Salty People - how are we supposed/allowed to kill you?

Datthaw

Best thing to say to people who send rage tells "no sex is bad for your health, glad to see you're getting all that salt out"

Stratforge

Datthaw wrote: »

Best thing to say to people who send rage tells "no sex is bad for your health, glad to see you're getting all that salt out"

That would probably get you a comm-ban on Xbox Live. Speaking as someone currently comm-banned

Haquor

You get all your mates... your entire zerg and you zerg that tree that he is running circles around until he is no more.

Then you tbag his body and send him a message and say something like "you suck. I started pvp today and i 1v1 you no poblem"

Its important you immediately tbag him after he dies. That way you light the spark of rage asap and your incoming message will hit the spot just right.

And when they challeng you to 1v1 you agree and then have your friends in stealth follow you at distance to the agreed location and then zerg him again. Then repeat the taunts.

Thats how you kill them.

LickingHistSap

I prescribe to the ‘don’t be an *** and kill people who are doing quests in towns or talking to NPCs’ rule, since that’s just a *** thing to do.

I’d even go so far as to say not to attack people who are just exploring the map.

Raudgrani

LickingHistSap wrote: »

I prescribe to the ‘don’t be an *** and kill people who are doing quests in towns or talking to NPCs’ rule, since that’s just a *** thing to do.

I’d even go so far as to say not to attack people who are just exploring the map.

Thing is, those guys never complain. It's always the "top boys" who do, the ones that are pretty good, and have some sort of big ego etc.

Like the other day, I was riding from Farragut towards Chalman or whatever, and came to a spot where a nasty AD sorcerer was fighting an EP stamplar. I recognize the EP guy, he is ok - but not able to bring down this sorc himself. I stop to watch, and try and kill the sorc if he killed my ally. I waited like 3 minutes, when I started to see "Chal ua FD, AD zerg" stuff in zone chat - and I decided to wrap things up and go to Chalman. So I basically gave the sorc my worst and killed him in the blink of an eye (even I was impressed! LOL).

Seconds later I get a message - of course. Something along the lines "U xv1ed me, ur ***". I simply replied "So sorry, but I gave you a chance with lots of time, and I don't leave an ally behind - or enemies alive during a nearby siege. Have a nice day good sir" hahaha.... His followup was like "Gave me a chance? You dropped your ulti and feared me while I was fighting!?", I never replied to that.

I got whispered by my ally too, like "Thank you. You wouldn't believe the number of people who rode past us and didn't help...".

NyassaV

Raudgrani wrote: »

LickingHistSap wrote: »

I prescribe to the ‘don’t be an *** and kill people who are doing quests in towns or talking to NPCs’ rule, since that’s just a *** thing to do.

I’d even go so far as to say not to attack people who are just exploring the map.

Thing is, those guys never complain. It's always the "top boys" who do, the ones that are pretty good, and have some sort of big ego etc.

Like the other day, I was riding from Farragut towards Chalman or whatever, and came to a spot where a nasty AD sorcerer was fighting an EP stamplar. I recognize the EP guy, he is ok - but not able to bring down this sorc himself. I stop to watch, and try and kill the sorc if he killed my ally. I waited like 3 minutes, when I started to see "Chal ua FD, AD zerg" stuff in zone chat - and I decided to wrap things up and go to Chalman. So I basically gave the sorc my worst and killed him in the blink of an eye (even I was impressed! LOL).

Seconds later I get a message - of course. Something along the lines "U xv1ed me, ur ***". I simply replied "So sorry, but I gave you a chance with lots of time, and I don't leave an ally behind - or enemies alive during a nearby siege. Have a nice day good sir" hahaha.... His followup was like "Gave me a chance? You dropped your ulti and feared me while I was fighting!?", I never replied to that.

I got whispered by my ally too, like "Thank you. You wouldn't believe the number of people who rode past us and didn't help...".

It's not always Ego. Sometimes it's just hard to find a good time and then you ruin it

Luthid

I'm not what most people would consider "good" in pvp, but as a heavy armoured Templar, my presence alone seems to raise the sodium levels of some people.

The only damage ability I haven't had people get angry about is light and heavy attacks. Never heard one negative comment for hitting people with my staff or sword.

