Where would you currently rate classes for PVP?

Sixty5

We all see the talk about how X or Y is top dog, but there are a lot of classes that people don't talk about, and I'd like to see where people feel they fit in, along with what you are playing for context.

Personally as a Battlegrounds player, my list would be

Magblade, Stam Warden > Strong in pretty much every circumstance, has access to a wide variety of options
Stamblade, Mag DK, Magplar > Strong in general, but tend to have more limited gameplay options
Stamplar, Mag Sorc, Magden > Versatile, but not as strong in general as above classes
Stam Sorc, Stam DK > Most limited classes, don't really do anything that other classes don't already

Of course there are going to be exceptions, as this is generalisation, and one mostly based on my experience. I don't really feel like any of these classes are explicitly broken, or underpowered, just that in the current meta, some classes are doing better than others.

So let's see your list, I want to see just how wrong I am.

callen4492

Stamblade - Strongest by far. It's got everything and then some. That's why there's WAY more stamblades than any other class in BG's and cyrodiil. It's not even a contest.

Stamwarden and Magicka Nightblade - Mag Nb is also very strong but not quite as good as stam nb. Stam warden also has everything but it's not as easy to use, as evidenced by the extreme lack of players using warden. It has a stam spammable that's almost unused now that it's dodgeable. Haven't seen a single bird since the update.

Templars - The purify and other healing mechanics make them very strong.

Everybody else.

Morgul667

I would go with

MagBlade, StamBlade, StamDen > MagDK, MagPlar > MagDen, MagSorc >= StamDK, StamSorc

Joy_Division

Stamina Warden, Stamina NB, Magicka NB

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Mag Warden

Sixty5

Joy_Division wrote: »

Stamina Warden, Stamina NB, Magicka NB

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Mag Warden

I'm curious why Mag Warden is so low?

I've found that they tend to always be pretty tough cookies.

The damage isn't gankblade level, but they still kill stuff pretty well.

Morgul667

Sixty5 wrote: »

I'm curious why Mag Warden is so low?

I've found that they tend to always be pretty tough cookies.

The damage isn't gankblade level, but they still kill stuff pretty well.

Was going to ask the same

Morgul667

Rest of the results seems similar between different posts so far

Sixty5

Morgul667 wrote: »

Rest of the results seems similar between different posts so far

I seem to rate Stamblade a tad lower, because they are sort of limited towards a burst heavy playstyle, but it might just be my personal bias given that I play something that is a soft counter to them.

Beardimus

Poll would have been easier to read data! Shame you can't have sequenced polls.

Koensol

Sixty5 wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Rest of the results seems similar between different posts so far

I seem to rate Stamblade a tad lower, because they are sort of limited towards a burst heavy playstyle, but it might just be my personal bias given that I play something that is a soft counter to them.

It seems as if you, including many other people on this forum, only think of stamblades as medium armor high burst low mitigation playstyle. I can tell you for battlegrounds you are a lot more valuable for your team in heavy armor and can take on different playstyles more than fine.

I currently play BG's with heavy armor and 2h/dw. With the axe bleed, rending slashes bleed and blade cloak you can put more than enough pressure on people while being able to back it up with burst and being very valuable to your team with fear, relieving pressure from your healer. Blade cloak makes your insanely tanky against most ultimates, and more often than not I end up guarding the chaosball because you have the damage to kill the carrier, but also the mitigation to protect the ball. Just throw down a veil of blades/bolstering darkness on top of blade cloak and it's gg for a while.

As for the topic at hand, I believe the best BG classes to be Stamwarden, magplar and stam/magblade. The rest is just kind of blurred together, switching position depending on the game mode. Some game modes prefer a more mobility based build, where some classes obviously fall short.

Morgul667

Koensol wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Rest of the results seems similar between different posts so far

I seem to rate Stamblade a tad lower, because they are sort of limited towards a burst heavy playstyle, but it might just be my personal bias given that I play something that is a soft counter to them.

It seems as if you, including many other people on this forum, only think of stamblades as medium armor high burst low mitigation playstyle. I can tell you for battlegrounds you are a lot more valuable for your team in heavy armor and can take on different playstyles more than fine.

I currently play BG's with heavy armor and 2h/dw. With the axe bleed, rending slashes bleed and blade cloak you can put more than enough pressure on people while being able to back it up with burst and being very valuable to your team with fear, relieving pressure from your healer. Blade cloak makes your insanely tanky against most ultimates, and more often than not I end up guarding the chaosball because you have the damage to kill the carrier, but also the mitigation to protect the ball. Just throw down a veil of blades/bolstering darkness on top of blade cloak and it's gg for a while.

