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Raudgrani
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Ever since I actually started to get a few kills now and then i Cyrodiil, I have had occasional messages being called all sorts of things, or "1v1 u scrub?" etc.
I'm not the teabagger kind of guy, I rarely "corpse watch", and only when it's actually really a strategy I "zerg down" solo players (i.e. they are heading towards a crucial keep fight, or go after a scroll etc.). If someone in my group is 1vX'ed by enemies, I do snipe stack them before they kill my allies and go for me, yes I do. After all - it's supposed to be war, not a dueling tournament. I respect people who seem to be doing "their thing", I have pulled out of "helping" allies when they just stopped and started watching. I'm ok with that.

It's like as soon as you don't have time or possibility to do really thought through skill rotations, you start ti think "Oh, is this guy crying his eyes out now? Maybe I should have let him win?". This problem got way worse since I started to main a Nightblade. I really doesn't matter what you do as a NB, people are pissed off. I've had crap thrown in my direction for all kinds of kills.

Nightblades aside - all you hate messengers: What is a "legit kill"? How are we allowed to kill you before you are about to start discussions about how you are killed? It's getting tiresome, I really don't want to block messages just because some might act like this.
  • VaranisArano
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    For anyone who is going to whine about getting killed, there is no such thing as a "legit kill." Except for their own, of course.

    Its all about perspective. I roll my eyes when I get horribly killed when I'm solo and 3-4 enemies find me. Check in with me in an hour, and I'll probably have hunted down a solo player with 3-4 of my fellow EP. So I don't get salty. I've got no room to complain.

    The only kill I legitimately felt bad about was successfully sniping some poor AD noob standing completely oblivious outside of Blue Road Keep reading his map. I don't normally gank but he had no clue I was there and he was just such a tempting target!
  • SHADOW2KK
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    Just kill anyone with hostile tags and enjoy the rage, then kill them again.

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  • zyk
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    The fair thing to do is not to engage anyone until they've slapped you in the face with their glove or vice versa. It's the only legit way to play Honorable Gentlemen Online.
  • Raudgrani
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    @VaranisArano Yeah I guess you are right.
    The other day, I was in a "zerg vs zerg" clash on the hills between Chalman and Bleakers, and I died. A guy passing me by (actually a good player) tebagged me, and carried on. He didn't even touch me before I died, and I was actually a bit surprised but I never care about these things.
    An hour or so later, he suddenly appears out of nowhere, crit rushing me. I have one friend with me (who is better than both me and that other guy), he jumps in to help but I realize who this is and shout "Wait I got this!" and to defend my honor, I start fighting for all I'm worth.
    My friend just stands back, and absolutely doesn't even move. Suddenly the guy just turns and tries to run (I wasn't even clearly winning!), while we watch him leave I give him a Lethal Arrow and a Poison Injection in his back, and we laugh as we watch him die (my nasty Minor Fracture/Vulnerability/Defile poison kicked in too, and he's all shimmering blue! LOL).

    A few minutes later I get a lengthy message about how we "zerged him down", how awful-non-skill-one-button player I am and so on, saying he watched all my clips on Xbox Live and that I'm worthless. My short reply was like "I'm so sorry". ;-) I mean, how are these people in real life? I'm not having arguments with mentally ill people.

    @SHADOW2KK & @zyk that's for sure. I always target the whining bad losers to the extent that I put my life at stake. Then we always have these arch rivals, that you almost have a kind of inverted "bromance" with - who go past everyone else just to kill you. Ganking map readers and people "watching the bridge" or whatever is a must, that's the best part! LOL
  • geonsocal
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    even if you kill me in a dream - you better wake up and apologize
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  • Kartalin
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    Yep, I recently asked for the approved list of ultimates I can use on these types, still waiting for a reply.
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  • Nestor
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    Wait, you kill someone and your worried about what they think of you?


    I am waiting for that movie where the bad guy goes to the good guy who has him cornered and a gun on him, "Hey, why don't you put your gun down and we will see who is the tougher hombre with some hand to hand combat". The the good guy just shoots him and says, "I am"
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  • Vilestride
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    my understanding is that salty people only approve of the following:

    Soul assault
    Destro ult on them while they are solo
    Shield breaker
    Block tank builds

    I recommend all of these to make more people enjoy playing against you in cyrodil.

