Suspensions for Update 17 XP Exploit

Waffennacht

Man you guys acted fast on this

WHERE ARE THE MYSTERY BOXES?!?!

Asgari

Dragonnord wrote: »

Asgari wrote: »

So what happens to the few who went down there to kill players and got xp from others in their faction? Are they being punished for 2 weeks as well

I think the matter is clear. If you were there enough time as to CLEARLY see you were earning unusual and excesive amounts of XP... and you remained there, I think it doesn't matter if that XP came from your blade or the killings of your group.
 

What if you were there’s for 15 minutes? It was 1 million a mob? Doesn’t take long and if you are killing you won’t see it right away.

Turelus

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Thanks for the info Gina.

Seems like a strong enough punishment and glad to see the gains removed. Are you able to say if accounts with suspension are also given flags so any repeat offenders will eventually run out of strikes?

Yes, and it's very possible that some of these accounts already have strikes and will not be reinstated.

Awesome, thanks Gina.

DieAlteHexe

TheZirex wrote: »

That took some time. Glad it finally happened though.

A week?

I'm glad they took their time to be careful in the application of the BanHammer.

Excellent, really happy to see that this sort of thing will be addressed. Well done!

DieAlteHexe

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

Ehh, idk about this one. Had it been 5m gold instead of xp, absolutely. But leveling characters affects no one but those doing so. In my opinion, this was a "ahh damn, fix the bug and move on" case. Sometimes things like this happen and when no achievements or collectibles/consumables are involved, I think it's best to just fix it and not let it happen again. It's nice to see Zos taking action, but I disagree with something that does not affect other players being a bannable offense.

That being said, if so many people are willing to exploit experience, maybe Zos should take a look at adding a character level token to the crown store.

It's pretty simple. There are rules we agree to. If we break those rules, we pay the price. They took a shot and got caught. No sympathy for 'em.

Price paid.

Jhalin

Overkill, since exactly zero players were being harmed by the bug.

Well, given their track record, that's probably the only reason it got dealt with at all.

It's only a priority when it's beneficial to players.

Nevermind the buggy AA pull where the mobs will reset over and over and over again. Or the disappearing Void textures in the Mage fight. Or the perma-death bug in HRC if someone dies while the group is split. Or the invisible group members bug. Or the invulnerable boss in WGT when you kill things too quickly.

But nah, ZOS lets those exist for years. A helpful bug, though? Better fix that immediately.

zaria

SGT_Wolfe101st wrote: »

276, that number is smaller than I would have suspected. I guess those 276 must have went off the rails, like adding hundreds of CP. At then end of the day, the ban is minimal, couple weeks in the penalty box and any gains removed, pretty tame at the end of the day. Thanks for the update.

Players who has not been in IC for an year but now stayed hours.
Players who also had xp potion or scroll active

Ixtyr

lordrichter wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

WTF, there's two of these guys?

Cpt_Teemo

Ixtyr wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

WTF, there's two of these guys?

Probably alt account

Sigtric

Was hoping for burning at the stake but temp bans work too.

krachall

LMar wrote: »

"Never play exploit on patch day" has never been truer!

Fixed that for ya.

pattyLtd

I’m sorry but your (@zos) attitude stinks. Be ashamed of yourself.
How the hell is it even possible to not notice this when you are testing your software before going live?

But you sure suspend players for playing your crappy update riddled with bugs.

Juhasow

At this point Asylum exploit perma bans are looking little silly.

DjMuscleboy02

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

Ehh, idk about this one. Had it been 5m gold instead of xp, absolutely. But leveling characters affects no one but those doing so. In my opinion, this was a "ahh damn, fix the bug and move on" case. Sometimes things like this happen and when no achievements or collectibles/consumables are involved, I think it's best to just fix it and not let it happen again. It's nice to see Zos taking action, but I disagree with something that does not affect other players being a bannable offense.

That being said, if so many people are willing to exploit experience, maybe Zos should take a look at adding a character level token to the crown store.

It's pretty simple. There are rules we agree to. If we break those rules, we pay the price. They took a shot and got caught. No sympathy for 'em.

Price paid.

It's not that simple. This is a video game where devs can easily make simple mistakes, it's not black and white. I guess, in the end, it's Zos' own discretion but there should be cases in which zos needs to realize that bans aren't needed. Remove the xp, strike the account and move on. This exploit affected no one, devalued no achievements or collectables, did not leak into the market and therefore renders nothing further than what would essentially be an account rollback.