I know that the "not OK" list includes: Soul Assault, Dawnbreaker, EotS, Dark Flare, Sweeps, Jesus beam, Javelin, healing with BoL, and wearing Valkyn.

Raudgrani

Hollery wrote: »

Raudgrani wrote: »

LickingHistSap wrote: »

I prescribe to the ‘don’t be an *** and kill people who are doing quests in towns or talking to NPCs’ rule, since that’s just a *** thing to do.

I’d even go so far as to say not to attack people who are just exploring the map.

Thing is, those guys never complain. It's always the "top boys" who do, the ones that are pretty good, and have some sort of big ego etc.

Like the other day, I was riding from Farragut towards Chalman or whatever, and came to a spot where a nasty AD sorcerer was fighting an EP stamplar. I recognize the EP guy, he is ok - but not able to bring down this sorc himself. I stop to watch, and try and kill the sorc if he killed my ally. I waited like 3 minutes, when I started to see "Chal ua FD, AD zerg" stuff in zone chat - and I decided to wrap things up and go to Chalman. So I basically gave the sorc my worst and killed him in the blink of an eye (even I was impressed! LOL).

Seconds later I get a message - of course. Something along the lines "U xv1ed me, ur ***". I simply replied "So sorry, but I gave you a chance with lots of time, and I don't leave an ally behind - or enemies alive during a nearby siege. Have a nice day good sir" hahaha.... His followup was like "Gave me a chance? You dropped your ulti and feared me while I was fighting!?", I never replied to that.

I got whispered by my ally too, like "Thank you. You wouldn't believe the number of people who rode past us and didn't help...".

It's not always Ego. Sometimes it's just hard to find a good time and then you ruin it

That's like scary for real, and I don't know in which of several ways is the worst. There indeed seem to be a lot of people around thinking it's simply their right to move around as they wish, killing everyone uninterrupted.

VaranisArano

Raudgrani wrote: »

Hollery wrote: »

Raudgrani wrote: »

LickingHistSap wrote: »

I prescribe to the ‘don’t be an *** and kill people who are doing quests in towns or talking to NPCs’ rule, since that’s just a *** thing to do.

I’d even go so far as to say not to attack people who are just exploring the map.

Thing is, those guys never complain. It's always the "top boys" who do, the ones that are pretty good, and have some sort of big ego etc.

Like the other day, I was riding from Farragut towards Chalman or whatever, and came to a spot where a nasty AD sorcerer was fighting an EP stamplar. I recognize the EP guy, he is ok - but not able to bring down this sorc himself. I stop to watch, and try and kill the sorc if he killed my ally. I waited like 3 minutes, when I started to see "Chal ua FD, AD zerg" stuff in zone chat - and I decided to wrap things up and go to Chalman. So I basically gave the sorc my worst and killed him in the blink of an eye (even I was impressed! LOL).

Seconds later I get a message - of course. Something along the lines "U xv1ed me, ur ***". I simply replied "So sorry, but I gave you a chance with lots of time, and I don't leave an ally behind - or enemies alive during a nearby siege. Have a nice day good sir" hahaha.... His followup was like "Gave me a chance? You dropped your ulti and feared me while I was fighting!?", I never replied to that.

I got whispered by my ally too, like "Thank you. You wouldn't believe the number of people who rode past us and didn't help...".

It's not always Ego. Sometimes it's just hard to find a good time and then you ruin it

That's like scary for real, and I don't know in which of several ways is the worst. There indeed seem to be a lot of people around thinking it's simply their right to move around as they wish, killing everyone uninterrupted.

Well...it is Player vs Player.

NyassaV

VaranisArano wrote: »

Raudgrani wrote: »

Hollery wrote: »

Raudgrani wrote: »

LickingHistSap wrote: »

I prescribe to the ‘don’t be an *** and kill people who are doing quests in towns or talking to NPCs’ rule, since that’s just a *** thing to do.

I’d even go so far as to say not to attack people who are just exploring the map.

Thing is, those guys never complain. It's always the "top boys" who do, the ones that are pretty good, and have some sort of big ego etc.

