new 15 day and 7 day research scrolls

magictucktuck

what do you think? it helps with alts. also i am master crafter on xbox but still researching on pc so it will help me.

agegarton

No complaints from me, although I’d like the same to be available to buy/trade through the Master Writ Vendor. Assuming that’s the case, all good.

magictucktuck

agegarton wrote: »

No complaints from me, although I’d like the same to be available to buy/trade through the Master Writ Vendor. Assuming that’s the case, all good.

I didn't think about that, i would think they are also craftable. but with a cool down. i wonder if the cool-down would be 15 days? or 24 hours like the 1 day craft-able ones

monktoasty

It's pay to win feature. Instant 9 trait masters with enough $$$$

If this is the road they want..why not sell lvl 50 scrolls and 100 200 300 skill points scrolls

Kuramas9tails

monktoasty wrote: »

It's pay to win feature. Instant 9 trait masters with enough $$$$

If this is the road they want..why not sell lvl 50 scrolls and 100 200 300 skill points scrolls

So are mount speed and stamina pay to win in Cyrodiil? I kill plenty of people on low stamina and speed mounts between keeps and usually the fast riders with max stamina don't get knocked down as easily and can make it to the keep for the AP tick. More AP = $$$$$.

jlboozer

It is edging ever closer to a p2w item in my opinion. So I had to take a whole year to be a 9 trait crafter, but now any kid with his moms credit card can get on day 1 and pay his way to 9 traits. I really don't like the way this is going, not to mention it cheapens all the time I spent actually researching my way to being a 9 trait crafter. I hope ZoS rethinks this, it's a horrible idea.

thedude33

Me thinks there a lot of people chomping at the bit to be able to scream P2W !!!

They have been saying it for years so why not give it to them.

firedrgn

If they would come out with some more crafted sets they might sell or id they do ad spell crafting they will sell like hotcakes. Assuming its tied to crafting. My guess is yes .

Danikat

I haven't researched all of the traits yet, but I have no intention of buying this. Unless for some reason you're in a desperate rush to finish your research it seems like a waste of money.

I'm sure some people will buy it though.

DeadlyRecluse

In the first year or so of the game, I'd say it was dangerously close to pay to win...

But at this point, everyone either has a 9 trait crafter or knows one--if they even use crafted gear. I have no real problem with monetizing accelerated crafting research, and it isn't going to make any difference in terms of endgame PvP, PvE, or economics.

So while it feels pay to win...what does it help you win? Master writs, maybe, but the drop rate on that is low and mysterious.

Elsonso

agegarton wrote: »

I’d like the same to be available to buy/trade through the Master Writ Vendor.

Agreed. They need to improve the in-game "premium" offering, too.

zaria

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

In the first year or so of the game, I'd say it was dangerously close to pay to win...

But at this point, everyone either has a 9 trait crafter or knows one--if they even use crafted gear. I have no real problem with monetizing accelerated crafting research, and it isn't going to make any difference in terms of endgame PvP, PvE, or economics.

So while it feels pay to win...what does it help you win? Master writs, maybe, but the drop rate on that is low and mysterious.

This the most popular crafted sets are 6 traits or below, if you want an 8 or 9 trait one its no issue getting some to craft it.

Turelus

It feels dirty because of what it is (skipping game investment for money) but as others have said at this point in ESO it makes no difference.

magictucktuck

im 100 percent against anything pay to win.. but how is this pay to win lol ?

Amadis001

Too much pay-to-win. I've sweated out 9 traits on my crafter over the last 15 months, and I'm not happy that anyone with $$ can just catch up and then influence the in-game economy adverse to my interests.

idk

agegarton wrote: »

No complaints from me, although I’d like the same to be available to buy/trade through the Master Writ Vendor. Assuming that’s the case, all good.

1 million vouchers. No, no. 1 billion vouchers.

Kiralyn2000

monktoasty wrote: »

It's pay to win feature. Instant 9 trait masters with enough $$$$

I'm on the 8-9 trait border with most of my crafts, the long way, but I'm curious. What exactly do you "win" with mastering 9 traits?

KingYogi415

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

monktoasty wrote: »

It's pay to win feature. Instant 9 trait masters with enough $$$$

I'm on the 8-9 trait border with most of my crafts, the long way, but I'm curious. What exactly do you "win" with mastering 9 traits?

Instead of paying a more dedicated player to craft a 9-trait set, you can just craft it yourself.

Then you and the legions of other P2W players start selling 9-trait sets, hurting the market and ruining the time and gold invested by non P2W players.

Pretty basic.

Kiralyn2000

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

monktoasty wrote: »

It's pay to win feature. Instant 9 trait masters with enough $$$$

I'm on the 8-9 trait border with most of my crafts, the long way, but I'm curious. What exactly do you "win" with mastering 9 traits?

Instead of paying a more dedicated player to craft a 9-trait set, you can just craft it yourself.

Then you and the legions of other P2W players start selling 9-trait sets, hurting the market and ruining the time and gold invested non P2W players all went through.

Pretty basic.

Don't worry, I'm not selling anything. The whole exclusionary "guild vendor" economy thing, you know. /shrug
Of course, I've also never bought any crafted set gear, either. Eh, whatever.

(hmm, I have bought a small handful of crafted items, but just Nirnhoned things for research.)



