lower tier of the population, its indeed the well off people. Things are progressively getting more expensive because dolts still pay out for them.

Jade1986

TheCyberDruid wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

See here's the thing; I don't spend any money on going out or partying or clothes or fancy vehicles etc. I like to spend my discretionary on gaming (hardware and software), books and knitting stuff (charity work). So, the usual way to approach a purchase is factoring in enjoyment and cost. If I think I'll get enough enjoyment out of something for what it costs, I'll buy it.

I just spend over 40 € on games. You know, those things you actually play? I'm amazed how people justify spending way more money than the base game costs on 'cosmetic' things. Of course it's up to you how you spend your money, so all the best to you

Cosmetic things should be cheap as dirt, its absolutely absurd that something could cost this much in a damned game store. You could buy nearly 3 games for that price.

Raideen

Jade1986 wrote: »

MacCait wrote: »

I'm actually speechless... that's £107.5

I'd like to buy these but also have real life. I can't justify laying out £107 sterling all at once for some digital home and furniture. I'm finding it hard to understand the logic here.

ZOS, who are you aiming this at? Do you need to be a real life millionaire to enjoy this game now?

There is a business model that if you sell things for reasonable prices, you will sell many products rather than just a few at a steap price. I'm surprised ZOS can't see that.

Even the cost of housing furniture is getting crazy. 4000 crowns (£20+) for 1 mundus stone... the same if you want a transmute station... the greed is insane

When you have people that defend these kinds of tactics who HAVE a ton of money, its pretty clear who ZoS is catering the crown store now adays, and its not the middle or lower tier of the population, its indeed the well off people. Things are progressively getting more expensive because dolts still pay out for them.

ITs clear to me ZoS is in straight up cash grab ATM. This feels very very similar to what was happening to SWTOR about a year ago this time. Then when I found out the same person calling the pricing shots for SWTOR is now working for ZoS on Eso, it all made sense. What people do not realize is that this pricing strategy has SWTOR now teetering that line of being shut down.

Jade1986

MacCait wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

MacCait wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

MacCait wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

@MacCait
Don't forget that 1500 crowns cost the same as one month of ESO+ (at least in €). That is funny, because one month ESO+ also gives you 1500 crowns and also more.

Yh I actually think ESO+ is a great deal. It does give you a reasonable amount for what you pay monthly. I'd like to see more of this kind of reasonable pricing when it comes to crown store and housing editor products... right now its absolutely NUTS

@MacCait So then the trick is to be wise with your spending. Strictly buy crowns when they are on sale, and in the mean time allow your monthly given crowns from your ESO+ subscription to accumulate. That way when expensive things come along that you want, you can go ahead and make said investments at ease.

You have to play smart, in order to play hard. And always stick to your budget. No matter what. Set hard rules, and adhere to them with a Pitbull grip.

I'm someone that actually does this to a certain extent, however...

Even if you are the type of player that buys multiple crown packs on sale, how many crown packs can the average person who has a real life mortgage, and a family, buy all at one? Most people with real life houses and a family cannot warrant spending a few hundred pounds all at the same time. ...but even if you did...

...given how frequent these things are, and how much they are going for CROWNS ONLY, plus the limited time frame... its still crazy! Even at sale price of crowns, where 1000 = about £3.50, these houses alone will cost £45.5. (US$63+) That's not including furniture!

So once you factor in furniture that can only be purchased via housing editor, the price hikes up. THEN you find yourself with just a few crowns left and just at a time when another limited 13000 thingy comes along.

On top of this, there is absolutely NO gaurantee that you're newly purchased (extremely expensive) digital home may not develop a digital leak in the roof, or mysteriously have invisible walls in odd places, or randomly come home to find areas of the home missing altogether. These are ongoing problems with most of the original homes on console, where it has been raining inside since June 2017, with no comment or aknowledgement from ZOS no matter how many bug reports or posts on the forums one makes.

