Sparkles...Have You Lost Your Minds?!?

LadyAstrum

coplannb16_ESO wrote: »

Bothers me that they turn a mature/serious medieval/fantasy setting into hello Kitty online... the Game quickly moves away from beeing an elder Scroll Game. You can argue whether this ever was one. When ES6 Comes, ZoS will get what they deserve...

I don't think any mmo is really "serious fantasy". Also a few sparkles isn't going to hurt in a world with fire and frost mounts. You know, adults are entitled to a little sparkle every now and again.

And yes, I loved My Little Pony when I was about eight years old. Nowadays, I'm content with a cute mount in ESO.

Elsonso

coplannb16_ESO wrote: »

Bothers me that they turn a mature/serious medieval/fantasy setting into hello Kitty online... the Game quickly moves away from beeing an elder Scroll Game. You can argue whether this ever was one. When ES6 Comes, ZoS will get what they deserve...

We trust that ZOS and Bethesda are good stewards for the Elder Scrolls brand. Bethesda is used to this role, but they are experimenting with monetization that their in-house game studio does not need. In the end, that monetization is going to butt heads with that stewardship, and that is where the trust comes in.

Honestly, I think monetization is winning too much. Probably more than is necessary to support the game studio, continuing and future development, and other expenses, so that they can maximize profits. I am all for making money, but I see the game as being the goal, and the profit as the reward for that game. The ESO monetization plan pays off for non-game effort.

As for TES 6, if ESO is around, they will get what they deserve. Probably a large influx of new players wanting to continue in the world that TES 6 introduces them to. People are under a mistaken impression that the masses that buy games like TES 6 won't play ESO, given the option. This is not a zero sum situation.

Kiyakotari

DragonRacer wrote: »

Waiting on a Lisa Frank senche...

I'd buy it. But only if it were a leopard. (Tiger variant might be cool, too. But leopard would be the ultimate awesome. A matching rainbow skin for my toon would be AMAZING.)

Appleblade

lordrichter wrote: »

Head canon? I guess my feeling is that if I have to put myself into a special mindset to spend $35 on a mount, maybe I am trying too hard to buy it.

Or, you know, role playing. I heard that’s a thing with these RPGs.

Kiralyn2000

coplannb16_ESO wrote: »

Bothers me that they turn a mature/serious medieval/fantasy setting into hello Kitty online... the Game quickly moves away from beeing an elder Scroll Game.

Feels like you haven't played much TES before, to me. (Thinks back to scrolls of Icarian Flight, boots of blinding speed, the Adoring Fan, and all the other goofy stuff that's in there even before you have mods)

When ES6 Comes, ZoS will get what they deserve...

I'd presume, the same as when any other Big Game comes out - a brief period of fewer active players, and then a resurgence when the next DLC/Chapter/event happens. Like any other MMO. /shrug

Elsonso

Appleblade wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Head canon? I guess my feeling is that if I have to put myself into a special mindset to spend $35 on a mount, maybe I am trying too hard to buy it.

Or, you know, role playing. I heard that’s a thing with these RPGs.

I liked your explanation from before, but I don't role play in order to justify a $35 digital mount purchase. I am no stranger to role playing, and that seems just a little creepy to me.

Balticthunder

Lol like we dont know who is this marqueting audience they are targeting for with these things ( just look at pictures in this thread) - same, who buys princesse style gowns and skimpy dresses!
Believe me, the next thing these people are ready to throw away big money are wings.
So no surprise when they will appear in data mined files any soon. Well, same as every other MMO.

LadyAstrum

Balticthunder wrote: »

Lol like we dont know who is this marqueting audience they are targeting for with these things ( just look at pictures in this thread) - same, who buys princesse style gowns and skimpy dresses!
Believe me, the next thing these people are ready to throw away big money are wings.
So no surprise when they will appear in data mined files any soon. Well, same as every other MMO.

Stereotyping. I've seen males (not wearing dresses) on these horses.