DieAlteHexe

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

Ehh, idk about this one. Had it been 5m gold instead of xp, absolutely. But leveling characters affects no one but those doing so. In my opinion, this was a "ahh damn, fix the bug and move on" case. Sometimes things like this happen and when no achievements or collectibles/consumables are involved, I think it's best to just fix it and not let it happen again. It's nice to see Zos taking action, but I disagree with something that does not affect other players being a bannable offense.

That being said, if so many people are willing to exploit experience, maybe Zos should take a look at adding a character level token to the crown store.

It's pretty simple. There are rules we agree to. If we break those rules, we pay the price. They took a shot and got caught. No sympathy for 'em.

Price paid.

It's not that simple. This is a video game where devs can easily make simple mistakes, it's not black and white. I guess, in the end, it's Zos' own discretion but there should be cases in which zos needs to realize that bans aren't needed. Remove the xp, strike the account and move on. This exploit affected no one, devalued no achievements or collectables, did not leak into the market and therefore renders nothing further than what would essentially be an account rollback.

Yes. Yes it is. To stumble across a bug, sure. But the difference here was that once they figured out that it was a bug, it went from "bug" to "exploit" due to their continuing to take advantage of the bug. And that is against the game's rules.

Sorry, they cheated, knowingly and now they pay the price. This they agreed to, as we all have.

They played, now they paid.

Vezuls

A 2 week ban..... ZoS you all straight up went overboard. Sure, if people went from 200-600 CP I can understand that a 2 week ban would be in order, but some got banned for barely even doing anything. I'm not saying let it go unpunished, but 2 weeks... Come on now. 3 day bans would be sufficient for most people.

Let's not forget this ZOS: you are the problem. Yes, people exploited, but you couldn't test something so simple to prevent it from happening? Also, to most players, what is experience even? It doesn't hurt anyone that someone has more experience than you. This punishment does not fit the crime in regards to most players... 3 day bans sure, but 2 weeks is entirely too much and is simply ZoS trying to make an example of people to not exploit when they surely mess up. That says more about your confidence in your team than anyone else.

Here's an example: Listen to feedback and test the game.

And no, I did not use this exploit at all, I told my entire guild to not abuse it, and I even argued with exploiters saying they 100% deserve to be banned. However 2 weeks is far too long in most cases. Reduce these to 3 days and stop trying to show off your golden hammer
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_Finn

Peekachu99

That’s actually quite kind of them. WoW eradicates accounts for this kind of behaviour. Any exploiters should consider themselves VERY lucky.

Ackwalan

Seems to be fair. ZOS took a reasonable amount of time to review the data, reach a conclusion and act on it.

VaranisArano

With the amount of complaining we see over a simple couple hours of unexpected maintenance, I shouldn't be surprised that there are people complaining that 276 people are looking at a 2 week ban for exploiting a bug.

And yet I am. This is a good middle ground that shows ZOS is taking the matter seriously and yet doesn't permanently punish anyone for making a stupid choice that they should have known better. And yeah, they should have known better, having agreed to the TOS and Code of Conduct when they play the game.

Nifty2g

Vezuls wrote: »

A 2 week ban..... ZoS you all straight up went overboard. Sure, if people went from 200-600 CP I can understand that a 2 week ban would be in order, but some got banned for barely even doing anything. I'm not saying let it go unpunished, but 2 weeks... Come on now. 3 day bans would be sufficient for most people.

Let's not forget this ZOS: you are the problem. Yes, people exploited, but you couldn't test something so simple to prevent it from happening? Also, to most players, what is experience even? It doesn't hurt anyone that someone has more experience than you. This punishment does not fit the crime in regards to most players... 3 day bans sure, but 2 weeks is entirely too much and is simply ZoS trying to make an example of people to not exploit when they surely mess up. That says more about your confidence in your team than anyone else.

Here's an example: Listen to feedback and test the game.

