Seriously ZOS?

Twenty0zTsunami

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

MacCait wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

@MacCait
Don't forget that 1500 crowns cost the same as one month of ESO+ (at least in €). That is funny, because one month ESO+ also gives you 1500 crowns and also more.

Yh I actually think ESO+ is a great deal. It does give you a reasonable amount for what you pay monthly. I'd like to see more of this kind of reasonable pricing when it comes to crown store and housing editor products... right now its absolutely NUTS

@MacCait So then the trick is to be wise with your spending. Strictly buy crowns when they are on sale, and in the mean time allow your monthly given crowns from your ESO+ subscription to accumulate. That way when expensive things come along that you want, you can go ahead and make said investments at ease.

You have to play smart, in order to play hard. And always stick to your budget. No matter what. Set hard rules, and adhere to them with a Pitbull grip.

"investments"

people really are just giving up on words and their actual meanings these days arent they?

Really, look around you everyone is talking about how much they "saved" by *buying more than they need*. It's legit doublespeak and it's becoming more and more prevalent every day

TheCyberDruid

Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »

It's legit doublespeak and it's becoming more and more prevalent every day

And the sad bit is that most people won't even look up what it means and rather counter anything you said without knowing what you said. This whole 'defending the really bad decision' thing is quite scaring me.

Ch4mpTW

MacCait wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

MacCait wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

@MacCait
Don't forget that 1500 crowns cost the same as one month of ESO+ (at least in €). That is funny, because one month ESO+ also gives you 1500 crowns and also more.

Yh I actually think ESO+ is a great deal. It does give you a reasonable amount for what you pay monthly. I'd like to see more of this kind of reasonable pricing when it comes to crown store and housing editor products... right now its absolutely NUTS

@MacCait So then the trick is to be wise with your spending. Strictly buy crowns when they are on sale, and in the mean time allow your monthly given crowns from your ESO+ subscription to accumulate. That way when expensive things come along that you want, you can go ahead and make said investments at ease.

You have to play smart, in order to play hard. And always stick to your budget. No matter what. Set hard rules, and adhere to them with a Pitbull grip.

I'm someone that actually does this to a certain extent, however...

Even if you are the type of player that buys multiple crown packs on sale, how many crown packs can the average person who has a real life mortgage, and a family, buy all at one? Most people with real life houses and a family cannot warrant spending a few hundred pounds all at the same time. ...but even if you did...

...given how frequent these things are, and how much they are going for CROWNS ONLY, plus the limited time frame... its still crazy! Even at sale price of crowns, where 1000 = about £3.50, these houses alone will cost £45.5. (US$63+) That's not including furniture!

So once you factor in furniture that can only be purchased via housing editor, the price hikes up. THEN you find yourself with just a few crowns left and just at a time when another limited 13000 thingy comes along.

On top of this, there is absolutely NO gaurantee that you're newly purchased (extremely expensive) digital home may not develop a digital leak in the roof, or mysteriously have invisible walls in odd places, or randomly come home to find areas of the home missing altogether. These are ongoing problems with most of the original homes on console, where it has been raining inside since June 2017, with no comment or aknowledgement from ZOS no matter how many bug reports or posts on the forums one makes.

(throws hands up in the air and walks away with head down)

You make very valid points. My first ever home I purchased here on ESO (Mathiisen Manor) had a lot of “clipping” and other issues that annoyed me, which ended-up in me trading the property back in. And from a few threads in the past I saw, the place has been riddled with numerous other problems since (even extremes as windows supposedly get covered-up as well).

My second home was the Forsaken Stronghold, and I was extremely pleased with this purchase. I still am in fact. But, it wasn’t... Big enough. I wanted something more spacious, and more luxurious. And while it was nice for something that is basically a fort/mini-castle, I felt it was a tad bit too “tame” for my taste. It didn’t pop enough for me.

Which lead to my third home. The Grand Topal Hideaway. Worth every crown. It just screams lavish and luxury. It’s a damn island resort. Lol. And with all that is included with it (even unfurnished), I just had to scoop it up. So I bagged that, and am still in process of decorating it to my taste. Lol. But definitely the most spacious property to date.