Like the other day, I was riding from Farragut towards Chalman or whatever, and came to a spot where a nasty AD sorcerer was fighting an EP stamplar. I recognize the EP guy, he is ok - but not able to bring down this sorc himself. I stop to watch, and try and kill the sorc if he killed my ally. I waited like 3 minutes, when I started to see "Chal ua FD, AD zerg" stuff in zone chat - and I decided to wrap things up and go to Chalman. So I basically gave the sorc my worst and killed him in the blink of an eye (even I was impressed! LOL).

Seconds later I get a message - of course. Something along the lines "U xv1ed me, ur ***". I simply replied "So sorry, but I gave you a chance with lots of time, and I don't leave an ally behind - or enemies alive during a nearby siege. Have a nice day good sir" hahaha.... His followup was like "Gave me a chance? You dropped your ulti and feared me while I was fighting!?", I never replied to that.

I got whispered by my ally too, like "Thank you. You wouldn't believe the number of people who rode past us and didn't help...".

It's not always Ego. Sometimes it's just hard to find a good time and then you ruin it

That's like scary for real, and I don't know in which of several ways is the worst. There indeed seem to be a lot of people around thinking it's simply their right to move around as they wish, killing everyone uninterrupted.

Well...it is Player vs Player.

Not fuster cluck vs fuster cluck. It's not that they want to go around picking people off without being interrupted it's that they want a fun fight. Sometimes that includes that one person fighting 2 people.

Raudgrani

VaranisArano wrote: »

Raudgrani wrote: »

Hollery wrote: »

Raudgrani wrote: »

LickingHistSap wrote: »

I prescribe to the ‘don’t be an *** and kill people who are doing quests in towns or talking to NPCs’ rule, since that’s just a *** thing to do.

I’d even go so far as to say not to attack people who are just exploring the map.

Thing is, those guys never complain. It's always the "top boys" who do, the ones that are pretty good, and have some sort of big ego etc.

Like the other day, I was riding from Farragut towards Chalman or whatever, and came to a spot where a nasty AD sorcerer was fighting an EP stamplar. I recognize the EP guy, he is ok - but not able to bring down this sorc himself. I stop to watch, and try and kill the sorc if he killed my ally. I waited like 3 minutes, when I started to see "Chal ua FD, AD zerg" stuff in zone chat - and I decided to wrap things up and go to Chalman. So I basically gave the sorc my worst and killed him in the blink of an eye (even I was impressed! LOL).

Seconds later I get a message - of course. Something along the lines "U xv1ed me, ur ***". I simply replied "So sorry, but I gave you a chance with lots of time, and I don't leave an ally behind - or enemies alive during a nearby siege. Have a nice day good sir" hahaha.... His followup was like "Gave me a chance? You dropped your ulti and feared me while I was fighting!?", I never replied to that.

I got whispered by my ally too, like "Thank you. You wouldn't believe the number of people who rode past us and didn't help...".

It's not always Ego. Sometimes it's just hard to find a good time and then you ruin it

That's like scary for real, and I don't know in which of several ways is the worst. There indeed seem to be a lot of people around thinking it's simply their right to move around as they wish, killing everyone uninterrupted.

Well...it is Player vs Player.

Yes, but not exactly, but nearly. It's Alliance vs Alliance. If you wear the wrong colors, I will try to kill you. Of course, I'm not a barbarian savage in real life, so I ain't in the game either. I have some manners, but war is still war. :-)

Player vs Player is what you do outside Mournhold etc., or maybe if you go with some groups to Battlegrounds. But you can't expect people to follow PVP rules in a AVA area.

Furthermore, how people behave in this game often (but maybe not always) reflects how they are in real life. I'm the kind of guy who gladly help an out numbered enemy against an other enemy, it's exciting to wait and see if they will attack you next - or fire off some emote and/or just leave.

BroanBeast1215

Raudgrani wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Raudgrani wrote: »

Hollery wrote: »

Raudgrani wrote: »

LickingHistSap wrote: »

I prescribe to the ‘don’t be an *** and kill people who are doing quests in towns or talking to NPCs’ rule, since that’s just a *** thing to do.

I’d even go so far as to say not to attack people who are just exploring the map.

Thing is, those guys never complain. It's always the "top boys" who do, the ones that are pretty good, and have some sort of big ego etc.