And no, I did not use this exploit at all, I told my entire guild to not abuse it, and I even argued with exploiters saying they 100% deserve to be banned. However 2 weeks is far too long in most cases. Reduce these to 3 days and stop trying to show off your golden hammer
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_Finn

2 weeks is not a long time
and players knew exactly what they were doing when they killed a mob that gave 500k xp, if they decided to stay longer they kinda had this coming, just be glad its 2 weeks and not a perma ban

Every game has bugs, its on the players to exploit bugs. Stuff randomly breaks, happens more so with ZOS but its not an excuse honestly

To be fair this is exactly what they should have done when people exploited Asylum, a 2 week ban and remove everything the account got, no one should lose their accounts over random bugs like this, people should lose their accounts for exploiting millions of gold and then selling it for real life money.

pattyLtd

Kind of them?

We are their customers and they have a horrible track record on this with their DLC’s.
ESO is a big game with aneven bigger bug list and its very close to being unplayable because of it.

They have no right to wag their little fingers at any of us and even casually add in a follow üp that they might not get reinstated.

PS: im on ps4 so i didnt commit the horrible offense of killing mobs and two weeks is not the end of the world bit have they acknowledged any of the other 1000 bugs they added to the game ?

I would quit if i worked for a company like this.
Have a nice day

Edit: went to far lol

Elsonso

Ixtyr wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

WTF, there's two of these guys?

Not the same people. I was here first!

Vezuls

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

A 2 week ban..... ZoS you all straight up went overboard. Sure, if people went from 200-600 CP I can understand that a 2 week ban would be in order, but some got banned for barely even doing anything. I'm not saying let it go unpunished, but 2 weeks... Come on now. 3 day bans would be sufficient for most people.

Let's not forget this ZOS: you are the problem. Yes, people exploited, but you couldn't test something so simple to prevent it from happening? Also, to most players, what is experience even? It doesn't hurt anyone that someone has more experience than you. This punishment does not fit the crime in regards to most players... 3 day bans sure, but 2 weeks is entirely too much and is simply ZoS trying to make an example of people to not exploit when they surely mess up. That says more about your confidence in your team than anyone else.

Here's an example: Listen to feedback and test the game.

And no, I did not use this exploit at all, I told my entire guild to not abuse it, and I even argued with exploiters saying they 100% deserve to be banned. However 2 weeks is far too long in most cases. Reduce these to 3 days and stop trying to show off your golden hammer
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_Finn

2 weeks is not a long time
and players knew exactly what they were doing when they killed a mob that gave 500k xp, if they decided to stay longer they kinda had this coming, just be glad its 2 weeks and not a perma ban

Every game has bugs, its on the players to exploit bugs. Stuff randomly breaks, happens more so with ZOS but its not an excuse honestly

To be fair this is exactly what they should have done when people exploited Asylum, a 2 week ban and remove everything the account got, no one should lose their accounts over random bugs like this, people should lose their accounts for exploiting millions of gold and then selling it for real life money.

I agree. So if a 2 week ban should have been the answer for the VAS exploit, that means this exploit which is only exp, should have been 3-7 days with removal of all exp gained. I understand it is up to players to exploit, but IMO, 2 weeks for a harmless bug like this is too much. I know people who got 30 CP who got hit. 30 CP deserves 2 weeks? IDK.

100+ CP definitely deserves 2+ weeks, but not 30 CO imo.

DjMuscleboy02

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

Ehh, idk about this one. Had it been 5m gold instead of xp, absolutely. But leveling characters affects no one but those doing so. In my opinion, this was a "ahh damn, fix the bug and move on" case. Sometimes things like this happen and when no achievements or collectibles/consumables are involved, I think it's best to just fix it and not let it happen again. It's nice to see Zos taking action, but I disagree with something that does not affect other players being a bannable offense.

That being said, if so many people are willing to exploit experience, maybe Zos should take a look at adding a character level token to the crown store.

It's pretty simple. There are rules we agree to. If we break those rules, we pay the price. They took a shot and got caught. No sympathy for 'em.

Price paid.

It's not that simple. This is a video game where devs can easily make simple mistakes, it's not black and white. I guess, in the end, it's Zos' own discretion but there should be cases in which zos needs to realize that bans aren't needed. Remove the xp, strike the account and move on. This exploit affected no one, devalued no achievements or collectables, did not leak into the market and therefore renders nothing further than what would essentially be an account rollback.

Yes. Yes it is. To stumble across a bug, sure. But the difference here was that once they figured out that it was a bug, it went from "bug" to "exploit" due to their continuing to take advantage of the bug. And that is against the game's rules.