(throws hands up in the air and walks away with head down)

You make very valid points. My first ever home I purchased here on ESO (Mathiisen Manor) had a lot of “clipping” and other issues that annoyed me, which ended-up in me trading the property back in. And from a few threads in the past I saw, the place has been riddled with numerous other problems since (even extremes as windows supposedly get covered-up as well).

My second home was the Forsaken Stronghold, and I was extremely pleased with this purchase. I still am in fact. But, it wasn’t... Big enough. I wanted something more spacious, and more luxurious. And while it was nice for something that is basically a fort/mini-castle, I felt it was a tad bit too “tame” for my taste. It didn’t pop enough for me.

Which lead to my third home. The Grand Topal Hideaway. Worth every crown. It just screams lavish and luxury. It’s a damn island resort. Lol. And with all that is included with it (even unfurnished), I just had to scoop it up. So I bagged that, and am still in process of decorating it to my taste. Lol. But definitely the most spacious property to date.

And lastly my last and most recent purchase. The Linchal Grand Manor. The big-ass mansion on the hill in the Gold Coast. And that just fits my taste flawlessly. So I had to go cop that ASAP. I mean, the architecture and just overall atmosphere is just so damn incredible. And besides, I needed a mansion to go with my island resort. You know? You can’t stay year round at a resort. You need a home to head back to, and be your primary address. And the Linchal Grand Manor is just that for me. A colossal mansion surrounded by giant stone walls, with little things such as a pool and garden included. Plus a barn that can be converted to anything you can dream of.

So you see, it’s just a matter of shopping around until you find what sticks. And then making the investment. It’s the same way with cars. You may find a Gumpert or Ferrari that is nice for Spring and Summer, but what are you supposed to drive in the Autumn and Winter? That low to the ground spyder isn’t going to hold-up to the frigid cold and snow. That’s when you go back to your Porsche and or Aston. You know? That’s when you go back to your basics.

So... what I got from this was... you're a millionaire in real life.

I rest my case

Pretty much. This is clearly the audience ZoS is aiming for. But when Drumpfs cousin is on the board, what do you really expect?

Raideen

Jade1986 wrote: »

MacCait wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

MacCait wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

MacCait wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

@MacCait
Don't forget that 1500 crowns cost the same as one month of ESO+ (at least in €). That is funny, because one month ESO+ also gives you 1500 crowns and also more.

Yh I actually think ESO+ is a great deal. It does give you a reasonable amount for what you pay monthly. I'd like to see more of this kind of reasonable pricing when it comes to crown store and housing editor products... right now its absolutely NUTS

@MacCait So then the trick is to be wise with your spending. Strictly buy crowns when they are on sale, and in the mean time allow your monthly given crowns from your ESO+ subscription to accumulate. That way when expensive things come along that you want, you can go ahead and make said investments at ease.

You have to play smart, in order to play hard. And always stick to your budget. No matter what. Set hard rules, and adhere to them with a Pitbull grip.

I'm someone that actually does this to a certain extent, however...

Even if you are the type of player that buys multiple crown packs on sale, how many crown packs can the average person who has a real life mortgage, and a family, buy all at one? Most people with real life houses and a family cannot warrant spending a few hundred pounds all at the same time. ...but even if you did...

...given how frequent these things are, and how much they are going for CROWNS ONLY, plus the limited time frame... its still crazy! Even at sale price of crowns, where 1000 = about £3.50, these houses alone will cost £45.5. (US$63+) That's not including furniture!

So once you factor in furniture that can only be purchased via housing editor, the price hikes up. THEN you find yourself with just a few crowns left and just at a time when another limited 13000 thingy comes along.

On top of this, there is absolutely NO gaurantee that you're newly purchased (extremely expensive) digital home may not develop a digital leak in the roof, or mysteriously have invisible walls in odd places, or randomly come home to find areas of the home missing altogether. These are ongoing problems with most of the original homes on console, where it has been raining inside since June 2017, with no comment or aknowledgement from ZOS no matter how many bug reports or posts on the forums one makes.

(throws hands up in the air and walks away with head down)

You make very valid points. My first ever home I purchased here on ESO (Mathiisen Manor) had a lot of “clipping” and other issues that annoyed me, which ended-up in me trading the property back in. And from a few threads in the past I saw, the place has been riddled with numerous other problems since (even extremes as windows supposedly get covered-up as well).