Korah_Eaglecry

If I had noticed the sparkles in the image of the horse prior to its introduction to the Crown Store. I probably would not have been as annoyed when I made the OP. There was a time where I was not on board with all the magical mounts, mostly due to the obvious lack of explanation for their presence in the game. Thats not to say magical mounts shouldnt exist in a Fantasy game. But that in a Elder Scrolls game where the brand and franchise is built on the deep lore for the games. I would expect a little more effort on the part of Lawrence to give us something more than what we get in the descriptions. I dont expect a lore book, though on occasion that would be nice, but I do expect more than what we got in the White-Gold Imperial Courser description. Where it says nothing of the sparkles or what makes the horse sparkle... Everything in its description indicates its just a very fancy well-bred horse like the Palomino Horse. Nothing regarding magic or imagery like an atronach mount where its super obvious of its magical origins. At least with the atronach mounts there is a basis within the lore for it to be a thing. We have evidence of mages, wizards and such summoning atronachs through out the franchise. So is it plausible for a mage to decide to summon an atronach in the form of a horse or other rideable animal? Sure.


The White-Gold Imperial Coursers description is

"Created after years of extensive breeding, the White-Gold Imperial Courser is said to be the most beautiful horse in all of Tamriel. With its almost ethereal beauty, these horses are owned by only the wealthiest riders."

Other people are enjoying this mount? Great. Good for them that they have something they can ride around on and enjoy. I have no issue with that. Nor do I want to take that away from them or expect ZOS to change things to suit me and only me. But I do expect them to present these items with some more honesty and be more upfront with the imagery they use. Im quite fed up with the way they approach selling their digital goods to their customerbase. It is always misleading, it is always just ever so different than what they presented it as. There is always something in the description that doesnt line up with what the product actually is.

Marginis

3500? Sorry but I don't think it's that nice. Honestly, I would still have been trying to get every single crown store item in the game had they not started making everything more and more expensive (and introduced crown crates).

At this point I'm just kind of like

You expect me to get this?

DieAlteHexe

Balticthunder wrote: »

Lol like we dont know who is this marqueting audience they are targeting for with these things ( just look at pictures in this thread) - same, who buys princesse style gowns and skimpy dresses!
Believe me, the next thing these people are ready to throw away big money are wings.
So no surprise when they will appear in data mined files any soon. Well, same as every other MMO.

Ooops!

I didn't buy any "skimpy" dresses nor "princess style gowns" as I care for neither. Nor would I buy wings, unless they were chicken and came with a nice bleu cheese dip and were delivered freshly made to my door.

I do, though, have a weakness when it comes to horses.

Kiralyn2000

Balticthunder wrote: »

Lol like we dont know who is this marqueting audience they are targeting for with these things ( just look at pictures in this thread) - same, who buys princesse style gowns and skimpy dresses!

Eh, if I were going to go by stereotypes, I'd think that Pretty Pony and Princess Dresses would be bought by Girly Girls, while the skimpy dresses are bought by horny guys. Two different groups.


But that's if you go by stereotypes. /shrug


(Even ignoring stereotypes, I have a hard time seeing Sparkly Pony and Skimpy Dresses having a huge overlap in interest groups.)

Kelces

xbobx wrote: »

i think charging 3500 crowns in itself shows they have lost their minds

Only those who choose to buy it, in my humble opinion. Nobody is forcing anyone and why so much noise about something like this anyway? Like a pair of 250€ sneakers, seriously...

Dareena

Well...

To all those people who complain about "grim" mounts, and "why can't we have a nice sparkling horse if there are zombie and skeleton ones?" - okay, just remember how much zombies and skeletons you slew this week. And now remember how much sparkling glittery Disney-movie-style creatures you met in the game this week (aside of this horse)? The Elder Scrolls world - surprise! - is grim enough. There are ash storms, giant spiders and all kinds of undead all around. It's not a place for a sparkling glamorous pony.

To all those people who ask why sparkling glittery horse can't exist if there are ice and fire mounts - if you noticed, there are also creatures like ice\fire atronachs or ice wraiths, for example, which makes an existence of an ice mount kind of logical. I'm not a big fan of fancy crown store mounts myself (as well as spending 3-4K crowns just to show off), but ZOS at least tried to stay somehow lore-friendly before. For example, "dwarven" mounts were horrible, but they were explained as "made by Dwemer artifact smugglers" at least. And here we got no explanation - "hey, it's a well-bred Imperial horse, it sparkles and makes chimes sounds for some reason!". Oookay.

To people who propose to make a "head canon" for a sparkling horse - splendid, I can explain a Nyan Cat mount as a rare magical senche breed created by Shalidor himself - will it make a Nyan Cat mount a less nonsense in the Elder Scrolls universe?

Don't get me wrong. I'm a girl myself, I love My Little Pony and Hello Kitty, and I’m wearing a Pusheen the Cat top right now.
But I don't want the aesthetics of the Elder Scrolls world being spoiled with "magical" shiny creatures not based on any existing lore. That's all.