Like the other day, I was riding from Farragut towards Chalman or whatever, and came to a spot where a nasty AD sorcerer was fighting an EP stamplar. I recognize the EP guy, he is ok - but not able to bring down this sorc himself. I stop to watch, and try and kill the sorc if he killed my ally. I waited like 3 minutes, when I started to see "Chal ua FD, AD zerg" stuff in zone chat - and I decided to wrap things up and go to Chalman. So I basically gave the sorc my worst and killed him in the blink of an eye (even I was impressed! LOL).

Seconds later I get a message - of course. Something along the lines "U xv1ed me, ur ***". I simply replied "So sorry, but I gave you a chance with lots of time, and I don't leave an ally behind - or enemies alive during a nearby siege. Have a nice day good sir" hahaha.... His followup was like "Gave me a chance? You dropped your ulti and feared me while I was fighting!?", I never replied to that.

I got whispered by my ally too, like "Thank you. You wouldn't believe the number of people who rode past us and didn't help...".

It's not always Ego. Sometimes it's just hard to find a good time and then you ruin it

That's like scary for real, and I don't know in which of several ways is the worst. There indeed seem to be a lot of people around thinking it's simply their right to move around as they wish, killing everyone uninterrupted.

Well...it is Player vs Player.

Yes, but not exactly, but nearly. It's Alliance vs Alliance. If you wear the wrong colors, I will try to kill you. Of course, I'm not a barbarian savage in real life, so I ain't in the game either. I have some manners, but war is still war. :-)

Player vs Player is what you do outside Mournhold etc., or maybe if you go with some groups to Battlegrounds. But you can't expect people to follow PVP rules in a AVA area.

Furthermore, how people behave in this game often (but maybe not always) reflects how they are in real life. I'm the kind of guy who gladly help an out numbered enemy against an other enemy, it's exciting to wait and see if they will attack you next - or fire off some emote and/or just leave.

/facepalm


PvP is anything that is two players fighting one another. its not limited to outside cyrodiil unless you go to cyro to only fight scripted AI mobs.

Rickter

Im surprised this discussion is still occurring.

Guys, to answer the OP and have insight into this type of topic, it comes down to personal reflection.

For the solo player raging that they got zerged: that rage is a sign of immaturity. You knowingly decided to small scale/solo. Something you have to accept is the possibility of being outnumbered and zerged. Own it. You either 1vX or you dont. emphasis on "1".

For the groups that zerg solo players: that zerging is a sign of no confidence in yourself and no honor. You know you cant beat a player on their terms so you send in overwhelming odds to even the odds. additionally, if you see one player and you have 6+ in your group - let em go! dog piling a player with 6 or more people isnt honorable. it shouldnt be fun. thats a hollow victory.

TL;DR: dont zerg solo players. solo players, accept your odds and dont rage.

Raudgrani

BroanBeast1215 wrote: »

Raudgrani wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Raudgrani wrote: »

Hollery wrote: »

Raudgrani wrote: »

LickingHistSap wrote: »

I prescribe to the ‘don’t be an *** and kill people who are doing quests in towns or talking to NPCs’ rule, since that’s just a *** thing to do.

I’d even go so far as to say not to attack people who are just exploring the map.

Thing is, those guys never complain. It's always the "top boys" who do, the ones that are pretty good, and have some sort of big ego etc.

Like the other day, I was riding from Farragut towards Chalman or whatever, and came to a spot where a nasty AD sorcerer was fighting an EP stamplar. I recognize the EP guy, he is ok - but not able to bring down this sorc himself. I stop to watch, and try and kill the sorc if he killed my ally. I waited like 3 minutes, when I started to see "Chal ua FD, AD zerg" stuff in zone chat - and I decided to wrap things up and go to Chalman. So I basically gave the sorc my worst and killed him in the blink of an eye (even I was impressed! LOL).

Seconds later I get a message - of course. Something along the lines "U xv1ed me, ur ***". I simply replied "So sorry, but I gave you a chance with lots of time, and I don't leave an ally behind - or enemies alive during a nearby siege. Have a nice day good sir" hahaha.... His followup was like "Gave me a chance? You dropped your ulti and feared me while I was fighting!?", I never replied to that.

I got whispered by my ally too, like "Thank you. You wouldn't believe the number of people who rode past us and didn't help...".