As for the topic at hand, I believe the best BG classes to be Stamwarden, magplar and stam/magblade. The rest is just kind of blurred together, switching position depending on the game mode. Some game modes prefer a more mobility based build, where some classes obviously fall short.

No class is perfect but last night BG was nightblades everywhere (and loading screen for some reason).

I think NB strong suit is cloak that is neither broken nor impacted by loss of CP and help to recover a tough situation. They also have execute and good burst which is cool for BG gameplay .

Waffennacht

mNB Stam NB
mDK
Stam Warden
Stamplar
Magplar
Mag Sorc
Stam Sorc
Stam DK
Magden

With a bunch of them being really close

LegendaryMage

Having played stamplar for a couple of weeks continuously in Cyrodiil, I can confirm that I haven't bumped into a single stamplar myself. This is on PC EU.

Apart from cleanse, there's just no protection of any form other than dodge roll. They are in desperate needs of buffing.

Purge is not nearly as good as some would have you believe, and up until recently (and even now perhaps) jabs were always clunky and unreliable.

Mag sorc and mag nb are probably the most versatile ones for Cyrodiil, apart from stam nbs.

So my ranking would be (from overall best to worst);

1. Mag sorc.
2. Mag & stam nb.
3. Mag templar & stam sorc.
4. Mag dk.
5. Stam dk & stam templar.

edit; I don't like Wardens but they can be a nightmare if built right.

Sixty5

Koensol wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Rest of the results seems similar between different posts so far

I seem to rate Stamblade a tad lower, because they are sort of limited towards a burst heavy playstyle, but it might just be my personal bias given that I play something that is a soft counter to them.

It seems as if you, including many other people on this forum, only think of stamblades as medium armor high burst low mitigation playstyle. I can tell you for battlegrounds you are a lot more valuable for your team in heavy armor and can take on different playstyles more than fine.

I currently play BG's with heavy armor and 2h/dw. With the axe bleed, rending slashes bleed and blade cloak you can put more than enough pressure on people while being able to back it up with burst and being very valuable to your team with fear, relieving pressure from your healer. Blade cloak makes your insanely tanky against most ultimates, and more often than not I end up guarding the chaosball because you have the damage to kill the carrier, but also the mitigation to protect the ball. Just throw down a veil of blades/bolstering darkness on top of blade cloak and it's gg for a while.

As for the topic at hand, I believe the best BG classes to be Stamwarden, magplar and stam/magblade. The rest is just kind of blurred together, switching position depending on the game mode. Some game modes prefer a more mobility based build, where some classes obviously fall short.

Yeah, I know that there are other stam nb builds out there, hell the one I'm rocking plays a lot like a magblade. Just as a generalisation based on abilities and passives, stamblade tends to be a lot burstier than other classes. Might just be Incap and relentless though.

Waffennacht wrote: »

mNB Stam NB
mDK
Stam Warden
Stamplar
Magplar
Mag Sorc
Stam Sorc
Stam DK
Magden

With a bunch of them being really close

Not too far off of mine, though you seem to rate Mag DK higher

Morgul667

Waffennacht wrote: »

mNB Stam NB
mDK
Stam Warden
Stamplar
Magplar
Mag Sorc
Stam Sorc
Stam DK
Magden

With a bunch of them being really close

Interesting but why do you put magden so low ?

Waffennacht

Give it about 3 weeks

Sixty5

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Having played stamplar for a couple of weeks continuously in Cyrodiil, I can confirm that I haven't bumped into a single stamplar myself. This is on PC EU.

Apart from cleanse, there's just no protection of any form other than dodge roll. They are in desperate needs of buffing.

Purge is not nearly as good as some would have you believe, and up until recently (and even now perhaps) jabs were always clunky and unreliable.

Mag sorc and mag nb are probably the most versatile ones for Cyrodiil, apart from stam nbs.

So my ranking would be (from overall best to worst);

1. Mag sorc.
2. Mag & stam nb.
3. Mag templar & stam sorc.
4. Mag dk.
5. Stam dk & stam templar.

edit; I don't like Wardens but they can be a nightmare if built right.

I feel like Stamplar is in a better place overall than Stam Sorc or Stam DK, just because all three classes kinda lack strong defensive tools beyond block and stacking mitigation from armour, but Stamplar at least has a cleanse and slightly better burst options.