My second home was the Forsaken Stronghold, and I was extremely pleased with this purchase. I still am in fact. But, it wasn’t... Big enough. I wanted something more spacious, and more luxurious. And while it was nice for something that is basically a fort/mini-castle, I felt it was a tad bit too “tame” for my taste. It didn’t pop enough for me.

Which lead to my third home. The Grand Topal Hideaway. Worth every crown. It just screams lavish and luxury. It’s a damn island resort. Lol. And with all that is included with it (even unfurnished), I just had to scoop it up. So I bagged that, and am still in process of decorating it to my taste. Lol. But definitely the most spacious property to date.

And lastly my last and most recent purchase. The Linchal Grand Manor. The big-ass mansion on the hill in the Gold Coast. And that just fits my taste flawlessly. So I had to go cop that ASAP. I mean, the architecture and just overall atmosphere is just so damn incredible. And besides, I needed a mansion to go with my island resort. You know? You can’t stay year round at a resort. You need a home to head back to, and be your primary address. And the Linchal Grand Manor is just that for me. A colossal mansion surrounded by giant stone walls, with little things such as a pool and garden included. Plus a barn that can be converted to anything you can dream of.

So you see, it’s just a matter of shopping around until you find what sticks. And then making the investment. It’s the same way with cars. You may find a Gumpert or Ferrari that is nice for Spring and Summer, but what are you supposed to drive in the Autumn and Winter? That low to the ground spyder isn’t going to hold-up to the frigid cold and snow. That’s when you go back to your Porsche and or Aston. You know? That’s when you go back to your basics.

So... what I got from this was... you're a millionaire in real life.

I rest my case

Pretty much. This is clearly the audience ZoS is aiming for. But when Drumpfs cousin is on the board, what do you really expect?

Trumps cousin has nothing to do with what is going on. IT has everything to do with the woman who runs their pricing strategy.

Jade1986

NyassaV wrote: »

Likely loose more sales this way because instead of splurging people will be demoralized and just give up

This, pretty much. This has been proven in real life too over and over again. Things too expensive, sell less, things appropriately priced, more sales. I would -NEVER- spend 140 smurfing € on this kind of crap, I could buy 3 AAA games and an indie game for that price!!!!

Jade1986

Raideen wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

MacCait wrote: »

I'm actually speechless... that's £107.5

I'd like to buy these but also have real life. I can't justify laying out £107 sterling all at once for some digital home and furniture. I'm finding it hard to understand the logic here.

ZOS, who are you aiming this at? Do you need to be a real life millionaire to enjoy this game now?

There is a business model that if you sell things for reasonable prices, you will sell many products rather than just a few at a steap price. I'm surprised ZOS can't see that.

Even the cost of housing furniture is getting crazy. 4000 crowns (£20+) for 1 mundus stone... the same if you want a transmute station... the greed is insane

When you have people that defend these kinds of tactics who HAVE a ton of money, its pretty clear who ZoS is catering the crown store now adays, and its not the middle or lower tier of the population, its indeed the well off people. Things are progressively getting more expensive because dolts still pay out for them.

ITs clear to me ZoS is in straight up cash grab ATM. This feels very very similar to what was happening to SWTOR about a year ago this time. Then when I found out the same person calling the pricing shots for SWTOR is now working for ZoS on Eso, it all made sense. What people do not realize is that this pricing strategy has SWTOR now teetering that line of being shut down.

ExACTLY, I used to love swtor, but then they just went full cash cow, and it was like, uhhhh, how about not, that is when pretty much all the servers bombed out and they had to consolidate, now they are scrambling to keep subs / players, and im pretty sure itll shut down soon. I see the exact same thing happening here. Obviously it was not the only reason, but the paralells are frightening.

Jade1986

Raideen wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

MacCait wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

MacCait wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

MacCait wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

@MacCait
Don't forget that 1500 crowns cost the same as one month of ESO+ (at least in €). That is funny, because one month ESO+ also gives you 1500 crowns and also more.

