Should forum access require ESO+?

MjolnirVilkas

No.

There are other ways to support the game besides ESO+ believe it or not.

Scraelos

Oh, and pls make tech support only available with ESO+.

Morgul667

Why would an eso + pkayer voice matter more?
Unless this is a troll

Elsonso

Knowledge wrote: »

I think ESO+ should include the ability to post on the forums. This not only further incentivizes being an ESO Plus member but it will clean up the forums a great deal. There's quite a bit of players with only a copy of the game that have no desire to further support Zenimax and I feel like forum use should be a privilege.

No. ESO Plus should never be a caste system.


Also... No goats! (Edit: I know, I know... "that's what she said." Sigh.)

thewaywardone

Nope.

Effectively that says, "Your voice is worth nothing unless you pay us first."

That is NOT a precedent you want set anywhere in your life, trust me.

TheCyberDruid

Aesthier wrote: »

You would be surprised how many ESO+ members troll the forums just like you just did.

DieAlteHexe

Scraelos wrote: »

Oh, and pls make tech support only available with ESO+.

Not a good idea. Those folk can and do become subscribers.

Aebaradath

This has to be the worst idea I've heard in my entire life.

AdamSC

I think you could make an ESO+ only discussion group on the forum. It would provide a space for likeminded to discuss.

Unfortunately what you would lose would be the interaction between experienced and inexperienced players.

I am not ESO+ and appreciate access to the forums. I think it is the best way to make contacts in game with people who play the way you do. If you wall it off - you might miss out on serious players who just aren't into the game yet.

Many have suggested ESO+ to me - so forum is a great recruitment tool. Assuming I continue to like the game, I will probably get ESO plus eventually. That benefits everyone who wants to see the game continue to expand.

Adam

sdtlc

Should we be able to do polls? .... Wait a minute ...

and No

Twenty0zTsunami

Turelus wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

I've played a different game that had forums then a special section of the forum that was just for premium members. It worked well having it along with the other boards. I'd support that, as long as anyone could post on the other boards. But no to just premium exclusive forums.

Yup, have seen this model in several places.

I don't really care either way.

Kind of seems weird to me now that there isn't an ESO+ subforum already.

Yes to a subforum. Big fat no to OPs suggested paywall forum.

Subforums like this just create divisions within the community though.

We've already seen threads where the ESO+ vs B2P people clash, do we really need a subforum which just helps stroke the egos of some people and gives them superiority complex issues?

No we don't, but that doesn't negate their point. A subscriber forum would be great. People who pay the sub are in general more invested in the overall state of the game. And frankly are less likely to act foolishly in a forum environment. Just look at your average free to play game. They're almost all primarily toxic environments. When one gets something without paying, they generally are less concerned about how they treat it. Whereas people who pay for a subscription are concerned about their behavior because punishment could entail not only having to buy the game and re-sub again, but starting over and losing all characters and achievements.

Honestly I dont think it's unreasonable that the opinions and concerns of subscribers should carry more weight than non-subs, If for no other reason than they (subscribers and of course frequent crown store/crate purchasers) are the ones not only supporting the servers and game in it's current state, but the ones driving future content. Ultimately it's not about whether one subscribes or not, it's all about their intention. But as I said, more subscribers are going to be concerned with the over-all state of the game, than non-subs, who will just cry buff/nerf so their personal experience is enhanced.

RobZha

Knowledge wrote: »

I think ESO+ should include the ability to post on the forums. This not only further incentivizes being an ESO Plus member but it will clean up the forums a great deal.

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Pennylong

Knowledge wrote: »

Well, the ESO+ players can talk peacefully in their forum and if people want to complain or bash the publisher all day who have no real desire to stay with this title long term can do so on the regular forums. That way the ESO+ players can have meaningful and productive discussion without being intermingled with trolls, hateful remarks, or people seeking to derail productivity because they just hate the game.

What on earth makes you think it is just non-ESO+ players bashing the game and the Devs? Are us subbers that far above trolling or vitriol that paying each month raises us up above the plebs? Where is the proof it's people not paying in any form that are posting the negative comments?

What about those spending money in the crown store each month but not subbing? Do they get to post after each purchase?
Perhaps they could charge per letter, spend 2000 crowns and you get 2000 characters. That way only the true supporters of the game could post here.