And lastly my last and most recent purchase. The Linchal Grand Manor. The big-ass mansion on the hill in the Gold Coast. And that just fits my taste flawlessly. So I had to go cop that ASAP. I mean, the architecture and just overall atmosphere is just so damn incredible. And besides, I needed a mansion to go with my island resort. You know? You can’t stay year round at a resort. You need a home to head back to, and be your primary address. And the Linchal Grand Manor is just that for me. A colossal mansion surrounded by giant stone walls, with little things such as a pool and garden included. Plus a barn that can be converted to anything you can dream of.

So you see, it’s just a matter of shopping around until you find what sticks. And then making the investment. It’s the same way with cars. You may find a Gumpert or Ferrari that is nice for Spring and Summer, but what are you supposed to drive in the Autumn and Winter? That low to the ground spyder isn’t going to hold-up to the frigid cold and snow. That’s when you go back to your Porsche and or Aston. You know? That’s when you go back to your basics.

MacCait

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

MacCait wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

MacCait wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

@MacCait
Don't forget that 1500 crowns cost the same as one month of ESO+ (at least in €). That is funny, because one month ESO+ also gives you 1500 crowns and also more.

Yh I actually think ESO+ is a great deal. It does give you a reasonable amount for what you pay monthly. I'd like to see more of this kind of reasonable pricing when it comes to crown store and housing editor products... right now its absolutely NUTS

@MacCait So then the trick is to be wise with your spending. Strictly buy crowns when they are on sale, and in the mean time allow your monthly given crowns from your ESO+ subscription to accumulate. That way when expensive things come along that you want, you can go ahead and make said investments at ease.

You have to play smart, in order to play hard. And always stick to your budget. No matter what. Set hard rules, and adhere to them with a Pitbull grip.

I'm someone that actually does this to a certain extent, however...

Even if you are the type of player that buys multiple crown packs on sale, how many crown packs can the average person who has a real life mortgage, and a family, buy all at one? Most people with real life houses and a family cannot warrant spending a few hundred pounds all at the same time. ...but even if you did...

...given how frequent these things are, and how much they are going for CROWNS ONLY, plus the limited time frame... its still crazy! Even at sale price of crowns, where 1000 = about £3.50, these houses alone will cost £45.5. (US$63+) That's not including furniture!

So once you factor in furniture that can only be purchased via housing editor, the price hikes up. THEN you find yourself with just a few crowns left and just at a time when another limited 13000 thingy comes along.

On top of this, there is absolutely NO gaurantee that you're newly purchased (extremely expensive) digital home may not develop a digital leak in the roof, or mysteriously have invisible walls in odd places, or randomly come home to find areas of the home missing altogether. These are ongoing problems with most of the original homes on console, where it has been raining inside since June 2017, with no comment or aknowledgement from ZOS no matter how many bug reports or posts on the forums one makes.

(throws hands up in the air and walks away with head down)

You make very valid points. My first ever home I purchased here on ESO (Mathiisen Manor) had a lot of “clipping” and other issues that annoyed me, which ended-up in me trading the property back in. And from a few threads in the past I saw, the place has been riddled with numerous other problems since (even extremes as windows supposedly get covered-up as well).

My second home was the Forsaken Stronghold, and I was extremely pleased with this purchase. I still am in fact. But, it wasn’t... Big enough. I wanted something more spacious, and more luxurious. And while it was nice for something that is basically a fort/mini-castle, I felt it was a tad bit too “tame” for my taste. It didn’t pop enough for me.

Which lead to my third home. The Grand Topal Hideaway. Worth every crown. It just screams lavish and luxury. It’s a damn island resort. Lol. And with all that is included with it (even unfurnished), I just had to scoop it up. So I bagged that, and am still in process of decorating it to my taste. Lol. But definitely the most spacious property to date.

And lastly my last and most recent purchase. The Linchal Grand Manor. The big-ass mansion on the hill in the Gold Coast. And that just fits my taste flawlessly. So I had to go cop that ASAP. I mean, the architecture and just overall atmosphere is just so damn incredible. And besides, I needed a mansion to go with my island resort. You know? You can’t stay year round at a resort. You need a home to head back to, and be your primary address. And the Linchal Grand Manor is just that for me. A colossal mansion surrounded by giant stone walls, with little things such as a pool and garden included. Plus a barn that can be converted to anything you can dream of.