Yh I actually think ESO+ is a great deal. It does give you a reasonable amount for what you pay monthly. I'd like to see more of this kind of reasonable pricing when it comes to crown store and housing editor products... right now its absolutely NUTS

@MacCait So then the trick is to be wise with your spending. Strictly buy crowns when they are on sale, and in the mean time allow your monthly given crowns from your ESO+ subscription to accumulate. That way when expensive things come along that you want, you can go ahead and make said investments at ease.

You have to play smart, in order to play hard. And always stick to your budget. No matter what. Set hard rules, and adhere to them with a Pitbull grip.

I'm someone that actually does this to a certain extent, however...

Even if you are the type of player that buys multiple crown packs on sale, how many crown packs can the average person who has a real life mortgage, and a family, buy all at one? Most people with real life houses and a family cannot warrant spending a few hundred pounds all at the same time. ...but even if you did...

...given how frequent these things are, and how much they are going for CROWNS ONLY, plus the limited time frame... its still crazy! Even at sale price of crowns, where 1000 = about £3.50, these houses alone will cost £45.5. (US$63+) That's not including furniture!

So once you factor in furniture that can only be purchased via housing editor, the price hikes up. THEN you find yourself with just a few crowns left and just at a time when another limited 13000 thingy comes along.

On top of this, there is absolutely NO gaurantee that you're newly purchased (extremely expensive) digital home may not develop a digital leak in the roof, or mysteriously have invisible walls in odd places, or randomly come home to find areas of the home missing altogether. These are ongoing problems with most of the original homes on console, where it has been raining inside since June 2017, with no comment or aknowledgement from ZOS no matter how many bug reports or posts on the forums one makes.

(throws hands up in the air and walks away with head down)

You make very valid points. My first ever home I purchased here on ESO (Mathiisen Manor) had a lot of “clipping” and other issues that annoyed me, which ended-up in me trading the property back in. And from a few threads in the past I saw, the place has been riddled with numerous other problems since (even extremes as windows supposedly get covered-up as well).

My second home was the Forsaken Stronghold, and I was extremely pleased with this purchase. I still am in fact. But, it wasn’t... Big enough. I wanted something more spacious, and more luxurious. And while it was nice for something that is basically a fort/mini-castle, I felt it was a tad bit too “tame” for my taste. It didn’t pop enough for me.

Which lead to my third home. The Grand Topal Hideaway. Worth every crown. It just screams lavish and luxury. It’s a damn island resort. Lol. And with all that is included with it (even unfurnished), I just had to scoop it up. So I bagged that, and am still in process of decorating it to my taste. Lol. But definitely the most spacious property to date.

And lastly my last and most recent purchase. The Linchal Grand Manor. The big-ass mansion on the hill in the Gold Coast. And that just fits my taste flawlessly. So I had to go cop that ASAP. I mean, the architecture and just overall atmosphere is just so damn incredible. And besides, I needed a mansion to go with my island resort. You know? You can’t stay year round at a resort. You need a home to head back to, and be your primary address. And the Linchal Grand Manor is just that for me. A colossal mansion surrounded by giant stone walls, with little things such as a pool and garden included. Plus a barn that can be converted to anything you can dream of.

So you see, it’s just a matter of shopping around until you find what sticks. And then making the investment. It’s the same way with cars. You may find a Gumpert or Ferrari that is nice for Spring and Summer, but what are you supposed to drive in the Autumn and Winter? That low to the ground spyder isn’t going to hold-up to the frigid cold and snow. That’s when you go back to your Porsche and or Aston. You know? That’s when you go back to your basics.

So... what I got from this was... you're a millionaire in real life.

I rest my case

Pretty much. This is clearly the audience ZoS is aiming for. But when Drumpfs cousin is on the board, what do you really expect?

Trumps cousin has nothing to do with what is going on. IT has everything to do with the woman who runs their pricing strategy.

Both of them need to go tbh.