    Good luck.
  • Kartalin
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    I'm pretty sure DBoS is the approved stambro ult, but only for them to use against you, not vice versa.
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    • Karllotta, AD Magplar, AR 50
    • Hatched-In-Glacier, DC Magden, AR 44
    • Miraliys, EP Warden, AR 35
    • Kartalin, AD Stamblade, AR 35
    • Miralys, AD Magsorc, AR 35
    • Milthalas, EP Magblade, AR 35
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  • Rohamad_Ali
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    geonsocal wrote: »
    even if you kill me in a dream - you better wake up and apologize

    I can't kill people in dreams . They are all using CE .
  • dennissomb16_ESO
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    Ignore is the only reasonable option for those types of players.
  • geonsocal
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    geonsocal wrote: »
    even if you kill me in a dream - you better wake up and apologize

    I can't kill people in dreams . They are all using CE .

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  • Rainraven
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    Raudgrani wrote: »
    Ever since I actually started to get a few kills now and then i Cyrodiil, I have had occasional messages being called all sorts of things, or "1v1 u scrub?" etc.
    I'm not the teabagger kind of guy, I rarely "corpse watch", and only when it's actually really a strategy I "zerg down" solo players (i.e. they are heading towards a crucial keep fight, or go after a scroll etc.). If someone in my group is 1vX'ed by enemies, I do snipe stack them before they kill my allies and go for me, yes I do. After all - it's supposed to be war, not a dueling tournament. I respect people who seem to be doing "their thing", I have pulled out of "helping" allies when they just stopped and started watching. I'm ok with that.

    It's like as soon as you don't have time or possibility to do really thought through skill rotations, you start ti think "Oh, is this guy crying his eyes out now? Maybe I should have let him win?". This problem got way worse since I started to main a Nightblade. I really doesn't matter what you do as a NB, people are pissed off. I've had crap thrown in my direction for all kinds of kills.

    Nightblades aside - all you hate messengers: What is a "legit kill"? How are we allowed to kill you before you are about to start discussions about how you are killed? It's getting tiresome, I really don't want to block messages just because some might act like this.

    Meh. If you're putting out the effort and intention to not be a jerk, how other people feel about what you do is going to have to be their problem. It sounds like you're paying attention and listening to even unpleasant feedback enough to check yourself for inadvertent jerkness, which is above and beyond what's required of you. Good for you, seriously. Don't let the salt turn you salty too. ;)

    It doesn't necessarily have much to do with you or what you're doing, anyway. People get frustrated and snarl at each other. shrug Have fun, kill enemies, don't be a ***. All good.
  • Curragraigue
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    The approved way of killing salty people is to repeatedly kill them so they log off to cry in their pillows
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  • Cadbury
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    Nestor wrote: »


    I am waiting for that movie where the bad guy goes to the good guy who has him cornered and a gun on him, "Hey, why don't you put your gun down and we will see who is the tougher hombre with some hand to hand combat". The the good guy just shoots him and says, "I am"

    Sounds like the movie Taken. Or John Wick

    Edit: Related video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue8TvvYik74
    Edited by Cadbury on January 10, 2018 2:09AM
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  • Publius_Scipio
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    Come on guys, stop BS’ing the op here. You were never a kid and put a spoon of salt into a glass of water and watch it dissolve? The answer is water.
  • AllPlayAndNoWork
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    Vilestride wrote: »
    my understanding is that salty people only approve of the following:

    Soul assault
    Destro ult on them while they are solo
    Shield breaker
    Block tank builds

    I recommend all of these to make more people enjoy playing against you in cyrodil.

    Good luck.