LadyAstrum

Well, petition to ZoS to have the sparkles removed then if they're so removed from lore. Yes, I am serious. If this mount has people so concerned that ESO is going in a distasteful direction, moving away from lore, start a petition, and if that ended up with the sparkles removed, then fine.

Livvy

The "sparkles" on this horse remind me of the sparkly glitter that torchbugs leave a trail of behind them. I love it.

Now I just need a torchbug pet.

Appleblade

lordrichter wrote: »

Appleblade wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Head canon? I guess my feeling is that if I have to put myself into a special mindset to spend $35 on a mount, maybe I am trying too hard to buy it.

Or, you know, role playing. I heard that’s a thing with these RPGs.

I liked your explanation from before, but I don't role play in order to justify a $35 digital mount purchase. I am no stranger to role playing, and that seems just a little creepy to me.

Whatever. The role play is for fun. My justification to buy it is I liked I, and the cost is trivial to me.

Appleblade

DragonRacer wrote: »

Waiting on a Lisa Frank senche...

I got a cavity just looking at that picture. Diabetics- avert your gaze!

elantaura

Just linking back to this horse - white gold horse
On telvar - bits of white gold tower
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Tel_Var_Stones
Books On tel var
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:On_the_Tel_Var_Stones
Would not be hard to feed some horse some powdered stone powder I imagine creation magic to be a bit sparkly. Now how is it I can sit on a flame Astro again?

Kiralyn2000

elantaura wrote: »

Just linking back to this horse - white gold horse
On telvar - bits of white gold tower
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Tel_Var_Stones
Books On tel var
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:On_the_Tel_Var_Stones
Would not be hard to feed some horse some powdered stone powder I imagine creation magic to be a bit sparkly. Now how is it I can sit on a flame Astro again?

Alternatively, I can just picture a stuck-up Imperial/Altmer/Breton noble commissioning some folks from the Mage Guild to 'fancy up' his pampered show horse. Various light spells & other illusions enchanted onto the saddle/bridle/reins/etc. Totally in-character for some of those guys.

Zorgon_The_Revenged

"Why does it sparkle?" that's because I use..

RANKK7

Balticthunder wrote: »

Lol like we dont know who is this marqueting audience they are targeting for with these things ( just look at pictures in this thread) - same, who buys princesse style gowns and skimpy dresses!
Believe me, the next thing these people are ready to throw away big money are wings.
So no surprise when they will appear in data mined files any soon. Well, same as every other MMO.

I have yet to see a skimpy costume in here, I think you don't have the faintest idea what skimpy is.

Good old TES

LadyAstrum

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

elantaura wrote: »

Just linking back to this horse - white gold horse
On telvar - bits of white gold tower
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Tel_Var_Stones
Books On tel var
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:On_the_Tel_Var_Stones
Would not be hard to feed some horse some powdered stone powder I imagine creation magic to be a bit sparkly. Now how is it I can sit on a flame Astro again?

Alternatively, I can just picture a stuck-up Imperial/Altmer/Breton noble commissioning some folks from the Mage Guild to 'fancy up' his pampered show horse. Various light spells & other illusions enchanted onto the saddle/bridle/reins/etc. Totally in-character for some of those guys.

Wins thread in my view . In a world of mages, surely they could, as you say, offer magical enchantments to "pimp" a horse up.

Living_Ded

The seriously extreme reactions to this mount had me ROFL-ing the day it launched on the crown store. There were tears, for real. BRAVO Zenimax, keep it up! Seriously this is awesome!

Also, does anyone have screens of the full upgrades on this? Stam, Speed, Carry?

Krawchi

Stop complaining about lore. Lore itself is made up by people , its not historical or anything

Elsonso

Krawchi wrote: »

Stop complaining about lore. Lore itself is made up by people , its not historical or anything

You know, it is both historical and made up by people. Historical merely means that it pertains to past events, and there are a lot of past events that ESO builds on. Namely, the games and interal writings about them, and the game world they portray.

MikkeOfGreenRiver

Thankfully in this game we are not limited to a generic medieval environment. This is The Elder Scrolls. The lore is bigger than all of the games, and it keeps getting bigger. Want to play a pig farmer? Go for it. Naked Nord? Dwemer scholar? You’re not alone. Would you care to worship a shiny floating goddess-queen who does not appear to own panties? Lucky you, we’ve got one.