Sorry, they cheated, knowingly and now they pay the price. This they agreed to, as we all have.

They played, now they paid.

By this logic, jail time should be the same for all crimes of theft. Yet some are given community service and sent on their way. Sometimes you give back what you've taken and go on with things.

I guess we can agree to disagree, but I really think a two week minimum ban here was Overkill.

Cpt_Teemo

Vezuls wrote: »

A 2 week ban..... ZoS you all straight up went overboard. Sure, if people went from 200-600 CP I can understand that a 2 week ban would be in order, but some got banned for barely even doing anything. I'm not saying let it go unpunished, but 2 weeks... Come on now. 3 day bans would be sufficient for most people.

Let's not forget this ZOS: you are the problem. Yes, people exploited, but you couldn't test something so simple to prevent it from happening? Also, to most players, what is experience even? It doesn't hurt anyone that someone has more experience than you. This punishment does not fit the crime in regards to most players... 3 day bans sure, but 2 weeks is entirely too much and is simply ZoS trying to make an example of people to not exploit when they surely mess up. That says more about your confidence in your team than anyone else.

Here's an example: Listen to feedback and test the game.

And no, I did not use this exploit at all, I told my entire guild to not abuse it, and I even argued with exploiters saying they 100% deserve to be banned. However 2 weeks is far too long in most cases. Reduce these to 3 days and stop trying to show off your golden hammer
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_Finn

3 days suspension with account wipe option when the time is up

Cpt_Teemo

Vezuls wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

A 2 week ban..... ZoS you all straight up went overboard. Sure, if people went from 200-600 CP I can understand that a 2 week ban would be in order, but some got banned for barely even doing anything. I'm not saying let it go unpunished, but 2 weeks... Come on now. 3 day bans would be sufficient for most people.

Let's not forget this ZOS: you are the problem. Yes, people exploited, but you couldn't test something so simple to prevent it from happening? Also, to most players, what is experience even? It doesn't hurt anyone that someone has more experience than you. This punishment does not fit the crime in regards to most players... 3 day bans sure, but 2 weeks is entirely too much and is simply ZoS trying to make an example of people to not exploit when they surely mess up. That says more about your confidence in your team than anyone else.

Here's an example: Listen to feedback and test the game.

And no, I did not use this exploit at all, I told my entire guild to not abuse it, and I even argued with exploiters saying they 100% deserve to be banned. However 2 weeks is far too long in most cases. Reduce these to 3 days and stop trying to show off your golden hammer
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_Finn

2 weeks is not a long time
and players knew exactly what they were doing when they killed a mob that gave 500k xp, if they decided to stay longer they kinda had this coming, just be glad its 2 weeks and not a perma ban

Every game has bugs, its on the players to exploit bugs. Stuff randomly breaks, happens more so with ZOS but its not an excuse honestly

To be fair this is exactly what they should have done when people exploited Asylum, a 2 week ban and remove everything the account got, no one should lose their accounts over random bugs like this, people should lose their accounts for exploiting millions of gold and then selling it for real life money.

I agree. So if a 2 week ban should have been the answer for the VAS exploit, that means this exploit which is only exp, should have been 3-7 days with removal of all exp gained. I understand it is up to players to exploit, but IMO, 2 weeks for a harmless bug like this is too much. I know people who got 30 CP who got hit. 30 CP deserves 2 weeks? IDK.

100+ CP definitely deserves 2+ weeks, but not 30 CO imo.

Best to stay away completely from said bugged areas, if you noticed your Xp shooting up 2m after one kill then you know somethings wrong after the first kill

Vezuls

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

A 2 week ban..... ZoS you all straight up went overboard. Sure, if people went from 200-600 CP I can understand that a 2 week ban would be in order, but some got banned for barely even doing anything. I'm not saying let it go unpunished, but 2 weeks... Come on now. 3 day bans would be sufficient for most people.

Let's not forget this ZOS: you are the problem. Yes, people exploited, but you couldn't test something so simple to prevent it from happening? Also, to most players, what is experience even? It doesn't hurt anyone that someone has more experience than you. This punishment does not fit the crime in regards to most players... 3 day bans sure, but 2 weeks is entirely too much and is simply ZoS trying to make an example of people to not exploit when they surely mess up. That says more about your confidence in your team than anyone else.