    Dont forget Meteor........ ahhhhhh.......
  • Goshua
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    People are pretty passionate about the game and believe it or not strong faction/guild pride, stuff gets said in the heat of moments.
  • Slick_007
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    isnt the correct response: i wasnt trying to kill you, just get you all cut up. mission accomplished.
  • Firstmep
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    To me the kinda behaviour that irritates me is when players, run away from a fight 1v1 when separate from from their zergs, but they are the first ones to gapcloser spam, soul assault me etc, when have a full grp behind them.
    Im all for killing anything that moves, its open world pvp after all, but have the self respect/balls to fight me on your own then.
    And im talking about ppl with max cp etc, not newbs/ inexperienced players.
    So Yeah it makes me salty. I play a lot of solo, but mostly around objectives so im used to getting zerged to oblivion and back, and its part of the game, even with aoe caps removed it will be.
    I used to get a lot of salty whispers from ppl in the past when i ruined their 1vx moments, now have been playing on their side for a while, i tend to leave solo players alone, at the end of the day 9 out of 10 times they will get zerged down anyways.
    I suppose from a solo players standpoint what makes me the saltiest, is knowing that there are certain ppl who you will never find out there on their own, but will always spend 5 10 minutes chasing you around cyro, even with no objectives in sight.
    To this day i remember when i first encountered a certain khajiit dk, outside of his usual zerg and after quickly dispatching him without mercy i passionately showed him my affection, with a some losing bags.
    At the end of the day Cyrodiil accomodates many different ppl and playstyle, Thats one of the reason i play this game!
  • Qbiken
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    Kill anyone you want, don´t teabag and if you still get ragewhispers, send them a <3 and stop messaging them.
  • Emma_Overload
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    Don't use Shield Breaker.
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  • Raudgrani
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    Rainraven wrote: »
    Raudgrani wrote: »
    Ever since I actually started to get a few kills now and then i Cyrodiil, I have had occasional messages being called all sorts of things, or "1v1 u scrub?" etc.
    I'm not the teabagger kind of guy, I rarely "corpse watch", and only when it's actually really a strategy I "zerg down" solo players (i.e. they are heading towards a crucial keep fight, or go after a scroll etc.). If someone in my group is 1vX'ed by enemies, I do snipe stack them before they kill my allies and go for me, yes I do. After all - it's supposed to be war, not a dueling tournament. I respect people who seem to be doing "their thing", I have pulled out of "helping" allies when they just stopped and started watching. I'm ok with that.

    It's like as soon as you don't have time or possibility to do really thought through skill rotations, you start ti think "Oh, is this guy crying his eyes out now? Maybe I should have let him win?". This problem got way worse since I started to main a Nightblade. I really doesn't matter what you do as a NB, people are pissed off. I've had crap thrown in my direction for all kinds of kills.

    Nightblades aside - all you hate messengers: What is a "legit kill"? How are we allowed to kill you before you are about to start discussions about how you are killed? It's getting tiresome, I really don't want to block messages just because some might act like this.

    Meh. If you're putting out the effort and intention to not be a jerk, how other people feel about what you do is going to have to be their problem. It sounds like you're paying attention and listening to even unpleasant feedback enough to check yourself for inadvertent jerkness, which is above and beyond what's required of you. Good for you, seriously. Don't let the salt turn you salty too. ;)

    It doesn't necessarily have much to do with you or what you're doing, anyway. People get frustrated and snarl at each other. shrug Have fun, kill enemies, don't be a ***. All good.

    You are probably right. I've been into enough conflicts in the ugly real world, to have become sort of a mental wreck I guess!

    Hahaha... In a way, I take messages from upset people as a sort of positive feedback no matter what they write. I know I'm not guilty of a "one-button-build", a cancerous Youtube-permablock-eternal-resource build or anything like that. So if I manage to make them upset, I guess it's all good.
    A year of playing this game, and not even once have I ever even thought once about actually writing someone to complain. On the contrary, I have written a few guys giving them my compliments about their skills. I guess it takes a special kind of crybaby to actually do that.
  • Raudgrani
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    Don't use Shield Breaker.