MacCait

Jade1986 wrote: »

MacCait wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

MacCait wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

MacCait wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

@MacCait
Don't forget that 1500 crowns cost the same as one month of ESO+ (at least in €). That is funny, because one month ESO+ also gives you 1500 crowns and also more.

Yh I actually think ESO+ is a great deal. It does give you a reasonable amount for what you pay monthly. I'd like to see more of this kind of reasonable pricing when it comes to crown store and housing editor products... right now its absolutely NUTS

@MacCait So then the trick is to be wise with your spending. Strictly buy crowns when they are on sale, and in the mean time allow your monthly given crowns from your ESO+ subscription to accumulate. That way when expensive things come along that you want, you can go ahead and make said investments at ease.

You have to play smart, in order to play hard. And always stick to your budget. No matter what. Set hard rules, and adhere to them with a Pitbull grip.

I'm someone that actually does this to a certain extent, however...

Even if you are the type of player that buys multiple crown packs on sale, how many crown packs can the average person who has a real life mortgage, and a family, buy all at one? Most people with real life houses and a family cannot warrant spending a few hundred pounds all at the same time. ...but even if you did...

...given how frequent these things are, and how much they are going for CROWNS ONLY, plus the limited time frame... its still crazy! Even at sale price of crowns, where 1000 = about £3.50, these houses alone will cost £45.5. (US$63+) That's not including furniture!

So once you factor in furniture that can only be purchased via housing editor, the price hikes up. THEN you find yourself with just a few crowns left and just at a time when another limited 13000 thingy comes along.

On top of this, there is absolutely NO gaurantee that you're newly purchased (extremely expensive) digital home may not develop a digital leak in the roof, or mysteriously have invisible walls in odd places, or randomly come home to find areas of the home missing altogether. These are ongoing problems with most of the original homes on console, where it has been raining inside since June 2017, with no comment or aknowledgement from ZOS no matter how many bug reports or posts on the forums one makes.

(throws hands up in the air and walks away with head down)

You make very valid points. My first ever home I purchased here on ESO (Mathiisen Manor) had a lot of “clipping” and other issues that annoyed me, which ended-up in me trading the property back in. And from a few threads in the past I saw, the place has been riddled with numerous other problems since (even extremes as windows supposedly get covered-up as well).

My second home was the Forsaken Stronghold, and I was extremely pleased with this purchase. I still am in fact. But, it wasn’t... Big enough. I wanted something more spacious, and more luxurious. And while it was nice for something that is basically a fort/mini-castle, I felt it was a tad bit too “tame” for my taste. It didn’t pop enough for me.

Which lead to my third home. The Grand Topal Hideaway. Worth every crown. It just screams lavish and luxury. It’s a damn island resort. Lol. And with all that is included with it (even unfurnished), I just had to scoop it up. So I bagged that, and am still in process of decorating it to my taste. Lol. But definitely the most spacious property to date.

And lastly my last and most recent purchase. The Linchal Grand Manor. The big-ass mansion on the hill in the Gold Coast. And that just fits my taste flawlessly. So I had to go cop that ASAP. I mean, the architecture and just overall atmosphere is just so damn incredible. And besides, I needed a mansion to go with my island resort. You know? You can’t stay year round at a resort. You need a home to head back to, and be your primary address. And the Linchal Grand Manor is just that for me. A colossal mansion surrounded by giant stone walls, with little things such as a pool and garden included. Plus a barn that can be converted to anything you can dream of.

So you see, it’s just a matter of shopping around until you find what sticks. And then making the investment. It’s the same way with cars. You may find a Gumpert or Ferrari that is nice for Spring and Summer, but what are you supposed to drive in the Autumn and Winter? That low to the ground spyder isn’t going to hold-up to the frigid cold and snow. That’s when you go back to your Porsche and or Aston. You know? That’s when you go back to your basics.

So... what I got from this was... you're a millionaire in real life.

I rest my case

Pretty much. This is clearly the audience ZoS is aiming for. But when Drumpfs cousin is on the board, what do you really expect?