So you see, it’s just a matter of shopping around until you find what sticks. And then making the investment. It’s the same way with cars. You may find a Gumpert or Ferrari that is nice for Spring and Summer, but what are you supposed to drive in the Autumn and Winter? That low to the ground spyder isn’t going to hold-up to the frigid cold and snow. That’s when you go back to your Porsche and or Aston. You know? That’s when you go back to your basics.

So... what I got from this was... you're a millionaire in real life.

I rest my case

Acrolas

I can appreciate threads like this, because they make me happy that none of you are in charge of this game's monetization.

Do you want a hard pill to swallow? Consider this: if you're feeling left out of a crown store item, you're right. The strategy ZOS chose to meet its target did not include you. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Despite some superficial similarities, you do not have a discount retail relationship with ZOS.

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

When I came back to the game last October and missed out on the Witches House (forget what it's actually called, sorry), I learned to start saving up my crowns against just this sort of thing.

Crowns aren't mandatory for Exorcised Coven Cottage. Just 250,000 gold and the An Unsparing Harvest achievement. So instead of crowns, start pooling Hollowjack motifs and Witches Festival provisioning recipes on one character so that when the Festival opens again that character only has to complete the Plunder Skull grind to unlock the house.

DieAlteHexe

TheCyberDruid wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

See here's the thing; I don't spend any money on going out or partying or clothes or fancy vehicles etc. I like to spend my discretionary on gaming (hardware and software), books and knitting stuff (charity work). So, the usual way to approach a purchase is factoring in enjoyment and cost. If I think I'll get enough enjoyment out of something for what it costs, I'll buy it.

I just spend over 40 € on games. You know, those things you actually play? I'm amazed how people justify spending way more money than the base game costs on 'cosmetic' things. Of course it's up to you how you spend your money, so all the best to you

Are you saying then that folks who buy "cosmetic things" aren't playing ESO? Because that's a somewhat peculiar assertion. What matters to you whether I play the game in a costume, store my stuff in a house or ride a fancy critter?

I'm amazed that people spend as much money as they do partying but hey, if that makes them happy, it's all good. I don't tend to be judgemental about others' preferences.

DieAlteHexe

Acrolas wrote: »

I can appreciate threads like this, because they make me happy that none of you are in charge of this game's monetization.

Do you want a hard pill to swallow? Consider this: if you're feeling left out of a crown store item, you're right. The strategy ZOS chose to meet its target did not include you. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Despite some superficial similarities, you do not have a discount retail relationship with ZOS.

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

When I came back to the game last October and missed out on the Witches House (forget what it's actually called, sorry), I learned to start saving up my crowns against just this sort of thing.

Crowns aren't mandatory for Exorcised Coven Cottage. Just 250,000 gold and the An Unsparing Harvest achievement. So instead of crowns, start pooling Hollowjack motifs and Witches Festival provisioning recipes on one character so that when the Festival opens again that character only has to complete the Plunder Skull grind to unlock the house.

Thanks for that! Whereas I was an impoverished effective n00b (my unplanned departure from the game was pre-1Tamriel so I had a lot to catch upon) last October, now I'm comfortably well off (both in gold and crowns). I have a metric you-know-what of motifs and a few of the recipes that my chars. didn't make use of so...again, thank you!

Hippie4927

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

TheCyberDruid wrote: »

The whales are going to buy it all and that's the state the game is in now. Cater to the whales and skim off the rest. One person in my guild today was really into the new target dummy and the fact that you have to buy a 30+ € pack to get it didn't bother them. A target dummy is worth over 30 € to people playing this game, so ZOS just knows how to milk them.

Can't milk a willing donor.

See here's the thing; I don't spend any money on going out or partying or clothes or fancy vehicles etc. I like to spend my discretionary on gaming (hardware and software), books and knitting stuff (charity work). So, the usual way to approach a purchase is factoring in enjoyment and cost. If I think I'll get enough enjoyment out of something for what it costs, I'll buy it.

If that makes me a "whale" or any other derogatory word you can come up with, I can live with that.