Here's an example: Listen to feedback and test the game.

And no, I did not use this exploit at all, I told my entire guild to not abuse it, and I even argued with exploiters saying they 100% deserve to be banned. However 2 weeks is far too long in most cases. Reduce these to 3 days and stop trying to show off your golden hammer
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_Finn

2 weeks is not a long time
and players knew exactly what they were doing when they killed a mob that gave 500k xp, if they decided to stay longer they kinda had this coming, just be glad its 2 weeks and not a perma ban

Every game has bugs, its on the players to exploit bugs. Stuff randomly breaks, happens more so with ZOS but its not an excuse honestly

To be fair this is exactly what they should have done when people exploited Asylum, a 2 week ban and remove everything the account got, no one should lose their accounts over random bugs like this, people should lose their accounts for exploiting millions of gold and then selling it for real life money.

I agree. So if a 2 week ban should have been the answer for the VAS exploit, that means this exploit which is only exp, should have been 3-7 days with removal of all exp gained. I understand it is up to players to exploit, but IMO, 2 weeks for a harmless bug like this is too much. I know people who got 30 CP who got hit. 30 CP deserves 2 weeks? IDK.

100+ CP definitely deserves 2+ weeks, but not 30 CO imo.

Best to stay away completely from said bugged areas, if you noticed your Xp shooting up 2m after one kill then you know somethings wrong after the first kill

Yup. I agree. People should have left the area knowing something was up. This was an exploit. But like @DjMuscleboy02 said, in real life there are varying punishments for crimes on different scales. Everyone should not have been blanketed a 2 week ban. Some should have gotten less, some more.

DieAlteHexe

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

Ehh, idk about this one. Had it been 5m gold instead of xp, absolutely. But leveling characters affects no one but those doing so. In my opinion, this was a "ahh damn, fix the bug and move on" case. Sometimes things like this happen and when no achievements or collectibles/consumables are involved, I think it's best to just fix it and not let it happen again. It's nice to see Zos taking action, but I disagree with something that does not affect other players being a bannable offense.

That being said, if so many people are willing to exploit experience, maybe Zos should take a look at adding a character level token to the crown store.

It's pretty simple. There are rules we agree to. If we break those rules, we pay the price. They took a shot and got caught. No sympathy for 'em.

Price paid.

It's not that simple. This is a video game where devs can easily make simple mistakes, it's not black and white. I guess, in the end, it's Zos' own discretion but there should be cases in which zos needs to realize that bans aren't needed. Remove the xp, strike the account and move on. This exploit affected no one, devalued no achievements or collectables, did not leak into the market and therefore renders nothing further than what would essentially be an account rollback.

Yes. Yes it is. To stumble across a bug, sure. But the difference here was that once they figured out that it was a bug, it went from "bug" to "exploit" due to their continuing to take advantage of the bug. And that is against the game's rules.

Sorry, they cheated, knowingly and now they pay the price. This they agreed to, as we all have.

They played, now they paid.

By this logic, jail time should be the same for all crimes of theft. Yet some are given community service and sent on their way. Sometimes you give back what you've taken and go on with things.

I guess we can agree to disagree, but I really think a two week minimum ban here was Overkill.

They had the metrics. They can tell who did what, probably whether or not they encouraged others to join in etc. This is hardly equivalent to "jail time", it's a temporary ban. They needed a wake-up call.

Yup, agree to disagree for sure. I think cheaters are, well, I don't want to get sanctioned. Let's just say they're weak. Any "win" or "gain", simply isn't. It was gotten by cheating.

goldenarcher1

pattyLtd wrote: »

I’m sorry but your (@zos) attitude stinks. Be ashamed of yourself.
How the hell is it even possible to not notice this when you are testing your software before going live?

But you sure suspend players for playing your crappy update riddled with bugs.

Some bugs will only reveal themselves on the live server.

Chicharron

I was in Craglorn then I get kicked out, check my email and 15 Days Vacations.

I was like WTF, I just step once in Cyrodill for 15 minutes like 2 months ago and never again, then ask to my nephew (he lives with me) and he says: oh yes the other day in Imperial City I earn like 30 CP points in 10 minutes was awesome...

Im ok with the punishment, my account my responsibility and lesson learned, no more ESO for my nephew ever, at least not with my money.