Should forum access require ESO+?
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TheCyberDruid✭✭✭✭✭I am being genuine and I think the forums get a lot of QQ spam and unnecessary posts from people not truly devoted to the game.
You mean from people that aren't blindly into everything ZOS does? What difference does it make if people pay a monthly perk fee? You might not realise it, but crowns were introduced to keep the game monetized as the subscription model wasn't working (well enough). So how about people spending money on the game via the crown store? Oh, there should be a monthly minimum? Or a 'post on the forum' token that you have to buy each month?
On the pile of not very clever suggestions this one takes the cake and runs a marathon with it.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭See what you are trying to achieve @Knowledge but this place is way to liberal for that. I can see what you are saying, multiple people that seeming hate the game and have 'quit' yet still come here daily and comment / steer things.
But asking questions is too valuable to new players for this to be an asset.
However an ESO+ members area might give you what you are after. Active / dedicated players discussion.
You are right, too - I mean people go full on negative, 'QUIT' the game and brag about quitting and still try to neg out every thread going.
Agreed, a subber subforum would be a nice getaway from the constant doomsayers and their quit/rage/game is dying/dead threads.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa1 -
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✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »I've played a different game that had forums then a special section of the forum that was just for premium members. It worked well having it along with the other boards. I'd support that, as long as anyone could post on the other boards. But no to just premium exclusive forums.
Yup, have seen this model in several places.
I don't really care either way.
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✭✭✭✭✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »I've played a different game that had forums then a special section of the forum that was just for premium members. It worked well having it along with the other boards. I'd support that, as long as anyone could post on the other boards. But no to just premium exclusive forums.
Yup, have seen this model in several places.
I don't really care either way.
Kind of seems weird to me now that there isn't an ESO+ subforum already.
Yes to a subforum. Big fat no to OPs suggested paywall forum.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa1 -
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✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »I've played a different game that had forums then a special section of the forum that was just for premium members. It worked well having it along with the other boards. I'd support that, as long as anyone could post on the other boards. But no to just premium exclusive forums.
Yup, have seen this model in several places.
I don't really care either way.
Kind of seems weird to me now that there isn't an ESO+ subforum already.
Yes to a subforum. Big fat no to OPs suggested paywall forum.
Okay, we're getting somewhere with this. I agree that this is an acceptable compromise and there should be an ESO+ member forum. The remainder of the forum should remain as-is. That is fair.0 -
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Subforums like this just create divisions within the community though.DieAlteHexe wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »I've played a different game that had forums then a special section of the forum that was just for premium members. It worked well having it along with the other boards. I'd support that, as long as anyone could post on the other boards. But no to just premium exclusive forums.
Yup, have seen this model in several places.
I don't really care either way.
Kind of seems weird to me now that there isn't an ESO+ subforum already.
Yes to a subforum. Big fat no to OPs suggested paywall forum.
We've already seen threads where the ESO+ vs B2P people clash, do we really need a subforum which just helps stroke the egos of some people and gives them superiority complex issues?
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Or... they could just actually change moderation and crack down on the people who literally add nothing to conversations and are here just to badmouth ZOS/ESO.DieAlteHexe wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »I've played a different game that had forums then a special section of the forum that was just for premium members. It worked well having it along with the other boards. I'd support that, as long as anyone could post on the other boards. But no to just premium exclusive forums.
Yup, have seen this model in several places.
I don't really care either way.
Kind of seems weird to me now that there isn't an ESO+ subforum already.
Yes to a subforum. Big fat no to OPs suggested paywall forum.
Okay, we're getting somewhere with this. I agree that this is an acceptable compromise and there should be an ESO+ member forum. The remainder of the forum should remain as-is. That is fair.
We're asking for special forums to divide us from people who could just be removed for their unconstructive posting.
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Subforums like this just create divisions within the community though.DieAlteHexe wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »I've played a different game that had forums then a special section of the forum that was just for premium members. It worked well having it along with the other boards. I'd support that, as long as anyone could post on the other boards. But no to just premium exclusive forums.
Yup, have seen this model in several places.
I don't really care either way.
Kind of seems weird to me now that there isn't an ESO+ subforum already.