This applies to me, also. I'm retired and don't have to spend money on gas, lunch, clothes, makeup, or whatever else I needed for work, anymore. I'm no longer into partying or drinking. I don't buy booze, lottery tickets, or any of that sort of stuff. My 'thing' is gaming and that's where I spend money when I choose. I don't judge what others spend their money on.......it's not my business!

zaria

BuddyAces wrote: »

What's funnier is that all the people that I know who bought this house would have bought it today whether it was up for one day or one month. The limited time thing plays no part in their decision to purchase these things. I have no clue why they don't let em stay on the store for longer. One would imagine that they would make more money in the long run by having more folks purchase it than what I'm guessing are impulse buyers who only purchase because it is a limited thing.

I could care less since I've never bought anything because it was limited time. Their decisions just boggle my mind sometimes.

This, at worst it would delay the buying, I will probably buy the furniture pack, primary for the statues.
But I might forget about it as I have forgotten luxury furniture and the golden too many times.

Slick_007

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

When I came back to the game last October and missed out on the Witches House (forget what it's actually called, sorry), I learned to start saving up my crowns against just this sort of thing.

the house was 250k gold for me iirc

DieAlteHexe

Slick_007 wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

When I came back to the game last October and missed out on the Witches House (forget what it's actually called, sorry), I learned to start saving up my crowns against just this sort of thing.

the house was 250k gold for me iirc

Saved that up too.

I just had nothing back then and I learned kind of how the whole Crown store works so I save both gold and Crowns against the time when I just have to have something. I'm not a fan of these "limited offer"dealies. Hate feeling proded.

Morgul667

Prices are crazy lately

Ragged_Claw

It's not so much that this stuff is over-priced (although it is) and I would not judge anyone and call them 'Whales' for buying it, my issue is this whole limited time issue. I used to save my monthly crowns to buy something I really wanted and when the housing update hit I got carried away and spent all the crowns I'd saved. Then 'LIMITED TIME' stuff hit. Well I don't much give a rats arse for most of it, after all it is only digital fluff, but from time to time things do come up that I would like. I knew I wasn't going to be able to afford the Dark Brotherhood lair, which is a shame since I've been waiting for something like this since housing was introduced, but whatever, that's my problem. However, I thought I might be able to get the Sithis statue at least, but even if I buy the £20 crown pack, I will still come up short. Um hum.

It's been pointed out to me that if you buy the $150 crown pack you still will not have enough for all three new items. Um hum. See where this is going? Everything will now be priced just over one crown pack so you will have to buy more than you need, an old trick but an effective one.

Whether or not one can afford this stuff is not the point, the point is when you buy into this 'LIMITED TIME' nonsense you are rewarding ZoS for bad behaviour, like giving a naughty kid a cookie. Many of us said when the crown store first appeared that this rubbish would be next and voila! It is, because people will buy the stuff regardless of how shockingly it is priced. So each time you buy at these extortionate prices you are pushing the prices up and up, we have seen this since the crown store was introduced. Each new LIMITED TIME mount is costlier than the last etc. Because people buy it. ZoS exist to make money, so I guess you can't blame them (They must be laughing their asses off). You can't blame the people who buy this dross because they are just trying to enjoy themselves.

What upsets me most is that ESO is now becoming the thing it strove so hard not to be: Just another MMO designed to suck players in and then funnel them into the cash store.

TL;DR: If I win the lottery on Saturday, ZoS, I am still not buying this stuff because your business practices are becoming shadier and more despicable by the day. tyvm.

Taleof2Cities

These are optional things. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy them.

swippy

MacCait wrote: »

even Morrowind was only £14.99. You can buy the whole of Morrowind to explore for cheaper than buying the crown only notable home (£65), not including the home and limited edition furniture packs at £108. CRAAAZZZZZZYYYYYNNEESSSS

in my country it's normal to spend more on a house than on a road trip.

Ch4mpTW

Hippie4927 wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

TheCyberDruid wrote: »

The whales are going to buy it all and that's the state the game is in now. Cater to the whales and skim off the rest. One person in my guild today was really into the new target dummy and the fact that you have to buy a 30+ € pack to get it didn't bother them. A target dummy is worth over 30 € to people playing this game, so ZOS just knows how to milk them.

Can't milk a willing donor.