Another player in this thread said it well... gaming is for everyone. It shouldn't matter if you are seriously wealthy with major exess cash to throw away, or whether you are unwealthy and struggling to get by in life... gaming offers players that entertainment and a world or hobby to escape to. It should continue to offer products that are feasible and reachable for its entire player base, not just the very wealthy.

ZOS has made a great game and we all love it, but the greed pricing is getting way out of hand now. As a result, only the more wealthy players will be able to keep up with the continual rise in cost for these digital items.

Overall, they would actually make more money by selling more items. It's not like there is much of an overhead... it's a digital product. However long it takes an artist a while to create something, they get a pay check, so its mega profit no matter even if they sold notable homes for 1000 crowns each. No one is expecting that, but just bring the prices down a bit, stop this limited 4 days only nonsense, give a gold alternative, and make lots of money while keeping the playerbase happy

heaven13

When I saw the sanctuary on the PTS and it was already made clear that it would be crown only, I pretty much knew that it was going to be a limited time only, hugely expensive thing. Same as the Princely Dawnlight Palace will be. I refused to get invested in them then because I refuse to accept the blatant cashgrab that ZOS has turned this game into.

It makes me tired.

Tired that if I want a costume I missed out on when it was direct purchase in store, I have to buy crates. Tired that I have to buy 2-3 ESO games worth of crowns to get a crown-exclusive house. Tired that certain motif drops are introduced super low because, oh look, they're available on the store for 5000 crowns.

I'm happy to spend money when it's reasonable. But I can't think when the last reasonably released item was, outside of DLC or some of the long standing offers, like the additional character slot.

Cosmetic purchases shouldn't cost more than the game itself. As has been mentioned previously in this thread, houses aren't even as 'cosmetic' as mounts because no one is going to see that you own them, unless you're friends/guildies/grouped up and specifically take someone there.

The game shouldn't suffer (which it is - gameplay decisions, like motif drop rates and the outfit system slot debacle, are directly influenced by how to sell in the store) because of the crown store. The store should be a nice supplement to the game, not a detriment to anyone that isn't or can't spend hundreds of dollars every few months on new crates, new limited houses, etc.

The more ZoS continues, the more I question what the point of logging in is. I don't fall for their limited time crap or their "try a sample of crown crates" in the hopes that I become hooked and buy more. They're driving me away because they certainly aren't interested in me as a customer.

MacCait

heaven13 wrote: »

When I saw the sanctuary on the PTS and it was already made clear that it would be crown only, I pretty much knew that it was going to be a limited time only, hugely expensive thing. Same as the Princely Dawnlight Palace will be. I refused to get invested in them then because I refuse to accept the blatant cashgrab that ZOS has turned this game into.

It makes me tired.

Tired that if I want a costume I missed out on when it was direct purchase in store, I have to buy crates. Tired that I have to buy 2-3 ESO games worth of crowns to get a crown-exclusive house. Tired that certain motif drops are introduced super low because, oh look, they're available on the store for 5000 crowns.

I'm happy to spend money when it's reasonable. But I can't think when the last reasonably released item was, outside of DLC or some of the long standing offers, like the additional character slot.

Cosmetic purchases shouldn't cost more than the game itself. As has been mentioned previously in this thread, houses aren't even as 'cosmetic' as mounts because no one is going to see that you own them, unless you're friends/guildies/grouped up and specifically take someone there.

The game shouldn't suffer (which it is - gameplay decisions, like motif drop rates and the outfit system slot debacle, are directly influenced by how to sell in the store) because of the crown store. The store should be a nice supplement to the game, not a detriment to anyone that isn't or can't spend hundreds of dollars every few months on new crates, new limited houses, etc.

The more ZoS continues, the more I question what the point of logging in is. I don't fall for their limited time crap or their "try a sample of crown crates" in the hopes that I become hooked and buy more. They're driving me away because they certainly aren't interested in me as a customer.

Well said

Raideen

heaven13 wrote: »

When I saw the sanctuary on the PTS and it was already made clear that it would be crown only, I pretty much knew that it was going to be a limited time only, hugely expensive thing. Same as the Princely Dawnlight Palace will be. I refused to get invested in them then because I refuse to accept the blatant cashgrab that ZOS has turned this game into.