Do we have to sub for a specific time before being granted the privilege of posting in the hallowed forums to prevent low life players who have only paid for the base game subbing for a month just to gain access and report a bug or ask for help?

The proposal to make the forums ESO+ access only wouldn't solve any of the issues you have stated at all, anyone can sub and all it would achieve is alienating players and dividing a community.

peacenote

Since this seems to be a poll without the poll part, I will reply just to say that I also don't agree with this idea.

I hear what the OP is saying, but I think it would be off-putting to new players and I also think a lot of people don't like (or can't afford) the subscription model and play by saving up for the DLCs. We need a place to all collaborate together.

Also, it is a nice idea that subscribers are paying just to support the game, are super-dedicated, and have the community in mind when they are doing so, but I don't know that this is always the case. In fact, my guess would be that, statistically, it is more the long-term subscribers who bring in the negativity, because they have been paying for the game for a long time and are more apt to object to an additional cost or when something changes with core functionality that they have gotten used to for quite some time. Which means this probably wouldn't address the problem you are trying to solve, anyway.

thewaywardone

Once you begin putting in areas everyone can't access, you start down that slope of "But they listen to THEM more!" And so forth.

The non-ESO+ people will wonder what's being said behind the wall they can't cross. They'll accuse ZOS of only responding to/dealing with the people on that forum and because they can't see what's being said/responding to, it'll get accusatory and ugly.

Soon you'll have people asking for an ESO+ server, with only ESO+ members.

It's the Star-Bellied Sneeches.

Did we not learn anything from Dr. Seuss?

I'm really NOT a fan of "haves" and "have nots" and segregated areas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBCUkdd57qc

Turelus

Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

I've played a different game that had forums then a special section of the forum that was just for premium members. It worked well having it along with the other boards. I'd support that, as long as anyone could post on the other boards. But no to just premium exclusive forums.

Yup, have seen this model in several places.

I don't really care either way.

Kind of seems weird to me now that there isn't an ESO+ subforum already.

Yes to a subforum. Big fat no to OPs suggested paywall forum.

Subforums like this just create divisions within the community though.

We've already seen threads where the ESO+ vs B2P people clash, do we really need a subforum which just helps stroke the egos of some people and gives them superiority complex issues?

No we don't, but that doesnt' negate their point. A subscriber forum would be great. People who pay the sub are in general more invested in the overall state of the game. And frankly their opinions and concerns should weigh more than those who don't. If for no other reason than they (and of course frequent crown store/crate purchasers) are the ones supporting not only the servers and game in it's current state, but the ones driving future content.

That statement isn't fair though. Why should only one model be considered more investment. What if someone is B2P and spends £200 a month of crown crates, but doesn't pay the ESO+ sub because they're not a crafter and don't collect sets.

What are we going to talk about in an ESO+ only forums which shouldn't be open for non ESO+ members to engage in? If we start talking about ESO+ perks and such wouldn't it be wise to have B2P players in the conversation so they can say why they're not paying it.

Also the idea that anyone who pays opinion is worth more than someone who doesn't is again an unfair one. No ones opinion is worth more than another's if they're giving good feedback.
A week old new player who's just picked up the game, has no ESO+ is going to give valuable insight and information on what ZOS need to do to keep that player within the game. If they have a complaint about something being unenjoyable for new players ZOS should hear that.

Twenty0zTsunami

thewaywardone wrote: »

Once you begin putting in areas everyone can't access, you start down that slope of "But they listen to THEM more!" And so forth.

The non-ESO+ people will wonder what's being said behind the wall they can't cross. They'll accuse ZOS of only responding to/dealing with the people on that forum and because they can't see what's being said/responding to, it'll get accusatory and ugly.

Soon you'll have people asking for an ESO+ server, with only ESO+ members.

It's the Star-Bellied Sneeches.

Did we not learn anything from Dr. Seuss?

I'm really NOT a fan of "haves" and "have nots" and segregated areas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBCUkdd57qc

why shouldn't people actively investing in the future and current well being of the game be listened to a little more closely?