Yes to a subforum. Big fat no to OPs suggested paywall forum.
We've already seen threads where the ESO+ vs B2P people clash, do we really need a subforum which just helps stroke the egos of some people and gives them superiority complex issues?
I don't think that the majority of subbers are like that. I know I'm not.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa1 -
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Subforums like this just create divisions within the community though.DieAlteHexe wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »I've played a different game that had forums then a special section of the forum that was just for premium members. It worked well having it along with the other boards. I'd support that, as long as anyone could post on the other boards. But no to just premium exclusive forums.
Yup, have seen this model in several places.
I don't really care either way.
Kind of seems weird to me now that there isn't an ESO+ subforum already.
Yes to a subforum. Big fat no to OPs suggested paywall forum.
We've already seen threads where the ESO+ vs B2P people clash, do we really need a subforum which just helps stroke the egos of some people and gives them superiority complex issues?
It is not about egos - it is about having a convo that is not wrought with QQ/Complaining/etc by people who have already quit, as outlined above. The fact that you brought egos into it says a lot more about some people than it does about others.
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Subforums like this just create divisions within the community though.DieAlteHexe wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »I've played a different game that had forums then a special section of the forum that was just for premium members. It worked well having it along with the other boards. I'd support that, as long as anyone could post on the other boards. But no to just premium exclusive forums.
Yup, have seen this model in several places.
I don't really care either way.
Kind of seems weird to me now that there isn't an ESO+ subforum already.
Yes to a subforum. Big fat no to OPs suggested paywall forum.
We've already seen threads where the ESO+ vs B2P people clash, do we really need a subforum which just helps stroke the egos of some people and gives them superiority complex issues?
Well, the ESO+ players can talk peacefully in their forum and if people want to complain or bash the publisher all day who have no real desire to stay with this title long term can do so on the regular forums. That way the ESO+ players can have meaningful and productive discussion without being intermingled with trolls, hateful remarks, or people seeking to derail productivity because they just hate the game.0 -
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The majority probably not, but some would be. Also unless the topics within that section are only related to ESO+ it would just harm the creation of good threads.
Subforums like this just create divisions within the community though.DieAlteHexe wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »I've played a different game that had forums then a special section of the forum that was just for premium members. It worked well having it along with the other boards. I'd support that, as long as anyone could post on the other boards. But no to just premium exclusive forums.
Yup, have seen this model in several places.
I don't really care either way.
Kind of seems weird to me now that there isn't an ESO+ subforum already.
Yes to a subforum. Big fat no to OPs suggested paywall forum.
We've already seen threads where the ESO+ vs B2P people clash, do we really need a subforum which just helps stroke the egos of some people and gives them superiority complex issues?
I don't think that the majority of subbers are like that. I know I'm not.
The forums already has less interesting and new threads vs nerf, rage, whine threads as it is.
To then potentially lock away half of the good content behind a pay wall and penalise some good B2P posters from accessing it only because some people in the community make posts we don't want to see isn't fair on those B2P players.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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The majority probably not, but some would be. Also unless the topics within that section are only related to ESO+ it would just harm the creation of good threads.
Subforums like this just create divisions within the community though.DieAlteHexe wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »I've played a different game that had forums then a special section of the forum that was just for premium members. It worked well having it along with the other boards. I'd support that, as long as anyone could post on the other boards. But no to just premium exclusive forums.
Yup, have seen this model in several places.
I don't really care either way.
Kind of seems weird to me now that there isn't an ESO+ subforum already.
Yes to a subforum. Big fat no to OPs suggested paywall forum.
We've already seen threads where the ESO+ vs B2P people clash, do we really need a subforum which just helps stroke the egos of some people and gives them superiority complex issues?
I don't think that the majority of subbers are like that. I know I'm not.
The forums already has less interesting and new threads vs nerf, rage, whine threads as it is.
To then potentially lock away half of the good content behind a pay wall and penalise some good B2P posters from accessing it only because some people in the community make posts we don't want to see isn't fair on those B2P players.
I don't know what you mean about losing good threads. 99% of people would just stay in General Discussion anyway.
I just want a private subforum to post goat GIFs in.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa2 -
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Why, what's wrong with General Discussion for that?
