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Zaan Examples
Waffennacht
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I went through several different builds in the video, pretty much seeing what I like best.
I think you get a good view of how Zaan works in PvP.
https://youtu.be/4OIS5TPVDLU
BTW the preferred build has been:
x5 elf bane (jewelry, front bar ice staff)
x2 Zaan
x5 Transmutation resto back bar
Hrm...
I'll post my opinion:
When I first saw Zaan I thought an up close melee ish (tanky) build would be best. Let ya keep up close and deal just enough damage to kill with Zaan.
I did not like how this played out, it allowed a lot of players of counter Zaan or recover afterwards (in fact you can see it in some of the clips)
I much preferred a more offensive build that just used Zaan as constant pressure, I like the idea of a sorcerer because of Wrath, when Zaan gets opponents down, wrath finishes them. It's also nice to have Curse proc during Zaan (and frag)
Obviously NBs and DKs can really utilize Zaan with their natural high damage and built in Roots.
I elected to use frost staff for reach over encase. I found it much easier to use and damage is always welcome (I suppose those with Master staffs could have a lot of fun!)
The very high mobility of sorc makes keeping Zaan in range easy. And even if they break Zaan that doesn't mean you can't just wait for the next.
Detect pots are your best friend
There's also the huge advantage of procin Zaan when you're on the backbar, you're dealing massive damage and can easily barswap into offense.
What other set kills when you're hard CC'ed?
The biggest counter is using Zaan, because you can't tell it's not your Zaan you end up eating quite a few ticks before you realize wtf is going on
Edited by Waffennacht on March 5, 2018 10:39PM I think you get a good view of how Zaan works in PvP.
https://youtu.be/4OIS5TPVDLUBTW the preferred build has been:
x5 elf bane (jewelry, front bar ice staff)
x2 Zaan
x5 Transmutation resto back bar
Hrm...
I'll post my opinion:
When I first saw Zaan I thought an up close melee ish (tanky) build would be best. Let ya keep up close and deal just enough damage to kill with Zaan.
I did not like how this played out, it allowed a lot of players of counter Zaan or recover afterwards (in fact you can see it in some of the clips)
I much preferred a more offensive build that just used Zaan as constant pressure, I like the idea of a sorcerer because of Wrath, when Zaan gets opponents down, wrath finishes them. It's also nice to have Curse proc during Zaan (and frag)
Obviously NBs and DKs can really utilize Zaan with their natural high damage and built in Roots.
I elected to use frost staff for reach over encase. I found it much easier to use and damage is always welcome (I suppose those with Master staffs could have a lot of fun!)
The very high mobility of sorc makes keeping Zaan in range easy. And even if they break Zaan that doesn't mean you can't just wait for the next.
Detect pots are your best friend
There's also the huge advantage of procin Zaan when you're on the backbar, you're dealing massive damage and can easily barswap into offense.
What other set kills when you're hard CC'ed?
The biggest counter is using Zaan, because you can't tell it's not your Zaan you end up eating quite a few ticks before you realize wtf is going on
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Ashamray✭✭✭✭✭Zaan is kinda doing all your killing damage for you lolBoadrig, EU PC
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Zaan is kinda doing all your killing damage for you lol
Lol absolutely, that's the whole idea! I do have enough offense to make wrath etc get em.
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✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »
I like it better on Sorc based on those videos. Even if you don't use a spam-able, zaan becomes your spam-able pressure lol.
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MrDenimChicken✭✭✭✭✭I saw multiple dmg ticks for 4k, 5k damage, even a few 6k's....
Why did they put this in the game. I'm sorry but this is just lame.
I'm wondering how I'll be able to counter this new cancer with my magNB. I can't dodge roll spam away. I'll probably have to shadow image and than port away once the zaan procs. Stealth doesn't break the proc, does it?7 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MrDenimChicken wrote: »I saw multiple dmg ticks for 4k, 5k damage, even a few 6k's....
Why did they put this in the game. I'm sorry but this is just lame.
I'm wondering how I'll be able to counter this new cancer with my magNB. I can't dodge roll spam away. I'll probably have to shadow image and than port away once the zaan procs. Stealth doesn't break the proc, does it?
I hear purge and strealth break it
But still, a mistake and bam you're dead due to a 2 pieces sets
Time will well but I feel it is OPEdited by Morgul667 on March 6, 2018 2:40AM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭.MrDenimChicken wrote: »I saw multiple dmg ticks for 4k, 5k damage, even a few 6k's....