...honestly, across all the MMOs I've played, and all the crafters I've tried to max out as far as I could manage, I've never bought into the whole "I'm a dedicated crafter, the game owes me profit" argument.

Kuramas9tails

Amadis001 wrote: »

Too much pay-to-win. I've sweated out 9 traits on my crafter over the last 15 months, and I'm not happy that anyone with $$ can just catch up and then influence the in-game economy adverse to my interests.

I sweated out 9 traits on my crafter a year ago and I don't wish that upon anyone. There's not a single 9 trait craftable set that is BIS. Julianos is only 6 traits to craft AND in a DLC content. Is that Pay to win too? It's BIS for magic DPS. What about the motifs they sell in game? Is that Pay to win? What about Maelstrom weapons? Pay to win? Asylum weapons? Pay to win? Motifs that drop in DLC areas? Pay to win? Moondancer? I can go on and on that are legitimate BIS gear that you need to pay real money to get. Letting someone finish all their crafting research is the least of my worries and should never have taken as long as it did for research.

rynth

monktoasty wrote: »

It's pay to win feature. Instant 9 trait masters with enough $$$$

If this is the road they want..why not sell lvl 50 scrolls and 100 200 300 skill points scrolls

dang slow down there little buckaroo you just went straight to ludicrous speed.

It's not P2W by now a large amount of players have at least one or know of people that have all nine traits, this is a way for those that are just joining the game and have the money to spend the money to be able to craft faster or those that have alts. This game has been out for what like three years now? your going to find that there will be eventually more and more ways for people that are casual have ways to catch up. I would not be surprised if in a year or so you see scrolls or character tokens that boost you to lvl 50 (and that too isn't P2W) because there is a ton of content you have to do to get skill pts etc. along the way.

ntheogenic

The 1 day scrolls from the crown store already do not have a cooldown.

These items change nothing. Think of them as cheaper (probably) bundles.

kringled_1

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Instead of paying a more dedicated player to craft a 9-trait set, you can just craft it yourself.

Then you and the legions of other P2W players start selling 9-trait sets, hurting the market and ruining the time and gold invested non P2W players all went through.

Pretty basic.

What market? Most 8-9 trait sets are incredibly niche. I've seen TBS in guild stores but can't imagine a reason to run it over a 6 trait. Kag's hope is occasionally recommended, I encounter stamblades using eternal hunt in Cyrodiil regularly but that's about it.
You can ask on the crafting forum but I don't think item crafting is particularly profitable these days.

monktoasty

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

monktoasty wrote: »

It's pay to win feature. Instant 9 trait masters with enough $$$$

I'm on the 8-9 trait border with most of my crafts, the long way, but I'm curious. What exactly do you "win" with mastering 9 traits?

It means you pay to max level. Yes paying for horse speed is pay to win. Yes paying for instant trait learnage is pay to win. It doesn't technically need to have an award or advantage..it just winning that completion with money.

What if you pay for achievements? It doesn't matter if you pay 50 dollars for master fisherman..but it certainly is..an icky feeling knowing your work and dedication means nothing..that thec6 months or a year or whatever time you took can just be bought in minutes

SydneyGrey

monktoasty wrote: »

It's pay to win feature. Instant 9 trait masters with enough $$$$
If this is the road they want..why not sell lvl 50 scrolls and 100 200 300 skill points scrolls

Just making something go a little faster is not "pay to win."

Runefang

ESO+ learns traits 10% faster, is that pay to win?

Cernow

I think throwing around the term "pay to win" isn't helpful. No-one is winning anything significant by reaching 9 traits quickly.

However .....

It might be better to call it "pay to bypass a grind" because that's essentially what it is.

And it's really not good for the game. All it does is encourage the devs to throw horrible grinds into the game and then allow people willing to throw lots of money at it to skip those grinds.

Bear in mind that a lot of people forced to endure the grinds are already paying an ESO+ sub, which whilst it does speed some grinds up a little doesn't do so by much. It's nonsense like this that makes me think seriously about my ESO+ sub when it's taken me many many months to grind out my mount abilities and traits.

jedtb16_ESO

how is it pay to win?

dropped gear tends to be better than crafted. the market for crafted gear, beyond specific traits, has never been that great.

the only reason i've done crafting is to make gear for alts.... so?

Wreuntzylla

Everyone is missing the big picture. I'm a good example.

Started at early release and now have some 16-18 full 9/9 crafters.

With 9/9, in theory, you receive more master writs. In practice, if I run them all through daily writs, I will have 50-100 master writs in a week.

Vouchers are very profitable. Furniture recipes, a number of gold recipes, target dummies, attunement stations, the 1 day research accelerator.

Now people can buy their way to something I worked towards over the life of the game, with the end result being the ruination of any voucher related market that exists....

Eh, I'm not against it, I certainly got mileage out of the exclusivity period. But there should be some benefit for time in the saddle. Maybe a t-shirt that says "I'm a full year 9/9 loser!"

ClockworkCityBugs

@ZOS_GinaBruno
any in-game replacements for this scrolls?
or it will be crown store only versions?

Eatmyface

I haven't been playing long enough to really have a gripe against this / feel cheated... I'm 8-9 traits on everything and was looking forward to getting finishing that one off... Now getting my 9th trait crafted will be a bit "meh".