It's not always Ego. Sometimes it's just hard to find a good time and then you ruin it

That's like scary for real, and I don't know in which of several ways is the worst. There indeed seem to be a lot of people around thinking it's simply their right to move around as they wish, killing everyone uninterrupted.

Well...it is Player vs Player.

Yes, but not exactly, but nearly. It's Alliance vs Alliance. If you wear the wrong colors, I will try to kill you. Of course, I'm not a barbarian savage in real life, so I ain't in the game either. I have some manners, but war is still war. :-)

Player vs Player is what you do outside Mournhold etc., or maybe if you go with some groups to Battlegrounds. But you can't expect people to follow PVP rules in a AVA area.

Furthermore, how people behave in this game often (but maybe not always) reflects how they are in real life. I'm the kind of guy who gladly help an out numbered enemy against an other enemy, it's exciting to wait and see if they will attack you next - or fire off some emote and/or just leave.

/facepalm


PvP is anything that is two players fighting one another. its not limited to outside cyrodiil unless you go to cyro to only fight scripted AI mobs.

Facepalm all you want. Fact still remains. Yes, it's true the wide definition of "PVP" is "Player versus Player", but more specifically Cyrodiil is defined as AVA, "Alliance versus Alliance". The fact that so many people poop their pants and get aspie outbreaks over Xbox Live, proves quite some people didn't catch that last part, which ZOS uses: AVA.

DoctorESO

rivenjr wrote: »

There are things in life that require SKILL. Video games are not one of those things.

It does require things like reaction time, quick thinking, understanding mechanics, etc.

DoctorESO

Datthaw wrote: »

Best thing to say to people who send rage tells "no sex is bad for your health, glad to see you're getting all that salt out"

I say no need to stoop to their level. They aren't worth the time anyway. I have a game to play

DoctorESO

Haquor wrote: »

You get all your mates... your entire zerg and you zerg that tree that he is running circles around until he is no more.

Then you tbag his body and send him a message and say something like "you suck. I started pvp today and i 1v1 you no poblem"

Its important you immediately tbag him after he dies. That way you light the spark of rage asap and your incoming message will hit the spot just right.

And when they challeng you to 1v1 you agree and then have your friends in stealth follow you at distance to the agreed location and then zerg him again. Then repeat the taunts.

Thats how you kill them.

People don't even see the "tea bag" if they have the death recap screen up.

Feanor

His followup was like "Gave me a chance? You dropped your ulti and feared me while I was fighting!?", I never replied to that.

@Raudgrani

If you really did there is nothing to be proud of. I never interfere if I see that it’s a legit 1v1 and not just a coincidence.

A_G_G_R_O

Rickter with the logic

zyk

Rickter wrote: »

For the solo player raging that they got zerged: that rage is a sign of immaturity. You knowingly decided to small scale/solo. Something you have to accept is the possibility of being outnumbered and zerged. Own it. You either 1vX or you dont. emphasis on "1".

100% true.

Rickter wrote: »

For the groups that zerg solo players: that zerging is a sign of no confidence in yourself and no honor. You know you cant beat a player on their terms so you send in overwhelming odds to even the odds. additionally, if you see one player and you have 6+ in your group - let em go! dog piling a player with 6 or more people isnt honorable. it shouldnt be fun. thats a hollow victory.

It need not have anything to do with honor or confidence. To many players, Cyrodiil is a war and the general rule is that all opponents should be eliminated ASAP. A team player will not want to leave his less experienced teammates to the wolves if they feel they can help, regardless of numbers.

A truly independent-minded player should own all of their decisions and blame themselves when they bite off more than they can chew. The expectation should be that all opponents will try to kill you. The same is true of groups, but it is especially true for the solo player who answers to no one else and therefore owns all their choices completely.

Really, the true issue is that a lot of players have trouble accepting defeat. Some immediately shift blame for their death instead of objectively analyzing the fight and considering what they can do to improve.

I don't want to sound too preachy because it can happen to anyone and I've definitely been irrationally salty and gone excuse hunting before. I think one of the most important aspects of sports and games is teaching us how to handle losing and channeling that energy in a more productive way -- which is, IMO, part of the path to winning.

Luthid

These arguments against chasing down solo players near combat are absurd.