See here's the thing; I don't spend any money on going out or partying or clothes or fancy vehicles etc. I like to spend my discretionary on gaming (hardware and software), books and knitting stuff (charity work). So, the usual way to approach a purchase is factoring in enjoyment and cost. If I think I'll get enough enjoyment out of something for what it costs, I'll buy it.

If that makes me a "whale" or any other derogatory word you can come up with, I can live with that.

This applies to me, also. I'm retired and don't have to spend money on gas, lunch, clothes, makeup, or whatever else I needed for work, anymore. I'm no longer into partying or drinking. I don't buy booze, lottery tickets, or any of that sort of stuff. My 'thing' is gaming and that's where I spend money when I choose. I don't judge what others spend their money on.......it's not my business!

Agreed, as I’m in a similar situation. Except that I still work. The whole spending cash on: Partying, alcohol, and or any of the other “party enhancements” aren’t for me. I like to indulge in: Exotic cars (still trying to acquire a Saleen S7 or Spyker C8 Lavioette), watches (huge watch collector), and video games. So that’s what I indulge in. And I refuse to sell myself short on those 3 things. Especially gaming, as that has my passion since a very young age.

LadyAstrum

I'm noticing both here, on reddit and social media people questioning these prices and in some cases folk commenting that such pricing is putting them off the game. This is not a feeling ZoS want to create within their playerbase. The limited-time, crown-exclusive housing either needs to happen less frequently, or make them permanently available (pref with gold alternative). Yes, those who thrive off having bragging rights to rare houses won't feel quite so special anymore, but it would at least make these houses more accessible to a bigger segment of the community.

These are houses, it's not going to hurt if more people can experience them.
For me, it is the case that I find the prices unpalatable in comparison to the actual cost of the game and DLC's, and it feels like a two-tier system. One experience for those who can, and exclusion for those who can't. Permanent availability with gold alternative would help. ZoS would still make money.

I've decided, going forwards, I'll be buying less crowns overall, and at the advice of some, I'll save my sub crowns and use only those on a future big house. My long-term commitment to this game wanes due to an anxious and uneasy feeling I get from the above points.

Saucy_Jack

I guess what I don't get is this: someone was paid to design/create/implement these houses, which might have taken a bit for the larger ones.

So having all that effort go into something that's only offered for 4 days and never again seems...shortsighted? I mean, are they going to have limited sales of these houses again later on? Are they going to be implemented as buyable with gold like two years down the line? If these houses are only available for the 4 or whatever days during a single limited time sale, it just seems like a waste of the designing/coding resources.

peacenote

Minyassa wrote: »

I have to agree with this. The limited sales are actually directly impacting my crown store purchases, because I'm now afraid to spend crowns *unless* it's a limited offer because I know I'll be upset if I buy something and then don't have enough crowns for the limited thing....They'd potentially get a lot more money out of me by having their limited sales last at least a full month's pay cycle.

Yep, same here. This is exactly what I do now. Except I've been playing so long and there have been so many limited sales that I am sometimes hesitant to buy the limited time item because I'm worried there might be a limited time item I like more.

I also have missed stuff because I was on vacation or couldn't log in for whatever reason when they were released... things I actually really wanted ahead of time.

Personally speaking, I am MUCH more likely to buy something that is going, going... gone! over a span of a few weeks. If I like it, I'll have been admiring it over a weekend or two and then I just can't let it slip away when the timer is finally applied. Free tip, ZOS!

Niobium

Stock up your crowns when 50% off. Keep your sub crowns @ 1500/mth. When the limited time stuff comes around, you can buy it without issue.

And just like RL, sometimes you can't have everything you want.

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

See here's the thing; I don't spend any money on going out or partying or clothes or fancy vehicles etc. I like to spend my discretionary on gaming (hardware and software), books and knitting stuff (charity work). So, the usual way to approach a purchase is factoring in enjoyment and cost. If I think I'll get enough enjoyment out of something for what it costs, I'll buy it.

If that makes me a "whale" or any other derogatory word you can come up with, I can live with that.

Pretty much that.

NyassaV

Likely loose more sales this way because instead of splurging people will be demoralized and just give up

Ch4mpTW

NyassaV wrote: »

Likely loose more sales this way because instead of splurging people will be demoralized and just give up

Possibly. I for 1 only grab things that “call” to me. If I see something that I can picture myself genuinely enjoying, and thoroughly having a good time with? I buy it. I don’t hesitate. I don’t make arrangements so that it fits within my schedule and or finances. N’ah. I just buy it then and there. Because I know for a fact that it is something I want.