Honestly I wouldn't mind a + only server. Less toxic idiots I'd wager.

thewaywardone

Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »

why shouldn't people actively investing in the future and current well being of the game be listened to a little more closely?

Honestly I wouldn't mind a + only server. Less toxic idiots I'd wager.

Because not having money does not mean your opinions are not valid. Just because you can afford to pay doesn't mean your voice is worth more. Ever. In any scenario. The people with the money SHOULD NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO SET THE RULES FOR EVERYONE ELSE.

Shardan4968

Mureel wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

See what you are trying to achieve @Knowledge but this place is way to liberal for that. I can see what you are saying, multiple people that seeming hate the game and have 'quit' yet still come here daily and comment / steer things.

But asking questions is too valuable to new players for this to be an asset.

However an ESO+ members area might give you what you are after. Active / dedicated players discussion.

You are right, too - I mean people go full on negative, 'QUIT' the game and brag about quitting and still try to neg out every thread going.

But you realise that most of non eso+ players who comment stuff here didn't actually quit the game and aren't just QQing? This is not place for eso+ members to feel more priveledged, this is place where everyone can say their opinion about the game as long as it's constructive no matter If they quit or not, but If it isn't constructive, then comments are being deleted, it's fair as it is. Zenimax want to hear various feedback, not just compliments from people who think that this game is worth subscription. If it's not, ZOS wants to hear why. If people quit, ZOS also wants to hear why. You can just make unofficial forum only for talking about good sides of this game. There's no point in making changes because of few bad apples. It's not like there are no toxic players among ESO+ members.

RobZha

I find it really divisive and also ignorant to be honest. There's probably people who care way more about the game and spend way more time on it than the OP but can't afford to pay at the moment, but they're not even mentioned or considered. It really gets my back up to be honest and I can see that I'm not the only one feeling like that after seeing some of the other responses here.

Ilithyania

no plz, forums for everyone.

non-SUBs has also bought the game like SUBs

ArchMikem

Mureel wrote: »

I feel like that would definitely lessen the QQ - but the forums are really the only way to find/ask for info, so it's also a NO from me

I pay ESO+ and I'm still more than happy to QQ about something.

idk

Knowledge wrote: »

I think ESO+ should include the ability to post on the forums. This not only further incentivizes being an ESO Plus member but it will clean up the forums a great deal. There's quite a bit of players with only a copy of the game that have no desire to further support Zenimax and I feel like forum use should be a privilege.

I think it would be in poor form to silence those that choose to buy DLCs rather than sub, or even just bought the game. It would be heavy censorship of players of a great many players so purchased this product.

Zos is likely aware of this which is why they have not given it serious consideration.

AnviOfVai

I don't pay for ESO plus. I do like to comment and contribute on these forums. All players should be allowed to voice their opinions with the game whether they pay or not. Think about the new players...poor dudes/dudettes.

Shad0wfire99

Knowledge wrote: »

I think ESO+ should include the ability to post on the forums. This not only further incentivizes being an ESO Plus member but it will clean up the forums a great deal. There's quite a bit of players with only a copy of the game that have no desire to further support Zenimax and I feel like forum use should be a privilege.

Or, they could just make a fanboy only forum section.

Elsonso

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Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

I think ESO+ should include the ability to post on the forums. This not only further incentivizes being an ESO Plus member but it will clean up the forums a great deal. There's quite a bit of players with only a copy of the game that have no desire to further support Zenimax and I feel like forum use should be a privilege.

Or, they could just make a fanboy only forum section.

Forums don't work that way. No one would post there.

DieAlteHexe

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

I think ESO+ should include the ability to post on the forums. This not only further incentivizes being an ESO Plus member but it will clean up the forums a great deal. There's quite a bit of players with only a copy of the game that have no desire to further support Zenimax and I feel like forum use should be a privilege.

Or, they could just make a fanboy only forum section.

Or not.

Leave as is, moderate those who cannot seem to help themselves and carry on.

Turelus

What about a ten star only forum section?

DieAlteHexe

Turelus wrote: »

What about a ten star only forum section?

Fine but then I want a GeriatricGamers' forum.

Elsonso

Turelus wrote: »

What about a ten star only forum section?

Doesn't Psijic have their own forum section? I can't imagine that is terribly busy.