Remove snares from pvp already

Aelakhaii_De_Mythos

If you dont mind... just do it.
It is detrimental to pvp. Been said so many times for so long.

Thanks in advance.

Speed_Kills

Clearly a L2P issue

IxSTALKERxI

You need snares in PvP, otherwise you can't land any melee attacks or PBAoE on anyone.

They should be balanced though so you don't get a free snare as a secondary effect on half the dps skills in the game.

RABIDxWOLVERINE

while you are at it ZoS just remove combat from Cyrodiil... smh

SHADOW2KK

Um use immovable pots, rapid, etc?

caeliusstarbreaker

I’d just want the gap closer snare to be gone.

Derra

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

I’d just want the gap closer snare to be gone.

Tbh - i don´t think that would be enough.

I´d be a fan of snares getting progressively weaker by 10% every second after application - as an example lotusfan:

Currently snares for 70% over 8s with my proposed change it would snare for 70% on application then 60 50 40 30 20 10 for a total of 7s.

The snare on encase (restraining prison morph) currently works the same way - it gets weaker over time - so with the mechanic already existing it should not be too hard to implement in the game.

NightbladeMechanics

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Um use immovable pots, rapid, etc?

Your signature suggests too much time played to still be thinking immov pots impact snares in the slightest.

Aelakhaii_De_Mythos

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

You need snares in PvP, otherwise you can't land any melee attacks or PBAoE on anyone.

They should be balanced though so you don't get a free snare as a secondary effect on half the dps skills in the game.

This is incorrect. You can try using speed pots while under, say, shuffle snare immunity. You still get hit by everything (unless you sprint away).

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Um use immovable pots, rapid, etc?

Immovable doesnt remove snare. Rapids do but it costs 8kish.

Derra wrote: »

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

I’d just want the gap closer snare to be gone.

Tbh - i don´t think that would be enough.

I´d be a fan of snares getting progressively weaker by 10% every second after application - as an example lotusfan:

Currently snares for 70% over 8s with my proposed change it would snare for 70% on application then 60 50 40 30 20 10 for a total of 7s.

The snare on encase (restraining prison morph) currently works the same way - it gets weaker over time - so with the mechanic already existing it should not be too hard to implement in the game.

The thing is, as a stam char (unless stam sorc, maybe) one would still have to make a main priority of any build to be one which removes snares. And this is my issue with snares. To much effort just to enable proper movement.

antihero727

RABIDxWOLVERINE wrote: »

while you are at it ZoS just remove combat from Cyrodiil... smh

With the tank meta atm they did in a round about way.

IxSTALKERxI

Aelakhaii_De_Mythos wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

You need snares in PvP, otherwise you can't land any melee attacks or PBAoE on anyone.

They should be balanced though so you don't get a free snare as a secondary effect on half the dps skills in the game.

This is incorrect. You can try using speed pots while under, say, shuffle snare immunity. You still get hit by everything (unless you sprint away).

What if your enemies are also running speed pots? and endlessly running around tree's etc.

Ever tried using Biting Jabs or puncturing sweep without using Rending slashes, Stampede or reflective light first?
Ever tried running after someone with a flame lash without snaring or rooting them first?

It's not gonna work... you would be better off re-rolling mag sorc or warden and sitting back at range spamming cliff racer.

pzschrek

Yeah you can't remove roots/snares entirely. But I agree it's overturned. It seems like EVERYTHING snares you.

DeadlyRecluse

Yeah, it's the free snares attached to skills you'd use anyway that really bog everything down.

I never intentionally snare other players...but between vampire's bane, the templar ritual snare passive, and the jabs snare...

They're always snared. And I never, ever have to think about snaring them. It just happens.

caeliusstarbreaker

Derra wrote: »

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

I’d just want the gap closer snare to be gone.

Tbh - i don´t think that would be enough.

I´d be a fan of snares getting progressively weaker by 10% every second after application - as an example lotusfan:

Currently snares for 70% over 8s with my proposed change it would snare for 70% on application then 60 50 40 30 20 10 for a total of 7s.