Perfect example is the furniture pack recently released. I knew for a fact I’d adore the Egyptian theme going on, and the little golden miniatures. So, I immediately grabbed it up (although I did at first question my gut impulse on buying it for a few seconds lol). Come to find out, I liked it so much that I ended-up buying 2 of them. Just so I could have 2 of those target dummies and massive statues.

Ragnarock41

Then be an intelligent customer, and stop rewarding zos for their behaviour.

I mean, these stuff are sooo expensive that I completely pass on all of it, the crates, houses, everything is sooo ridicilously expensive that Its a waste of my hard earned money. I at least appreciate the DLCS being cheap tho.

TheCyberDruid

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Are you saying then that folks who buy "cosmetic things" aren't playing ESO? Because that's a somewhat peculiar assertion. What matters to you whether I play the game in a costume, store my stuff in a house or ride a fancy critter?

No, I'm not saying that you aren't playing the game, but rather that you happily spend as much (or more) as the game costs on things that are purely optional and don't think that's a bit odd. I get that MMO games work that way now (look at CS:GO skins), but it's just weird to see how much money people are happily willing to spend on those things.

DieAlteHexe

TheCyberDruid wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Are you saying then that folks who buy "cosmetic things" aren't playing ESO? Because that's a somewhat peculiar assertion. What matters to you whether I play the game in a costume, store my stuff in a house or ride a fancy critter?

No, I'm not saying that you aren't playing the game, but rather that you happily spend as much (or more) as the game costs on things that are purely optional and don't think that's a bit odd. I get that MMO games work that way now (look at CS:GO skins), but it's just weird to see how much money people are happily willing to spend on those things.

Ah, thank you for clarifying.

Well, I think it's odd that people will spend 200 bucks on a pair of shoes or buy a car for 100k or, my favourite, sports season tickets (holy moly!). So there you have it. But, as I said before, I don't judge. So long as someone is paying their bills, meeting their responsibilities, it's all good.

Ch4mpTW

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

TheCyberDruid wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Are you saying then that folks who buy "cosmetic things" aren't playing ESO? Because that's a somewhat peculiar assertion. What matters to you whether I play the game in a costume, store my stuff in a house or ride a fancy critter?

No, I'm not saying that you aren't playing the game, but rather that you happily spend as much (or more) as the game costs on things that are purely optional and don't think that's a bit odd. I get that MMO games work that way now (look at CS:GO skins), but it's just weird to see how much money people are happily willing to spend on those things.

Ah, thank you for clarifying.

Well, I think it's odd that people will spend 200 bucks on a pair of shoes or buy a car for 100k or, my favourite, sports season tickets (holy moly!). So there you have it. But, as I said before, I don't judge. So long as someone is paying their bills, meeting their responsibilities, it's all good.

@DieAlteHexe Ehhh, it’s different with things like cars and shoes. Sometimes they are bought for collection reasons, and or the legacy or craftsmanship behind them. It’s not so much about it being because so and so is talking about the brand trending.

Cars are a perfect example of this. A lot of companies like: Ferrari, Aston Martin, Maserati, Bugatti, McLaren etc. will often put out certain cars that are known as “flagship” models. These are usually incredibly rare premiums, that usually have some type of connection to the history of the manufacturer (e.g. Ferrari Enzo and Maserati MC12). And usually attached to said flagship models are a ton of reselling limits. This is to prevent repeated flipping or flipping all together of these special vehicles. Ferrari at 1 point had a bad reputation for telling buyers that they were prohibited from reselling their cars, unless Ferrari authorized the new buyer. Crazy, but that is how serious some of these companies are about their cars. Then of course there are companies like Pagani, in which every car that is released is pretty much a flagship model. Lol.

DieAlteHexe

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

TheCyberDruid wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Are you saying then that folks who buy "cosmetic things" aren't playing ESO? Because that's a somewhat peculiar assertion. What matters to you whether I play the game in a costume, store my stuff in a house or ride a fancy critter?