    I don't. I thought of making a special "witch hunter" build once (i.e. specifically for killing sorcs), using Nikulas (from Blessed Crucible), Shieldbreaker and so on. So I have all the gear. But I have no vacant templar or dragonknight to pull that off with. ;-)
  • Quantum_V
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  • kylewwefan
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    I don’t get kills by myself very often cause git güd has evaded me. But when I do, it’s emote and strong push up time baby.
  • lao
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    Raudgrani wrote: »
    Ever since I actually started to get a few kills now and then i Cyrodiil, I have had occasional messages being called all sorts of things, or "1v1 u scrub?" etc.
    I'm not the teabagger kind of guy, I rarely "corpse watch", and only when it's actually really a strategy I "zerg down" solo players (i.e. they are heading towards a crucial keep fight, or go after a scroll etc.). If someone in my group is 1vX'ed by enemies, I do snipe stack them before they kill my allies and go for me, yes I do. After all - it's supposed to be war, not a dueling tournament. I respect people who seem to be doing "their thing", I have pulled out of "helping" allies when they just stopped and started watching. I'm ok with that.

    It's like as soon as you don't have time or possibility to do really thought through skill rotations, you start ti think "Oh, is this guy crying his eyes out now? Maybe I should have let him win?". This problem got way worse since I started to main a Nightblade. I really doesn't matter what you do as a NB, people are pissed off. I've had crap thrown in my direction for all kinds of kills.

    Nightblades aside - all you hate messengers: What is a "legit kill"? How are we allowed to kill you before you are about to start discussions about how you are killed? It's getting tiresome, I really don't want to block messages just because some might act like this.

    fundamental rules:
    1) never group with the plebs
    2) never run with the plebs

    code of honor:
    1) never under any circumstances add on an ongoing fight unless its some giant [Snip]. in that case its just a ton of awful idiots and none of them deserves any AP so you may aswell leech as much as you can. a true pvper will however just watch and shake his head and laugh about how easily these simple minded insects are entertained.

    2) when engaging an opponent 1v1 try not to gank him off a horse unless the peasent is trying to flee. cowards dont deserve to be treated with honor so slaughter them by any means nessecary.

    3) when fighting an opponent 1v1 and an ally adds on the fight immediately pull out and hope for your opponent to kill the peasent. incase of success teabag your ally till he releases. same goes for when another opponent adds on the fight. in case your opponent pulls off and you kill the adder teabag him till he releases. if your initial opponent doesnt pull off and you manage to kill them both, teabag both till they release.

    4) incase you see 2 enemies fighting, watch the fight and give the winner time to regen before you attack. from there normal code of honor applies.

    this is the code of honor that has been passed through generations by true open world elite pvpers since the early days of DAoC. anyone known to not following the code is scum and needs to die at any occasion possible. its the law and whoever breaks it shall be marked on the wall of shame for eternety.

    [Edit for profanity]
    Edited by [Deleted User] on January 10, 2018 6:31PM
  • Raudgrani
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    lao wrote: »
    Raudgrani wrote: »
    Ever since I actually started to get a few kills now and then i Cyrodiil, I have had occasional messages being called all sorts of things, or "1v1 u scrub?" etc.
    I'm not the teabagger kind of guy, I rarely "corpse watch", and only when it's actually really a strategy I "zerg down" solo players (i.e. they are heading towards a crucial keep fight, or go after a scroll etc.). If someone in my group is 1vX'ed by enemies, I do snipe stack them before they kill my allies and go for me, yes I do. After all - it's supposed to be war, not a dueling tournament. I respect people who seem to be doing "their thing", I have pulled out of "helping" allies when they just stopped and started watching. I'm ok with that.

    It's like as soon as you don't have time or possibility to do really thought through skill rotations, you start ti think "Oh, is this guy crying his eyes out now? Maybe I should have let him win?". This problem got way worse since I started to main a Nightblade. I really doesn't matter what you do as a NB, people are pissed off. I've had crap thrown in my direction for all kinds of kills.

    Nightblades aside - all you hate messengers: What is a "legit kill"? How are we allowed to kill you before you are about to start discussions about how you are killed? It's getting tiresome, I really don't want to block messages just because some might act like this.

    fundamental rules:
    1) never group with the plebs
    2) never run with the plebs

    code of honor:
    1) never under any circumstances add on an ongoing fight unless its some giant [Snip]. in that case its just a ton of awful idiots and none of them deserves any AP so you may aswell leech as much as you can. a true pvper will however just watch and shake his head and laugh about how easily these simple minded insects are entertained.