The snare on encase (restraining prison morph) currently works the same way - it gets weaker over time - so with the mechanic already existing it should not be too hard to implement in the game.

I mean I can definitely work with the gap close snare being gone, sure there shouldn’t be anything in the game that snares above 50% and it’s there was a major minor snare system I would be happier. But the gap close snare is more of a problem.

Chakei

Snares need tweaking, yeah but to remove them is a bit beyond excessive.

BroanBeast1215

Aelakhaii_De_Mythos wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

You need snares in PvP, otherwise you can't land any melee attacks or PBAoE on anyone.

They should be balanced though so you don't get a free snare as a secondary effect on half the dps skills in the game.

This is incorrect. You can try using speed pots while under, say, shuffle snare immunity. You still get hit by everything (unless you sprint away).

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Um use immovable pots, rapid, etc?

Immovable doesnt remove snare. Rapids do but it costs 8kish.

Derra wrote: »

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

I’d just want the gap closer snare to be gone.

Tbh - i don´t think that would be enough.

I´d be a fan of snares getting progressively weaker by 10% every second after application - as an example lotusfan:

Currently snares for 70% over 8s with my proposed change it would snare for 70% on application then 60 50 40 30 20 10 for a total of 7s.

The snare on encase (restraining prison morph) currently works the same way - it gets weaker over time - so with the mechanic already existing it should not be too hard to implement in the game.

The thing is, as a stam char (unless stam sorc, maybe) one would still have to make a main priority of any build to be one which removes snares. And this is my issue with snares. To much effort just to enable proper movement.

ermm use shuffle to remove snares? seems like a no-brainer here bruv

Lucky28

Snares should not be taken out of PvP completely (that would be harmful) but i do think there are too many snares. removing the snares on some abilities (Hidden blade, some gap closers etc) would put us in a better place.

frozywozy

1) Design the game so all morphs can either be magicka or stamina cost depending of your highest ressource pool. If stamina, deal physical/poison/disease damage, if magicka, deal magic/fire/frost/storm damage. (I know that this idea needs some work but you will understand why in the next points)

2) Design one morph to be an increased of damage and the other one to be an increased of utility/support (snare, roots ccs).

3) Remove all class snare passives OR add diminishing returns to the game.

DIMINISHING RETURNS

Group the following effects together (example) :

- Snares and roots

1) When you are affected by a snare or a root, then use an ability that remove snares/roots, the next time you get affected by them in the next 5 seconds, reduce the duration by half.

2) From there, If you use an ability that remove snares/roots again, and then get affected by a snare or a root the next 5 seconds, reduce the already halved duration by another half.

3) From there, If you use an ability that remove snares/roots a third time, you have immunity to all roots and snares for the next 5 seconds.

Rohaus

Mag users suffer from snares and roots more significantly than do stamina based classes.

However, ever since I the change to Shuffle... more and more I have seen folks using Forward Momentum which was and still is far superior than Shuffle ever was or is.

Against high skilled stamina players, just try and pin them down with a root or snare... if they have Forward Momentum... forget about trying to snare or slow them down. That leaves a person with just a stun to fight against these slippery devils. In the end, I find it an incredibly frustrating experience trying to fight against these slippery folks.

If anything, I'd like to see some sort of change with Forward Momentum... but that's just me... 8 seconds for as cheap as it is is just too much.

At the same time... before the days of Forward Momentum... you could actually CC someone... root them... and do this often enough to get your hits in...

Why do you think the game is the way it is now... just burst... because that is the only way you will kill someone that is slipping and sliding all over this here water park.

frozywozy

Rohaus wrote: »

Mag users suffer from snares and roots more significantly than do stamina based classes.

However, ever since I the change to Shuffle... more and more I have seen folks using Forward Momentum which was and still is far superior than Shuffle ever was or is.