That is discounting the Jabs/CP bugs

Though they might work completely different open world to how they perform in BG's

LegendaryMage

Sixty5 wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Having played stamplar for a couple of weeks continuously in Cyrodiil, I can confirm that I haven't bumped into a single stamplar myself. This is on PC EU.

Apart from cleanse, there's just no protection of any form other than dodge roll. They are in desperate needs of buffing.

Purge is not nearly as good as some would have you believe, and up until recently (and even now perhaps) jabs were always clunky and unreliable.

Mag sorc and mag nb are probably the most versatile ones for Cyrodiil, apart from stam nbs.

So my ranking would be (from overall best to worst);

1. Mag sorc.
2. Mag & stam nb.
3. Mag templar & stam sorc.
4. Mag dk.
5. Stam dk & stam templar.

edit; I don't like Wardens but they can be a nightmare if built right.

I feel like Stamplar is in a better place overall than Stam Sorc or Stam DK, just because all three classes kinda lack strong defensive tools beyond block and stacking mitigation from armour, but Stamplar at least has a cleanse and slightly better burst options.

That is discounting the Jabs/CP bugs

Though they might work completely different open world to how they perform in BG's

Survivability is a big problem for stamplars.

In my book, a stamina open world build is a build that absolutely must have a gap closer and decent maneuverability options such as sprint & speed, hence bow as a back bar in most cases unless it's avoided via a speed potion (then some other things will suffer though).

Now, under those circumstances, having played stam nb and stamplar, I can confirm that they're night and day in terms of BOTH damage AND survivability.

Only poor stam dks are somewhat in the same boat as stamplars, but I would say that their lack of cleanse compensates in additional sustaining and healing taken bonuses, not to mention leap which is much better than sweep.

Although to be fair to stamplars, I have to say that power of the light is a very cool ability.

Stam DKs need a stamina morph of whip as their spammable, that would help them a lot.

There is a completely useless morph that probably no one is using at all (or if they are, they ought not to), so simply converting that into a stamina ability would go a long way for stam dks.

And stamplars need their shield to scale better off of their health. This would increase their survivability and provide them with some decent options.

That's why my templar is no longer Redguard, but Argonian so that I can easily switch between mag & stam depending on what I prefer to play at the time.

IZZEFlameLash

Nightblades of any spec >> Stam warden > Other stam builds that are not stam DK, magicka sorc and magicka templar > magicka builds that are not sorc and templar, stamDK.

I rated these based on utilities and damage potentials both in groups and solo. Nightblades of both spec at the top because they can pretty much nullify everything other classes can throw at, be it healing, defense or offense.

I honestly feel stam warden might be the as other stam builds that are not DK or NB especially when the burst is not going to be aligned due to enemy defensive measures. But their ultgen is something DKs can only drool while imagining having it.

Joy_Division

Sixty5 wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Stamina Warden, Stamina NB, Magicka NB

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Mag Warden

I'm curious why Mag Warden is so low?

I've found that they tend to always be pretty tough cookies.

The damage isn't gankblade level, but they still kill stuff pretty well.

Haven't been hit with a bird since the update.

Mag wardens have a big problems killing other players. No CC except for a delayed class skill that has to be aimed. No execute to take advantage if they happen to hit with said delayed class skill. No ultimate to aid with burst. Birds now do nothing but damage; delayed damage means it's super easy to dodge, which was the reason ZoS originally made it undodgable in the first place. Both their primary attacks are easily avoidable means they're really going to struggle Vs. better opponents

They are ok at being troll tanks, but that's about it. People may think they are fine because their stamina brethren are so damn strong or they have PTSD from undogable birds, but in two months I would bet real money mag wardens are going to be at or near the bottom of any poll.

Sixty5

Joy_Division wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Stamina Warden, Stamina NB, Magicka NB

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Mag DK, Magplar, Stamplar
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Mag Sroc
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Mag Warden

I'm curious why Mag Warden is so low?

I've found that they tend to always be pretty tough cookies.

The damage isn't gankblade level, but they still kill stuff pretty well.

Haven't been hit with a bird since the update.

Mag wardens have a big problems killing other players. No CC except for a delayed class skill that has to be aimed. No execute to take advantage if they happen to hit with said delayed class skill. No ultimate to aid with burst. Birds now do nothing but damage; delayed damage means it's super easy to dodge, which was the reason ZoS originally made it undodgable in the first place. Both their primary attacks are easily avoidable means they're really going to struggle Vs. better opponents

They are ok at being troll tanks, but that's about it. People may think they are fine because their stamina brethren are so damn strong or they have PTSD from undogable birds, but in two months I would bet real money mag wardens are going to be at or near the bottom of any poll.