The majority probably not, but some would be. Also unless the topics within that section are only related to ESO+ it would just harm the creation of good threads.
Subforums like this just create divisions within the community though.DieAlteHexe wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »I've played a different game that had forums then a special section of the forum that was just for premium members. It worked well having it along with the other boards. I'd support that, as long as anyone could post on the other boards. But no to just premium exclusive forums.
Yup, have seen this model in several places.
I don't really care either way.
Kind of seems weird to me now that there isn't an ESO+ subforum already.
Yes to a subforum. Big fat no to OPs suggested paywall forum.
We've already seen threads where the ESO+ vs B2P people clash, do we really need a subforum which just helps stroke the egos of some people and gives them superiority complex issues?
I don't think that the majority of subbers are like that. I know I'm not.
The forums already has less interesting and new threads vs nerf, rage, whine threads as it is.
To then potentially lock away half of the good content behind a pay wall and penalise some good B2P posters from accessing it only because some people in the community make posts we don't want to see isn't fair on those B2P players.
I don't know what you mean about losing good threads. 99% of people would just stay in General Discussion anyway.
I just want a private subforum to post goat GIFs in.
Why stop others from having access to your wonderful GIFs?
Or, once again. Why don't we just have the forums rules updated with actions to stop that kind of behaviour. As I said, Paradox have literally done that to make their forums better.
Subforums like this just create divisions within the community though.DieAlteHexe wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »I've played a different game that had forums then a special section of the forum that was just for premium members. It worked well having it along with the other boards. I'd support that, as long as anyone could post on the other boards. But no to just premium exclusive forums.
Yup, have seen this model in several places.
I don't really care either way.
Kind of seems weird to me now that there isn't an ESO+ subforum already.
Yes to a subforum. Big fat no to OPs suggested paywall forum.
We've already seen threads where the ESO+ vs B2P people clash, do we really need a subforum which just helps stroke the egos of some people and gives them superiority complex issues?
Well, the ESO+ players can talk peacefully in their forum and if people want to complain or bash the publisher all day who have no real desire to stay with this title long term can do so on the regular forums. That way the ESO+ players can have meaningful and productive discussion without being intermingled with trolls, hateful remarks, or people seeking to derail productivity because they just hate the game.
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/read-me-toxicity-infraction-changes.1065125/
There is no reason that ZOS/ESO couldn't do the same here if it's becoming an issue. Like Paradox it wouldn't be a tool used to silence criticism but a way to get rid of the people who don't post anything constructive ever. There are a few accounts I know who if you look at their post history only come here to post how "ZOS is greedy" "Devs don't listen" "ZOS don't play their own game" etc.
There is also the option for us to personally moderate, we can mute those members so we don't see their posts or just stop engaging them. Additionally if one users is doing nothing but toxic (as Paradox calls it) posting then report them to a moderator.
Edited by Turelus on February 19, 2018 10:27AM@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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You should not have your voice silenced because you don't have money.. what kind of insane USA thinking is that.0 -
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✭✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »I've played a different game that had forums then a special section of the forum that was just for premium members. It worked well having it along with the other boards. I'd support that, as long as anyone could post on the other boards. But no to just premium exclusive forums.
Yup, have seen this model in several places.
I don't really care either way.
Kind of seems weird to me now that there isn't an ESO+ subforum already.
Yes to a subforum. Big fat no to OPs suggested paywall forum.
Okay, we're getting somewhere with this. I agree that this is an acceptable compromise and there should be an ESO+ member forum. The remainder of the forum should remain as-is. That is fair.
The way I've seen it done was other way 'round. A sub-forum or forums for non-subscribers with the majority of the forums for the subscribers.
Oh and ALL the forums (subscribers' sections) allowed non-subs to read, just not post.
ETA: BTW, after thinking and a cup of coffee I think it's best to leave things as they are. The mods seem to have increased their presence lately. We have a lot (too hyperbolic) some subs who enjoy coming in here and either stirring the pot with provocative bait posts or derailing so I'm not sure that separating things would make much difference in the end.Edited by DieAlteHexe on February 19, 2018 10:37AM
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BlueViolet✭✭✭✭✭What nonsense.