No, I'm not saying that you aren't playing the game, but rather that you happily spend as much (or more) as the game costs on things that are purely optional and don't think that's a bit odd. I get that MMO games work that way now (look at CS:GO skins), but it's just weird to see how much money people are happily willing to spend on those things.

Ah, thank you for clarifying.

Well, I think it's odd that people will spend 200 bucks on a pair of shoes or buy a car for 100k or, my favourite, sports season tickets (holy moly!). So there you have it. But, as I said before, I don't judge. So long as someone is paying their bills, meeting their responsibilities, it's all good.

@DieAlteHexe Ehhh, it’s different with things like cars and shoes. Sometimes they are bought for collection reasons, and or the legacy or craftsmanship behind them. It’s not so much about it being because so and so is talking about the brand trending.

Cars are a perfect example of this. A lot of companies like: Ferrari, Aston Martin, Maserati, Bugatti, McLaren etc. will often put out certain cars that are known as “flagship” models. These are usually incredibly rare premiums, that usually have some type of connection to the history of the manufacturer (e.g. Ferrari Enzo and Maserati MC12). And usually attached to said flagship models are a ton of reselling limits. This is to prevent repeated flipping or flipping all together of these special vehicles. Ferrari at 1 point had a bad reputation for telling buyers that they were prohibited from reselling their cars, unless Ferrari authorized the new buyer. Crazy, but that is how serious some of these companies are about their cars. Then of course there are companies like Pagani, in which every car that is released is pretty much a flagship model. Lol.

Okay...going out partying, drinking, movies, sports events. You took my point.

LadyAstrum

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

TheCyberDruid wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Are you saying then that folks who buy "cosmetic things" aren't playing ESO? Because that's a somewhat peculiar assertion. What matters to you whether I play the game in a costume, store my stuff in a house or ride a fancy critter?

No, I'm not saying that you aren't playing the game, but rather that you happily spend as much (or more) as the game costs on things that are purely optional and don't think that's a bit odd. I get that MMO games work that way now (look at CS:GO skins), but it's just weird to see how much money people are happily willing to spend on those things.

Ah, thank you for clarifying.

Well, I think it's odd that people will spend 200 bucks on a pair of shoes or buy a car for 100k or, my favourite, sports season tickets (holy moly!). So there you have it. But, as I said before, I don't judge. So long as someone is paying their bills, meeting their responsibilities, it's all good.

At least you can wear the shoes and drive the car. They'll be around for as long as you need them. And if they're vintage you can pass them down. Once ESO goes poof, there'll be nothing.

I really think people are kidding themselves that these houses are truly value for money, and the excusing of these inflated prices is further perpetuating an ugly trend where only those with deep pockets can even hope to access some of this stuff.

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The solution: Don't buy any of it. ZOS is going to keep pushing boundaries as far as it can until the community pushes back.

DieAlteHexe

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

TheCyberDruid wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Are you saying then that folks who buy "cosmetic things" aren't playing ESO? Because that's a somewhat peculiar assertion. What matters to you whether I play the game in a costume, store my stuff in a house or ride a fancy critter?

No, I'm not saying that you aren't playing the game, but rather that you happily spend as much (or more) as the game costs on things that are purely optional and don't think that's a bit odd. I get that MMO games work that way now (look at CS:GO skins), but it's just weird to see how much money people are happily willing to spend on those things.

Ah, thank you for clarifying.

Well, I think it's odd that people will spend 200 bucks on a pair of shoes or buy a car for 100k or, my favourite, sports season tickets (holy moly!). So there you have it. But, as I said before, I don't judge. So long as someone is paying their bills, meeting their responsibilities, it's all good.

At least you can wear the shoes and drive the car. They'll be around for as long as you need them. And if they're vintage you can pass them down. Once ESO goes poof, there'll be nothing.

I really think people are kidding themselves that these houses are truly value for money, and the excusing of these inflated prices is further perpetuating an ugly trend where only those with deep pockets can even hope to access some of this stuff.

Nothing? How about all the fun had? It's rather like books or a movie or booze. Once any of those are "consumed", all gone with nothing left to show for them aside from memories and, maybe ( ) a hangover.

The value gained is in the enjoyment gained. I don't understand why this is such a hard concept for people to get. I don't enjoy getting drunk but I know a lot of people do. More power to 'em. Same diff.