It makes me tired.

Tired that if I want a costume I missed out on when it was direct purchase in store, I have to buy crates. Tired that I have to buy 2-3 ESO games worth of crowns to get a crown-exclusive house. Tired that certain motif drops are introduced super low because, oh look, they're available on the store for 5000 crowns.

I'm happy to spend money when it's reasonable. But I can't think when the last reasonably released item was, outside of DLC or some of the long standing offers, like the additional character slot.

Cosmetic purchases shouldn't cost more than the game itself. As has been mentioned previously in this thread, houses aren't even as 'cosmetic' as mounts because no one is going to see that you own them, unless you're friends/guildies/grouped up and specifically take someone there.

The game shouldn't suffer (which it is - gameplay decisions, like motif drop rates and the outfit system slot debacle, are directly influenced by how to sell in the store) because of the crown store. The store should be a nice supplement to the game, not a detriment to anyone that isn't or can't spend hundreds of dollars every few months on new crates, new limited houses, etc.

The more ZoS continues, the more I question what the point of logging in is. I don't fall for their limited time crap or their "try a sample of crown crates" in the hopes that I become hooked and buy more. They're driving me away because they certainly aren't interested in me as a customer.

Could not say it any better.

The thing is, the people running the game, calling the pricing decisions are not stupid. They know exactly what they are doing, they know their pricing strategy turns people off...and yet they continue. Why?

The only conclusion I can come to, based on witnessing the same events happening in other games is that they are in cash grab mode. I find this sad as a long time fan of Bethesda and their games because they are not just going for a cash grab, but they are alienating many of their customers. For me, simply. I do not have confidence any longer in Bethesda to invest my money and time into their products.

Wayshuba

Acrolas wrote: »

I can appreciate threads like this, because they make me happy that none of you are in charge of this game's monetization.

Do you want a hard pill to swallow? Consider this: if you're feeling left out of a crown store item, you're right. The strategy ZOS chose to meet its target did not include you. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Despite some superficial similarities, you do not have a discount retail relationship with ZOS.

I was going to leave this at first, but I had to respond since my background and experience has been almost 30 years in marketing and product pricing.

If the strategy is too make people feel left out, they succeeded. If the strategy is to make as much money as possible, they are failing miserably - and they in no way, shape, or form have a broad enough data method to determine they are making the right decision.

In my 15 months playing this game, I have not seen once something testing whether their strategy is the right one or not. Market testing, especially of pricing, is a pretty common tactic for all companies to find the sweet spot of maximizing revenue against investment (in this case the fixed cost of producing the asset).

While they may sell a few of these things at grossly inflated prices during this limited windows, how do they know they are making the most money they can on them? They already have a sunk cost when they produce them, why are they limiting themselves to four days of trying to capture the revenue on these items?

When have they tried having a sale on houses to see if maybe they are losing a lot of sales due to the very high prices on current houses?

When have they tried to run a limited sale on these things a bit longer to test if maybe four days is too short a window?

Considering the majority of their player base has played other MMOs, what testing have they done to verify that they can charge 400% more for something pretty staple in other MMOs (outfit slots)? When I saw this price, I actually laughed to myself because I KNOW this is going to cost them more than it makes them. No brand has a strong enough pull (even Apple), to charge 5 times market rate - NONE.

Again, as someone who has done this for a long time, I have to agree with many opinions that these "limited" sales are far too frequent and far too expensive. More importantly, while ZoS may be making some change with these tactics, they have done NOTHING to test whether this is the right one or not. What if they did and found out they were only making 20% of what they could with a different approach? Would you still consider their method to be the best one?

There was another rather large retailer that used to do this on Black Friday weekend. They used to get stock on items that they only carried the Friday through Sunday of that weekend. Then, they decided to test longer periods of carrying that stock - first a week, then two, until they got up to five weeks. What they discovered was 1.) that three weeks was the optimal period for carrying the stock and 2.) that they only made 30% of the total revenue on these items Black Friday weekend. In other words, they made 70% more by extending it to three weeks.