One thing that does not fit in an Elder Scrolls environment is one player trying to control another player’s aesthetic. You can have your zombie mount or spider car or camel made out of vines. I’ll take the nicely textured horse, thank you. With all of the magical effects I’ve played with over several TES games, I don’t wonder how a rich kid’s pony could sparkle. I wonder why more things don’t.

Korah_Eaglecry

LadyAstrum wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

elantaura wrote: »

Just linking back to this horse - white gold horse
On telvar - bits of white gold tower
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Tel_Var_Stones
Books On tel var
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:On_the_Tel_Var_Stones
Would not be hard to feed some horse some powdered stone powder I imagine creation magic to be a bit sparkly. Now how is it I can sit on a flame Astro again?

Alternatively, I can just picture a stuck-up Imperial/Altmer/Breton noble commissioning some folks from the Mage Guild to 'fancy up' his pampered show horse. Various light spells & other illusions enchanted onto the saddle/bridle/reins/etc. Totally in-character for some of those guys.

Wins thread in my view . In a world of mages, surely they could, as you say, offer magical enchantments to "pimp" a horse up.

This is a discussion, not a competition. If your attitude towards having a discussion or conversation with another person is that you have to "win". Then maybe its not the other persons views thats the problem. Its yours.

LadyAstrum

MikkeOfGreenRiver wrote: »

Thankfully in this game we are not limited to a generic medieval environment. This is The Elder Scrolls. The lore is bigger than all of the games, and it keeps getting bigger. Want to play a pig farmer? Go for it. Naked Nord? Dwemer scholar? You’re not alone. Would you care to worship a shiny floating goddess-queen who does not appear to own panties? Lucky you, we’ve got one.

One thing that does not fit in an Elder Scrolls environment is one player trying to control another player’s aesthetic. You can have your zombie mount or spider car or camel made out of vines. I’ll take the nicely textured horse, thank you. With all of the magical effects I’ve played with over several TES games, I don’t wonder how a rich kid’s pony could sparkle. I wonder why more things don’t.

Beautifully said, I have felt this sentiment but not had the words to express it eloquently enough. This is a magical world, and though I respect and appreciate the lore, I don't think a few sparkles breaks the lore.

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

elantaura wrote: »

Just linking back to this horse - white gold horse
On telvar - bits of white gold tower
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Tel_Var_Stones
Books On tel var
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:On_the_Tel_Var_Stones
Would not be hard to feed some horse some powdered stone powder I imagine creation magic to be a bit sparkly. Now how is it I can sit on a flame Astro again?

Alternatively, I can just picture a stuck-up Imperial/Altmer/Breton noble commissioning some folks from the Mage Guild to 'fancy up' his pampered show horse. Various light spells & other illusions enchanted onto the saddle/bridle/reins/etc. Totally in-character for some of those guys.

Wins thread in my view . In a world of mages, surely they could, as you say, offer magical enchantments to "pimp" a horse up.

This is a discussion, not a competition. If your attitude towards having a discussion or conversation with another person is that you have to "win". Then maybe its not the other persons views thats the problem. Its yours.

Wasn't sure if should dignify this with a reply, but it's clear it is you that has a "problem". My comment was light-hearted and jovial, things, it seems, you're incapable of.

Elsonso

MikkeOfGreenRiver wrote: »

Thankfully in this game we are not limited to a generic medieval environment. This is The Elder Scrolls. The lore is bigger than all of the games, and it keeps getting bigger. Want to play a pig farmer? Go for it. Naked Nord? Dwemer scholar? You’re not alone. Would you care to worship a shiny floating goddess-queen who does not appear to own panties? Lucky you, we’ve got one.

One thing that does not fit in an Elder Scrolls environment is one player trying to control another player’s aesthetic. You can have your zombie mount or spider car or camel made out of vines. I’ll take the nicely textured horse, thank you. With all of the magical effects I’ve played with over several TES games, I don’t wonder how a rich kid’s pony could sparkle. I wonder why more things don’t.

But... We can only have two pigs. I think they are different pigs. One is some special promotional pig that is probably hard to come by. I can never get to the conventions where they handed those out, and I am not sure if they are even handing them out any more!

If this game were filled with sparkles, no one would think twice about it. The fact that people are thinking about it suggests that it is out of place. Against the lore? Maybe not. Out of place? I can agree with that. Magical world or not.