Against high skilled stamina players, just try and pin them down with a root or snare... if they have Forward Momentum... forget about trying to snare or slow them down. That leaves a person with just a stun to fight against these slippery devils. In the end, I find it an incredibly frustrating experience trying to fight against these slippery folks.

If anything, I'd like to see some sort of change with Forward Momentum... but that's just me... 8 seconds for as cheap as it is is just too much.

At the same time... before the days of Forward Momentum... you could actually CC someone... root them... and do this often enough to get your hits in...

Why do you think the game is the way it is now... just burst... because that is the only way you will kill someone that is slipping and sliding all over this here water park.

Just a heads up, this thread is about the fact that there are too many snares and it makes the game unplayable. Not the other way around. I understand that Forward Momentum make players lot more slipery but they also decide to go without the burst heal that Rally would provide to them.

Aelakhaii_De_Mythos

So many uninformed opinions...Not sure why I even post.

Just to compare forward momentum and rally, just let me know when anyone who uses forward momentum in tougher fights as solo actually survives. Anyone who disagrees with this BASIC point should just be silent.

If we are blessed enough and zos actually start to understand how CENTRAL snaring is in open world pvp, then i dont want them to read the forum and read your ***.

Don't tell me it's l2p issue.

Inig0

just as a PSA this topic is also talked about

here:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/389784/snares-minor-major#latest

Jawasa

Your Idea is just as uninformed no snares in pvp is a horrible idea.

Slick_007

iv gotten stacks of people killed using trap, they think they can run away and then oops. its hilarious because i dont win many 1v1 battles.

Datthaw

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Um use immovable pots, rapid, etc?

Immov pots dont remove snares...

pzschrek

Did you see they nerfed immob duration on all potions by 30%?

They're making it worse

xeNNNNN

I dont think snares should be removed but I do think there is just too much cc in pvp right now. Maybe its the meta, maybe its the state of the game.

But even with immo pots and rapids, its not fun to be perma cc'ed by zergs or small groups of players. Sucks the fun right out of PvP imo. Especially seeing as due to the lag CC is nearly 50% more effective because people are lagging so hard they cant actually break free anymore.

technohic

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

I’d just want the gap closer snare to be gone.

Well the thing there is; its kind of useful so you land a hit on a kiting target after a gap close. Remove the snare, and lwe're back at gap closing spam, and gap closers are getting weaker meaning a big nerf for melee

They need to tone them down though. 50% should be the max and on something that's purpose is primarily a snare, not as a secondary effect. And those should be short. Like 2 seconds. The longer duration should match major and minor expedition in strength and duration.

These 70% snares like I have on my magblade are over the top.

Datthaw

technohic wrote: »

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

I’d just want the gap closer snare to be gone.

Well the thing there is; its kind of useful so you land a hit on a kiting target after a gap close. Remove the snare, and lwe're back at gap closing spam, and gap closers are getting weaker meaning a big nerf for melee

They need to tone them down though. 50% should be the max and on something that's purpose is primarily a snare, not as a secondary effect. And those should be short. Like 2 seconds. The longer duration should match major and minor expedition in strength and duration.

These 70% snares like I have on my magblade are over the top.

Snares are a tough thing to please everyone with. As a magblade I feel I get the best of both worlds. I have cripple and and lotus, and when I play meele the snares help me land attacks and I love rhem. But what almost always kills me? Being snared to oblivion and steamrolled by the group I couldn't cloak or run from because the massive snares.

I have resorted to running mist form or a 2h build with forward momentum, which imo is a must for every mag class in pvp (besides sorc they have streak to create a gape)

PPlus I think we need to have a talk with zos about how to word things. Immov pots say "immune to knock backs and disabling effects" how in the hell, like really zos logic, how....in.....the....hell is a snare not a disabling effect. I think 70% reduction to movement sped is pretty disabling

SugaComa

They need to remove snares from gap closers

Snares should be a skill of their own so you have to use it as part of your play

Currently every skill has a snare attached to it to help bad players connect hits

Brutusmax1mus

Stop making stupid posts about removing things you can't figure out how to deal with.