Why did they put this in the game. I'm sorry but this is just lame.
I'm wondering how I'll be able to counter this new cancer with my magNB. I can't dodge roll spam away. I'll probably have to shadow image and than port away once the zaan procs. Stealth doesn't break the proc, does it?
Stealth actually does, just gotta watch out for detect pots.
And you can Purge it.
I don't believe you can block it, (dunno,) cannot dodge it, I think it goes through Loss (I don't remember it proccing and letting my opponent try though)
I think the most punishing aspect is the fact it forces your opponent to disengage, and when they're in range it's usually to be on the offensive.Nobody's even trying to avoid Zaan in the video. Theyre either too focused on offense or they dont even know what Zaan's animation looks like
The first few ticks are very deceptive, it's about 3 and 4 that hurt, it luls opponents into a false sense of security (pun intended)
A few people are unaware of its existence yet.Waffennacht wrote: »
I like it better on Sorc based on those videos. Even if you don't use a spam-able, zaan becomes your spam-able pressure lol.
I actually really like it on sorc, really bridges that gap, and proccing on the defense is a great way to move I to offense. Wrath + Curse + Zaan = gtf away from me lol
Oh and ice staff just compliments it well.
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Anethum✭✭✭✭Most problem with zaan when it damage your but system doesn't show the animation.
I had this many times and it's pretty disquisting bug.
Also, it's too strong in non-cp. It need be reworked to be usefull but not so op as now. It literally do all your job tfor burst.
Just wait until it start, then Downbreaker to stun, congratulations, we have a winner.
Good idea with distance, but absolutly crap in reality because of visibility bug and bug with still damaging threw the walls sometimes or another things or at distance more than 10 meters.Edited by Anethum on March 6, 2018 3:01AM@Anethum from .ua3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Now that I'm ready to hit the PvE farm again, I'm the pro move is to sub Elf Bane for Caluurion
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✭MrDenimChicken wrote: »
Why did they put this in the game. I'm sorry but this is just lame.
To sell copies - as simple as that.2 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I see a lot of 1v1's and a lot of potato mashing.
Hey man I didn't select my opponents that's just who's out there
It's not a "look how great I am!" Video, I think it's a very accurate potrayal of what performance you can expect with the set.
Like... Example, how often do you face the #1 Uber dude in BGs?
You know my opinion buddy, plus, lots O starch is need
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✭✭✭✭✭A single zaan when you're being chased by a group ends the fight.
It's a stupid set.
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✭✭✭✭✭Ok my full on cheese idea:
x3 will power
x1 asylum staff ice staff
x5 Caluurion
x2 Zaan
Stack mostly into regen or you know enough
Pulse, curse wrath, reach maybe SA
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✭✭✭Yeah, the combat devs need a slap on their wrists for this set. Even if it wasn't OP, it's simply too much payoff for too little effort, it's bad design.
Molag Kena was the perfect "proc" set. No RNG BS, and with a cost to match its power. Instead of designing stupid lottery sets, they should have balanced Kena better.5 -
Stahlor✭✭✭✭✭About zaan, but decent pvp teams use negate - so you'll end up with negate and zaan on you quite often --> rip.0
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Ashamray✭✭✭✭✭About zaan, but decent pvp teams use negate - so you'll end up with negate and zaan on you quite often --> rip.
"decent" or cancer? ;DBoadrig, EU PC
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✭✭✭✭@Waffennacht any reason you’re not using shooting star in conjunction with zaan? Then your opponent is faced with a poison pill, if they run from zaan they can’t block the ult and if they block the ult they get nuked by zaan3 -
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✭✭✭✭So many people take zero damage from all of your burst until zaan procs. Is it that you have no damage in your build or is mitigation in this game just THAT bad?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@Waffennacht any reason you’re not using shooting star in conjunction with zaan? Then your opponent is faced with a poison pill, if they run from zaan they can’t block the ult and if they block the ult they get nuked by zaan
Why shooting star? Why not soul assault?
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✭✭✭✭@Waffennacht any reason you’re not using shooting star in conjunction with zaan? Then your opponent is faced with a poison pill, if they run from zaan they can’t block the ult and if they block the ult they get nuked by zaan
Why shooting star? Why not soul assault?
In general soul assault is less effective against good players, leaves you in a casting snare, and wont give as much concurrent damage as shooting star because you’re unable to use abilities during its channel.Edited by Lexxypwns on March 6, 2018 4:42PM1