Why should the ability to post feedback or ask questions be limited to people who pay for a sub? That's an awful idea.
I sub. I don't need a special area to be able to post. There are folks here who have just as worthwhile and valid opinions who don't sub, as there are people who do.
Some of you just love to feel all self important, don't you.Edited by BlueViolet on February 19, 2018 10:31AMEU / NA / PC4 -
M_Volsung✭✭✭✭✭How about Just a section of the forums that requires ESO+ to access instead of the entire forum?"In the Deep Halls, Far from Men;
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✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »I've played a different game that had forums then a special section of the forum that was just for premium members. It worked well having it along with the other boards. I'd support that, as long as anyone could post on the other boards. But no to just premium exclusive forums.
Yup, have seen this model in several places.
I don't really care either way.
Kind of seems weird to me now that there isn't an ESO+ subforum already.
Yes to a subforum. Big fat no to OPs suggested paywall forum.
Okay, we're getting somewhere with this. I agree that this is an acceptable compromise and there should be an ESO+ member forum. The remainder of the forum should remain as-is. That is fair.
The way I've seen it done was other way 'round. A sub-forum or forums for non-subscribers with the majority of the forums for the subscribers.
Oh and ALL the forums (subscribers' sections) allowed non-subs to read, just not post.
That could work too.0 -
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Issue then is when someone wants to join the discussion they need to make a new thread calling out the posts from a thread they can't directly post in.DieAlteHexe wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »I've played a different game that had forums then a special section of the forum that was just for premium members. It worked well having it along with the other boards. I'd support that, as long as anyone could post on the other boards. But no to just premium exclusive forums.
Yup, have seen this model in several places.
I don't really care either way.
Kind of seems weird to me now that there isn't an ESO+ subforum already.
Yes to a subforum. Big fat no to OPs suggested paywall forum.
Okay, we're getting somewhere with this. I agree that this is an acceptable compromise and there should be an ESO+ member forum. The remainder of the forum should remain as-is. That is fair.
The way I've seen it done was other way 'round. A sub-forum or forums for non-subscribers with the majority of the forums for the subscribers.
Oh and ALL the forums (subscribers' sections) allowed non-subs to read, just not post.
So you end up with two threads on the same issue because people are not allowed to talk to one another in one of the threads directly.
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Why, what's wrong with General Discussion for that?
The majority probably not, but some would be. Also unless the topics within that section are only related to ESO+ it would just harm the creation of good threads.
Subforums like this just create divisions within the community though.DieAlteHexe wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »I've played a different game that had forums then a special section of the forum that was just for premium members. It worked well having it along with the other boards. I'd support that, as long as anyone could post on the other boards. But no to just premium exclusive forums.
Yup, have seen this model in several places.
I don't really care either way.
Kind of seems weird to me now that there isn't an ESO+ subforum already.
Yes to a subforum. Big fat no to OPs suggested paywall forum.
We've already seen threads where the ESO+ vs B2P people clash, do we really need a subforum which just helps stroke the egos of some people and gives them superiority complex issues?
I don't think that the majority of subbers are like that. I know I'm not.
The forums already has less interesting and new threads vs nerf, rage, whine threads as it is.
To then potentially lock away half of the good content behind a pay wall and penalise some good B2P posters from accessing it only because some people in the community make posts we don't want to see isn't fair on those B2P players.
I don't know what you mean about losing good threads. 99% of people would just stay in General Discussion anyway.
I just want a private subforum to post goat GIFs in.
Why stop others from having access to your wonderful GIFs?
Because goats are awesome and ought be shared with everyone, but the quit-threaders and game-health coroners dont deserve the goats and their awesomeness.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa2 -
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I know you're joking, but you just did the thing you said you didn't do. These people don't deserve my posting, it should only be in the ESO+ section.
Why, what's wrong with General Discussion for that?
The majority probably not, but some would be. Also unless the topics within that section are only related to ESO+ it would just harm the creation of good threads.
Subforums like this just create divisions within the community though.DieAlteHexe wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »I've played a different game that had forums then a special section of the forum that was just for premium members. It worked well having it along with the other boards. I'd support that, as long as anyone could post on the other boards. But no to just premium exclusive forums.
Yup, have seen this model in several places.