Too many times I've been burned by that "solo player" who was actually a scout or a camp dropper for a large group. Many times I've chased that "solo player" to get ambushed by his group.

If I see you near a blue keep, I'm going after you. If 10-20 fellow DC come with me, so be it. Your own fault for getting caught out.

Raudgrani

Feanor wrote: »

His followup was like "Gave me a chance? You dropped your ulti and feared me while I was fighting!?", I never replied to that.

@Raudgrani

If you really did there is nothing to be proud of. I never interfere if I see that it’s a legit 1v1 and not just a coincidence.

I put the scoreboard of the campaign far above some sort of ego oriented duelist code of honor. Had I been an average zerger looking for easy kills, I would have attacked him immediately. Explain to me why I would leave one of the better players in an enemy alliance alive, especially during a siege on my side of the map.

This needs to be clarified, and it seems it can't be said too many times: If you seek "1v1" or duels, go to a common dueling spot. With all the lag and stuff, I can't imagine why anyone would like to go to Cyrodiil of all places to get a fair fight? That's a warzone, and MANY of the people there doesn't look for ten minute duels, but play objective like I do.

Feanor

The scoreboard of the campaign is meaningless. Xv1 is just not my thing.

SirCritical

With permablocking birdspammer Wardens, using Zaan and Forest.

Raudgrani

Feanor wrote: »

The scoreboard of the campaign is meaningless. Xv1 is just not my thing.

I respect your right to an opinion. ;-)

Sandman929

Rickter wrote: »

Im surprised this discussion is still occurring.

Guys, to answer the OP and have insight into this type of topic, it comes down to personal reflection.

For the solo player raging that they got zerged: that rage is a sign of immaturity. You knowingly decided to small scale/solo. Something you have to accept is the possibility of being outnumbered and zerged. Own it. You either 1vX or you dont. emphasis on "1".

For the groups that zerg solo players: that zerging is a sign of no confidence in yourself and no honor. You know you cant beat a player on their terms so you send in overwhelming odds to even the odds. additionally, if you see one player and you have 6+ in your group - let em go! dog piling a player with 6 or more people isnt honorable. it shouldnt be fun. thats a hollow victory.

TL;DR: dont zerg solo players. solo players, accept your odds and dont rage.

If I'm in a group, which I pretty much always am because I'm in a guild and we enjoy playing together, I ride right past a solo player when we come across them. "Don't chase" is pretty much understood. We're in a group and we're out looking for other groups or at least large numbers of ungrouped "solo" players.
Sometimes though...they don't make that easy. If we ride past and they decide to make themselves a problem, they've gotta go.

Thunderknuckles

OP, as much as I love PvP I am still going to say that PvP'ers tend to be some of the most macho and childish players in any kind of PvP game. Those people insulting you in whisper would zero problem whatsoever with being given a literal "One Shot I Win" button where they could send all other enemy players back to spawn with the press of a single button. They'd thrive on it and STILL call other people "n00bz".

If the situation were reversed they'd fly into a rage and uninstall. My point is...you cannot win with those types. Utterly self absorbed cry babies. Their salty tears are so succulent!

montiferus

Of course everyone should play the way they want but if you 8v1 somebody and then TB said player after they die then that says a lot about you as a player. Happens to me all the time and it never ceases to amaze me.

For me as a solo player if I see a 1v1 I ride right on by. To me thats just good sportsmanship. I had a 1v1 at a resource the other day and an opposing player watched us duke it out but did not interfere. Thought that was really cool and told him as much. He said he enjoyed watching us fight and would not think to get in the way. Nice to know there are still some classy people out there.

Feanor

montiferus wrote: »

Of course everyone should play the way they want but if you 8v1 somebody and then TB said player after they die then that says a lot about you as a player. Happens to me all the time and it never ceases to amaze me.

For me as a solo player if I see a 1v1 I ride right on by. To me thats just good sportsmanship. I had a 1v1 at a resource the other day and an opposing player watched us duke it out but did not interfere. Thought that was really cool and told him as much. He said he enjoyed watching us fight and would not think to get in the way. Nice to know there are still some classy people out there.

That’s how I see it as well, and I only ever interfere in legit 1v1 situations if I get attacked too.