    2) when engaging an opponent 1v1 try not to gank him off a horse unless the peasent is trying to flee. cowards dont deserve to be treated with honor so slaughter them by any means nessecary.

    3) when fighting an opponent 1v1 and an ally adds on the fight immediately pull out and hope for your opponent to kill the peasent. incase of success teabag your ally till he releases. same goes for when another opponent adds on the fight. in case your opponent pulls off and you kill the adder teabag him till he releases. if your initial opponent doesnt pull off and you manage to kill them both, teabag both till they release.

    4) incase you see 2 enemies fighting, watch the fight and give the winner time to regen before you attack. from there normal code of honor applies.

    this is the code of honor that has been passed through generations by true open world elite pvpers since the early days of DAoC. anyone known to not following the code is scum and needs to die at any occasion possible. its the law and whoever breaks it shall be marked on the wall of shame for eternety.

    Basically good points, really. But very few to none follow any of these. Sure there are a few good enemies, that have given me some brief respite before attacking me - but oh, those are few. Really, really few. It's more of a lynching attitude around Cyrodiil, at least in Xbox EU/Vivec. I did participate more in that lynch mob thing earlier, but I do way less now. If I'm pissed off, maybe.

    As for #3, if the game was only about killing people, sure thing. But like when I played yesterday, me and another guy (random, actually) went to flag and start siege on Alessia. While we siege, some annoying DK appears and starts to attack my ally. I see him struggle, and I abandon my siege for a few seconds and finish him off quickly with Heavy Attack/Surprise Attack/Executioner - yes, out of stealth, and from behind! LOL
    Then, back to siege. I'm not risking the capture of a siege, because of some "1v1 code of honor". If he's stupid enough to engage two guys on siege, he should be prepared to go down.

    Thing is, this lynching attitude is in the backbones of people. I have had the "pleasure" to witness it some several times in real life too. I just can't see why some certain people get so upset by it, I mean - people who really are acting nasty, they probably need to shut their message availability off? I'm pretty nice and civil compared to a LARGE number of people out there, at least I'm told so by many.
    Edited by [Deleted User] on January 10, 2018 6:33PM
  • montiferus
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    Raudgrani wrote: »
    If someone in my group is 1vX'ed by enemies, I do snipe stack them before they kill my allies and go for me, yes I do. .

    This is probably where the salt comes from. I've seen a few death recaps in my 1vXs where there is a lethal arrow or 5 from someone(s) in the back spamming snipe. It is annoying. I don't bother sending hate tells though to those people. It is a waste of time conversing with people like that.
  • zyk
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    If someone wants to play by a set of rules they and their friends have devised, that's their prerogative. But that doesn't mean it's cool to be toxic towards people who don't adhere to their subculture.

    To me, AvA isn't Streetfighter Online or Highlander Online. To me, it's a team and objective based game with dynamic elements of strategy and tactics. I enjoy fighting for objectives. I used to be into First Person Shooters, but I never played Deathmatch modes. I was never into Streetfighter games. I only enjoy team and objective based PVP games. Even if objective play is broken in ESO, I still play according to objectives because that's what I enjoy. Even when I play completely solo, I am usually trying to make a difference for my team. I'm speaking generally - I actually do a bit of everything in eso and enjoy impromptu1v1 encounters.

    To me, all members of my faction are my teammates. The goal is to win each fight regardless of other factors. It's against my values to let a very good player or group 1vX/farm my less experienced/capable teammates without helping them. I play all styles, so sometimes I'm on the other side of that. When I get zerged down or Xv1'd by decent players, I'm 100% fine with it because I put myself in that position.

    Further, players create builds to accommodate the roles they want to perform. Those roles may not include open world 1v1; at least not against all builds. Don't expect others to take your bait for an honorable 1v1 away from the fight when that's not why they're in Cyrodiil and/or may not be built for that fight.
    Edited by zyk on January 10, 2018 7:24PM
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