This is just one example of ZoS not knowing if they are doing the right thing or not. They have NEVER tested different approaches so there is NO data to know if it is the right approach.

peacenote

Raideen wrote: »

ITs clear to me ZoS is in straight up cash grab ATM. This feels very very similar to what was happening to SWTOR about a year ago this time. Then when I found out the same person calling the pricing shots for SWTOR is now working for ZoS on Eso, it all made sense. What people do not realize is that this pricing strategy has SWTOR now teetering that line of being shut down.

Oh, well, now this is interesting. It would explain why I so strongly feel a change in direction and lack of logic that I truly used to feel was present in this game for a long time. Any idea when this person moved to ZOS, out of curiosity?

Also worrisome, because I really do like this game and I don't want it to be ruined.

reiverx

Ragged_Claw wrote: »

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What upsets me most is that ESO is now becoming the thing it strove so hard not to be: Just another MMO designed to suck players in and then funnel them into the cash store.

This.

I feel like the game is being diluted for the sake of cosmetics. In fact, I feel like the Elder Scrolls have been dragged into the realm of Mattel.

I honestly wouldn't care so much if the game was stable, but it's obvious where resources are being allocated.

DieAlteHexe

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Raideen wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Well gosh darn it, where's my paycheck? I mean if I'm a "paid shill" back pay is definitely owed.

On a more serious note; just because someone disagrees with you or holds a different opinion doesn't mean they are "paid shills" nor "fanbois" etc. To try and rationalise them that way only reflects on you, not them.

I did not call you a shill, I simply stated that they do exist, and that is a 100% pure unadulterated fact.

The fact that you twist words, reflects very poorly on you.

Eh, sorry. I assumed you could take a little humour. My bad.

Well, the first part anyway, the second I stand by. Anyway, this is about as productive as running repeatedly into a brick wall. I think I'll go play the game, browse some traders, check out the Crown Store. Y'know, have fun!

KraziJoe

Don't blame ZOS because you are a completest. Gotta pad those stats for the end of the quarter.

Dragath

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

TheCyberDruid wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Are you saying then that folks who buy "cosmetic things" aren't playing ESO? Because that's a somewhat peculiar assertion. What matters to you whether I play the game in a costume, store my stuff in a house or ride a fancy critter?

No, I'm not saying that you aren't playing the game, but rather that you happily spend as much (or more) as the game costs on things that are purely optional and don't think that's a bit odd. I get that MMO games work that way now (look at CS:GO skins), but it's just weird to see how much money people are happily willing to spend on those things.

Ah, thank you for clarifying.

Well, I think it's odd that people will spend 200 bucks on a pair of shoes or buy a car for 100k or, my favourite, sports season tickets (holy moly!). So there you have it. But, as I said before, I don't judge. So long as someone is paying their bills, meeting their responsibilities, it's all good.

@DieAlteHexe Ehhh, it’s different with things like cars and shoes. Sometimes they are bought for collection reasons, and or the legacy or craftsmanship behind them. It’s not so much about it being because so and so is talking about the brand trending.

Cars are a perfect example of this. A lot of companies like: Ferrari, Aston Martin, Maserati, Bugatti, McLaren etc. will often put out certain cars that are known as “flagship” models. These are usually incredibly rare premiums, that usually have some type of connection to the history of the manufacturer (e.g. Ferrari Enzo and Maserati MC12). And usually attached to said flagship models are a ton of reselling limits. This is to prevent repeated flipping or flipping all together of these special vehicles. Ferrari at 1 point had a bad reputation for telling buyers that they were prohibited from reselling their cars, unless Ferrari authorized the new buyer. Crazy, but that is how serious some of these companies are about their cars. Then of course there are companies like Pagani, in which every car that is released is pretty much a flagship model. Lol.

Okay...going out partying, drinking, movies, sports events. You took my point.

its really not different with cars at all. i know quite a few people that just buy them because its the "in" thing to have a Bugatti or a McLaren in your Garage. the more money you have, the less you have to actually care about the item you are buying.