I feel like Dawnbreaker would cover a lot of those weaknesses, though I can't say for sure given that I've never played a Magden myself

thankyourat

I would rate stamden number 1 with magblade being number 2 ahead of mag dk because magblade is more versatile even though I feel 1v1 mag dk is stronger, but magblade can play either 1v1 or open world. Next I would have to go with stamblade or magplar you can flip them how you want stamblade is probably second strongest open world behind stamden while magplar is the best class for group play. I rate stamblade lower than most because in my opinion it loses effectiveness against better players. Next I would put magsorc. It's pretty much in the same boat as stamblade really good against newer players but loses effectiveness against experienced players.

1)stamden
2) magblade
3) mag dk
4)magplar
5)stamblade
6)magsorc
7)stamplar
8)magden
9)stam sorc
10) stam dk

In my opinion you could really switch up 4 through 10 and you would get little argument from me as long as stam dk stays number 10. The class is completely playable it just lacks identity and a reason to play it over stamden. I think stamden is ahead of every Claas though. It's the best open world class and pretty much the best class for dueling as well, while also being great in small group play

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Stamblade/stamden > Mag Sorc / Stamplar > Mag blade /Mag DK > StamDk/Stam sorc > Magden /Magplar

RebornV3x

Stam everything pretty much all stam in PvP is good mag dks, Templars and nightblades have there place in PvP with mag wardens and mag sorcs being dead last PvP wise

BohnT

Stamblade, Stamwarden






Magnb













Magplar, Magdk,
Stamsorc, Stamplar, Magsorc


Magden














Stamdk


Stamwarden needs to be completely overhauled
Stamnb needs to get rid of Incap CC
Magnb is where the rest of the classes should be

Magplar /Stamplar: Overhaul of the useless passives and mediocre ults
Stamsorc: Class spammable
Magdk: Snare removal attached to wings
Magwarden: rebalance with the overhaul of stamwarden
Magsorc: Some changes to make them worse zerg surfers but better killing potential

Stamdk: Passives needs to be rebalanced, stamina spammable and like magdk snare removal+ immunity via wings

Vermintide

Ehh, these lists are dumb. There are always situations where one build can out-cheese another, and counter another, and so on.

Like, people always say stamsorcs are weak right now. But for the life of me I have no idea how to counter one of them charging around with that *** hurricane up, CC immunity, slapping bleeds all over me. Like literally what do I do apart from run away.

Meanwhile everyone seems to think stamblade are top tier but they are pretty easy kills IMO, all you need is a detect pot and they are screwed.

All of them have a rock paper and scissor.

NoFlash

My only con would be that for dps, magplar is dead last. Otherwise their only pvp role is healing/support which they are the best at.

Make my magplar great again!

Maulkin

It's kind of a pointless discussion unless you set the framework for it. No-CP BGs is an entirely different world from CP-enabled AvA campaigns. Especially if you consider that AvA for some is running in a group of 20, where the weaknesses of the class is not exposed, but it's more about team composition and coordination. While others run solo or groups of 1-6 where anything with mobility is better than anything without.

DeadlyRecluse

Stamwarden is the only class that I think is overperforming a little bit in every possible context (except maybe duels, I don't follow the comp duel scene much).

Great solo survivability and burst, easy to coordinate AOE burst for small group play, great suite of support skills and complimentary burst for medium/large groups.

ak_pvp

Depends what for:

Duels:
MagDK
MagNB/StamNB, Magsorc
Stamden, stamplar
Magplar
Stamsorc, Magden
StamDK

Openworld solo:
StamNB
Stamden
MagNB, Magden
Stamplar Stamsorc, Magsorc
StamDK, MagDK, Magplar

Openworld small group: (Full groups are basically just magsorcs, magplars, magNBs)
Magplar
Magden
Magsorc, Stamden, MagNB
Stamden, StamNB, MagDK
Stamsorc, stamDK

BGs:
Earthgore
Rest

BGs depend really, every class is viable. Nbs do it best, healbots are also quite a pain

CatchMeTrolling

These lists will make you think you’re playing a different game. I feel the class that really needs help is mag warden because offense wise you’re better off picking a sorc or magnb.