I don't really care either way.
Kind of seems weird to me now that there isn't an ESO+ subforum already.
Yes to a subforum. Big fat no to OPs suggested paywall forum.
We've already seen threads where the ESO+ vs B2P people clash, do we really need a subforum which just helps stroke the egos of some people and gives them superiority complex issues?
I don't think that the majority of subbers are like that. I know I'm not.
The forums already has less interesting and new threads vs nerf, rage, whine threads as it is.
To then potentially lock away half of the good content behind a pay wall and penalise some good B2P posters from accessing it only because some people in the community make posts we don't want to see isn't fair on those B2P players.
I don't know what you mean about losing good threads. 99% of people would just stay in General Discussion anyway.
I just want a private subforum to post goat GIFs in.
Why stop others from having access to your wonderful GIFs?
Because goats are awesome and ought be shared with everyone, but the quit-threaders and game-health coroners dont deserve the goats and their awesomeness.
Again whilst this is a joke, others would start believing that kind of posting is seriously how they should post.
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Issue then is when someone wants to join the discussion they need to make a new thread calling out the posts from a thread they can't directly post in.DieAlteHexe wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »I've played a different game that had forums then a special section of the forum that was just for premium members. It worked well having it along with the other boards. I'd support that, as long as anyone could post on the other boards. But no to just premium exclusive forums.
Yup, have seen this model in several places.
I don't really care either way.
Kind of seems weird to me now that there isn't an ESO+ subforum already.
Yes to a subforum. Big fat no to OPs suggested paywall forum.
Okay, we're getting somewhere with this. I agree that this is an acceptable compromise and there should be an ESO+ member forum. The remainder of the forum should remain as-is. That is fair.
The way I've seen it done was other way 'round. A sub-forum or forums for non-subscribers with the majority of the forums for the subscribers.
Oh and ALL the forums (subscribers' sections) allowed non-subs to read, just not post.
So you end up with two threads on the same issue because people are not allowed to talk to one another in one of the threads directly.
Mods took care of that.
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I know you're joking, but you just did the thing you said you didn't do. These people don't deserve my posting, it should only be in the ESO+ section.
Why, what's wrong with General Discussion for that?
The majority probably not, but some would be. Also unless the topics within that section are only related to ESO+ it would just harm the creation of good threads.
Subforums like this just create divisions within the community though.DieAlteHexe wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »I've played a different game that had forums then a special section of the forum that was just for premium members. It worked well having it along with the other boards. I'd support that, as long as anyone could post on the other boards. But no to just premium exclusive forums.
Yup, have seen this model in several places.
I don't really care either way.
Kind of seems weird to me now that there isn't an ESO+ subforum already.
Yes to a subforum. Big fat no to OPs suggested paywall forum.
We've already seen threads where the ESO+ vs B2P people clash, do we really need a subforum which just helps stroke the egos of some people and gives them superiority complex issues?
I don't think that the majority of subbers are like that. I know I'm not.
The forums already has less interesting and new threads vs nerf, rage, whine threads as it is.
To then potentially lock away half of the good content behind a pay wall and penalise some good B2P posters from accessing it only because some people in the community make posts we don't want to see isn't fair on those B2P players.
I don't know what you mean about losing good threads. 99% of people would just stay in General Discussion anyway.
I just want a private subforum to post goat GIFs in.
Why stop others from having access to your wonderful GIFs?
Because goats are awesome and ought be shared with everyone, but the quit-threaders and game-health coroners dont deserve the goats and their awesomeness.
Again whilst this is a joke, others would start believing that kind of posting is seriously how they should post.
Maybe some, but mostly I think the subforum would be used by few people. A glorious and quiet oasis for this goat to privately graze in (and perhaps nap in).PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa1 -
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Every player has the right to post here, plain and simple.Pain-Healer - Argonian Templar Healer (EP) - Immortal Redeemer - Gryphon's Heart
Guild : Ghosts and Goblins Target Dummies
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Aesthier✭✭✭✭✭You would be surprised how many ESO+ members troll the forums just like you just did. Taking forums rights from free to play people wouldn't reduce that much.
3/10Edited by Aesthier on February 19, 2018 11:19AM0
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